"BROADCHURCH": Sensational New BBC Whodunnit On BBC America
Anyone else watching?
Please, UK DLers DO NOT SPOIL THE ENDING FOR US!
I watched tonight. Loved it. I can't wait for them to touch on each of the characters that they flashed on the screen at the end. Looking forward to see how the detective's son ties into the mystery. Looks very promising.
Really? I find BBC America unwatchable. Copper is dull, dull, dull.
It was fantastic!
One of the US networks (forgot which one) secured the rights and will debut the US version of Broadchurch to compete with Under the Dome in the summer of 2014
Fox are making a US version, which will probably be terrible. Broadchurch is made by ITV, the main commercial channel in the UK. BBCA bought the rights to air it, but it's not a BBC show.
Good for David Tennant that he's landed a hit. His post-Doctor Who career, with the exception of his Shakespeare theatre work, has been really unfortunate. He's a nice guy and a great actor and he deserves a hit.
BBC America is so censored and dumbed down for middle America's tastes that it is virtually unwatchable. There are tons more interesting British shows floating around the web. TONS.
I watched the whole series back in the Spring when it was on ITV, and found it disappointing. Trying hard to emulate the Danish series like Forbrydelsen and Bron/Broen, but falling short somehow.
And I wanted to love it because I adore David Tennant and and enjoyed Olivia Colman on Peep Show. Colman did do well in a serious role, I am so used to her as Sophie.
R6, "Luther" airs on BBC America, and it's neither dumbed down nor censored (and way better than "Broadchurch").
I prefer Annika Bengzstrom on MHZ.
It's ok so far. I don't really understand the appeal of David Tennant - he looks a bit rodent-like.
R6 - what are some shows you recommend then? Especially in the crime/thriller genre (I hate sci-fi)
My cable provider doesn't carry BBC America On Demand (just the regular channel) so I'm trying to get caught up so I can get into the rotation. After MUCH searching (I have Hulu Plus, Amazon Prime and Netflix) I was finally able to find the first episode for free download on iTunes, but Episode 2 requires a purchase. Does anyone know if/when the second ep will be available for viewing somewhere on line? Apparently BBCA doesn't repeat their stuff into oblivion like most cable channels.
I watched it online and enjoyed it. It is better than most typical American fare.
I want to know more about the hot father of the murdered boy.
Fox wants the US version of Broadchurch to go Head-to-head with CBS Under The Dome in the summer of 2014
The guy who plays Olly (the reporter) is ultra-hot.
The victims family is the worst part of the show. I've only seen the first show, but I hope they move away from them as soon as possible.
I've seen the whole series so here are my views on it. No spoilers of the criminal(s) but I tell pretty frankly what I thought of the show, and it may be a downer to some who want to enjoy it. And this is of course only my opinion.
Unfortunately in the end of the series I felt like my time had been majorly wasted. They drag it on for too long with material that was maybe good for a maybe 2-3 episode mini series.
Of course you get more invested and get more into the atmosphere when you spend more time watching a life going on in that village and get to spend more time with the characters, but in the end I wondered if it was worth it. The song at the end is nice, and the characters are sort of nice, but 8 hours with them is far too much. The characters don't really develop during the series, you just see them more than in a shorter series.
Somehow I felt like the show was softened to make it viewable for the whole family, and the ending especially felt like that. I do however see certain freshness in it and possibly see what they wanted to achieve with it, but personally I get lot more from an episode of the new Miss Marples that packs into 1,5 hrs something much more potent than Broadchurch packs into 8 episodes. Perhaps I'm just pissed that Broadchurch wasn't hardcore.
The word that first comes to mind from Broadchurch is mediocre; the second is disappointing.
I finally broke down and paid $2.99 to watch ep 2 on iTunes. It's not a big deal, really, but I don't like watching TV shows or movies on my computer. But apparently there's no way to convert or stream the iTunes DRM-protected stuff to a TV. And I guess I could've gotten it through Amazon streaming and watched it on the TV, but my set doesn't support closed captioning, which I find helpful with British shows. Oh well, at least I'm caught up and can start watching it on regular TV from now on.
