James Buchanan was 65 years old and won.
John Adams was 65 years old and lost his re-election attempt
Dwight D. Eisenhower was 66 years old when he won re-election.
Lewis Cass was 66 years old when he ran in 1848.
Mitt Romney was 66 years old.
Henry Clay was 67 years old when he ran in 1844.
George H. W. Bush was 68 years old when he ran and lost in 1992.
Ronald Reagan\twas 69 years old when he ran and won.
John McCain was 72 years old when he ran in 2008,
Bob Dole was 73 when he ran in 1996.
Ron Paul was 78 years old when he ran in 2012.
Since the average life expectancy of a woman is 86, Hillary should be just fine. Oh, and by the way (G)OP troll she will be 67 in 2014, not 70.
OP, It depends in part on Hillary's perceived physical health which would be very closely scrutinized. If she had a younger, vibrant, running mate, that many secretly wanted as president, that would also make a big difference.
Everyone knows that it's the people behind the scenes that really run the country. Close focus would be on Hillary's choices.
I would strongly suggest an upscale image makeover for Hillary, however, despite her possible objections. It should be test marketed to Independent voters, in particular.
I don't think her being being postmenopausal is going to be a major problem, but she will probably need to shed a lot weight if she wants to be taken seriously.
Post menopausal is WAY better than the ups & downs of cycle.
Hillary needs to get healthy. She needs to get on an exercise and diet regimen, and take vitamins. She needs to get a decent amount of rest every damned day. And she ought to get her face "refreshed". I'm talking about a very mild touch up, nothing drastic.
She'll need to demonstrate agility and stamina as well as her intellectual prowess. If Chelsea gets pregnant and has a kid, I think Hillary will not run. There. I've said it. I don't think she's too old. I mean, age is nothing but a number. It's how she projects. If she acts and looks younger, and if her mind is not only sharp but she remains intellectually curious and open to ideas, then she will be fine.
But I suspect she may have some health issues and she may also truly want to spend some time with her family, or at least carve out a different public role.
My 71 year old mother has more energy and vim than my brother and me combined. She plays vigorous rounds of golf and tennis four times a week, babysits my brother's two very active kids twice a week (and plays hard with them, kicking balls around etc!), volunteers at an op-shop twice a week, cooks great meals from scratch, reads voraciously, and still has a lot left in the tank at the end of each day.
R18, my mom is dead. Thanks for the insensitivity, Jerko.
So is mine, R19 -- that doesn't mean that other people aren't allowed to have healthy mothers & talk about them. Good for her, R18, hope you turn out as well as she has.
Elizabeth "Fauxcahontas" Warren has a snowball's chance in hell of winning the general election.
R18, huh? I was merely countering the OP's assertion by giving my mother as an example of old people with high energy. My implication was that age alone can't be the basis for gauging fitness or unfitness.
and it is all about you r19, isn't it?
R17, before you lay out Hillary's life for her, take a refresher hour and read Strunk and White and place your commas INSIDE the quotations where they belong, so you dont look like such a self-agrandizing moron....mmmmm-KKK?
For some reason I have a feeling Hillary's bid will be a failure. She seems kind of cursed in this area, like something always goes wrong. Sort of like the Susan Lucci of presidential politics.
I'd bet she doesn't even get the nomination.
Not only will she get the nomination if she wants it, she will win. The Republicans will field the weakest, most imbecilic candidate they can come up with. This will take time because they have so many to chose from. All her potential opponents from either party will stand down.
This is something she has earned. it is something she deserves. I will never forget my dying mother's disappointment when she lost the nomination to Barry. We all supported Barry, but mother left here grieving for Hillary.
[quote]I will never forget my dying mother's disappointment when she lost the nomination to Barry. We all supported Barry, but mother left here grieving for Hillary.
a very heartless "MARY!!"
The Pubbies will let her win. They're intent on a bigger percentage in the House and getting the Senate away from the Dems.
Sorry, meant to write R19.
I don't think she's too old, but she needs to find some new, younger faces to lead her campaign, instead of relying the usual cast of Clinton stalwarts. Apparently, James Carville and Harold Ickes are helping spearhead the Ready for Hillary Super PAC, so it looks like it'll be all the same old tired faces again. She also needs a fresh message. If her core message is "It's my turn, I deserve it," then she'll almost certainly lose.
The only thing that can hinder Hillary are those concussion eyeglasses.
She is sharp as a tack and tough as steel. Just keep Bill busy with a stack of crossword puzzles during the election and she wins handily!
