Chris Cristie and Rand Paul Are The Top Contenders For The Republican Pres. Nom?
Are you shitting me?!
Rand Paul rats chocolates. Christie eats everything. This should work out quite nicely
Are there no reasonable Republicans left? Has Jon Huntsman ceded the field to these clowns?
To be completely fair: Christie is one of the few GOP politicians out there with the slightest grip on reality.
Rand Paul is just batshit loco.
r3 is an embarrassing bully. Who wants a president who would turn to a reporter and say, "Go fuck your mother in the ass, fuckface," or have everyone look at a reporter, call them a retard, and make fun of them for 30 minutes? The guy is a dangerous, unstable loon.
And this is a problem for America how, OP? The Republicans have no new ideas and no appealing person to carry them forward. Frankly, I can't think of news more wonderful for the future of the country.
Christie would be a good candidate for the republicans. I'm not sure he can get past the tea party, though. I'd love to see Hillary run against Rand Paul.
I talk to many Repubs in my swing state. They align themselves with White, rich, males. All are very anti-government, as they see it as an incompetent interference. That was the original Libertarian position; limited government regulation, not none.
I can't see them supporting Cristie or Paul. Bill Clinton was seen as improving the general economy, for all of his faults, so MAYBE they'd consider Hillary. Of course who Bill slept with was his own business. Those I'm referring to aren't saints either.
By the way since they're very pro anything that helps the economy, they'd vote for marriage equality and abortion rights, as long as it didn't cost them any additional funds. Thus I don't think they'd see Paul as a true Libertarian either.
I'm surprised Christie is still looking so big. What happened to the weight-loss surgery (which he had for his family and health and not for any other reason, hahahahahaha!)?
Sounds like an easy win for Hillary.
Given the political orientation of most DLers, Republicans could care less what you think of the choices.
Meanwhile, it is Joe Biden and Hillary Clinton on the Democratic side.
Lots of new ideas there!
[quote]Republicans could care less what you think of the choices.
Republicans also appear to not give a flying fuck about finding an electable GOP candidate.
You do realize that other groups besides Crazy Old White Men are allowed to vote in national elections, right?
[quote]Republicans could care less what you think of the choices.
First of all, the phrase is "couldn't care less". If they could care less, it implies that they do care.
Second, they should care. Registered Republicans are not a majority of the electorate. They are not even a plurality. At the very least they need a sizeable number of independents to put them over the top. So catering to their "base" and ignoring moderate swing voters will continue to be a losing strategy for them, just as it has been for the last few elections.
After his grandstanding "If I were the President I would have fired you" speech during the Benghazi fake scandal hearing, it would be quite the pleasure to watch HC trounce that fuckface Rand Paul.
r4 is there a youtube video of Crispie Cream saying that? I would love to have that and send it out to everyone I know right before the election if he is the candidate.
It's still too early to guage viable candidates. Christie maybe but Paul is insane. There is still Jeb to think about. One more idiot Bush in the white house is dooable. Dob't forget Rubio and Hell McCain could run again.
Rand Paul is far from "too insane" to be a Republican candidate for President r17, and if you have been awake for the past 5 years you know that. I'm more surprised that someone as literate and polished as Christie, who could barely have made it as a smal town ward heeler in the Republican Party of even 40 years ago, is even a serious contender. When you compare him in terms of credentials and presentation to Obama the contrast is laughable; but the Republicans have basically degenerated into the lowest level White Citizens Councils found in rural Alabama at this point, so Christie probably seems suspiciously "edumacated" for much of the base.
"Base" has never been more apropos.
In order to be nominated, Christie will have to publicly pledge to repeal Roe v. Wade in such a way that he won't be able to distance himself in the fall campaign; the kooks were burned with flip-flopper Mittens, and not going to let a "squish" get through again.
The Pubbies are in bad shape if they're looking to Cristie and Paul to put in the top slot. Of course there's always Boehner. If he won, they could redo the Oval Office in orange.