Is that plumber's assistant in love with his boss (Danny's dad)?
On episode 4 and don't understand then fuss. I like the lead woman detective. I knew I have seen the mother before she played Venus in Venus. She looked much better plumb...
This thread scares me you know someone will spoil it..
Usually the killer it the least likely. That rules out the priest, the father, the grumpy old man and the strange middle-aged woman who is always hanging around. I also don't think it is then friend who is eager to please the father who I assume burned down the boat.
That leaves the mother, the son of the woman detective or David TenNant....
The detectives husband did it. Pedophile. Seriously.
This program struck me as a poor-man's THE KILLING (and I'm talking about the U.S. version).
Of the three shows I've watched on BBC America, only LUTHER is worth watching, and that's primarily due to Idris Elba and the fabulous Ruth Wilson.
Gave up on both BROADCHURCH and ORPHAN BLACK after a few episodes each. The first was too much like THE KILLING and the second one was just idiotic.
I would be furious with R23 for the spoiler, assuming it's true, except it's not a bad theory.
for r12 . . . With the purchase of an Apple TV box (about one hundred dollars) you connect that to your TV, and anything on your iTunes can be played on the TV.
[quote]Please, UK DLers DO NOT SPOIL THE ENDING FOR US!
We won't so long as you don't post spoilers of your shows. :D Actually I don't think spoilers are really posted here.. you just don't click in the threads.
The only way a spoiler would really be posted is if someone says it in a thread title, otherwise you can avoid it.. those are the worst and people on Imdb boards used to do it - not specialized boards for the film which you'd expect, but the general boards.
It's difficult for me to avoid stuff about Breaking Bad here and I can't even torrent it easily as The Pirate Bay is banned in the UK, my ISP even blocks the proxies, I could bypass it for a while.
Haven't seen Broadchurch yet but it was a huge hit.
[quote]enjoyed Olivia Colman on Peep Show. Colman did do well in a serious role, I am so used to her as Sophie.
And she won a double BAFTA TV award for both the drama and comedy categories, didn't she? About time she was recognized, her performance in the film Tyrannosaur is amazing and about the best of that year.
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I stopped watching after 3 episodes. It was pretty boring and I didn't really care to find out what happened to the kid.
I tried Luther, but I thought the first episode was incredibly cheesy. I thought British tv was supposed to be better than ours in the US, but haven't found anything that comes close to a show like Breaking Bad.
Love it even though it's exactly like The Killing. I'll continue to watch but I guessed who did it by the 3rd episode. Olivia Colman is great. Loved her as the mother on Beautiful People.
R31, I watched the first season of Luther and found it stupid beyond belief. Idris Elba's character annoyed the hell out of me, and almost nothing that happened in the series was believable, which is a big problem if you try to get sucked in to the story. I don't understand why it has so many fans.
Even though I didn't like Broadchurch its story still was done fairly believably when compared to Luther.
What is the significance of the newspaper vendor reading "Jude, The Obscure"?
It must mean something, as the lead detective's name is "Hardy".
I made the mistake of checking out the show on Wikipedia and they threw in the name of the murderer in an unexpected place so…I'm still watching just to see if they start giving clues but so far not. I love all these British shows.
Fantastic show! Watched the whole thing online, and felt the end was worth the wait.
[quote]The guy who plays Olly (the reporter) is ultra-hot.
You get to see his cute little hairy butt.
I also got the totally unexpected Wikipedia spoiler. Fuckers.
But I'll still continue to watch.
BTW - any Brits familiar with that stretch of shoreline? Is it Somerset? Looks beautiful.
It's her husband. Right under her eyes.
It was filmed in West Bay in Dorset.
There's actually a massive fight going on on that Wikipedia page over where the spoiler should go. Some editors are really throwing their toys out of the pram insisting that the spoiler should go as high up on the page as possible, because "Wiki policy is not to be spoiler-free!!" So childish.