I have stories
I honestly cannot think of a more prepared person to be president. First Wife to Senator to Secretary of Defence....she knows better than most how the White House works, how Washington works, she has respect abroad. She should pair off with someone like Julian Castro, someone younger, fresher to federal politics, and like her, someone who will mark a new era in America.
Damn Barack Obama. I wanted Hillary in 2008 and even in 2012. Obama could have run in 2016. It still pisses me off.
thank you R36! silly error on my part, it's late :)
Howard Dean is only a year younger than she is.
We need someone really younger, like 40.
Hillary isn't nearly as controversial as she was in the past, primarily because she's proven herself over the past decade-plus as a Senator and then as SOS, and also for the simple reason that the most vocal anti-Clinton, right-wing nutcases who raised so much hell in the 90s have either died off or are now shitting their diapers.
2016 is Hillary's if she wants it.
If Corey Booker swoops in and an African-American steals the nomination from her a second time, she will probably join the Klan.
She's old, but if Howard Dean runs, she's fucked.
She'll be hitting 80 when she leaves office, I really think she is too old. I love her though but seriously, no.
"She's old, but if Howard Dean runs, she's fucked."
Corey Booker is going nowhere. He's such a whore he makes Torricelli look like Integrity Personnified.
Howard Dean stands about as much chance of winning a Democratic primary over Hillary as Michelle Bachmann does. And you do realize that Dean is now more conservative than Hillary, don't you?
NO, he isn't. But he is still too conservative. Her autobiography proposes a "third way" (Tony Blair's term) between conservatism and traditional liberalism, which she saw as DEAD in 2000 when she had a Harvard alumni ghost write her autobiography. She has pisspoor judgement and she is far too right wing. It's no accident the Sauds have given millions to the Clinton Library and that they gay-murdering Musevenis had her on speed dial for years.
She believes she is entitled to be president because of her fucking faith. We say NO.
The ankle transplants were a very smart move. She's smart, compassionate, smart as a whip and connected as hell.
My reservation involves her connections. I wish she'd 'go maverick' and pick a cabinet of young outsiders. I'm concerned she'll pick the same old beholden cronies.
but I'll still vote for the heffa!
What about Andrew Cuomo?
[quote] She will be 70 in 2016. She had her chance in 2008 and didn't make it. She now needs to step aside and take up knitting or something. Let a younger person with more energy get the nomination.
Silly boy, go back to finding free porn sites and leave politics to the adults.
Reagan was 70 when he was elected.
I think he was the anti-Christ,but he was a very effective President if you're a conservative. Age isn't really a deal breaker.
I assume the comments about Booker and Dean running for President were supposed to be funny. I like Dean but Booker is 100% sleaze.
Mostly she needs to do something with that god damned hair. She wore it up once - ONCE - in a formal photo and she looked fantastic. I think she thought it was too old because she went right back to that '70s mane she keep trying to make work - look Hills, your face is huge, and neither long hair nor pantsuits are your friends. You have the money - get a fucking stylist who can make you look regal and flattering, and pin. that. fucking. hair. up.
I totally love Hillary, but I laughed hard at R53.
I wish Hillary would get some good face work (she needs it and she would look great with a lift) and a glamorous makeover, but we have to remember that we are all gay men who encourage this kind of stuff and think people should do it. Many, if not most Americans are mouth-breathing, reactionary, idiotic proles who consider plastic surgery the devil's work and dressing fashionably as elitist. Unfortunately for Hillary, getting face work done and a fabulous new wardrobe and hairstyle isn't going to fly with the redneck dipshits that infest this country and that Hillary needs to court if she wants to win.
Gay guys would have no problem with it, but unfortunately most people don't think like gay guys. Much to their detriment.
OP, you're not qualified to comment on American politics. (Unless you're just another dumb, shit-stirring asshole on the DL. In that case, please carry on.)
Former First Lady, former Senator, former Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton will righteously kick the ass of any baby boomer dumb enough to challenge her.
Which is exactly what she should do, so fuck off, kid.
There was some stupid Brit Hillary troll on here a few weeks ago. I hope this doesn't summon it back.
She just needs one of Debbie Boone's Lifestyle Lifts and she'll be good to go. Oh, and a vaginal rejuvenation. Does Debbie do Pussy Lifts, too?
Old people are a blight on this world.
These anti-Hillary posts are freeper shit-stirrers trying to pit younger voters in the Democratic Party against older voters in the Democratic Party.
