- Yeah, sure, here we go again....
- There must be a movie coming out soon
- ..or a book...
- May be something to it! Scotland Yard is on the case
- Since there were all those paparazzi on scooters in the tunnel, wouldn't we know if someone had forced them off the road?
I think the truth is just that the driver was drunk, the paparazzi scared him, and no one wore seat belts.
- Yep, apparently the info was passed on by the parents-in-law of someone in the military. This could have been an a military assassination.
- The bitch knew too much!
- Forfucksake, what is so hard to understand? A drunk driving a car recklessly, passengers not wearing seat belts. Countless people, who accomplished far more than she ever did, die that way every year. She wasn't that important to merit assassinated.
Who are you kidding? They may have taken away her royal title that William will restore to her, she remained the mother of the future king. Marrying an Arab?
- R8 is a jealous nobody.
- That queen in the YouTube video just shrieked again.
- Prince Philip probably ordered it. Geez, maybe Dodi's dad was right all along.
- R9 The British royals are the equivalent of those people who dress up as Mickey Mouse at Disneyland. They have no power, no influence. They're something trotted out to entertain the tourists.
R10 Whats to be jealous of? She's dead, I'm still alive.
- Something to think about: Before she died, Princess Diana told people that she felt like her phones were being hacked and everyone felt she was paranoid and/or delusional. Turns out she was RIGHT.
The Royals were very concerned about the relationship between Dodi and Diana--basically that the mother of the future king would be married to a Muslim (although it turns out this relationship was more of a rebound for Diana than anything substantial, though Dodi's father wanted people to believe there was more to it). With so much seemingly at stake and so many futures tied to this relationship, and so many detractors of both Dodi and Diana, it is not hard to fathom that their deaths were a lot more complicated than just a simple drunk driving accident.
- Philip is a Nazi.
- Diana was pregnant when she died - but Dodi was not the father
- Well, they're German. What do you expect?
- W&W for R11!
- Apparently there was a grassy knoll INSIDE the tunnel, and someone has come forward to claim they saw something out of the corner of their eye.
- Wouldn't it be wise to first learn what this "new information" is before leaping to a judgment?
- The driver was never drunk...would a man like Dodi permit a drunk to drive him? Don't be ridiculous.
From photos I've seen the driver was driving way too fast for conditions and he was blinded by the disgusting, lowlife, photogs. They should have been jailed but the French Government protected them. It was never fair, no justice.
- These people have gotten millions of suckers to fund their multi-billion dollar lifestyles for centuries.
You don't think they've been able to maintain it all through *not* being a bunch of conniving dirtbags, do you?
I have no doubt that decrepit old fuck is a vile piece of work who would've done something like that to Diana. I still think it was an accident, but I put nothing by those people.
- [quote]The driver was never drunk...would a man like Dodi permit a drunk to drive him?
A drunken arrogant playboy who had been spoiled all his life by his desperate, insecure, wealthy father?
Honey, I think Lucille Bluth gives people in the industry more thought and more eye contact than Dodi ever did.
- Is r22 talking about the invisible people who live in his bedroom again?
- Bessie, you in danger, gurl!
- Grow the fuck up, R24.
Are you really so naive as to believe the royal family aren't essentially a political dynasty and that they've held onto power (even as a tourist attraction) through nefarious methods along the way?
Don't act like I'm talking about the moon landing being fake.
- Oh, Christ, the Princess Di troll is back.
Just go away!
- Like "Anonymous," the D. trolls are legion, R27. They do not forgive. They do not forget. Expect them.
- We are not amused.
- I've never understood why people think those power have substantially changed since medieval poisonings and plots - humans remain basically the same in nature. See Pope John Paul I and Dr. David Kelly for recent examples.
- Someone killed the guy that created those TV shows? And he was a Dr.?
- I've always felt there was something suspicious about the way she died.
- Peter Hunt @BBCPeterHunt 1h
It is believed the information re Diana was passed to @metpoliceuk
through the Royal Military Police.
- I have always thought that the bodyguard who survived knew a whole lot more than what he was telling. Was he former British military?
- They are saying, she was killed by a British soldier
The information came to light after his in laws passed it to the police
- Has this hit the mainstream media in any way?
- The BBC have yet to report on it, R37.
R14, yes, Dodi was a rebound guy but he was the rebound for the Indian heart surgeon Diana was in love with, not Charles. I can see Philip being enraged by the likelihood that she was attracted to "golliwogs" and could very well end up marrying one, maybe even out of spite. And that was an untenable prospect.
- R24 is a stupid, damn idiot, who obviously has no idea how the super wealthy become super wealthy and how they remain that way.
Think back to Henry the 8th...do you think he was nothing more then a myth? The same that was true then, is true now when it comes to evil, powerful people.
- r34, SAS I believe. Not sure of his military record prior to that.
- People were evil in the 16th century. Therefore, Princess Di must have been the victim of a conspiracy.
- Human nature has been consistent over time. Not sure what's so illogical about that, r41.
I'm not in the conspiracy camp on this, but people are evil and conspiracies do exist.
- I can't imagine why anyone would want to marry Prince Charles but Diana wanted it and because she married him, she was actually able to do some good for the world...more then he or The Queen has ever done. So even though her life was cut short, she actually accomplished quite a bit. Maybe her sons will be able to contribute? I can't say.
- My tweet posted @R33 above was by a BBC reporter.
- Hahaha! I guess R41 thinks we have had the evil bred out of us! Oh how I wish THAT were true.
- City on fire! City on fire!
- Funny how they are all worked up about this no-talent ho but 7-7 was clearly an inside job and they don't do anything about it.
- r26, I think r24 was referring to the fact that you don't specify at all in your post at r22 whom you're referring to, which does indeed make you sound like a crazy person who talks to the voices in your head.
- No one cares about 7-7 outside of the UK.
- Bilderburg for the win.
- r49, they should, especially the US government.
The UK government has had serious failures since 7/7 around when radicals should be arrested. I would not be surprised if Lee Rigby's family were considering a lawsuit.
The issue in fighting terror now isn't finding the terrorists abroad, it's assessing the ones currently under surveillance and being run as double agents.