Its not BBC, its commercial television, so episodes are structured for commercial breaks and a cliff-hanger at end of each episode. It is though curiously gripping - they strung it out for 8 weeks here in the UK, and we were all waiting to know - the ending is quite satisfying too.
I just didn't buy skinny David Tennant as the police inspector in charge of the investigation. He is quite irritating. There are obvious red herrings but Olivia Colman is simply stunning. What an actress, we already knew her as a comedienne but she is marvellous here.
Olivia Colman is brilliant in Broadchurch. And she's won Numberwang!
I've never heard of Olivia Colman before but she is brilliant in this.
I thought it was an amazing series. Very realistic portrayal of what the victim's family was going through.
Still not sure why the kid was arguing with the postman.
Can someone explain what "SOCO" is? It seems like (based on the context) it's some sort of lab or forensics thing, but what do the letters stand for? I'm assuming it must be common knowledge to the UK audience.
Scene Of Crime Officer - I think they're called Crime Scene Investigators in the US.
This show just gives and gives.
Pauline Quirke is brilliant. Poor Susan. And Nigel crying hot tears while reading about his birth family... incredibly touching.
I was pretty pissed off before, about the spoiler in this thread, but now that I know it's pretty obvious who the killer is. Still, I cannot wait to see how it's revealed and what everyone's reaction is. I foresee high drama!
Last nights episode ended with the daughters boyfriend saying something about Nigel and Danny and "animals". I had a hard time understanding their words/accents and my closed captioning doesn't work on BBC America, for some reason. The scene showed the parents and daughter getting really thoughtful looks on their faces, like they were having second thoughts about Nigel's trustworthiness.
Can someone please clear up with he said.
The daughter's boyfriend lives on the farm where Danny, Nigel, Tom and Joe would go hunting. The boyfriend thought Danny's parents knew about this activity; they did not. Though they may be having suspicions about Nigel right now, surely this will turn out to do more with Joe.
Nigel also mentioned something about stealing pheasants when he was in police custody; I have a hunch the blood on Danny's hands they show every week will actually turn out to be pheasant blood, not his own.
[quote] watched the first season of Luther and found it stupid beyond belief. Idris Elba's character annoyed the hell out of me, and almost nothing that happened in the series was believable
I find the same is true of that idiotic Inspector Lewis show. He solves a crime by staring at a picture in a museum because it has a vanishing point? A scientist has his own secret state-of-the-art laboratory where he's trying to find a cure for his wife's cancer while reluctantly having an affair with Miss Pearl Pratt? Bitch, please.
They also seem to go out of their way to make Miss Marple into a complicated mess. I mean, what could be more straightforward than Agatha Christie mysteries?
When Ellie asked Susan how she couldn't know what was going on right under her own roof, Susan paused and sort of smirked at her and just turned and walked away without saying anything. I thought that was interesting.
I thought Susan was the best performance and most interesting character.
The woman who plays Danny's mother is also very good.
I just watched the finale today. I've been watching it each week on BBC America but couldn't wait to find out whodunnit so downloaded it off pirate bay. I specifically stayed away from any thread about the show here and can't believe how dumb some of you are to take the chance of being spoiled here. Of course some asshole is going to ruin it! This is datalounge!
[quote] The woman who plays Danny's mother is also very good.
Agreed. Terrific actress, and quite pretty.
[quote]I've never heard of Olivia Colman before but she is brilliant in this.
I totally agree. She was superb in this. The best character and the best performance. I'm going to look into other work she has done.
I guess my hunch was right.
Great. More evil gays (or whatever the hell the murderer was).
Holy shit, that was some outstanding acting.
Really good until the ending. Bad, bad ending. The case should have been solved through sleuthing. It wasn't. The only reason the case was solved was that Joe felt guilty and decided to let himself be caught. That's not the way a good detective story ends. It should end with the detectives being heroic, intelligent, and capable. As it was, they sucked. All those episodes, and not a single smart move by Hardy or Ellie.