That just isn't going to happen, ladies. Young people will lightly flirt with post-boomer candidates in the primaries and then line up to vote for Hillary in the General.
The Republicans don't have a candidate who is nationally electable and it serves them right.
Hillary Clinton had her shot in the 2008 primaries and voters just didn't want her. If the party tries to force her down our throats again in 2016 we'll probably end up with a Republican president because Democrats will just stay home rather than vote for another fucking neoliberal sellout.
Hillary Clinton has been THE standard-bearer for the Democratic party for DECADES now.
She single-handedly SAVED the Democratic party after her husband's foolish actions.
As a Secretary of State she was focused and traveled everywhere.
And yes, unlike Barack she can and will manage the Republicans and will focus on the important issues for the nation.
Plus, HELLO, we need a WOMAN to run the country. Hillary for PRESIDENT right now!
Hillary hasn't accomplished jack shit in any position she's been in.
[quote]As a Secretary of State she was focused and traveled everywhere.
As Secretary of State, Hillary signed a trade agreement with Japan for the U. S. not to check food for radiation after Fukushima. Now that the corium appears to have sunk beneath the plants, and severely contaminated water is pouring into the ocean and the local water table, fish and other foodstuffs from the area are getting more contaminated every day.
If the plant situation continues to deteriorate, which almost every expert says it will, and it becomes a health issue here, it could come back to haunt her. Canadians are also starting to ask questions, and if it affects them, there will be publicity here too.
People following this issue are really angry with Hillary. There will be more people affected, not less, by 2016.
She looks like Methuselah; Cuomo gets the nod.
Cuomo can't run for the presidency. He thinks he can but that's only because he's not as smart as his father.
I actually like Andrew but no, just no.
[quote]Democrats will just stay home rather than vote for another fucking neoliberal sellout.
Nope, that's just you and your freaky little friends. Most Americans prefer moderate, centrist candidates for the presidency.
Do you know how you can tell that I'm right about that? Look at all the POTUSes who have been elected for the past 50 years. Moderates, or people who pretend to be moderate in order to secure the presidency, are the only people who win.
Deal with reality or fuck off. Only your fellow dolts and dipshits are interested in your high school level interpretation of, and approach to, politics. (College freshman level if I'm being kind.)
R61, you clearly slept through the 2008 campaign. Hillary was gobsmacked by a bunch of men in the senate who were jealous. Instead, they picked a highly ambitious male senator who was also a potentially historic figure. It was the sneaking around behind her back that got me.
I don't know whether she'll make it or not. She's clearly got the resume, regardless of what a lot of amateurs think.
Ronald Reagan was 69 when elected....but then again his age was made fun of a lot.
If Hillary were a man who had been a Senator and Secretary of State, there would be no question whether he was fit to run for President.
I'd prefer Gillibrand as our first female president, but as far the sexist stuff goes, I think it's her voice that would be the issue.
Reagan had Alzheimer's while still on office. He really deteriorated during his second term. That's really what people are afraid of - a future President, losing their mental acuity, dealing with complicated international issues. That's not a good feeling.
Reagan had Alzheimer's while still on office. He really deteriorated during his second term. That's really what people are afraid of - a future President, losing their mental acuity, dealing with complicated international issues. That's not a good feeling.
You think remembering Reagan makes you old, R72? Phhhht.
I remember Ronnie's naps and how weirdly disconnected he was, even during his first term. Still, the much younger and non-Alzheimer's patient, GWB, was arguably a worse president than Reagan. Hell, GWB is arguably a worse president than Nixon but I can't really argue for that one. I remember RMN far too well.
Bill Clinton looks so sickly lately. Will he survive a Clinton run?
How come it was okay for Reagan, OP?
President Clinton's a lot healthier than most Dataloungers and most people.
Some politicians are drained and exhausted by campaigning, Bill Clinton isn't one of them. The campaign trail is a special kind of Clinton-crack for him. If anything, it will probably prolong his life.
Fun DL fact: Of all the men we've speculated about and discussed - meaning everyone Everyone EVERYONE - we have never wondered whether or not President Clinton has ever had the homosex.
I'm not saying we should, he's always been a major pussyhound (though not a big bush supporter). It's just funny that he's the only guy I can think of that we never even wondered about.
Clinton is much more careful about his health than he used to be. Every since his heart surgery and weight loss he has made major changes, including becoming a vegetarian.
Pres. Clinton is not mentally healthy. Schmoozing with the Bushes and keeping their secrets has to be taxing on anybody with a brain.