This is what happened in the Boston Marathon bombing. The FBI thought they had turned them, but they got a rude surprise.
- QE II owns a lot of assets including part of the Fed Reserve. To the uninitiated her only influence is ceremonial. She is very, very well connected in power.
- R8 is the voice of reason in this thread. What the fuck is wrong with all you Diana trolls? A manipulative airhead was killed in a car crash because the driver was drunk and she wasn't wearing a seat belt. End of story.
In the months leading up to her death she was vilified in all the tabloids for her lying, manipulative behavior, her whoring around with other people's husbands, constant holidaying and her obsessive stalking of Oliver Hoare. She dies and suddenly she's a born-again saint, all sins are forgiven and it must have been a conspiracy because no-one ever died when the driver was drunk, right? Right? I mean, that's un-fucking-believable that a drunk driver could crash.
As for the Henry-VIII-was-bad-therefore-all-people-are-bad, it's almost too ridiculously stupid for words. This thread is collapsing, having attained critical mass of fucktardedness.
- Is that supposedly why the FBI shot that guy down in FL? He knew that the Boston Bombers were also working with the FBI in addition to whomever they did the bombing for (an Islamic group)?
- Diana and her Muslim interests didn't rise to any level of murderous concern.
Her spear-heading the anti-landmines movement, however, did. Diana was becoming too much of a political influence.
- r53, I don't really give a shit about Diana, per se, but to me the question is was there any kind of government/Palace interference?
MI-6 should not be in the business of bugging her phones, infiltrating her security detail, etc. in order to report back to the palace. These allegations were made in the mainstream press; as far as I know, there was no libel suit from the government or the palace re: the allegations.
This is a ridiculous waste of resources that people, especially UK citizens, should be concerned about in the CCTV age.
- She was classless.
- No conspiracy. Just a tragic death. Course it could be that damn illuminati stuff cause ya know they killed Crakney and Ms. Michael jackson.
- R49 And no one cares about 9/11 outside of the US.
- She was a saint compared to her royal EX. What loser says he wants to be a damn stanky used tampon in between his lovers legs? Mummy must have loved hearing that one.
- R56 " there was no libel suit from the government or the palace re: the allegations" - the palace NEVER sues for libel. Same goes for the government. It's considered that any sort of lawsuit only serves to repeat the libel and just isn't worth it. That doesn't mean any allegations are true, just that it's really easy to say anything you like as they never sue.
I would be surprised if MI6 were keeping an eye on her over and above anything for protection purposes, her land mine stuff just wasn't an issue in the UK. She wasn't a political figure, she wasn't someone who's opinions were respected, she wasn't a leader of anything or anyone, so not important enough to be a target.
I really despair sometimes at the level common sense. Not everything in life is a Bond movie. Sometimes rich people die young. Sometimes they just weren't important enough for anyone to need to murder them. It happens. We're talking about a rich ex wife here, not Mata Hari.
- Paul Mooney's take on the whole ordeal
- [quote]I would be surprised if MI6 were keeping an eye on her over and above anything for protection purposes, her land mine stuff just wasn't an issue in the UK. She wasn't a political figure, she wasn't someone who's opinions were respected, she wasn't a leader of anything or anyone, so not important enough to be a target.
That's my whole point--the call monitoring, staff infiltration, etc. was done for people in power for their own petty reasons.
That's why I think it's important to find out exactly what happened. Security resources don't need to be spent on this type of bull.
They can take their grievances to the press complaints commission (something they never did, either); most times that's done before a lawsuit.
- The surviving bodyguard had his tongue cut off.
- R63 " call monitoring, staff infiltration" - did any of that actually happen though? I really would like to know. A vague rumor in a tabloid with space to fill isn't evidence that any of that went on. Her butler, Paul Burrell, is a sneaky, thieving liar who fabricated a lot of persecution stories for a paycheck, if there isn't any evidence that anything went on *outside of what is required for protection* then I'm not convinced it happened.
I'm not trying to pick a fight with anyone here, I just find it incomprehensible that anyone thinks for a second that she was in any way a political target who had to be silenced. It's like the gay version of scary campfire stories.
- She rejected having a palace/government security detail because they were reporting back on her activities. She felt they really weren't working for her and looking out for her welfare.
Trevor Rhys-Jones had government security experience, but he was not hired by the palace on her behalf.
No active duty SAS, MI-6 or any other organization personnel should have been in her detail.
As I say, I'm not talking about the tabloid pay for it press. I wish I could find an old link for you. I agree that she was not a political target; that's why it's ridiculous to waste government resources.
- I wonder how her boys feel, knowing The Firm might have had a hand in their mother's death. Anyone who thinks the Royals have no power are sorely mistaken.
- I just love that one has to be some obsessed Di troll to know how power works. It's common sense, idiots. I don't even give a shit about this woman, I was only commenting on the fact that families like the "royals" don't get there by being nice. Do you really have to be told that, R27?
You think powerful and wealthy families maintain that power and wealth through honest means? Why, because Liz looks like your grandmother?
- Of course this story has made the front pages of most of the UK tabloids for tomorrow.
- In the CCTV video of Diana, her bf and the driver, the driver did not appear drunk. I don't remember what his blood level was but it was not consistent with the CCTV footage. test results can be faked.
Also, there was a deposit of a large sum of $ in the driver's bank account a few weeks prior to the "accident." Just some bits that I remember.
- Why would it not be front page news?
- [quote]Of course this story has made the front pages of most of the UK tabloids for tomorrow.
Hush! You'll upset the morons who want to claim it's "only on DL." They don't want to know that the rest of the globe is looking at the story, too.
- [quote]The surviving bodyguard had his tongue cut off.
- Did you hear about Lady Di?
- Oh who cares?
- r70, I'd be more concerned about how & why Paul was an MI-6 informant.
- Elton should be commenting on this in 3, 2, 1...