Don't think of it as a detective story, R61. It's more of a portrait of a family's (well, multiple families') grief.
I wish this had been a four-part presentation on PBS's Mystery (even if you might argue it's not a mystery; neither was Silk) rather than a heavily edited BBC America show.
Olivia Colman is not to be missed in a very good movie called Tyrannosaur. It is a terrible title because it has nothing to do with dinosaurs. She plays a shopkeeper with an abusive husband who develops a relationship with a loner in a small British village.
I don't believe it is "heavily edited". Maybe a minute or two a week for commercials.
Last night's episode was just released on iTunes: it's 52 minutes, 58 seconds. I imagine rather more than a couple of minutes were cut from the BBC America broadcast.
Of course, PBS edits Masterpiece and Mystery a bit, too, to make room for Viking River Cruises commercials.
I loved the soundtrack, by the Icelandic composer Ólafur Arnalds.
Chad Everett is in talks with Fox for a role in the US version.
Whom would he play?
I really enjoyed it. In general the acting was powerful.. Danny's mother, Ellie
I imagine Chad Everett would be the Jack character.
I cannot wait to see how Fox screws up the remake.
R70 Fox wants to go head-to-head with Under The Dome this summer.
Christine Lahti is in talks for the Elaine Jenkinson role.
Was it just me, or did the boy who played Danny seem a bit older than 11? Or maybe that was what Joe's attraction to him.
I thought the same thing R73, that was odd.
Why bother remaking this for American tv? Just come up with your own mystery series. I thought it was terrific but there was nothing that innovative or different about the storyline or mystery to make it work remaking.
How are they going to do another season of this?
R556, you should start with Beautiful People, which really WAS a BBC series. Colman plays the mother of a young gay boy. She's incredibly funny in it but so touching in the final episode. It ran 2 seasons, 6 episodes each. I'm sure you can find it on Amazon. I saw it on BBCA.
Susan/Elaine is played by a great character actress, Pauline Quirke. A few years ago she was a regular on the soap Emmerdale, playing the mother of a grown gay son. Her son becomes a quadriplegic due to a car crash and she and the son's boyfriend help him to die. Heartbreaking performance from her.
R73/74, he definitely looked taller than 11 and his voice sounded like it had broken already. It had a deep sound which made him sound more forceful and the situation seemed a tiny bit less creepy. I suspected his voice was re-recorded during post production, perhaps by another actor.
It's interesting that on various message boards there are still those who think the psychic was a fake. In the eyes of the series I don't think he was, because of that shot of the mother half-smiling at him while she was riding by in the car.
So Christine Lahti as Elaine Jenkinson in the US version
Can she pull it off?
Chad Everett died last year.
I was out of town and set my DVR to record the finale during the regular weekly 1AM repeat on BBCA only to come home and find out that the last episode was shown at a later time (and I ended up with an hour of "The Shining" instead.) I couldn't record the regular showing at 10PM because it conflicted with "The Bridge."
Anyway, I was able to find it streaming online with Russian subtitles! I wish I'd been able to find it with English closed captioning, as sometimes I have a little trouble with the accents and the unfamiliar words. Bottom line--I loved the series. Can't believe we get stuck with crap like "Under the Dome" instead of great shows like this.
They cut a fair amount out. TWOP (I know) has a list of all the scenes cut from the finale.
r61 Joe did turn himself in, but Hardy worked out (via the computer records) it was him right before that. That's why he came up with some fake reason to send Ellie away so she wouldn't be there when he traced the phone.
Chibnall always planned it as a trilogy, and he's said the second series will be very different and not involve a murder, so who knows. I read it would show the town dealing with the aftermath but I don't remember if that was speculation or not. Chibnall is also heavily involved in the US version, so it might not suck that much.
Tennant will play the same character in the American version.