Obama is doing the same thing, R78.
[quote]Hillary Clinton had her shot in the 2008 primaries and voters just didn't want her.
She actually receive more actual votes than Obama. Obama won 51% of the pledged delegates to Hillary's 49%.
It was a VERY close race.
False. Obama received more votes than Hillary C.
You really need to get your story back on a factual basis, although your candidate has always played fast and loose with facts.
I'll take President Clinton's mental health over yours seven days a week and twice on Sundays, R79.
There's a special on tin foil at the Piggly Wiggly this weekend, HURRY!
I'll take that bet R82. You have no idea how bad our ruling class really is.
Let's not rehash Hillary vs. Obama in 2008.
But what is the case is that Hillary is more popular now than she was in 2008. She is currently the leading contender in all the polls for 2016, and I don't need to be the Poll Troll to see that.
yes r87 good point!!! with Glenn as Benghazi! we can put her in those big fancy hats African woman wear! and Mamie as Chelsea! and Viola as Leslie Uggums!!!
[quote]I'll take that bet [R82].
There was no bet but, naturally, you lose. I'll be taking that kewpie doll off of your hands.
[quote]You have no idea how bad our ruling class really is.
Sure I do, I've been in it all my life and I know my own kind, dear. You have no idea how utterly pointless your ranting and raving is but if that's what gets you through the night, knock yourself out.
President Clinton is NOKD but at least he figured out how to work the angles and made something of his life. \t
That "primary vote" is not accurate because they included Michigan where Obama was not on the ballot.
It does represent all the votes cast, however. But if you look at all the permutations of including caucus state estimates, Florida, Michigan and uncommitted Michigan votes (presumably for Obama), then Obama wins 5 of the 8 ways to count it.
The fact is that any way you cut it, it was close and hardly the flat-out rejection you're trying to portray.
Oh, my has someone fed the freepers, again?
Americans clearly couldn't give a fuck about Benghazi, or the fake scandal the Repubs and Fox News have whipped up about it.
It was a wholesale rejection considering the primaries started with her considered the shoo-in.
The more people see her, the more they dislike her. That's just a fact. Her best campaign is no campaign, but she wouldn't do that.
r94 - That may be your take on it but the facts and general consensus don't support your opinions. I wonder what you think about global climate change.
Try reading. It is fundamental.
The good thing is that if Hillary looses the Democratic primary, she can run as a Republican without compromising any of her ideologies.
Was R72 said Reagan was too old to be president. He frequently had to take naps and was mentally out of it for his entire second term.
Hillary is healthier and I don't doubt her competence but also have to admit I would prefer someone younger. Not just for health reasons but we should be looking forward rather than looking back.
Bringing in new leaders and new talents.
2016 looks like being Hillary v Rand Paul, and Hillary will probably win by the biggest landslide since LBJ beat Goldwater (I wouldn't be surprised if in the privacy of the polling booth even the Bushes voted for her against Paul)
Quinnipiac came out with a poll this week showing Chris Christie with a 1-point lead over Hillary in Colorado. Ugh.
I'm surprised that this obese bully is polling so well against her. If he's the nominee, he's got a very good chance of winning. We've got to hope that he doesn't make it out of the Republican primary.
R97 Name one realistic alternative, and I might take you seriously.
Hillary far and away stands the best shot out of anyone. That's it.
What about Kirsten Gillibrand?
She's an old stoop whore
Nah, not Gillibrand, at least not this time around. Maybe she'll have a chance in 2020 or 2024. We'll see how she does in the Senate.
R101 that's the problem, no one here has even considered the fact that we have NO IDEA whether Hillary will actually run. And if she doesn't, then who? We're FUCKED. This presumption of Hillary is dangerous, not only is a competive primary healthy for the democratic candidate, but if she doesn't run, the party will have not cultivated a single alternative.
Remember in ~2003 when everyone ASSUMED Al Gore would run? Everyone bet on it, and they lambasted him for "lying" that he hasn't decided yet. And of course guess what. He just really didn't want to run for president again.
(BTW, I think Christie will be the Republican nominee, not Paul!)
What do you mean we have NO IDEA whether or not Hillary's running?
Do you live under a rock?
Of course she's running, barring health issues (just like Biden or any other would-be presidential candidate).
As for having no other candidates, again your rock-dwelling is showing.
We have VP Biden, Martin O'Malley, Andrew Cuomo, Deval Patrick, and even Elizabeth Warren (though I think she should wait). There are plenty more I'm not thinking of.