- R73 who ever wrote that his tongue was cut off was wrong
From Trevor Rees-Jones wiki
His face was flattened: numerous bones were broken or crushed. His face was reconstructed from family photographs by a maxillofacial surgeon, Luc Chikhani, using about 150 pieces of titanium to hold the bones together and recreate the original shape. Within a year, his face was nearly back to normal. None of the costs of surgery was paid for by Rees-Jones. The cost of his hospital care was borne by Dodi's father, Mohamed Al-Fayed, Rees-Jones's employer at the time of the crash, and the rest was paid for by the British National Health Service (NHS). It was widely believed that Rees-Jones had swallowed his tongue after the accident but was proven false as he underwent a 10-hour operation to restore his jaw to a normal condition.
Rees-Jones returned to Britain on 3 October 1997 having spent a month in hospital. At the time, Rees-Jones was able to communicate only by whispering and writing down answers to questions directed to him. He resigned his job as a bodyguard on 19 May 1998. Al-Fayed offered the job if Rees-Jones wished to return.
- Didn't the bodyguard testify that he remembered little leading up to the accident? Which could be true.
- Have you known many alcoholics, R70?
Most can appear to be relatively normal, despite high blood-alcohol levels.
The driver was drunk and driving far too fast in an underpass. However, that doesn't preclude other factors being involved in the crash.
- He didn't have his tongue cut off so he wouldn't talk or something. You're misrepresenting it!
- Always wanted to know if Trevor was ever hypnotized to uncover any hidden info he may have subconsciously blocked.
- Harvey Weinstein must be doing a happy dance somewhere.
- Is this a joke? Did the guy really have his tongue cut off?
- As part of his facial reconstruction, R84. Not because he did it to himself out of guilt, or someone did it to him as a warning to stay quiet.
- A newly revealed claim of conspiracy in the death of Princess Diana has royal watchers buzzing once again, nearly 16 years after the woman who would now be a royal grandmother died in a Paris car crash.
But British police seem to be knocking down the claim -- that the British military was involved in the deaths of Diana, her boyfriend and driver in August 1997.
"This is not a re-investigation," London police tersely stressed in a statement that revealed none of what it had been told.
The claim appears to have been sent first to military authorities and then London police by the parents-in-law of a British special forces sniper after his marriage had fallen apart, according to an article on the website of the Sunday People newspaper. It did not offer a source for its reporting.
Sunday People said it had seen a seven-page handwritten letter by the in-laws alleging that the soldier, whom the newspaper did not name, had boasted to his wife that the elite British Special Air Service commando unit was behind the deaths.
- Jesus Fucking Christ. Diana died because her driver was drunk off his ass and speeding at nearly 100mph, and Diana was not wearing a seatbelt. Period.
There was no conspiracy. Even super-famous people are mortal human beings and can die in the most ordinary ways possible. There is this need that people seem to have that can't allow them to believe someone famous can have the same terrible things happen to them that happen to ordinary people.
- R22 is great!
- R86, yes, i remember it was in their handbook, not sure which division but it's similar to our special forces or CIA. An "accident" in a tunnel was a typical scenario.
- I miss Diana and wish she were still alive. She would have become a hug international figure, much bigger than she was or that we could have imagined.
Diana was not assassinated. She was killed in a car accident as a result of her drunk driver who was driving way too fast because the paparazzi were on the hunt chasing her. It was a terrible tragedy that shocked and saddened the entire world.
And no way was she going to marry Dodi; they hadn't even been dating all that long. Diana was not stupid. She was quoted to say to a close friend that she needed another marriage like she needed a bad rash. This was a summer fling that would have ended soon enough.
Yeah sure, perhaps her phone might have been bugged from time to time. But she still was not assassinated. She unfortunately died as the result of a car accident.
- I don't think The Queen nor Charles were involved in Diana's death, but it's plausible that Philip pulled some strings behind the scenes.
- Why is everyone so convinced that Phillip in particular is such a cold blooded killer?
- From The Daily Mail,
"Was Princess Diana MURDERED by British soldier? Metropolitan Police 'assessing credibility' of new claim made in court martial of SAS sniper Danny Nightingale
Police 'scoping information' and 'assessing its relevance and credibility'
The force has said it 'is not a re-investigation' into their deaths
PUBLISHED: 11:24 EST, 17 August 2013 | UPDATED: 19:32 EST, 17 August 2013
Scotland Yard last night said they were assessing the credibility of new information relating to the deaths of Princess Diana and Dodi Fayed including an allegation that they were murdered by a member of the British military.
It said it was 'scoping' the information, which surfaced in the second court martial of Sergeant Danny Nightingale, the SAS sniper convicted of illegally stashing a pistol and 338 bullets in his bedroom.
The allegation was contained in a letter from the parents-in-law of Soldier N, Sgt Nightingale's former housemate, which was sent to the SAS's commanding officer in September 2011.
Police have said they are 'assessing' information it has recently received in relation to the deaths of Princess Diana and Dodi Al Fayed
Police have said they are 'assessing' information it has recently received in relation to the deaths of Princess Diana and Dodi Al Fayed
It is understood the information was passed to the Metropolitan Police through the Royal Military Police.
The letter says Soldier N claimed the SAS 'was behind Princess Diana's death' and it had been 'covered up', the Sunday People has reported.
A statement issued by Scotland Yard said: 'The Metropolitan Police Service is scoping information that has recently been received in relation to the deaths and assessing its relevance and credibility.
This is not a re-investigation and does not come under Operation Paget.'
Police said they are not prepared to discuss the matter further, while a royal spokeswoman said there will be no comment on the matter from Prince William or Prince Harry, or from Clarence House."
- R93. If any of that is true (that Diana was murdered by the British military), then how do the investigators account for the drunk driver speeding at 100 MPH through a tunnel being chased by the paparazzi that no one--not even the paparazzi knew that Diana would be driving through the night she died.
Sadly, she died as the result of a car accident caused by a drunk driver driving too fast because he was being pursued by paparazzi.
- She was murdered, face it, Charles wanted her silenced, along with the persian boy toy.
- R94, I don't know the truth; just posting interesting info. Comments by close followers of the accident raise many suspicions.
It was a little too convenient to the Palace for Diana to have died when she did. She's reputed to have told people that if she was killed in a car accident, not to believe it wasn't intentional.