Rand is much more likely than Christie. The staunch Republicans I know, especially the social conservatives, HATE Christie and view him as very suspicious due to some of his somewhat progressive stances on things like LGBT equality (his views on same sex marriage are currently identical to Obama's pre-presidential views - he's for civil unions but stops short of endorsing marriage equality) and he's far too libertarian and unreligious to get much more traction than he already has.
They're stupid, because he has no public scandals that could affect his candidacy, he's moderate enough to appeal to independents and fiscally conservative Democrats, and his weight and plainspoken demeanor give him an everyman quality that they could really peddle. But as polarized and extreme as the current GOP is, he has nary a chance in hell at that nomination.
Christie only had a lap band procedure, not a gastric bypass. You can stretch your stomach with the lap band.
R7--if the people you're talking to seem themselves anti-government libertarians, why would they support someone like Hilary, whose position on economic issues is essentially identical to Obama's, and whose position on social issues that libertarians love to crow about (sexual and drug freedom, certainly not class or racial egalitarianism) is even more liberal?
OK, I was wondering why Christie was still fat. It was lap-band.
Chris Christie is as popular as he is now because nobody has really looked under the hood yet. He's been no fiscal savior to NJ- highest tax rates in the nation! - they'll roar! He is approachable, but really also an undisciplined bully who walks the fine line between being appealing or completely off putting.
I don't think that after the Mittens disaster of 2012 that the angry Republican base will allow anybody but a fire breathing radical righty to get the nomination. I personally think Rick Santorum is going to be a major player again. Won't that be something!
R23, In voting, perception is everything, not reality. If you poll Repubs least hated Democratic President of the last few generations, Bill Clinton would come out on top, except for his sexual scandals. Perhaps it's because he benefited from a better economic climate. Or that he was seen as fairly diplomatic, and an insider who knew how to manipulate Congress but not push them too far so that it would backfire.
Hillary is not seen by the people that I talk to as identical to Obama. Even more so than Bill, she's a politician, who wants to stay in power. Therefore she will do what's necessary not to be as hated. To some, that's a very good thing.
Just giving you what I've been told. Please don't shoot the messenger.
I think Independents and Democrats would vote for Christie before Rand Paul in the general election.
Christie appears to have not lost any weight.
"Rand Paul is far from "too insane" to be a Republican candidate for President..."
[quote]his views on same sex marriage are currently identical to Obama's pre-presidential views - he's for civil unions but stops short of endorsing marriage equality
Um, no. Perhaps you should do your research, asshole. Go look at what he said about DOMA.
[quote]he's far too libertarian and unreligious to get much more traction than he already has.
Yeah, huh. Stop posting from Crisco HQ, cunt!
[quote] If you poll Repubs least hated Democratic President of the last few generations, Bill Clinton would come out on top
Not at the time he was in office! He was the MOST HATED DEM PRESIDENT IN HISTORY! They called him a murderer, and wanted him hanged for treason. Bill Clinton is still the most hated Democratic president by Republicans in the last 100 years. They only changed their tune recently because it was politically expedient to do so. They impeached the guy.
Obama is nowhere near as hated as Clinton was back in the 90s by the Right. When we look back, the shit flung at Obama won't stink nearly as much as the shit flung at Bill Clinton when he was in office. All those goddamn investigations, and everything they conspired to get him out of office pales in comparison. People have short attention spans. Obama's blow back looks big now because we're living in the moment.
There's a reason why Republicans fear the Clintons.
R30, anger management is a healthy next step for you.
I'm saying he's not going to be supported by the Republicans because he's not extremist enough for them, not that he's a good candidate or that he'd be a good president in any way, shape or form.
He's backpedaled and flip-flopped about civil unions/same-sex marriage a few times, it's true.