It's Hillary's choice when she wants to announce. I'm perfectly happy to wait for her. I think she'll run and I think she'll win.
R107 you are naive. First of all none of those possible contenders are well poised, vetted or even considered, precisely because everyone is hoping Hillary will run.
I know people who run in the Clinton circle, and they all say the same thing: Hillary has not decided whether she will run. Sure there are many stakeholders with a lot of interest in her running, and they will continue pushing PACs and fundraising efforts to help pave the way, and entice her into a decision. But when a decision comes, only a VERY select group of people will be privy.
If Hillady runs, my money says she doesn't announce until very late in the game, she'll make everyone squirm and panic until they cry that she is the only one.
I bet she doesn't even enter the race until the first two primaries are over
That actually sounds like good payback for 2008
Oh, the Clintons be out for blood in 2016. Talk about having some scores to settle
Anyone who thinks Biden will be a venerable or preferred candidate in the absence of Hillary needs their head checked
Conservative-for-the-only-candidate-with-balls here. I settled on Hillary awhile back, partly because we R's seem incapable of selecting a sensible candidate. But it did concern me seeing how she came apart towards the end of her Secretary Of State term.
I just have a weird feeling she won't even got the nomination. Something always seems to go wrong for her.
R108, you are either a liar or woefully misinformed. Barring health issues, she's running.
Your claim that Vice President Biden hasn't been adequately vetted is ludicrous on its face. There is plenty of time to vet the rest of them and lots of others. Hillary will have challengers, we'll see what rises to the top through the primary process.
I don't think any of the possible Democratic candidates can beat her and I don't think the Republicans have anyone who can beat her either.
R100 - Even Bob Dole won Colorado, who cares it is not the pivotal swing state. A PPP poll on August 23rd had Hillary beating Christie in Ohio 45-36 (Obama only won Ohio by 3 points in 2012). If Hillary wins Ohio she is president, game over. In any case, I doubt Christie will be GOP nominee, at the moment it looks like Rand Paul
R105 - If Hillary runs the GOP candidate will probably be Paul, as the GOP base sees no difference between Christie and Hillary. If Hillary does not run it will probably be Rubio, although Christie would have a better shot
How come Dianne Feinstein or Barbara Boxer aren't thinking of running?
Because Diane is, like, a hundred years old, and the other one is an idiot.
A Jew becoming President? You're funny r118.
I saw an interview yesterday with Maryland Gov. Martin O'Malley and was surprised to hear how well his state is doing. MD has some of the highest job growth in the country, and the public schools are doing fantastic. Their health care system is great, too, and only getting better since O'Malley is fully behind the ACA.
I know he wouldn't help Hillary geographically, but his good record and youthful good looks could be just what she needs in a running mate. As a team, they would certainly appeal to the ladies.
Hillary appeals to the ladies, just sayin'.
Soo counting the minutes.
Barbra Boxer is a great liberal Senator. She is only an idiot to right wing repugs.
plus she's a girl
[quote]The good thing is that if Hillary looses the Democratic primary
You're just here to make us LOSE our minds, right!?
[quote]Quinnipiac came out with a poll this week showing Chris Christie with a 1-point lead over Hillary in Colorado. Ugh.
I wouldn't worry. Hardly known candidates are always more popular before everybody gets a good look at them, and Chris Christie's appeal such as it is, is very volatile. Christie wears thin quickly, and has proven to be intemperate, and undisciplined with his big yap. He simply lacks the ability to get through a long campaign without destroying his fragile popularity by being an annoying loudmouth bully.
He doesn't have a good chance of courting the fire-breathing TeaPublicans anyway.
[quote]you are naive. First of all none of those possible contenders are well poised, vetted or even considered
Speaking of naive, R108, have you checked the mirror lately? Clinton, in 2008, was "well poised, vetted, or even considered." She still lost.
The long campaign will determine who is poised and vetted and who will be considered. I'm fine with Hillary running and winning. I'm also fine with any Democratic challenger running and winning.
How was her menopause? I read women with harsh menopauses can have lingering side effects.
Hillary will be the next POTUS.
Hillary looks so OLD and TIRED at this recent event. I wish she'd like take a week and sit on the beach and just rest.
What the fuck has Chelsea ever done that's qualified her to be President? She's in her mid-30s and hasn't held any kind of job for more than 6 months, that is when she feels like working.
Chelsea is smart and well educated. She is going to get her PhD.