On a boat trip with Dodi, Diana relayed to the paps to expect an important announcement in 3 weeks. She died 2 weeks later. There had been many quotes in the British press that the powers that be did not like Diana's involvement with Muslims.
They never did find the white car. The tunnel was quickly cleaned of evidence. Read the posts online for many more unsettling questions.
- because the driver was paid for the job. He may have had a glass or two but he was in no way fucked up drunk as his blood test later revealed. results can be altered.
Remember there was another car involved and they NEVER found the car! It was a white car.
- Probably the last we will hear about it.
- It was Roger McDowell on the gravelly road.
- R97 There is a fun little book written by Dan Rhodes that is a spoof on the white Fiat that was never located.
- Uhhh...no, R98. This one will grow and grow.
- Diana wasn't crazy. She knew she would never be queen and her close friends and butler, I believe she confided in him that she was going to be killed. Don't think they took her seriously.
- Of course there was a plot to have she and Dodi killed...
- I love r11.
- Both Diana and Princess Grace died in car crashes in France.
There MUST be some connection!
- Henri Paul (the driver) did not appear drunk on the Ritz CCTV , and no one thought he was. The french hospital ADMITTED they took blood from the WRONG corpse. Oops. The blood alcohol level suggested that (had it been Pauls) he would not have been able to walk, and I guess that might not have gone un-noticed.
So, conspiracy or not, there are mis-conceptions and admitted errors in this case. I never met Diana, so don't have an opinion about her.
- Dodi's father was hated by the royals and of course he was bragging to everybody that his son and diana was gonna get married. Of course now we know they weren't serious and all that but at the time, that's what the story was, the two of them in love and gonna get hitched etc.
- The driver of Diana's car was drunk. But even if he weren't drunk, he was driving 100 mph, and the car crashed into a post in the tunnel since Diana was being pursued by the paparazzi.
She wasn't murdered by anyone. She dies as a result of an unfortunate car accident.
- R108, you don't have all the facts, yes, the car was speeding but it was bumped by a white car which caused diana's car to crash, the car was travelling too fast to control and hit the pillar in the tunnel, while the white car sped away.
White car was NEVER found. That's why people think she was killed off.
- Oh yes the royal family most certainly wanted this one silenced. While watching the Panorama interview as it first aired in the UK I thought to myself, this is it girl. No more helicopter rides for you. Be very very careful.
I do believe Liz and Dick (uh.. Liz and Phil)would have found a way to off her eventually but she conveniently died in a tragic and too common type of accident.
Let's face it, the queen killed her indirectly anyway. If she'd had her title, her own security guards/driver..... well, it was not to be.
I once saw her in shorts and a t shirt walking alone to the kiosk near K Palace. Unbelievable.
- Princess Diana had security but she chose not to use them.
- r93, considering the source, I would take that with a grain of salt.
If true, it's extremely interesting. I've followed the Nightingale case since it started, and it was odd to say the least. Why he was put through the wringer for that offence, when people like Andy McNab have done much more damage to SAS secrecy is beyond me.
[quote]Is that supposedly why the FBI shot that guy down in FL? He knew that the Boston Bombers were also working with the FBI in addition to whomever they did the bombing for (an Islamic group)?
Unless NBC, or CBS, or the BBC reports it as truth I will never believe these things.
Our governments would NEVER lie or cover up anything like 9/11, or the death of Our English Rose, grandmother of the newest Prince of England!
- Oh for goodness sake - she was not murdered. Why would she be?
Before the crash, she was not the saintly beloved Diana she is now considered. The newspapers were all over her, yes, but the tone was Puritanical and disapproving: swanning about the Med posing in skimpy clothing, fucking yet another playboy, generally being a vulgar little no-knickers?
She was already destroying herself, losing any credibility she had gained with her "charidee" efforts. The fake was starting to tarnish the gold. She was an embarrassment, but you don't need to terminate embarrassments. She was doing fine all by herself - queen of hearts was becoming the queen of tarts, and any and all sympathy was with her sons, not her.
She didn't need to be killed, killing her would simply lead to endless conspiracy theories and turn a rather hysterical show off into a 'martyr'. Which is exactly what's happened.
You think that's a good outcome for these shadowy 'people behind the scenes'? Having her alive and making a laughing stock of herself was the ideal outcome for 'them'. Having her live and racket about Europe with sleazy Middle Eastern types would only cement the impression she was a slapper and an unfit mother and wife. It would increase Charles' credibility and rehabilitate Camilla sooner. Letting her live would have been the best strategy. Her death would have achieved only one thing: make her untouchable.
If she'd lived, she'd be doing a sex tape, living in LA and having Twitter flame wars with the Kardashians, in between carefully staged photo opportunities with a few land mine victims as props: arm around least mangled child, tilt head to one side, chin down, look up through eyelashes...
- R109 - the white car WAS found. It was burnt out with the body of a man inside. He apparently committed suicide - yeah, a usual method, and was someone from the media.
- It is on the front page of this morning's Guardian too, not just the tabloids.
I agree totally. I was a young girl when Diana married Charles and I always thought she was an embarrassment to our gender. I was a young girl from a poor background and I knew enough about history and politics to understand her role. With her family money and position surely she knew? How many of her ancestors gained wealth from providing royal favours? But it wasn't that which really pissed me off, what adult woman goes through life gazing up from under her fringe, using puppy eyes to get what she wants?
On the plus side, Dianagate has now put us in a position where William got to choose his own wife. Again as a child I can remember wondering if they checked to see if she was a virgin and worrying that the press would rip her to shreads if an old boyfriend turned up. Back then it would have mattered, not so much now.
- R117 Diana was 19 was became engaged to Charles. She wised up soon enough.
- Two years from now, if someone mentions this story, they'll be told it's only a DL meme and there was never anything in the press.
- Diana was a thorn in the monarchy's side, I am sure they were relieved she was gone from their lives, despite the portrayal in The Queen.
- Why is it so out of the question that The Firm would want to shut her up? Their sole purpose is to maintain that status quo
- "Oh for goodness sake - she was not murdered. Why would she be?"
Try reading the thread.
"She was already destroying herself."