Late to the show here. I watched it on Netflix last night and found it really overwrought. All that swelling, ominous music for mundane scenes. I get it. Anyone can be the murderer.
I guess that's probably why it appealed so much to American cable tv producers. They want to make their own overwrought version.
I think it may have been the inspiration for the ultimately insipid True Detective, which dicked us around with moody existentialism for a case that should have been solved pretty early on, sparing us the drama of the nihilistic detective living in a flawed universe.
I watched Broadchurch, then Gracepoint. I think the worst aspect of both shows is that it built a huge misery pyramid to distract from the fact that there was no plot, which showed in the ending.
[quote]I guess that's probably why it appealed so much to American cable tv producers. They want to make their own overwrought version.
Uh, what? It was remade as "Gracepoint" on Fox, not a cable tv producer.
Season 2 (OK, "Series" 2, for you purists) starts March 4 on BBCAmerica. (It's already begun in the UK.)
Fox is cable TV
I just wish they had not made the husband of the cop look so stereotypically gay.
R87 Are you REALLY that stupid?
Nope. Fox is cable TV. You are confusing it with premium cable tv.
First episode of series two had me hooked after 15 minutes. That's my Monday nights sorted for the next 10 weeks.
How is the beginning of Season Two so far, for those in the UK?
Is Tennant eating humble pie, now that the American version proved to be a failure?
Colman acts circles around him, anyway.
Fox, NBC, CBS, ABC, Univision, Telemundo, ION, and the CW are BROADCAST, not CABLE.
1. You can access them via local network affiliates, over the air, WITHOUT CABLE, and
2. They are under the jurisdiction of the FCC.
NEITHER of those applies to cable networks, "premium" or otherwise.
We really haven't heard anything much about Tennant and the American version - probably the interwebz fan loonies have, but not the rest of us.
Episode 1 of season 2 was a stonker (is that a British word? Probably. It means good). Olivia was great. David the Who also. Arthur the Who also got a bit more interesting.
Is Tennant capable of eating humble pie?
What the US version proved is that casting a minimally talented actress like Anna Gunn is not a good idea.
As r94 said, it was a stonker. Olivia Colman was outstanding. Few new characters (Charlotte Rampling and Jean Marian Baptiste). If it continues being this good all the way through it will be one hell of a series.
I feel bad for Tennant. A few people complained about Tennant's American accent, which was sensationalized by the media. A few Brits are complaining about his Scottish accent, which was sensationalized by the media. Poor guy can't catch a break.
[quote]Jean Marian Baptiste
Is this Marianne Jean-Baptiste who was on that FBI show with Anthony La Paglia?
R98 yes, I always get her name mixed up.
Season 2 starts tonight on Showcase in Canada.
My husband loved my imitation of Tennant.
I would grab my head, cross my eyes and say, "Oh God, no! Not noe! Not noe! Aim a rellllluctant, broooooody police officer who canna' shave! Playse doooon't make me dizzay! Ai canna' pass oot noe! Ail het the flure, and God atle hoort like hail!"
If you think David Tennant's Scots burr is bad in Season One, wait til you see Season Two. Between the burr and him mumbling his lines, he's just about incomprehensible.
I watch all UK crime dramas with closed captioning nowadays because of UK love for their regional accents.
[quote]Between the burr and him mumbling his lines, he's just about incomprehensible.
I keep shouting at the screen "WHAT WAS THAT?"
Why the fuck do they keep hiring this arsehole?
R103 I watch pretty much everything British with closed-captioning. They could use subtitles in theaters, too. I remember having a really hard time with the accents in "The Full Monty."
Episode 1 of Season 2 is available on Youtube.
Seemed pretty good.
Anyone else find the scene of Ellie´s son (who now does not live with or speak to her)playing computer games alone at night with the father of the murdered boy really creepy?
[quote]Anyone else find the scene of Ellie´s son (who now does not live with or speak to her)playing computer games alone at night with the father of the murdered boy really creepy?
Not in the least.
