- A 35-year-old woman fell to her death from a balcony in Midtown Manhattan early Thursday morning after the railing apparently gave way, the authorities said.
The woman, identified by the police as Jennifer Rosoff, was found on top of construction scaffolding at the base of the building, at 400 East 57th Street. She lived on the 17th floor. The corner section of a metal balcony railing on that floor appeared in photographs taken after her death to be bent downward.
Ms. Rosoff had been sitting on the railing of her balcony, smoking a cigarette and talking with a male friend when the railing appeared to buckle, the friend told the police, causing her to suddenly fall backward. The police said there did not appear to have been any foul play involved.
The death of Ms. Rosoff, described by a friend as “an A-player” in the competitive world of media advertising sales, immediately rippled across cellphones and in-boxes of distraught friends and colleagues.
"I was meeting someone for coffee today and the second they got off the elevator and they said: 'I had the worst e-mail. The subject was Jenn Rosoff died,'" said a friend in the ad sales industry who requested anonymity because he did not want to be seen as inserting his name into a tragic situation. "I hate in situations like this when people want to bury saints, but she was a great person,” he said.
Ms. Rosoff had worked at Lucky magazine and The New Yorker, and was currently at a new media advertising start-up called TripleLift.
After a deadly fall from a Midtown balcony in 2010, the city's Department of Buildings began an extensive round of safety reviews and found that hundreds of building owners had failed to file required inspection reports on their balconies. Residents of more than a dozen buildings were ordered then to stop using their balconies because of safety concerns.
It was not immediately clear if Ms. Rosoff’s building had filed its inspection reports.
That last round of inspections followed the death of Connor Donohue, 24, who fell from a 24th-floor balcony at 330 East 39th Street in March 2010. The department found in that case that the company that managed the building had not filed a proper inspection report in 10 years.
The Buildings Department placed a notice in the building on Thursday that all residents were prohibited from going onto their balconies, which the department characterized as “imminently perilous to life.” A department spokeswoman said inspectors were investigating conditions there and would provide more information later in the day.
- [quote]New York City police say Jennifer Rosoff, 35, was with a man she had been on a date with outside her corner apartment on the 17th floor in midtown Manhattan shortly before 1am on Thursday (3pm AEST) when she either leaned against or sat on the railing.
[quote]"You know, you shouldn't do that," her companion said, according to sources who spoke to dnainfo.com.
[quote]"I do it all the time," [Rosoff] replied moments before the railing collapsed.
- With that last name, no big loss.
- Obviously she never learned that smoking will kill you.
- She looked sort of like Sharon Tate.
- Dumb bitch. She was warned. I would be way too scared to lean against let alone sit on a railing on a high rise building!
- Once again, you are right, R4.
- foad, r3
- You wanted somebody to fall of the balcony of their whitebrick apartment building and now you fucking got it. You happy now???
- She looked older than 35.
- [quote]The medical examiner will determine a cause of death.
Lack of common sense? Darwinism? It's sad for those who knew her, but it was a dumb thing to do.
I think she looked like Caroline Kennedy, R5.
- Job opening!
- She was very pretty. Great eyes and cheekbones and hair. She was probably stunning when she was in her 20s.
- Was Gloria Vanderbilt seen running from the building?
- She did look older than 35, r10, and she had one of those weirdly generic nose jobs, but she was very pretty.
- Another New Yorker dead!
- I would never lean on a balcony that high up. Hell, I'm afraid of heights and wouldn't even get that close to one that high.
- Looks like a dark haired Ann Coulter.
- Wasn't this an episode of Sex and the City with Kristen Johnston guest starring?
- The higher you climb, the farther you fall.
- Better her than me.
- I told you I was hardcore.
- I think that was just a window R19. Kristen was playing socialite party girl Lexi Featherstone. God, I love that name.
- First date? I guess he won't be calling her again.
- What are the odds they were humping on the balcony?
- Marry me, r10.
- I remember in the late 60's early 70's apts were pretty scarce, people would read the obits in hopes of snagging a NYC apt.
