Gay Couple Holding Hands Attacked While Leaving Manhattan Movie Theater
[bold]A group of men yelled anti-gay slurs and beat them[/bold]
Two gay men who were holding hands as they left a movie theater in Chelsea were attacked by a group of men who hurled anti-gay slurs, and one was hurt so badly he needed seven stitches on his face.
Police say the two men had left the Chelsea Cinemas just after midnight early Wednesday when they were confronted by two men on West 24th Street.
One said "what are you looking at, you f------." The attackers then started punching the victims while hurling anti-gay slurs. Police say four more men approached, who were believed to be friends of the suspects, and joined in the assault.
The victims were both taken to the hospital; one needed stitches on his chin and the other was treated for a shoulder injury.
The NYPD Hate Crimes Task Force is investigating.
After a series of anti-gay attacks in the spring, including the fatal shooting of a man in Greenwich Village, thousands rallied to denounce the violence.
"First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win."
We're at the fighting stage.
I don't want to rally; I want to kill the gay-bashers.
I've become them.
Reaction is not the same as action, R3. You're not them.
Is Pooty Poot in town? Maybe some of his people did it.
R3: Every member of the LGBT community needs a firearm. Homophobes will stop at nothing to see us systematically wiped off the face of the Earth, and in a situation like this, you can't always count on the police to come in time to stop it before the victims incur fatal injuries. In some places, the police are part of the problem.
This took place literally steps from my front door. Totally freaky.
I hope they castrate the monsters who did this.
New York is a repug town.
R6, that's not a great solution for NYC because the concealed-firearm laws are (rightfully, in my opinion) draconian. It's worth saying that by-and-large NYC is still very safe to be a visibly gay man or woman.
"It's worth saying that by-and-large NYC is still very safe to be a visibly gay man or woman."
With over 25 incidents of violent homophobic crime this year alone, one of which was cold-blooded murder, I tend to disagree. I've lived here my whole adult life and this is the worst I've seen it.
R10, I agree that it's upsetting, but statistically it's still very safe here.
R9: Nobody in this situation had a gun, and the victims obviously didn't expect to be attacked in Chelsea, of all places. Why would the attackers be in Chelsea in the first place unless they were deliberately seeking to demean, insult and/or physically harm a gay person?
European countries have even more draconian gun laws, and they've been having problems with gay bashing, too.
Point is: gay bashers must be stopped, and it's our responsibility to stop it. If we must use lethal force, so be it.
I am sure if there were as many anti-gay hate crimes taking place in some town in the middle of the country as there were in the last three months in or near Chelsea, my own neighborhood, people on DL would be screaming about how horrible people are there.
This effectively neuters all the boasting of gay New Yorkers on this site.
[quote]This effectively neuters all the boasting of gay New Yorkers on this site.
Boy! and HOW!
Those New Yorkers better shut the fuck up from now on or some of us will have several livewire links to confront them with.
[quote][R3]: Every member of the LGBT community needs a firearm. Homophobes will stop at nothing to see us systematically wiped off the face of the Earth, and in a situation like this, you can't always count on the police to come in time to stop it before the victims incur fatal injuries. In some places, the police are part of the problem.
Yeah, huh. Get going loon.
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There's nothing you can't do
Now you're in New York
These street will make you feel brand new
Big lights will inspire you
If R15 was attempting to satirize 'flyovers', he did an amazingly poor job. New York can't claim to be the 'best' and most 'enlightened' when it continues to allow gay men to be hurt this way.
Bunch of cowards. I swear if I see them one of them will be put in a coma. I wish death on people who attack our community. Attacked in chelsea???? WTF?
Own it, New York. You still have a lot of work to do, as does every other city.
R16 thinks wishes and unicorn farts can make homophobia go away.
R21 = an idiot who thinks more guns, fear, and violence actually solves problems.
R22: If by "problems," you mean "homophobic pig fuckers being allowed to share the same plane of existence as civilized human beings," then yes, guns and violence will solve that. Just as it solved the problems of slavery and Nazism.
Imagine what a few well-armed Russian gays could do right about now.
[quote]Imagine what a few well-armed Russian gays could do right about now.
Get dead real quick, and help reinforce the propaganda that gays are dangerous and society needs to snuff them out?
R24: Even without guns, that propaganda still exists. And with or without guns they're the ones attacking us using the most dangerous weapon of all as justification: religion.
Gay bashers must be killed. Nonviolence doesn't work against an enemy without a conscience, and we can no longer afford to be passive. Violence against our oppressors is the answer.
[quote]With over 25 incidents of violent homophobic crime this year alone, one of which was cold-blooded murder, I tend to disagree. I've lived here my whole adult life and this is the worst I've seen it.
Meanwhile, here in Houston, the fourth-largest city in America and presided over by a lesbian mayor, we haven't had a single gay-bashing crime in recent memory, even though our Montrose gayborhood is one of the largest in the country. Now: what was that you New Yorker harpies were braying again about how much Texas sucks and is filled with evil homophobes?