Jon Huntsman isn't "reasonable." He just makes a pretense of sounding reasonable. In reality he's a typical Republican cunt.
r32, he hates gays, and is the nastiest pos in politics today. He's an embarrassment.
R34, again, I was only speaking about whether the GOP would appoint him as a front runner, not trying to say anything supportive about him. I have no idea how "he's not extremist enough for the GOP" was interpreted as a ringing endorsement. But thanks for scaling back the over the top vitriol toward me there.
[quote]I'm surprised Christie is still looking so big. What happened to the weight-loss surgery (which he had for his family and health and not for any other reason, hahahahahaha!)?
Many of the people who get lap-band surgery learn to eat around it over time. And if they lose a lot of weight from surgery, they look weird and sickly.
The republican debates/primaries will be a great show of cannibalism but I don't think the republicans care about the White House as much as they do about controlling the houses now.
"Who wants a president who would turn to a reporter and say, 'Go fuck your mother in the ass, fuckface,' or have everyone look at a reporter, call them a retard, and make fun of them for 30 minutes?"
You're exaggerating, right? If not, please provide documentation. I hate Christie and I know he's a bully, but I didn't think he ever went THAT far. If he did, I'd love to have documentation.
R30, has some rage control issues.
You're scary, psycho
R31, We're talking about different 2 groups of Repubs. You're talking about the tea bag, fundie, old "moral majority," right wing controllers of the party.
I'm talking about the far more moderate, leaning Independent voters, who's priority is their pocketbook, and who believe that government should not legislate morality. Most have had sex outside of marriage, and have at least dabbled in pot or other illegal drugs. They still make "Monica jokes," saying Clinton should have chosen a real model instead. I therefore can't see them supporting Cristie or Paul. Neither one fits the very crucial visual image, of the expensively suited top-level manager.
Also the economy was stronger when Clinton was POTUS, either by his efforts or plain luck, it really doesn't matter to this group. Therefore they didn't support the expenditure of government funds to try and get rid of him.
As a Repub acquaintance once told me, "It's not that the Clintons are really more Moderate than Obama. They're politicians, and politicians really want to maintain power and get re-elected. That's actually a very good thing. Politicians are more likely to work with Congress to get things accomplished, rather than going out on a limb, resulting in a stalemate. Politicians know when to bend, so that on more crucial issues they can stand firm, as they've earned Congress's support. Politicians goal is to avoid an adversarial relationship whenever possible."
Regarding marriage equality, don't forget this group of Repubs is primarily concerned with money. Otherwise it's "live and let live," despite a few very crude jokes. If the issue were framed in terms of financial benefits, (for example, more money spent on hotels) and less government interference, they'd be all for it.
Again, please don't shoot the messenger.
[quote]You're exaggerating, right? If not, please provide documentation. I hate Christie and I know he's a bully, but I didn't think he ever went THAT far. If he did, I'd love to have documentation.
It was an example of the kind of garbage he spews, and the type of language he'd grant us as president. It wasn't a quote.
Most people who get the surgery end up becoming alcoholics because they can't eat. Surgery will not fix their psychological need to eat.
Paul Ryan is going to be the nominee, with Marco Rubio or Scott Walker as his running mate.
R44, If Rand Paul caves in to the extreme moral conservatism, and implied governmental interference and regulation, he will totally turn off Moderate Repubs, leaning Libertarians, and Independents, and anyone else who's not very religious. This group fears the fundies and tea baggers even more than they fear most Democrats. At least they can hope that Congress can "reign in" a Democratic President that tries to get "too Liberal" for their taste.
After the hurricane, I thought Christie (who I'd never heard of) was marvelous.
'Cept I'm not a repug. Darn, wish Hilary would run. But she's said she's not
[quote] Who wants a president who would turn to a reporter and say, 'Go fuck your mother in the ass, fuckface,' or have everyone look at a reporter, call them a retard, and make fun of them for 30 minutes?"