- Let this be a warning to others, the long arm of Scientology can reach as far up as the 35 th floor and inconspicuously rip the balcony railing right out from behind you.
- This has the makings of a glamorous short story.
- Wow, the surgeon general isn't joking around anymore.
[quote]Ms. Rosoff had been sitting on the railing of her balcony, smoking a cigarette
- On her I Pod - Patsy Klein's " I Fall To Pieces"
- "I've fallen for the taste of Virginia Slims"!
Jennifer's Thought Bubble Mid-Fall.
- "I'm simply head over heels, bitches!"
- This is Anthony Weiner's fault. Or George Zimmerman.
- Like the opening of Mad Men!
- Imagine, me dressed to the nines with a lit slim in mouth and to-die-for lancome lipstick ... fuck-me red with glam lashes and smokey eye ... falling in my new Calvin Klein pencil skirt and Marc Jacobs blouse. I was serving serious glamour, you bitches.
- Then the devil took her to the holy city and had her stand on the highest point of the co-op.
“If you are the Son of God,” he said, “throw yourself down. For it is written:
“‘He will command his angels concerning you,
and they will lift you up in their hands,
so that you will not strike your foot against a stone."
- I would rather die than live on 57th St.
- One down. Pardon the pun.
- 57th is the location equivalent of limbo.
- r32, Klein is actually Cline.
- I don't get r9's joke. Is this another Anthony Weiner pun?
- It's a Mad Men joke.
- Mad Men, R43.
She was in advertising.
- Death to New York.
- I'm sorry about what happened to this poor woman, but I worked in the NYC advertising industry for years and I have never seen a more selfish, personality-disordered bunch of complete assholes in my life, and that includes finance.
- That god she didn't land on Matt Bomer or on Jon Hamm's cock. That would have been a REAL tragedy!
- Thank God! Pardonez moi.
- Glad to see the anti-Semitic troll made it to this thread, too. Shouldn't you be at a book burning, R3?
- She probably thought she looked so cool sitting on a railing smoking. Dumbass.
- She looked a lot like Simon Cowell's trashy baby-mama-to-be.
- he pushed her.
- She looked a lot like 80s actress Deborah Shelton.
- Are they all as stupid as this one was R47 ?
- When she discovered that her date has feminine thighs, she simply jumped.
- I'm another who'd be terrified of getting too close to the edge of the balcony. If she truly did sit on the railing (maybe she'd had a couple drinks since she was on a date and it was late at night; this would impair her judgement) she was mighty foolish.
- If you're an exec, what are you doing up at 1am on Thursday night? And if she's so athletic, why was she smoking?
- Do we only have the word of this this "male friend" to go by? Could he have thrown her over and bent the railing himself?
- You can see the damage to the railing, R59
- Her career choice suggests she most likely was a high-functioning sociopath, so that would explain her lack of caution with regards to sitting on the balcony.
- Exactly what R61 said.
- Another vote for r61.... one more thing...white brick buildings on 57st are social Siberia...you may as well be in Wisconsin.
- entitlement. gets you all the time. well in most cases.
- Can you imagine the threads if there had been an internet and gossip forums when Paul Lynde's trick went sailing out the window of his apartment!!!
- She was thrown over the balcony!
- R63, why are white brick buildings on 57th social Siberia?
- She was very attractive. I'm sorry she died. But, honestly folks, why the fuck did she insist on sitting on a RAILING on a 17th story balcony? That's really asking for trouble, and a totally stupid thing to do. She obviously never had anyone say "no" to her during her life. Even her trick said it wasn't a wise thing to do, and she arrogantly said, "I do it all the time!" *snap* *scream!* She won't be doing it again, that's for sure.
But her response to her date's concern is exactly the problem. These so-called "high-powered" people (in New York, LA, everywhere) think they know everything. I guess she didn't.
- Social Siberia? That's ridiculous in New York these days, when every hell hole neighborhood has been gentrified and is now considered a "luxury" neighborhood (at least by greedy real estate brokers). R63 is obviously trying to relive the movie "Metropolitan."
