Did anyone in that movie have much of a career left after it was released?
That is some funny shit. Thanks OP.
That was great thanks OP. Rutanya looks great for 71.
But she's not . . . Hollywood Royalty!
Thanks, op, that was fun.
I will never, ever tire of anything related to Mommie Dearest.
Fabulous and funny.
Eighteen years in the business and we parted friends! Creative differences!
Can't wait for her book to come out.
Rutanya Alda is absolutely amazing. I will worship her, and hold her in the highest esteem with all the power vested in me, but I still scream for more "behind-the-scenes" Mommie Dearest crumbs... Cray-cray-Faye can go jump out a damn window.
Spill those fucking beans, Carol-Anne!!!
She looks better as a real life old woman then she did as a fake when in Mommie Dearest. Her old age makeup in that was laughable.
I love you, OP...
I always thought that her over-the-top old lady make up made the film even more campy!
Is she related to Alan Alda?
Steve Forrest was quite hot....he was around 57 at this time too!
Was Crawford a shoo in for the Oscar the year she won? The other nominees seem kind of weak:
The Bells of St. Mary's: Ingrid Bergman
The Valley of Decision: Greer Garson
Love Letters: Jennifer Jones
Leave Her to Heaven: Gene Tierney
You'd think she would have attended.
Has Scarwid ever spoken about the film? Seems like it really hurt her career.
Diana Scarwid was on Frank DeCaro's Sirius show several years ago, and I remember that she told him that she thought the movie did a great public service by bringing the subject of child abuse out in the open....
R21 I always thought Tierney should have won....that was truly a brave performance and is still shocking today
I agree r24 but I wonder what the feeling was at the time.
Why is Tierney shocking? I've never seen the movie so don't reveal too much!!!
Gene's performance is shocking because of the graphic scene where she masturbates while reading the bible.
well R27, it's hard without revealing too much....but an A list actress doing the things the character does in the course of the film is pretty shocking
ooops I meant R26
r27, are you serious? was that movie "pre code"? ....that's pretty shocking. ...didn't seem to have a negative effect on her career it would seem.
I should also say that the scene where Tierney spreads her father's ashes is one of the most weirdly erotic scenes in cinema history
No R27 is not serious
When did Dunaway get so fucking crazy? Was she like this early on? in the Bonnie and Clyde days?
I recall Meagan M of Will and Grace telling a hilarious and near jaw dropping story of visiting Faye's home in the days before M started acting. She'd been summoned by La Dunaway to bring her home made jewelry by for Faye's inspection.
I can't find the interview with M on Youtube. Does anybody recall seeing this interview on some talk show? Very much worth a watch. Faye cray cray.
I've heard horror stories. She's a crazy bitch and just one of the most toxic, negative people ever.
Staff rarely lasts more than a few weeks. She trusts no one, so she just tests them and tests them, and then when the inevitable blowup comes, they've "betrayed" her, blah, blah, blah.
I vaguely remember it, R33. I remember Megan imitating Dunaway saying something like "My lotion. Bring me my lotion." Something very odd and quite funny. I think it was on Leno 2001 or 2002.
[quote]When did Dunaway get so fucking crazy? Was she like this early on? in the Bonnie and Clyde days?
that book about 70's films that is often discussed here...title anyone?...paints Dunaway as kind of erratic
EASY RIDERS AND RAGING BULLS?
I worked with Dunaway in the mid 1990's in Canada. She is obsessive about hair and make-up to the point of disorder and chaos for even small budget productions. She was no longer a big star then but you could tell that she expected certain privileges due the artist and star. It was not vanity exactly. She was quite strange.
The story about her hair plucked by Polanski and her freakout can be nothing but the truth. Read the Vanity Fair article about her at the time of Barfly if you can find it. Before all the surgery, after her fall, but before she realized it was over. Very interesting. Deep in drugs for sure, and a high strung neurotic. She really was a very good actress and beautiful woman in a modern way, but a bad, bad star. The epitome of entitlement - projecting her nerves to all around, and consulting all the wrong people. She trusted no one.
She took it as far as she could when she could get away with it. Faye is not a team player, very self important, and kind of sad. She was not an outright bitch on set - she is too unaware of others to be so pointed. But she throws her sense of talent and it's importance around in a wide swath. She dictates how one can help her and is loud when it is not to her liking. One on one she can be quite sweet. She is unfortunately nuts. I still think she gets a bit of a bad rap. I have worked with worse. I must be crazy.
The title of this thread mentions "star," but the only "STAR" in that clip is ME. And I am not one to "dish" about myself, "crazy" or otherwise. Please desist in mocking me, and please stop discussing that damned film or I will have my legal team shut this site down!
R37 That's a great book, well worth a read if you can pick it up cheap.