Have you ever read Tucker Carlson's piece on governor George W Bush written in Talk magazine in 1999? It was filled with Bush's profanities and with bush making fun of a woman on Death Row.
Bush also publicly called NYT reporter a "major league asshole," to which Cheney agreed, "Bigtime."
Yeah, Rudy Giuliani was terrific after 9/11 for approximately 3 weeks, and then the real Rudy came slinking back into his consciousness and revealed itself. Same with Christie. I saw an interview of Christie by suck-up Steve Adubado on PBS and Christie was right back to his slime ball self, telling lies about Obama, the democrats and about Chris Christie.
Even if Christie loses some weight, he still looks like a guy who drops stinky double deuces in the men's room and spoils lunch for you.
Paul Ryan is the odds-on favorite, particularly if we, as Thatcher put it, "run out of other people's money."
If Ryan were smart, he'd come out in favor of single-payer healthcare, using conservative principels to justify it,and would win in a landslide.
History points very strongly to his winning, with Santorum -- America's Designated Driver -- as his running mate.
Hillary stood down while her husband tried to move heaven and earth to get Monica Lewinsky a cushy office job in New York. Seems she is from the Mad-Men generation.
I disagree with their ideologies, but I don't have a problem with politicians who use profanity. Biden, etc.
Rand, Ryan, Santorum are unreasonable nut-jobs
Christie has a chance, as he's only a partial nut-job.
But really, I don't think the USA wants a republican president, we can't afford them, they cost the country too much money.
[quote] Also the economy was stronger when Clinton was POTUS, either by his efforts or plain luck...
"Rand is much more likely than Christie."
I agree that I am more viable. There is a loyalty code in the oinker Pig's movie that applies for resolute Republicans here:
Sheep: Baa-ram-ewe, baa-ram-ewe. To your breed, your fleece, your clan be true. Sheep be true. Baa-ram-ewe.
R50, Many voters feel that POTUS's image should represent the very best in America. With increasing media scrutiny and the internet, the language of Johnson would make a nominee suspect.
IMHO Romney's downfall began because he was seen as completely undiplomatic when he went to Europe. I don't think Christie would do a much better job. At least both Bush's looked decent in an expensive suit. Yes, there are plenty who really base their vote on that fact.
[quote]Bush also publicly called NYT reporter a "major league asshole," to which Cheney agreed, "Bigtime."
In Bush's defense, which I cannot believe I doing, his remark was accidentally picked up by an open microphone. That's much different than what Christie has done.
Has everyone in this country lost their fucking minds?
I also believe that Romney's refusal to divulge his tax returns was a major factor in people forming an opinion about him. He looked like he had something to hide, which he no doubt did.
Why can't this be an America where Jon Huntsman and Martin O'Malley have a respectful and spirited debate on the size versus purpose of government, the right amount of national security diligence, and America's role in the 21st century?
Because America has now turned into Idiocracy. Brawndo and Cheeto versus She-Ra.
If a Republican wins the White House in 2016 and they control Congress, the first thing they'll do is end Obamacare. What would happen to all the people who bought insurance under Obamacare? Would they be kicked off and no longer have insurance? And what if you have a pre-existing condition and can't buy another insurance plan?
People continue to confuse health INSURANCE with health CARE.
Being able to buy health insurance with a pre-existing condition is like being able to buy car insurance for a pre-existing crash or life insurance after someone has already died.
No "insurance" system can survive with it.
The insurance CEO speaks, at r60. By all means, ensure no insurance for those that need it the most. How humane.
r61 = "Math is hard" Barbie
[quote]No "insurance" system can survive with it.
If you say so. *global eyeroll*
Mickey Mouse could run. Red states gonna vote Red.
And Mickey Mouse WILL run. Just a less cerebral version.
America will never elect a Mormon, a Randdite or a Fat Man. Democrats are smart enough to know this, and that is why you guys will win and keep winning and we will lose an keep whining.