- How can we work this into a story?
The writers of SVU
- R69, what happened in "Metropolitan" and did that movie somehow consider white brick bldgs. on 57th social Siberia?
- I would also like to know why white brick on 57th is social Siberia. I love hearing about the insane status rules that grasping New Yorkers obsess over.
Real New Yorker
- Watch "Metropolitan," R71. 57th Street was NOT considered the Upper East Side, especially if you lived east of Park Avenue. But again, none of that really matters anymore. Unless you're clinging to the past. And if you are, good luck with that...
- And here is an article about the "white brick" buildings and why they're looked down upon now:
- R73, why would it matter that the 57th St white brick bldgs are not considered part of the upper East side? And why would that translate into social Siberia?
- The slut brought him back to fuck, right?
- I've been on some pretty bad first dates but this takes the cake.
- Everything can change in a New York minute.
- I didn't find out until this morning that the loud thud that startled the shit out of my cats was actually the last moment of this poor woman's life. It freaks me out to think out it.
- R69 is mostly correct; it is absolutely true that just about all of Manhattan is considered "luxury" these days...........but not those buildings, nor that neighborhood. (Though not white brick, recall the dismal reaction to the nearby Plaza Hotel's condo sales, which never really became exclusive and were purchased by out-of-towners possessing money but no class or real cache.)
Anyway, those white brick 57 street buildings are crap which are falling apart, as we once again were sadly reminded of tonight.
Those buildings are also filled with people who used to live on the Upper West Side below 69th street before it became exclusive.
White brick buildings on 57th street were even referenced (derogatorily) in that spot-on NY Observer article about the post-marital prospects of Upper East Side divorced women last month.
- 400 east 57th was not a white brick building. It was grey brick and built in 1931. 357 east 57th street, diagonal to 400 east 57th, is a white brick building and built in the 1950s. Very big distinction between the two. White bricks were built post WWII.
Also, the neighborhood is called Sutton Place, which has some name value.
- Replying to R80:
R69 here. I am not a lifetime New Yorker. I grew up and went to school in Ohio. (R61 is having a fainting spell by now.) I've been here 20 years. I moved to New York in the early 90s. I had family who had moved here earlier and they put me up. We found an apartment in Yorkville and lived there for a few years.
I didn't realize that there was such a controversy about the white brick buildings until tonight. If I recall correctly, there are a number of these buildings on 79th and 86th Streets.
So my question to you snobs is: "Are all of these buildings crashing and killing their occupants?" Or is more a question of: "We, the privileged few, should be allowed to live in this neighborhood, and not have to be bothered by the riff-raff"? But, as I already pointed out, if you're living in that neighborhood, you're living on the wrong side of the tracks anyway. So STFU!
- I googled her name to read more of the story and her Twitter account was listed.
Unbelievably, her last Tweet yesterday was "uh oh..."
Not kidding. Under "uh oh" was a link to a funny story, but how ironic.
- R82 here: If this was indeed Sutton Place, then that's a horse of a different color. That's "Auntie Mame" tony.
- R81 here. Yes, it's Sutton Place. The building where she died is not white brick and it was built in 1931.
White bricks are prone to leaks, which if reskinned, can fix the problem. Reskinning, however, is costly.
- R81, my mistake! I see it is a building built in 1931 and is not postwar......but that being said, it comes across as a white brick postwar building. On 57th Street. Plus, even more tragic, the building is a RENTAL on the (almost) Upper East Side........blech.
The bottom line is perception is reality, which is why the building cost only $76 million to purchase a few years ago - meaning the average unit cost was $850 per square foot — or just $1.6 million for each of the 48 units, per an article I read.
If one cares so little about status, well then you should just reside in some lifeless Lexington highrise and at least have easy subway access.
- Just an FYI ... Judge Judy live in Sutton Place.
- R63. Up-close it does appear as light grey brick. Obviously some hedge fund boys and girls saw the value and bought the building a little over a year ago and have been pouring tons of money into renovations. Sadly, balconies we're either way down on the to-do list or not on the list at all.