I'm sure this is said in a lot of Mommie Dearest/Faye threads down the years but I actually thought she was pretty good in that movie. The script might have been over the top but I thought Faye was convincing in among it all and did a good job. I think she won one of the critics award for it. (And of course, a Razzie)
No one's mentioned Faye being a borderline personalty, or bi - polar. It would explain a lot. Either that, or as 'Carol Ann' says, relating what "MD" costume designer , Irene Sharaff, said about Faye, when she ran into her one day , during filming " I will not work with that, that drug addict, ever again".
I've noticed she can't even say the title....she always calls it "The Crawford"
No, Terry (aka r41), it was VIVIENNE WALKER, the hair stylist, who said that.
Ms. Walker was a well-respected professional, who had worked throughout Joan Crawford's career. She prepared a series of gorgeous period pieces, which were summarily dismissed by FD.
FD insisted that the producers hire Goldie Hawn's hairdresser from "Private Benjamin" because she wanted her hair to look like THAT.
watch the video r45...Rutanya says it was Irene
My bad. I misremembered.
But R39, we are NOT one of your FAAAAANS!!!!!!
In that interview, Faye does speak the truth about the film. Her comments are spot on in that the director did NOT modulate the film, did not reel in Faye's performance. And she even admits it was all rather "kabuki," which is what everyone says, at least about the "no wire hangars" scene. Faye may be crazy but she is very professional and articulate (and rather gracious, actually) in that Actors Studio interview. I had never heard her ever even speak about Mommie Dearest before. That may the first (and only) time she has ever discussed it publicly. Watch her body language during the interview. She has everything crossed tightly as she talks about the movie. VERY defended and cautious.
It's too bad that Faye can't relax about "Mommie Dearest" and have fun with it, like Patty Duke did with "Valley of the Dolls."
Faye in her 20s was also what is now referred to as a "sexual compulsive." In those days she'd be referred to as a nympho. Screwed everything-pizza delivery boys, plumbers, didn't matter what they looked like. This is according to a friend of mine who was her roommate at the American Academy of Dramatic Arts in NYC.
[bold]WHY CAN'T WE TALK ABOUT POSITIVE THINGS?![/bold]
[quote]I always thought that her over-the-top old lady make up made the film even more campy!
I totally agree. That and Diana Scarwid's occasional slip-ups with her Georgia accent were the icing on the cake.
[after discovering dirt underneath a large indoor planter]
Joan Crawford: Ohhhh... Helga. When you polish the floor, you have the move the tree. If you can't do something right, don't do it at all.
Helga: I'm sorry, Miss Crawford...
Joan Crawford: Gimmie the soap. You see, Carol Ann, you've got to stay on top of things every single minute.
Joan Crawford: Carol Ann, will you get that?
Carol Ann: Yes, Miss Crawford.
Joan Crawford: Helga, I'm not mad at you, I'm mad at the dirt.
Having has a parent that was a sociopath, the night raids, the over the top rages, the guilt trips, etc. that make up most of Faye's performace were recognizable to me. Perhaps she went too far for film, but I always thought it was a great performance.
Joan Crawford wasn't a sociopath, she most likely had narcissistic personality disorder and was possibly bipolar. Like many, many people with mental illness she self-medicated with massive amounts of alcohol which of course only made things much worse.
Rutanya seems like a kick. Fun stories.
R54 Yes, we've AAALLLLLLLLLLL seen the movie.
Just talked last night with my friend who worked at ABC (I'm talked about him before in the Sally Field Programme threads) to ask about Cray Cray Dunaway.
He said that she'd begged the heads of ABC, particularly Steve McPherson, to develop something for her for years.
Then she begged for a guest spot. No showrunner wanted to work with her. Eventually, through some chip owed, Shonda Rhimes pulled the short straw and had to write her into Grey's.
Because she thought it was an "audition" for her own show she was well behaved and only asked for one thing when she got the script: that she not call Sandra Oh's character "Christina," to avoid comparisons to Mommie Dearest.
I was so disappointed at the time, too. I wanted to hear her say "Christina! DAMN IT!"
r56 - clinical narcissists are sociopaths.
Isn't is just sad that that mesmerizing beauty from Bonnie and Clyde, who was SUCH a star and even a style icon (berets!) morphed into the crazy woman we are talking about today?
[quote]It's too bad that Faye can't relax about "Mommie Dearest" and have fun with it, like Patty Duke did with "Valley of the Dolls."
Well, if Faye had a gay son like Patty did, perhaps things would be different.
Can you imagine if she made a cameo on this season's American Horror Story:Coven??? Holy fuckballs, that would be one of the battiest batshit craziest sets in history.
It took Patty Duke a very long time to come around to enjoying Valley of the Dolls -- it's only maybe been 10 years that she's been willing to talk and laugh about it.
Since Mommie Dearest was filmed 10 years after Valley of the Dolls, maybe Faye's about to turn a corner and start attending midnight screenings of "The Crawford"!
If Dunaway was willing to show a sense of humor about it, it could pave the way for a bit of a career renaissance.
I wish this was on youtube:
I had a tape of it for a while but can't find it.