Nonsense. She was gaining publicity with her land mines issue.
"You think that's a good outcome for these shadowy 'people behind the scenes'?"
You mean the Queen with her blood diamond that she proudly shows off and her husband with those Nazi sympathizer rumors? And the son who had his floozy sitting in one of the pews of his wedding to his wife? They don't strike me as people who use much common sense.
- R114, your argument is a tad simplistic. People and situations are much more complex than you think.
- the truth about MANY "mysteries" will astound you.
Too bad none of it will ever see the light of day.
- Weren't the French traffic cameras conveniently shut down at the time of the pursuit and accident?
- There is a Diana movie coming out in a matter of weeks, that stars Naomi Watts as Princess Diana. I saw photos of her shooting scenes where she was walking thru a field of landmines.
I agree with those who say a drunk driver crashed a car and the passengers died from not wearing seatbelts. Did the paparazzi provide a dangerous distraction and in some ways impede the driver, contributing to the crash? Yes, absolutely.
The problem with conspiracies is that they involve too many people and one has to depend on their silence. I believe Dodi's father has milked this tragedy for as long as he possibly can. He's obsessed long past the time for grieving.
It's pretty simple. The people who loved them, were infatuated with them, thought they lived this grand important life, cannot accept they are dead through recklessness. We need to infuse the deaths with some purpose. The truth of it doesn't suit the glamorous image we had.
- [quote]along with the persian boy toy
He was 42, and 6 years older than Diana at the time of their deaths. Hardly a "boy toy".
- Also, he not Persian but Egyptian. And the term is "toy boy."
- If they'd wanted to kill Diana on purpose, they'd have found a much easier, surer, cleaner way to do it. She was verging on embarrassing to them. Other than that, she was not important politically at all. She was a train wreck. I think at some point, for the boys' sakes, they'd have had a sit down with her. The glare of publicity is exactly what she courted. She compensated for her loss of status with all the publicity.
But there is this. Upon reflection, Diana's death was a very freeing event. With her gone, Charles could marry Camilla, the boys would have stability, and the grooming they needed for their pre-ordained career paths, and the entire image of the Royals could be restored to a respectable one. Heavens, even Fergie has calmed down as much as she is able, I mean, aside from her scams.
The thing to remember though, is that in another age, you have no idea at all of the complete mess that Princess Margaret and Antony Armstrong Jones caused. If Margaret were in her prime today, she'd make Diana and Price Harry look like amateurs.
Elizabeth knew, and "kept track" of Margaret for he family's sake, and so that she would not bring embarrassment or scandal to the family, but that was the only purpose for the "spying." It was more of a "mind she does no harm" kind of watchfulness. Call it spying if you want.
- Good grief! People die in car accidents all the time!
- r130 I believe that if Elizabeth had allowed Margaret to marry Peter Townsend, she wouldn't have become the "bad girl" she eventually did. Can you imagine the seething resentment Margaret had towards her sister? All she wanted was a marriage. She had to live through and be aware of all the silly AND sordid scandals that QEII's offspring perpetrated.
- This is a publicity stunt for the Naomi Watts movie....
- R21, the guard who lived testified at inquest that Henri Paul, the driver had had two alcoholic drinks before getting behind the wheel.
- Why is this coming out? You would think they would keep this quiet. And why now?
I know that movie is coming out. It is also odd that the Queen has invited Fergie to Balmoral just recently too. The royal family obviously knew about this for a while (before the media)
Also did anyone notice that when Kate brought her baby home from the hospital she wore almost the same style dress as Princess Diana did when she brought William home from the hospital in (a blue and white polka dot dress - very un-Kate). And every single thing Kate (or any royal) wears is thought out months in advance.
William has also just announced that his next official tour will be to Australia and he's bringing the baby. That's the same thing Diana did with William. Harry has recently done some charity work with the same landmine charity that his mother worked with. He toured areas in Angola just like his mother did. There are pictures and they are just like the pictures of his mother in Angola. He wore the same type of clothes too. I'm not a big conspiracy thinking person. It's obvious that William and Harry are not going to let their mother's memory fade into the past.
pic at link of Kate's dress and a picture of Princess Diana in a similar style dress
- R126, the white car that tapped Diana's car was seen by the paps at the time and widely reported. That wasn't made up.
OTOH, that soldier whose in-laws reported this sounds like a worthless piece of crap anyway. He could have easily been lying at the time.
But, it is possible that Phillip, for example, wanted her gone and no other royal family member knew about it. And all these things could have happened at the same time.
- R111 Diana did not have her own security guards - they were engaged by the Firm. They were spies for the Firm. Any one she tried to engage on her own was quickly summoned to B Palace.
The queen slowly but surely destroyed her. The Firm isolated her, spied on her, tapped her phones, leaked false stories about her to the tabloids, etc etc. They're a disgusting lot.
And that fucking Camilla with her tits around her knees. Whore.
- R109, R115, What do you think of this comment from The Daily Fail?
"I met a woman in OK Falls, BC who was selling her Diana collection at the Saturday morning market. She told me she'd just returned from Europe (Germany) and on her last day, a man was found. He was the driver of the white fiat. He'd been doused in gasoline and found burnt to a crisp in some bushes on the morning he was to testify and it had been written about in that morning's paper on the day before she left Germany."
- It's a little too convenient that it is Philip and not the Queen who allegedly ordered the hit, considering he has one foot in the grave.
- It's been suggested that many of the paps following Diana were in disguise. One writer made a statement afterwards that he didn't recognize most, and that they were very atypically aggressive. He was surprised that they quickly disappeared after the accident, rather than staying to take pics too.
- Has no one noticed that this latest sequence in the Diana Mystery Death was launched by the in-laws of someone in the military? It appears that his marriage is breaking up (or has already done so), so doesn't that impeach their position? Further, what would in-laws of some military man know about anything in the first place? They heard a rumor? Big deal. My puppy, Little Nemo, knows more about this than they do.
- [quote]Remember there was another car involved and they NEVER found the car! It was a white car.
I believe it was found burning on a median on Robertson Boulevard earlier this spring.
- I knew that it wasn't just an accident. I always thought something fishy was involved.