BTW - it might suprise you to learn that many of the buildings in the Sutton Place area are rentals.
- Oh I am indeed coming across as a total snob, which is ironic because I am proud to be a lifelong Brookyln resident...........but I have a lot of friends in that area.
Geographically the building is located in Sutton Place, which is indeed lovely and desirable in its classic core......but it is still 57th street, damning it as SOCIAL SIBERIA.
The fact that Hedge Fund types purchased I means not very much. Not to be too harsh, but their buying it as an investment also speaks volumes.........because its value just declined while its costs just skyrocketed.
- At least it wasn't an elevator shaft.
- Henry Fonda lived on Sutton Place, too.
- Hmmm, R63. My guess is that not only are you a snob -- from Brooklyn nonetheless -- but you know little about finance and investing.
- NYC does not have, and has never had, a social Siberia. As documented in Metropolitan (and every other Whit Stilman film), New Yorkers go out to socialize. If someone has a good apt, great. If not,you meet out.
400 East has got to about 20 feet from the river. The apt is on the block of a good crosstown bus and SBS service up 1st Ave and down 2nd. it's far from the subway so it's quiet. Easy place to get a cab. Probably $3k monthly for a one bedroom, which is absurd in any other American city.
Will start a debate in the mayoral race as to why no one inspects these things properly.
- Didn't Anne Welles and Lyon Burke live around E 57th St?
- Were the addresses of the Valley of the Dolls characters ever mentioned in the book? I haven't read it in a long time.
Jacqueline Susann lived on Central Park South for decades, but I can't remember which building it was.
- A one bed room in 400 east 57th goes for 3500+. Studios are 2500+.
I am not sure if I am spelling his name correctly, but Ban Ki Moon (UN Secretary General), is a resident of 57th Street.
- What is SBS service that runs up and down 2st and 2nd Avenues?
- If she had been smoking Lite cigarettes, the bannister wouldn't have broken.
- [quote]Ms. Rosoff had worked at Lucky magazine and The New Yorker, and was currently at a new media advertising start-up called TripleLift.
She really could've used a TripleLift!
And she wasn't very Lucky, was she!
And...um... New York sucks!
- R92, will insurance cover the likely high costs due to litigation and renovation? Otherwise are you so confident that the building itself will not become a white elephant?
- Marilyn Monroe lived at 444 East 57th Street.
- "NYC does not have, and has never had, a social Siberia."
More grist for the NYC parodies!
- [quote]400 east 57th was not a white brick building.
[quote]I didn't realize that there was such a controversy about the white brick buildings until tonight.
[quote]The building where she died is not white brick
[quote]it comes across as a white brick postwar
[quote]Up-close it does appear as light grey brick.
Oh good god are you people for real?
- lol r39
- The problem with East 57th Street is that it's not very neighborhoody. The street is self is 2 lanes in each direction which makes it wide and lets the traffic dominate. #400 means it is at the south east corner of 57th and First Avenue. First Avenue is a 5 lane (plus 2 parking lanes) thoroughfare. That is a very busy intersection. Add to the mix the several entrances to the 59th Street Bridge off of East 57th Street.
Certainly there's no charm to that area. It's busy. A long "avenue" block to the east is Sutton place (York Avenue, as it heads further north). It is certainly a lot quieter as you go east. #400 is not "20 feet from the river" as someone mentioned earlier. More like 500 feet in between a long avenue in Manhattan.
On the up side, Mr. Chow is right on that block. The people who live there seem to like it there, but I personally prefer a quieter neighborhood with more charm and less traffic.
Also, insurance on the building will pay for all of the litigation, but not the renovation which was ongoing.
- One less J.A.P. Like there's not fucking thousands of them in NYC already.
Would be amusing if she turned out to be related to one of Bravo's Long Island Princesses.
- SVU episode! Of course, in that case, the date did it (how do we know that he DIDN't, bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa...??)
- Why yes it WAS, R19.
(Life imitates art...)