Once Faye was on the Tom Snyder Show when he was on after Letterman. At one point he says (seemingly totally unaware of her feelings) "you know what movie of yours I always watch when it is on...." yes he said Mommie Dearest and proceeded to rave about her work.. Faye was surprisingly gracious and said something like well I don't know about that. She then proceeded to say similar stuff about how Frank Perry cut the film wrong and made it too campy. AND Faye is a great actress...she barely flinched when he said you know what film I love of yours...MD. Wow. I wonder what happened after the show.
Well, Tom Snyder's dead, isn't he ! No proof, but ............
I used to fantasize a lot about Tom Snyder. I loved his chuckle. He was a big one too, way over 6 feet tall. I am in Philly and that is where Tom really came into his own as a TV personality. It was a sad day for me when he went network.
Rule Rutanya! Alda looks fantastic, why isn't she working more?
Dizzy Gillespie once got really mad at a guy I know who asked him whether it was really true he'd been kicked out of the Cab Calloway band for throwing a spitball.
Is Rutanya's diary published and out yet? Was she in other films that we might know?
She has a lovely mischievous way of telling those stories that is very winning and doesn't make her seem too catty.
[quote] Was she in other films that we might know?
If only there was a website where you could look up all the film and television appearances of an actor/actress.....
R71/R73 You ask stupid questions, you get pointed at and laughed at when you get answered.
I don't come her for lists either. So why ask someone to post one with her films r71/r73 when you can go to imdb.com?
I wonder is the deleted scenes from Mommie Dearest will ever be released in our lifetimes. I know there are at least five of them. I have no idea why Paramount is still sitting on those scenes; a DVD edition with them included would be a big seller for obvious reasons.
I know Faye is a crazy bitch, but I will ALWAYS love her for tossing a cup of urine on Roman Polanski during the filming of Chinatown
we had a whole thread on this but: but the sheer beauty of the way Faye's dress looked while flapping in the breeze when she was dangling in the scenic elevator in The Towering Inferno entitles her to do anything she wants, EVER!!!!
r79, if I remember correctly, wasn't she wearing a see through dress.
[quote] I wonder is the deleted scenes from Mommie Dearest will ever be released in our lifetimes. I know there are at least five of them. I have no idea why Paramount is still sitting on those scenes; a DVD edition with them included would be a big seller for obvious reasons.
Would love to see them!
The image of Faye as JC descending that Art Deco double stairwell holding baby Christina is also ethereal.
[quote] if I remember correctly, wasn't she wearing a see through dress.
not really, Faye was always kind of modest about things like that. The sex scene in Network really bothered her and on Inside the Actor Studio she refused to give Lipton a swear word.
Miss Dunaway is a lady.
A CRAZY lady
actually Rutanya paints Mara as quit the little bitch.
plus she got fat! huge!!
I guess R83 thinks Lauren Bacall is quite a sweetheart, too. (rolls eyes)
r86 don't you understand sarcasm? what....are you from Canada
[quote] Miss Dunaway is a lady.
No, but she's played one in the movies. At some point, I'm sure.
[quote]MOMMIE DEAREST star
You use the term “star” very loosely
[quote]don't you understand sarcasm?
[bold]UNDERSTAND.[/bold] That's the first word I heard from any of you. There'll be time to understand when I'm old, if I ever AM old.
Faye's reputation as a Queen Bitch was cemented when none other than Bette Davis called her the most unprofessional actress she'd ever worked with.
Christmas carrrds? Ah've ben stedyin' fer exay-ams!
Diana Scarwid must have been a nervous wreck on that film. Most of her other performances before and after were pretty good stuff.
Faye could work the nerves!
I always loved Diana Scarwid... for just surviving that movie.
And thank to all of you who posted the clips and the insight.
Camp or kabuki, it is a FUN and well art-directed film. I can't NOT watch it if I find it on.
Faye was amazing and she should just own that she was scary good.
anybody have any Diana Scarwid interviews? I've been searching but nothing really comes up.
I will NEVAHHH raise my glass to Miss Dunaway!
Miss Davis, if you please
I loved Joan's Brentwood mansion in that movie, and of course her fabulous walk-in closet. Out of all the movie houses I've ever seen, I would love to live in that one.
And I want that multi-head shower she's using at the beginning of the movie.
Anyone ever notice how it goes into fast forward when she is choking Christina on the floor?
R97 Dear Miss Davis,
You're dead. Good.
Why did you adopt me?
In terms of Davis -Dunaway hate, I heard it goes back to their making "The Disappearance Of Aimee" in 1976. Apparently, as she's well known for, Dunaway kept Davis (and cast & crew), waiting over, and over, in courtroom scenes, shot in an old Denver courthouse, in mid-summer, with sweltering heat, while Faye fussed with hair, and make-up. She WAS Bette fucking Davis ! Anyway, Davis felt insulted personally, and felt it was throughly unprofessional to do to the crew. She ended up despising Dunaway. Also may have had something to o with the fact that Crawford gave an interview once where she said the only actress with the talent, and glamour, to play her, would be Dunaway. If she had only known !!!
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