R26: And to anyone else who believes red states hold a monopoly on homophobia, I never got called a "fag" or a "faggot" as an adult until I moved to California.
R12, getting caught with a concealed handgun in NYC is no joke--it's a potential life ruiner, in fact. Buying and carrying guns is simply not an option in NYC. The problems have to be addressed another way.
Also, Chelsea's more straight than gay at this point, especially further west where the attack took place. There's a lot of straight nightlife in that direction, so they weren't necessarily there just to bash. Potential bashers can find visibly gay people anywhere to jump, including the Bronx and Queen.
R12: How about repealing those handgun laws? They're part of the problem.
[R28]: You think that was west and Chelsea is more straight than gay? I don't think you know Chelsea.
Who cares about the gun laws? Just carry. You're not going to get stopped. Better to be armed than sorry.
Why isn't this being reported for what it is, a hate crime committed by black and Dominican thugs?
I live here, I know who the people are who're killing and attacking people in the gay community. If these were crime perpetrated by any other group, the media would identify them. Instead, it's taboo to mention that the levels of hate and homophobia in large pockets of the African American and Dominican communities of New York City which is now so potent, it's beginning to translate into both murders and violent attacks.
Many Dominican's are just plain nasty.
New York is a nasty homophobe filled concrete jungle.
[quote]Why isn't this being reported for what it is, a hate crime committed by black and Dominican thugs?
What was the POS who killed the black guy in the Village a couple months ago? I can't remember.
This is truly getting out of hand.
But I thought the NYC Dlers love the Dominican men and their huge uncut pingas. Now they are thugs? Make up your mind.
"getting caught with a concealed handgun in NYC is no joke--"
So wear it in an open holster.
R26, other cities have less foot traffic where creeps can run across victims like here in NY.
Not that it excuses anything, but with so few people in cars, at least relatively, there's more chance for volatility with people on foot.
It's true, it's the black and Dominican thugs who are doing these crimes. The media will not say it for fear of being un-pc.
Where do you live R7? I live on w24th as well. We're neighbors.
I can't believe it happened on this block, so close to home. Although with the projects right around the corner on 25th, this block has always seemed like a buffer.
I just get the feeling that attacking gays has now become part of some kind of initiation for these young kids. And if you're going to attack gays, you are either going to go to Chelsea or the village. Gays are easy targets. My boyfriend and I rarely walk hand in hand, but this could have very easily been us just walking back home from somewhere.
This is some video footage I got early this AM, on my way to the gym - Christine Quinn walking and talking with the couple. I don't recognize them, but I assume they live in London Terrace with about a million other people.
Hey, fuckface R30? Did you even read the article? The assault happened between 9th and 10th. You were saying, fuckface?
Maybe if these couples would stop flaunting it in our faces then they wouldn't be attacked.
There are plenty of projects near Chelsea and they are filled with homophobic thugs.
[quote]Although with the projects right around the corner on 25th...
So this area is supposed to be so "safe" yet it took 41 posts for someone to mention this?!
R45, and projects down at 19th Street too. Gay men wouldn't walk across 9th to 10th in the high teens until the mid-90's or later.
R42, London Terrace's nick name is the Fashion Projects. The area is very, very gay.
Where can you buy pepper spray? Years ago I used to carry it on me at all times. I bought it at a check cashing place maybe 10 years ago. I don't see it sold anywhere anymore.
R45, there's housing projects in almost every neighborhood of NYC, even expensive ones (there's some right behind Lincoln Center actually). New York has safe blocks and unsafe blocks. Just the way it is.
Why do some gay men hate it when other groups stereotype them yet they love to stereotype other groups? The racists idiots on here are probably going to be on craigslist later tonight looking for big cock and dominant tops. If they can't get it, they'll pay for it.
It's also telling how negative some of you are. Like an earlier posters stated: "First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win."
The homophobes are losing but they are throwing a major tantrum on the way out. Defend yourself in whatever way you think is best and hold on, cause the ride to equal rights is bumpy and we're on it at high speed.
most of you bitches need to be face-slapped
R47, In New York State, pepper spray can only be sold by specialized dealers and you can't have it shipped to you. I have some, but it was bought in another state (which is also illegal, oops). The link has a search function to locate places that sell a specific brand of pepper spray.
I don't know Chelsea that well, but it's not entirely straight. There are bars and restaurants that have straight clientele.
Oops, meant to say Chelsea is not entirely gay. Obviously Chelsea is not that straight.
[quote]there's housing projects in almost every neighborhood of NYC, even expensive ones (there's some right behind Lincoln Center actually). New York has safe blocks and unsafe blocks. Just the way it is.
Nothing like a GOVERNMENT housing project to ruin a neighborhood.
Can't wait for Obamacare!
Nothing like a rabid republiturd make false equivalencies!
Damn, I wanted to be the one who wrote a racist bait post about how the attackers were either black or Dominican. I mean, what do you expect when white bottom queens constantly demand black and Dominican men to blow their backs out without any sort of consideration for their feelings. Of course the lessers will retaliate somehow.