R66, Thanks for essentially supporting my position. I'm waiting to hear all of my Repub friends' sarcastic jokes over the GOP's choices.
It's a shame that we have such a stigma against switching parties. Winston Churchill flipped back and forth during his career, depending on which was more advantageous to him.
The front runners are never evident this far away from primary season. Christie, Ryan, Paul and Santorum are just the first clowns to pop out of the car.
That was certainly true of Clinton in '92 and Obama in '08. I can't see the R's going with a yet-to-be-mentioned candidate though.
I forsee a split in the Repub Party, with a Dominionist takeover. The latter want the Constitution replaced with the Bible, have a very fearful and negative world outlook, advocate a Christian Militia and Joel's Army, and speak of End Times and The Rapture. Paul and Santorum are clearly both Dominionist.
Yes, r72, these people are dangerous. They are the comparable to the Islamic extremists, they will stop at nothing to push their version of brainwashing upon the world.
R73, Since Dominionists are as anti-Catholic, as they are anti-Jewish and anti-mainstream Protestant, how does Paul Ryan fit into the mix?
[quote]It's a shame that we have such a stigma against switching parties. Winston Churchill flipped back and forth during his career, depending on which was more advantageous to him.
Can we stay in this century? Thanks.
[italic]Have you ever read Tucker Carlson's piece on governor George W Bush written in Talk magazine in 1999? It was filled with Bush's profanities and with bush making fun of a woman on Death Row.
Bush also publicly called NYT reporter a "major league asshole," to which Cheney agreed, "Bigtime."[/italic]
Cristie is the nastiest politicians in decades. I've never seen anyone like him. He's an embarrassment. The crap that comes out of his mouth is horrendous, and he doesn't give a shit. I have never heard nor seen a politician make it his image to be a white trash Guido bully. Even politicians who spew hate speech don't act like Cristie. Cristie talks down to the public like an abusive husband to a wife, or an abusive parent to a child, calling them all sorts of degrading names, and making an example out of them to others. He's a third grade bully. He shouldn't even exist in politics. New Jersey is disgusting.
The Republicans had better shit out a viable candidate soon.
Tragically, the polls show that Christie *is* a viable candidate, regardless of what we think of him. The low-information voter, of which there are far too many, doesn't know anything about his positions or about his anger management issues. All they know about him is that he looked resolute in dealing with the aftermath of a hurricane.
There are three unknowns about Christie:
1. Can he make it past the rabid Republican base in the primaries? They don't really trust him, particularly after he buddied up to Obama in the aftermath of the hurricane. Some of them still think he cost Romney the election and to many of them, he's a liberal.
2. Does he have the physical stamina to endure what has become a 2-3 year campaign?
3. Can he keep his temper and keep his foot out of his mouth for that 2-3 year campaign?
Chris Christie's fupa could be his running mate.
R74 - Dominionists are willing to go along with Mormons, Catholics, etc. who hold right-wing positions on social issues. They know those folks will burn in hell later, but for the present they're okay.
R80, It sounds like a very uneasy alliance, and a poor second choice for the Dominionists, considering their focus is on the End Times, not on present day issues. Such a very negative and fearful world view.
Does the current crop of dystopian Hollywood movies, with so much death and destruction, correlate at all with this outlook? I'm not saying that everything has to have an overly rosy happy ending. This nihilism, considering we're not facing a World War, in both entertainment and politics, is psychologically unhealthy, to say the least.
R78, I think number one is his only real problem.
Yes, he could drop dead of a fat guy's heart attack. He will definitely lose his temper but a lot of voters actually like that about him. They think it makes him seem "real".
The primaries, particularly the early primaries, are probably going to take him down. He's another East Coast pseudo-liberal governor. They do not want to give him the nomination, although he's their best chance to actually win.
The plain fact is that they do not have a candidate of Hillary Clinton's stature and national popularity. If she runs, and she will, then she is very likely to win.