- The royal family was not damaged when a king abdicated to marry a divorced American. It was not damaged when same former king was seen palling around with Nazis. And no one seemed to care that his replacement bankrolled his lavish lifestyle in exchange for his silence regarding what else he knew about the family. If they could survive that, they certainly could have survived whatever someone who was no longer a senior member in good standing did, and they knew that. As far as her being a lose cannon goes: if every person in the royal family who fit that bill was killed, Princess Margaret would have been dead by 1960.
She died because she wasnt wearing her seat belt in a car driven by a drunk driver, something that happens everyday. And maybe thats what fuels the Diana conspiracy nuts. It just eats them up that she died in such a common and stupid manner.
- The mysterious Mr. James Andanson claimed he was at the scene in a white Fiat Uno and .
Sadly, he later "committed suicide" with two bullets of different calibres fired into his own head from different distances (one was shot at long range).
Then his body and car were completely incinerated, again, supposedly by his own hand. Strange how his vehicle was locked from the outside and the keys were never found.
- [quote]And the term is "toy boy."
No: in the United States, the term is "boy toy." And you are on a forum produced in the United States which has an overwhelmingly American following. So STFU, school marm.
- Comments from The Daily Fail are relevant.
"It was done by remote wireless device, used to accelerate the car without full control of the driver, and done by British intelligence service.
There was SAS involvement; there were many reports at the time suggesting a bright flash of light seconds before the impact.
The SAS were trained in Assassination using a very powerful beam torch. It was to be used on Slobodan Milosevic as he traveled home along a fast and narrow cliff top road. The training was completed but the hit was cancelled after progress was made politically. The ex-soldier does allegedly say that he could "throw new light on their deaths."
- Imagine the dramatic potential if all this were true, which it probably isn't.
- Diana wasn't the target, it was Dodi. His father stepped on a lot of people to get his fortune and it was payback time.
- Why another Princess Di movie after all this time?! Who cares?! I bet that Paki MD she was said to have stalked isn't too pleased with it.
- "she remained the mother of the future king. Marrying an Arab?"
Marrying an Arab? She had no intention of marrying Dodi Fayed. They barely knew each other, had only been seeing each other for a few weeks before they both died. She told a close friend at the time that she needed another marriage like "I need a bad rash on my face." Fayed's father has always tried to perpetuate the myth that Diana and Dodi were engaged; they weren't. She wasn't pregnant, either.
"The driver was never drunk...would a man like Dodi permit a drunk to drive him? Don't be ridiculous."
Are you fucking kidding? Dodi Fayed was an IDIOT. He was an uneducated, aimless, deadbeat aging playboy who was supported by Daddy. He taunted the photographers: "you won't catch us." It was HIS decision to have Henri Paul drive the car in which he and Diana attempted to ditch the photographers. And the toxicology reports proved that Henri Paul WAS drunk and under the influences of tranquilizers at the time of the accident.
- Diana had Obama's birth certificate with her when she was killed. It proved he was a muslim born in Kenya. The connections are scary.
- what is the new info? Is it what R147 is talking about?
- So on the chance that this guy might be telling the truth - who ordered it? I wouldn't imagine a Royal could order something like that? Tony Blair had no ax to grind with Diana. Who did he replace? He was new then.
- I'm all over this story!
- Apparently the Palace authorised it, R154. Blair hadn't been in office long and only found out about the operation afterwards. THEN he covered for MI6 and the Palace ("Duty comes first, Prime Minister!")
Supposedly Diana was about to blow the lid on Charles' bizarre sex life - no, not Camilla (that was already out there) but his gay dalliances with his valet. That could have been a death blow to the already-on-the-nose monarchy.
British military-industrial interests were threatened by Diana's anti-landmine campaign too. GB is one of the world's biggest arms manufacturers and exporters.
She was messing with business on two fronts.
- It's interesting this is all being dredged up again right in time for the promotion of her biopic.
- R156, Don't know either way but do you think if Charles was exposed as bi it would be that big a deal? I don't think that his youngest brother is 100% straight, and there have been tons of rumors about Andrew and his shipmates.
Besides Charles' valet, wasn't he caught with his shipmates as well? I heard a rumor that he was visiting an American ship, and was not at all discrete.
- No one commits suicide by dousing himself and his vehicle with gasoline, lights a fire, and then shoots himself with two different guns.
- Nobody was threatened by anything the half witted Di had to say about landmines or anything else. She was an academic failure whose only talent was manipulation. Her views weren't respected by anyone, her campaigning was self-aggrandising and absolutely not a threat to any business interest anywhere. Nobody took her seriously.
It's sad that she died young, leaving her sons to grieve at an early age. Even more sad that there's a whole industry grown up to cater for the hard of thinking who believe that everything must be a conspiracy. She was driven by a drunk driver with a history of addiction and erratic behavior. Her fuckwitted layabout boyfriend's father has hated the British establishment for years because they wouldn't let him join the ranks (even his "Al Fayed" bit in his surname is made up, it's a self-appointed grandiosity) and his hatred has now become an obsession. Has anyone here *seen* the monstrosity of a statue he put up in Harrods? Fucking awful. The old fakir keeps peddling the same old stories that it was murder, maybe to glss over the fact that he employed the drunkard who killed them.
In summary: she wasn't a threat, she wasn't important enough, she wasn't murdered.
Further astounding news just in: Bigfoot doesn't exist.
- Diana was a living nightmare for the Palace. They love control and she was a complete wild card, likely to say and do anything - preferably to exact revenge for her years of torment at the hands of The Firm.
On top of al the undeniable Camilla revelations, the scandal of Charles being gay/bi would surely have been the coup de grace for the Windsors' tawdry reputation with the general public in Britain at that time.
- r160, I agree with the fact that no one took her seriously, but I wouldn't discount her instability.
Not saying she was murdered, but I don't think she was completely harmless to the family and potentially the government.
- I don't know which is worse, the display at Harrod's or the enormous statue of Michael Jackson he erected outside Craven Cottage where Fulham (his soccer team)plays. Both equally garish in their own way.