Broadchurch series 2: Lowest ever ratings as audience drops by 1.6m for episode two
[quote]I watch all UK crime dramas with closed captioning nowadays because of UK love for their regional accents.
I do too, R103. Regional accents aside (because I don't consider them to be a major factor), mumbling seems to be a requirement on all the BBC dramas.
I enjoy Shaun Evens (Endeavor) because he enunciates well enough that I don't have to look at CC to know what he's saying.
Sorry, that's Evans.
Charlotte Rampling and Marianne Jean-Baptiste are in Season 2, therefore I'll be watching it.
Is anybody watching season 2?
The show seems to be getting campier.
And what was with the way they filmed last night's episode? It was like it was done with a home video camcorder. Looked Coronation-Streety. Very distracting.
I am thinking r107, that there is something more going on in this story that wasn"t revealed last season. Namely, with Mark Latimer.
I am also thinking that we will be seeing Mark getting comfort from hugs from little Tom soon.
Tennant just won some major lifetime achievement award in the UK, and was just announced as the lead in the new Marvel superhero TV series, and has another Royal Shakespeare Company play coming up, so I doubt he's eating much humble pie at the moment.
Broadchurch 2 is pretty silly though. The cast all signed on without knowing anything about the plot or reading any scripts. The UK tabloids have been reporting that Tennant is unwilling to sign up for the third and final season.
[quote] I am thinking [R107], that there is something more going on in this story that wasn"t revealed last season. Namely, with Mark Latimer.
My hunch is that it was going to be revealed that there's much more to it than Joe Miller. I think he was set up to take a fall for a much wider group of paedos. In the first episode of this season, didn't he say something along the lines that he can't be the one who will go down for it? The priest was there to talk him into confessing so that there would be no trial and further investigation of the case which makes me think that he's involved or someone who's very close or dear to him (did Beth Latimer kill her own son?)
And I agree with the poster upthread who was distracted by the video camcorder last night.
I've enjoyed the first three episodes of season two, but Beth Latimer really grates on me - what a beyotch.
Mark Latimer and that kid in that trailer together was suspicious, but it felt like a red herring.
Charlotte Rampling's character is kind of meh. What is her connection to the newspaper woman? Friends? Relatives?
where can you watch season 2 in the US? BBC America is not airing it till March. Netflix wont have it till it ends airing in the UK :(
Joe Miller did it, alone. That's not a mystery. The "drama" of the second series is his court case and finding out what really happened in Hardy's previous case.
It's amazing how people see things that aren't there, yet think themselves to be so perceptive.
so WHERE can you watch it in the US?????
season 2 is getting very silly though. how many weeks can the latimers sit in the dock looking paid while ellie pulls faces.....
the cliffhanger this week. what? just ridiculous
Agree season two isn't up to scratch. Still watching but nowhere nearly as intrigued as season one.
This has been posted a million times already. Instal Hola on Firefox, choose UK as your country.
That is how you watch BBC on line.
ITV will ask you for a UK postal code. Find one on line. Done. Watch UK shows.
Here in Canada, season 2 is playing right now on Showcase and BBC Canada.
The video camcorder look is cheap and inferior-looking.
I was hoping the newspaper woman and Charlotte Rampling's character are lovers, but I don't think they are going there.
Will Nigel's mother be back this season?
James D'Arcy is fucking hot.
r123 i dont have firefox
Do you want me to come to your house to instal it, sweetie?
firefox carries viruses, i have chrome
I packed it in after two episodes of Season 2. Between Mumbles Tennant and the contrived plot, I'm giving the rest a miss.
honestly Broadchurch could have reach masterpiece status had they left it as it was and not returned to the town by the sea.
I'm more interested in the Sandbrook case. I reckon Claire did it, with the dad of the murdered girl.
I keep thinking the Sandbrook thing will rip off Paul Bernardo and Karla Homolka to some extent... but not sure now given what happened last night. The focus seems to shift more to Sandbrook now... the resolution better pack a punch.