"Other cities have less foot traffic where creeps can run across victims like here in NY. Not that it excuses anything, but with so few people in cars, at least relatively, there's more chance for volatility with people on foot."
Good point, R39.
R49: I've said it before and I'll say it again: it is not, I repeat, NOT racist to insult an oppressor class. We gays have the right to call our oppressors whatever the hell we want.
It's only going to get worse!!
r53 is right! Ghetto blacks ruin communities
We can thank the hateful religious community for this.
O M G at people calling inner-city black and Dominican men an "oppressor class." ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME? There's not a "Mary!" loud enough to sufficiently mock that insanity.
R61: What else would you call widespread homophobia and violence against us? It is systematic oppression, and they justify it in the name of their religious beliefs. For that reason, they are our oppressors.
OMG, I was just in Chelsea last year. It could have been me.
Chelsea is not really all that gay anymore--not the Chelsea from the 90's and 9th & 24th is right by the projects
And not a peep out of Bloomberg because A) he's not running for re-election and B) he's too busy stalking 7-11s trying to ban Big Gulps.
[quote]New York can't claim to be the 'best' and most 'enlightened' when it continues to allow gay men to be hurt this way
Actually, it probably can. And, I don't live there.
Frank Bruni of the NY Times said that he is deathly afraid of holding hands with his partner on the streets of Manhattan.
It's time for the gays to start bashing back en masse. That means retaliations for gay bashing and anti-gay legislation.
Good idea, R68! So, New Yorkers, the next time you are chowing down on uncut Dominican pinga,which ( if DL is to be believed) most of you do daily, bite it...hard. That'll be a start.
Gimme a break, R69. I am not advocating premeditated murder or indiscriminately targeting people for attacks. I am merely suggesting that gays have a right to self-defense, pointing out how a gun can be a useful tool to that end.
"It's true, it's the black and Dominican thugs who are doing these crimes."
No. They were all chased out of Manhattan to make room for the wealthy white elite.
How's that working out for you?
R62, et al., based on your comments I suspect that you feel very helpless in your life. You also don't make a coherent argument, let alone a practical one. And what the hell does "retaliations" mean in R68? Going to Dominican neighborhoods and shooting the place up? Get some help. The world will be a lot less scary and you'll be a lot less rageful if you become more actualized.
Prove both assertions, R66.
r49, the problem is that many stereotypes, as Keenan Ivory Wayans said, contain an element of truth.
The problem to me is not that people are being called out for being ratchet, it's that every single black person in a racist's mind is at that level. The immediate expectation of AAs is ghetto related.
I personally think it's more of a cultural issue than a strictly racial one, but I see the poster's point.
Bring back the Pink Panthers from the '80s. Seriously, they worked in L.A. after a rash of gay bashing assholes -- a big group of gay men and,I assume, women who patrolled the danger areas. I loved the idea of High Profile Fighting Back. And it did seem to work too.
Are the projects in Chelsea primarily for gay blacks? If so, why is there an issue?
Yes, the New York City Housing Authority asks applicants if they are gay and assigns them to public housing in gay neighborhoods.
r71 so the 640,000 people living in housing projects in Manhattan are wealthy white people?
To the poster advocating carrying, don't you think that would be a dangerous escalation?
Also, one man with a gun is not necessarily going to manage to take out several assailants if he gets swarmed.
I also don't see e-ffeminates packing. Sorry to be a cunt, but come on...
I understand that NYC's concealed carry laws are very, very strict. Would they even give gay men a permit over less than a dozen instances of gay bashing? (I'm not implying they shouldn't--just wondering.)
Gus Rosendale (the reporter) is kind of hottish. Who's his bf?
R49, I like how you think. I didn't stop and think about the 'first they ignore you' thing the first time I read it, but the way you put it made it resonate.
R43, I hope you die soon.
I realize wanting to kill or maim gay-bashers isn't the same as doing actual violence, but I don't like being filled with this level of hatred. It's difficult not to, however, because for me, anyway, there's an accumulation of fury and loathing with every incident, even though the violent attacks are perpetrated by individuals.
Russia is in there, too, making me an angrier person than I prefer to be.
R49's outlook actually does help, so thank you.
[quote]Bring back the Pink Panthers from the '80s. Seriously, they worked in L.A. after a rash of gay bashing assholes -- a big group of gay men and,I assume, women who patrolled the danger areas. I loved the idea of High Profile Fighting Back. And it did seem to work too.
We were pretty much sued out of existence by MGM for trademark infringement (the Pink Panther is their property), despite our actually taking inspirations from the black panthers, not a cartoon character. Nice to be remembered, though.
But, I thought gays were assimilating in straight culture?
Isn't 'pink panthers' a rather twee moniker?
[quote]Isn't 'pink panthers' a rather twee moniker?
"Panthers" had been used by other communities, and was based on that. Though I don't expect someone who sniffs about a "twee moniker" to imagine that anyone might be referencing something other than garbage culture.
You were appreciated, R82. Wish folks were that active now.