- Another eyewitness to the "accident" and the malevolent involvement of the white Fiat Uno. She only came forward in 2004.
The Age is a highly-respected broadsheet newspaper in Australia, not given to (Murdoch) tabloid excess.
- R163 I had completely forgotten about the Craven Cottage insanity. Who in their right mind would install a statue of MJ outside a football stadium? It looks like the death mask for something from panet of the apes.
I don't know which is worse, the Dodi & Di hanging onto the legs of a poor bird struggling to get free, the Michael Jackson child-frightener or the Fayed statue of himself he has in Harrods - each equally baffling and bugnuts.
- [quote]It was done by remote wireless device, used to accelerate the car without full control of the driver
True. It also managed to overtake the steering wheel of the car and aim it to precisely hit a concrete column. In addition, it disengaged three out of the four sets of seat belts in the car. Also, it was used in combination with a animatronic cyborg which was an exact replica of the driver, programed to be seen by witnesses and security cameras drinking in not one, but two Paris bars.
- R166, My post summarizes online theories. Don't know if it's true or not.
- "In addition, it disengaged three out of the four sets of seat belts in the car."
A bridge too far, r166. Nobody ever claimed "conspiracy" over the unworn seat-belts.
- So, why HAS this become news now?
Answer: to discredit a new book, 'The Princess Diana Conspiracy' by Alan Power, that is coming out in two weeks.
The book apparently goes into great detail about 'The Increment", a top-secret SAS/SBS unit attached to MI6, and its involvement in the execution of Diana. The author gathered some information about this during the court martial of Sgt. Danny Nightingale in november last year, for illegal possession of a handgun.
One of the witnesses testifying for the prosecution at that trial was "Soldier N", a serving SAS member. The estranged parents-in-law of "Soldier N" then testified against HIM. As part of their evidence they also described how "Soldier N" had frequently boasted to them of his SAS unit's personal involvement in Diana's death.
This explosive evidence has been supposedly "investigated" by The Royal Military Police for the last NINE MONTHS but they have ONLY NOW decided to hand over the case to Scotland Yard, which has itself very publicly aired the claims.
So, the suggestions of suspicious timing about these allegations should be looked at in this context: it was the british security services themselves, not the book's author or publisher, who chose to expose these claims at this time, just two weeks before the publication of this new book.
No doubt Scotland Yard will quickly claim there is no foundation to all of it, thereby discrediting 'The Princess Diana Conspiracy'. It's like when firefighters conduct a controlled "back-burn" to starve an oncoming wildfire of fuel and, thus, destroy it.
She was murdered. Make no mistake about it.
- This conspiracy theory nonsense is really outrageous. The facts of the event simply do not bear out murder or conspiracy to murder. Neither Diana nor Dodi Al Fayed were murdered. Period.
People have built a cottage industry, they write books and capitalize on her popularity, and exploit the prurient interest of the general public concerning plots and scandals, but it's all bullshit.
I guess, since there's a market for the tabloids, for stories about babies born with two heads, and UFOs, there's a market for the "Diana was murdered" crowd. What can you say about people who revere her to the point of obsession. What small, empty, foolish lives they must live.
You'll recall when they removed Diana from the car, she was alive. The impact was such that her injuries were fatal. If they wanted to kill her, they had other opportunities and it could've been done much cleaner, without more than a dozen photographers as witnesses, as well as others members of the public.
- R169, Here is a link to Power's book. Do you know anything about the author?
- A few highlights from Power's book.
- [quote] Nobody was threatened by anything the half witted Di had to say about landmines or anything else. She was an academic failure whose only talent was manipulation. Her views weren't respected by anyone, her campaigning was self-aggrandising and absolutely not a threat to any business interest anywhere. Nobody took her seriously
I don't think she was killed because of anything she knew or had to say. I don't know if she was murdered or not, but there was a big uproar about the landmines. There are British companies that manufacture landmines. They are owned by wealthy powerful people who were extremely angry at her for bringing this up to the world wide public. I didn't know about landmines before Princess Diana. Most people probably didn't either
- The following article has other highlights from Powers' book. What are Charles sexual peccadilloes that Diana threatened to reveal? Would that really have prevented him from being King in due time?
- Beheading is sooo 17th century...
- With all these conspiracy theories, some of you sound like whacko Dodi's father trying to perpetuate a romance between Diana and Dodi that was going to end when the summer ended.
The truth is Diana died as the result of her driver driving drunk and speeding through a tunnel whose car crashed while being chased by paparazzi.
Sad and tragic, and I wish Diana were still alive, but the cause of her death is very simple.
- The secret remote control accelerator was driven by none other than Lady Camilla Parker-Bowles. She also had a view of the whole thing from a close-circuit TV camera mounted onto the helmet of one of the paperazzi. She had things rigged so that her voice was piped into the car at the very end in order to let Diana know exactly who was going to kill her: "It's the Rottweiler!," she gloated, "And now I'm afraid it's about time for you to go just a little bit faster... to your assured destruction!! And I'm afraid this means that *I* will get the boys and all the tiaras now... now, and forever!!" And then evilly cackling, she pressed the accelerator onward until the car met its doom.
- Not all conspiracies are merely theoretical.
I'm generally a sceptic myself but there ARE actually such things as conspiracies. For example, the Watergate break-in and subsequent cover-up was a conspiracy. The manufacturing of a fake pretext for the second Gulf War was a conspiracy (non-existent WMDs). The rigging of electronic voting machines in the U.S. is an ongoing conspiracy. Funny, these are all Republican party conspiracies!
When security services, political parties or well-funded lobby groups are implicated in them then there is a high likelihood that "spin doctors" (or their internet equivalent: sockpuppets) will be employed to distort, distract or generally sabotage debate, hoping to cover the tracks of their masters' malfeasance.
They label everything a "Conspiracy Theory" and then invoke names like JFK, Bigfoot, Elvis, UFOs etc. You see it on many threads here on DL and is just par for the course in this brave new world of internet anonymity.
They love to talk about anything - except the evidence.
- R145, you are so full of shit. NO where was it ever stated that he was shot with 2 different caliber bullets or your bullshit about the keys. FUCK YOU!