My prediction is Joe Miller is acquitted... and winds up dead... and we were to spend all next season finding out who killed Joe Miller. But I also read Tennant isn't good for a third series so this will probably be the end of it.
[quote]firefox carries viruses, i have chrome
I've had Firefox for many years. No virus of any kind.
R131 Why is Season 3 dead without Tennant? There are plenty of incomprehensible Scots and Northern Brits to fill in for him. My first choice is Peter Mullan, wonderful Scots actor, a bit old, but gives a whole new meaning to "I can't understand a bloody word the man's saying!" Other candidates include John Hannah and Peter Capaldi (Scots) David Morrissey (Scouse), and Chris Ecclestone (Mancunian).
Perhaps they could make David Tennant's character the murderer. That's where I thought they were going ins eason 1 with his strange quirks, autism, and medical issues. At the beginning of the season, he looked over at David's body on the beach and murmured "Not again". It was supposed to hint that he has a past with this kind of situation. Perhaps he blacks out and kills children.
And manages to leave no forensic evidence anywhere near the murder scene, does it all with no eye witnesses and somehow doesn't wake up in the middle of a field wondering how he got there, r34?
Very odd to see Tennant starring in the US version, speaking with an American accent.
The US Ellie is much hotter than the UK Ellie, ditto her husband, who is bald in the UK version.
But the father of the boy was much hotter in the UK version - played by Andrew Buchan who I'd marry in a heartbeat if he'd have me.
R135 is addressed to r134, of course.
did we get to see Tennants wife yet????
Yes, Tennant's wife showed up in yesterday's episode.
R136, you think Anna Gunn is hot? That's pretty weird.
Forgetting the fact that she's a terrible actress, I wouldn't want to spend 3 minutes around her character, whereas UK Ellie is interesting.
Foxpoint isn't going to get a second season anyway.
I just watched the trailer for Gracepoint.
It's a fucking replica of Broadchurch! What the fuck is the point of that? Couldn't they just take the idea and adapt it a bit? Americans could can easily watch the original anyhow!
r136, you sound very superficial.
But I agree with your attraction to Andrew Buchan. He's very tormented-closeted-dad hawt.
Season 2 is lacking the domesticity of season 1, a trait that the British still do very well (look at their sitcoms and their daily soaps, which is still a very big genre in the UK). The sensationalism of David's murder was played out very well against the real goings-on of a sleepy little seaside village - all those inhabitats were like neighbours or people you would know. That's why Gracepoint was such a disaster - Americans don't know how to do "domestic". Their domestic was a pack of post Cold War lies, which became camp very quickly in the 80s and 90s, replaced by a new form of reality in reality TV. The Brits love their reality TV too, but it hasn't replaced the traditional domestic. Seasonn 2 of BC is being written more for US mentality.
Thanks for the thoughtful synopsis, R144.
Interesting, r144. What other examples of British "domestic" television are you thinking of?
What are the "Cold War lies" of US "domestic" tv that you have in mind?
After the success of Nordic crime tv there was many complaints in the UK about how we supposedly didn't do that kind of gripping tv crime drama. Series like Broadchurch and The Fall were attempts to respond to that criticism and tap into the rich vein opened up by Scandinavian "crime noir". They even used people directly from Nordic/northern European countries - an Icelandic composer for Broadchurch, a Belgian director for The Fall. What made these series dynamic and exciting was less the British "traditional domestic" element - cosy detective stories like Ms Marple and Midsummer Murders - and more the bleak landscape and psychological drama of Nordic noir.
US tv produces some great crime drama - True Detective was scintillating, and also about what really goes on behind the curtains in small towns, although in a more extreme way. CSI in its heyday was genius. And, there is still quite a bit of shit on British tv.
Having watched episode 4 of the second series of Broadchurch, I can say it's definitely back to form. In fact, I think some of the daft stuff of the first three episodes was necessary in way, so as create new threads and build up to new climaxes and revelations, leading up to the threads eventually coming together.