That's more than most politicians will ever have.
You watch, she will enter politics sooner than you think!
I don't think she should run...even though her brain is probably that of a 40 year olds but I don't really want her to run and I sure as hell don't want to talk about it yet.
[quote]Chelsea is smart and well educated. She is going to get her PhD.
I just hope she is taking her Boniva.
Chelsea is a lazy bitch who just wants to loll around Manhattan and be fabulous. She keeps going back to school to get another degree to keep up appearances. Don't ever think she's going to enter politics.
Big Hillary supporter back when she was running. Always knew Obama was a rightwing smooth talker who could not be trusted. But now the idea of Hillary running doesn't excite me. Her moment has passed I feel along with the Dems as a whole. A vote for either party seems to me a wasteful gesture at best and an inversion on democracy.
I feel super excited about Hillary running, personally - and super excited to vote for her. That is if the U.S. still exists in 2016 after we are fighting a war on three different fronts for oil.
Syria doesn't have oil, and the Iraq war is over
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She has had recent health issues, another campaign could literally kill her. Biden is going to gun for her and he knows more shit on her & will possibly bring up Benghazi, which would give the right ammo against her.
I believe that R's will have more middling people again, like a Christie/Rubio ticket, so there is not much of a difference between them. And Scott Brown could also possibly run.
Hillary herself is also very very middle of the road these days, veering towards the right.
It's going to be interesting to see how much weight Christie can lose in the next 2 years. The public has a very negative view of overweight people.
Christie couldn't even be hired by most companies because of his obesity. They would throw away his resume as soon as he walked in the door.
[quote]She has had recent health issues, another campaign could literally kill her.
That's absolutely ridiculous. She was sick with the flu and passed out because of her demanding schedule. That could happen to anyone, even the healthiest person alive. Most people half her age can't even get out of bed if they have the flu.
She also had a blood clot in her brain. I really do not think she is healthy enough, and though she may WANT to be POTUS, I don't think she's healthy enough for a campaign and for the grueling it takes to be POTUS.
Was Hillary really caught jacking off to a photo of Janet Reno?
[quote] She also had a blood clot in her brain. I really do not think she is healthy enough, and though she may WANT to be POTUS, I don't think she's healthy enough for a campaign and for the grueling it takes to be POTUS.
Oh please. Like we can't see you're a freep spreading disinfo from a gay mile here.
I love Hillary and want her to live a long and happy life. I also want her to be president.
But the symptoms of her mysterious blood clot were very similar to a stroke, and I have always suspected I might be the latter they were trying to cover up
It wasn't a "mysterious" blood clot, you fool. It occurred after she fainted and hit her head on the bathroom floor.
More than likely a Republican is going to be elected in 2016. The public wants a change.
R155, Even my Repub friends say that if the GOP wants a change, than they'd better find a brand new really electable candidate, liked by more than the extreme right wing, or they'll be gifting the Democrats once again.
Truthfully, Mitt was not the extreme right wing. Had he chosen Rubio instead of (at the time) social security killer Paul Ryan (who is now embraced by Obama btw) I think the Mitt/Rubio ticket would have won. It certainly would have won FL, which is Rubio's home state, and FL went for BO in 2012.
It's all a chess game, Romney stumbled, the hurricane happened and Romney had Ryan on the ticket, not great, so he lost to BO.
Next time a Christie/Rubio ticket could most likely win.
Bullshit, R157. The South is never gonna go for Christie.
r158 that was said about Romney too, and the south DID go for Romney, who will the south go for? A democrat? ROFL. Not likely.
Looks like we are in for a long string of Democratic presidents if the Republicans continue their far right antics.
The abortion issue kills the R's time after time. It is time to get rid of it and at LEAST go neutral on the gay issue, most of the R's in the blue states are supportive of gay rights and neutral or pro-abortion.
R158 the south doesn't need to go for Christie for him to win the nomination. i.e. Romney, McCain
R159, what I meant was that I doubt he would win the nomination. The Repugs will go for someone a lot wingnuttier than Christie. If by some miracle he does get nominated, then yes, the Rs will get in line and vote for him (unless there's a 3rd party candidate who's more right-wing).
I'll count on the fundies to keep the anti-porn debate in the forefront, to help the Democrats.
Aren't some of those Southerners for liberalized marijuana laws, just to help their poor sick, elderly relatives cope with their chronic pain? I know the Bible Belt disapproves of drugs, but still, you don't want to see someone suffer, do you? Prayer only helps so much, right?