The murder rate fell DRAMATICALLY before Stop and Frisk, and has fallen only INCREMENTALLY since. It's a dumb and dishonest argument.
Of course there's always the fact that we DO retain a RIGHT granted by The Constitution against illegal searches and seizures ! Period! I mean, it would certainly be SAFER to strip search every person who came into the bank, that way the gun toting thieves would be caught! That's the reason Stop and Frisk assholes are using!
Stop and Frisk is UNCONSTITUTIONAL!
So we can't act as if simply allowing it is a solution, it isn't.
Here's the other part that I find bizarre. the proponents of Stop and Frisk always tell us the same thing, "Oh, no need to worry, 90% of the people we stop and frisk haven't committed any crime! I imagine they want us to think it will be interpreted as a lack of racial bias, when instead it loudly announces that the NYPD is wasting THOUSANDS of hours a month on police activity that has negligible results! I mean, if you did something and got this lousy a rate of return, wouldn't you quit doing it immediately?