[quote] . The sensationalism of David's murder
Who's David? Is that in season two?
Lady cops have to be hot on American tv.
Hell, all ladies on American TV have to be hot. Except Fargo.
Olivia Colman reminds me of Frances de la Tour
Broadchurch is just Twin Peaks without all the weird stuff.
I was feeling despondant about season 2 of Broadchurch, but the last episode has left me with some hope, because I can tell who they're going to pin it on and I think it will be pretty good.
The end of episode 4 gives a massive hit about the Sandbrook murders/disappearance.
As a current example, Downton is very domestic, R146. And I don't mean servants. It is, while grand and period, like Broadchurch in that everybody spills over into one another's lives with family at the core of the storytelling.
Do we have a US premiere date for s2 of BROADCHURCH?
The butler did it with a candlestick in the parlor.
March 4 on BBCAmerica
I'm liking season 2 much more than season 1. I ended up practically hating the show after the first few episodes on season 1 but this season I'm liking almost everything. There's still some of that fake over-emotional stuff but it's not that bad.
It's kind of weird that in season two it gets revealed that everyone has fucked everyone else. Not Ellie and Alec, and it was rather unbelievable that such suggestion would have been made in court.
I'm watching episode 3 - had it recorded. Why does it seem like it was recorded live? I mean, I know they're recorded live, but this seems like one of those live episodes. It's distracting.
If you want a good overseas crime show... check out Spiral. I'm addicted to it. It's a French detective/cop show. At least one series on Netflix and the current series can be seen on BBC iPlayer if you have the means to access.
No spoilers for episode 4 please, but I do have to know: is it filmed with a home camcorder again? I hated episode 3's "live" look.
Thankfully it wasn't filmed "documentary style", r162.
By the way, another enjoyable British TV series, on in its third series at present, is Last Tango In Halifax, starring Derek Jacobi and with a lesbian theme. For anyone who wants a slice of "Englishness" you should try it.
[quote]If you want a good overseas crime show... check out Spiral.
I tried watching it, but I found it a bit gruesome. I mean, I don't need to see a corpse in detail.
[quote]By the way, another enjoyable British TV series, on in its third series at present, is Last Tango In Halifax, starring Derek Jacobi and with a lesbian theme.
Season three finale is tomorrow night!!!
I'm shocked anyone else besides me is aware of Frances de La Tour! I remember her from years ago in Flickers.
I love Last Tango in Halifax. Rupert Graves is on season 3, and that's more than enough incentive for anyone to watch
Off topic, but for US viewers who enjoy British crime dramas, how about the comedy/drama "Babylon" currently running on Sundance? Hot young American PR expert takes job running communications at Scotland Yard; fuck-ups ensue.
I am enjoying it immensely.
Plus they use use words like "twat" and "cock" most freely.
I'm not that old, r165, but remember Frances de la Tour as a kid in Rising Damp. Plus, she was recently in Vicious, with Derek Jacobi who is in Last Tango...
Come on, everybody knows Frances de la Tour from Harry Potters.
I'm not at all a Harry Potter fan, sorry. My dad loved Rising Damp, when the African student would snarl "Rigsby!" in disgust.
I'll second the recommendation for Babylon. James Nesbitt is quite the flavour of the month for TV this side of the pond. He was also the main character in The Missing (abducted child mystery).
I saw Frances de la Tour in a play a couple of years ago. And in the film of The History Boys which was on TV last week.
[quote] Rupert Graves is on season 3,
Rupert Graves is eventually in just about every dramatic British tv series, particularly if it reaches a season three.
I think it may be a law over there.
Just watched Season 1 of "The Missing," BBC/Starz co-production. English child goes missing in a small French town (actually filmed in small Belgian town). Incredibly well done if disturbing (esp. to parents of young children). Highly recommend, esp Tcheky Karyo, great French movie star in his 60s--great actor who plays the local police detective.
Tcheky Karyo was so hot in the original Luc Besson's Nikita. "Bob".