- I wonder if the two princes ever have doubts about the way their mother died?
- A little invested in this aren't you, R179, hmm?
Your "reasonable" tone deserves an answer in kind: fuck you and the horse you rode in on. Why don't you get a real job instead of the one you have being a pathetic disinformation goon? Have you even read '1984', Winston Smith?
Actually, I'll admit I was confused when
i stated James Andanson was shot with two bullets of differing calibre: that detail was mentioned in relation to a different murder that James Andanson was himself implicated in. Peculiar life that millionaire paparazzo lead, huh? Peculiar and brief.
However, a fireman who attended the scene of Andanson's supposed suicide claimed he saw two bullet holes in the dead man's skull. As no-one else ever investigated this aspect of the case the calibres of those two bullets are unknown.
Remember: he supposedly doused himself with gasoline and then burnt himself to death inside his locked car. One report said that his nearly-disintegrated body was sitting in quiet repose with arms folded. That's quite an amazing feat of stoic forbearance for a person being burned alive. No wriggling?
Oh yes, and the keys to his vehicle were never found, fuckwit!
- Just in time to promote that stinkaroo, "Diana" about to bomb theaters.
- I always thought it was Prince Philip that ordered the hit and now it's beginning to look more and more like it.
- I agree, R183. And Harry is his kid, too. Check out the resemblance. Spitting image.
- R179, There have been many published reports in various media implying that the driver of the white car could not have committed suicide as initially reported, because of the evidence. Shall I post other sources?
My objective on many DL threads is to report different online theories. That doesn't mean I always agree with everything I post; just want to open up the discussion to gather knowledgeable input.
I don't believe Diana was in love with Dodi, or considered him anything more than a temporary distraction. Still the growing pap attention did not reflect well on British Royalty. The Pakistani heart surgeon was of far better character, although he was not interested in marrying her either.
Still would like to explore the hint of Charles' peccadilloes. Would evidence of bisexuality ruin his chances of ever being King?
- R184, Who are you claiming to be Harry's father?
- Ridiculous. No conspiracy is needed other than the conspiracy of the people managing the Windsors to keep Diana in the dark from the start about her actual role and position. Meaning, acceptable breeder. That she naively thought Charles had any real affection for her was the root of everything.
She was a naif raised on romance novels who thought she was to be a fairy tale princess, not that her husband would behave as many other royals. She didn't know he would keep a mistress, which in retrospect was silly. And it was his fault, and the fault of the staff.
Once she got through her horror, after suffering the isolation of being the royal brood mare, she got her own back by manipulating the press and public. But by then her underlying disorders took hold, and she threw herself into inappropriate settings and relationships, leading to a night when she sat with an Egyptian in Paris with a drunken driver chased by paparazzi.
Any suggestions that she was murdered are in line with the "Tower 7 blown up" theories. Foolish and pointless. Diana had no damaging information, and wouldn't have used it if she did - she had her sons to consider, and in everything she never crossed her ex-mother-in-law - she was, after all, still a good British girl in there. And the British government and various agencies had more to gain by allowing her to destroy her reputation and legacy, which she was well on the way to doing.
- r181 scares me.
- R187, Charles should have appointed Diana a full-time adviser, guide, and possibly very discrete lover, all rolled into one, to manage her public and private life. Even more crucial after her separation and divorce, in dealing with the publicity hungry sharks, users, and playboys.
- R186, Harry's resemblance to his grandfather Philip is quite striking. Just saying.
- R190, Do you really think Philip and Diana had an affair?
- Interesting comment from an online article.
"The editor of a major newspaper was interviewed. His home was raided after her death, and his computer and documents were stolen. He believes that the raid was carried out by the Security Services in order to confiscate evidence, as they believed French journalists has sent him photographs."
- In the film The Queen, it was implied that Prince Phillip may have demanded a hit or her...the old Nazi would have done something like that, IMO.
- "The Queen" you were looking at, R193, must have been in your mirror. There is no such implication in the film you mention.
- Hey Brits, feast your eyes on this.
- Diana was the most beloved human being in all of history.
- OMG r184, I look exactly like my paternal grandfather, who died before I was born. He must have come back from the dead and fucked my mother. It's a conspiracy!
- R197, At least you resemble your grandfather. I look so completely different that everyone, relatives and strangers alike, are convinced that I'm adopted.
- I knew a girl that looked like none of her family. I knew that either she was adopted or her mother had sex(rape?) with a Mexican man, when they were working in Mexico. Of course no one ever mentioned it. The whole family were "real" blonds and blue eyed, she had dark skin, brown eyes and beautiful dark hair. You would think that she might question it.
- There is nothing at all blown up about the Tower 7 situation. There was no reason why it should have collapsed, no reason at all.
- Diana is dead and not dead. I have heard that Diana was being pursued by a gang of vampires who wanted to make her their vampire queen.
- Harry looks almost exactly like one of Diana's lovers and he looks nothing like Charles or William.
- But he looks a LOT like Philip. Check out pics of Philip when he was a young man.
- R201, your witless posts (also at R1, R3 and R152) indicate to me you're a stranger to these parts.
I think you're a sockpuppet.
I also think you're not a very good one.
Don't you "fucktards" (a word much beloved by your kind) realize that the way you keep drawing attention to yourselves only gives more credence to those very arguments you're trying so ineptly to derail?
The constant dumb buzzing of troll blowflies like you around Diana's corpse makes me think that there is indeed something rotten about the way she died.
Why else would your employers have made this topic a priority for a campaign of disinformation?
- "The constant dumb buzzing of troll blowflies like you around Diana's corpse"
We can't get to her corpse. It's buried on a private island....... fucktard.
- Is tomorrow the anniversary of her death?
- R187, Diana knew before the wedding that Charles was not in love with her nor was she in love with him. She believed being a princess would be enough and it wasn't. It killed her to her very core that Charles and Camilla really loved each other. Something she never had.
- The little white car was the answer.
- I think she was young and thought she could get Charles to fall in love with her but she simply wasn't his type.
- any more info?
- Maybe David Frost has left behind evidence incriminating Philip which was to be opened at the event of his untimely death?