Who's going to beat her - sweater vest aficionado Ricky Santorum? There aren't enough old, crazy, racist, Jesus blowing, White people left in America to make him POTUS.
R82 -- supposedly Rand Paul is the best they've got that way.
R83, If Rand Paul is the Pres or VP nominee, those of us with internet access and time, will have to spread the truth, like with the last few Repub morons, proving that Paul is a Dominionist and not a modified Libertarian.
For the uninformed, Dominionist's are against all porn, R-rated movies, mainstream music with suggestive lyrics, medical Marijuana, public schools, any sex outside of marriage, etc.
You will notice that I purposely picked beliefs that most Moderate Repubs support. That's the best way to defeat the Radical "Christian" Right.
R84, for what it's worth, the moderate/socially liberal Republicans and Libertarians I know are already very well aware what Rand Paul is because he's been automatically compared to Ron Paul, whom this type of voter tends to really like (if not necessarily vote for), and inevitably falls short each time. I don't think he's going to fool anyone about his values; a presidential race is sure to bring out the worst in him and make him totally unelectable. He has no appeal to independents whatsoever and he even lacks the appearance of intelligence and small-r republican common sense that made his dad appeal to moderate Republicans and libertarians. He is, as they say, a lost cause.
R82, I think that Christie has gotten beyond the temper. That doesn't mean he will never get upset, but he got a lot of mileage during his Obama period, when people asked him about his weight and some other stuff that used to piss him off. He made jokes rather than pitched a fit and people really liked him.
Apparently, he also got a lap band or some sort of weight loss surgery. He'll never be thin, but if he drops 100 pounds or so in the next year or 18 months, people's concern over his health will really decrease.
Christie is really the only republican candidate I worry about. He is relatively sane and is moving just enough to the right that the far right may hold their noses and vote for him.
I thought Christie got gastric bypass? He is still gigantic.
I think Christie just won't be able to handle the press if he runs for President. He's very thin-skinned and he's got a helluva lot of it. He may be behaving right now but just watch. Once they start needling him, he'll explode. He can't help it.
Jeb Bush is a possibility down the road, but there's also talk that it's too soon for another Bush and that Jeb may pass to pave the way for his nephew.
Ryan may try for it, but no VP candidate from a losing ticket has ever gone on to win a future nomination for President - as far as I know.
As others have pointed out, we have a long way to go before 2016 and smart potential candidates won't tip their hand this early.
Christie is a coward. First the special election that's costing NJ taxpayers millions just to avoid a popular Democratic candidate having their election on the same day as him, and now the gun bill quietly vetoed on a Friday at 6 PM so as to avoid any news coverage. Governor Crisco is a spineless blob.
[quote]Christie is a coward. First the special election that's costing NJ taxpayers millions just to avoid a popular Democratic candidate having their election on the same day as him, and now the gun bill quietly vetoed on a Friday at 6 PM so as to avoid any news coverage. Governor Crisco is a spineless blob.
That's actually just smart politics. If the taxpayers let him get away with a special election and it's cost, they that's their fault.
The Friday-night dump is a strategy used by both sides. I really don't have a problem with it.
Spineless to a degree, but his maneuvering is yet another indication of how impossible it is for any GOP politican with national ambitions to avoid twisting him/herself into an ideological pretzel to appeal to enough Republican voters.
Yes R91, the Friday night dump is used by both sides, but he's trying to paint himself as a take no prisoners, fearless everyman who doesn't take any crap or play partisan games and these actions show that he's just as slimy as the rest.
ITA r90/r93, but as long as the media and the voters allow him to get away with it, then there's nothing to be done but wait. I'm also r88 and I think that he'll implode, in time.
It could be very entertaining.
He got the lap band 4 months ago...jesus he is still fucking huge.
It seems no one has noticed that the highly-touted JEB gives C. C. a real run for his money in the overweight department.