- Would someone on her BESIDES me, who lived/lives now in NY, PLEASE state that 57th St. isn't "upper" ANYthing? It's MIDTOWN! "Upper" starts - above 59th st., does it not?
Christ, even half-witted tourists know 57th St. isn't "upper". I don't mean style/price/ wise (is a great street, actually), but again, GEOGRAPHICALLY not considered upper (unless things have changed...)
- R68, by dint of living there years ago, and working for "them", I can tell you, this isn't just an "entitled, high-powered, NYC" thing - it's a Jewish thing. JAP-delight. They - JAPs - do NOT do well hearing "no", or "don't"; waaa! WAAA! "I'm a princess"!
Yeah, a DEAD one now. bitch.
- Hey Stephen! I forgot to ask you yesterday - how did your date go on Wednesday night? Did she go down on you?
- This thread is a delightful cocktail of NYC obsessions: real estate, professions, dating, ethnicity. I love that real estate is leading. Nothing like a good neighborhood bitch war.
- R95, Susann lived in the building on the southwest corner of CPS, can't remember the address or name.
- R109 is correct. 57th street is NOT the Upper East Side. It is theoretically Midtown but charmless is the right word. It is almost the place where one would find a B-level doctor's office.
If you notice the references people are making to the area are all from decades ago. Mr. Chow? Is this 1989?
- Hey, can one you snobs help me out? I used to live on WEST 57th Street near 8th Ave. I loved it! It was a nice full-service building, nice apartment, view of the park, etc. But was I living in social Siberia? And I didn't even realize it!
- Ew, WEST side, R115?
Is your family a bunch of tradespeople or performers?
- No one is talking about THE WEST SIDE R115.
- [quote]And if she's so athletic, why was she smoking?
For NYC women in media "athletic" simply means "thin".
- R105 The neighborhood is no different than most NYC neighborhoods when it comes to charm. Certainly it is not the only area in the city with wide streets. There are other very good restaurants in the area aside from Mr. Chow. Hell, we even got ourselves our own wine bar and other "charmified" things like parks and waterfront dog walks.
The pre-and post war buildings have high ceilings and large rooms as compared to the charmless steel and glass monsters that are going up all over the city and are sucking the charm out of those few neighborhoods that still had it.
- [quote]Oh I am indeed coming across as a total snob, which is ironic because I am proud to be a lifelong Brookyln resident...........but I have a lot of friends in that area.
- Buck never would've leaned against the railing.
- Boy, this thread sure was a waste of time.
- Let me save the coroner the trouble-the cause of death was SPLAT!
- This thread really went off the rails.
- What kind of lady brings home a guy to fuck on the first date? I simply can't get past that fact.
- I will cite this thread whenever I need to prove New Yawkers are insufferable and tedious.
- My Jennifer would be alive today if she'd only married Saul the dentsist!!!
- r82, what is Stonehenge?
- Jackie Susanne lived at 200 Central Park South , the Miami-esque building on the corner of Seventh Avenue. It was built by Elliot Spitzer's father.
- R129, the one that curves around the corner?
- Wow, these New Yorkers debating whether or not East 57th is social Siberia are just the most fascinating and impressive people!!!
- 200 Central Park South. I've always thought it looked like a building you would see in Los Angeles instead of NY.
- R109, you sound like you need a fucking Xanax. Calm down.
- R109 here. I AM in fact mentally disabled; take topomax and Seroquel. Still get overly excited. Sorry.
- "Buck never would've leaned against the railing."
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- The moment I saw the words "midtown Manhattan balcony," I pretty much knew this thread would become less about the woman falling and more about the "location."
- I don't think R109 R135 came off as too overly excited at all at R109.
I think R109 made perfect sense.
It is also condescending and rude to tell a person to 'calm down' or 'relax' especially when they are just making a point.
- Years ago, I had a FB who lived in the building next door. It was full of ancient Jews who were always in the lobby, bitching about problems they had with the building to the poor doorman at the front desk. I always felt sorry for that poor guy. All of those tenants must be dead by now, I wonder who the current tenants are. I also wondered why my FB lived in such a noisy, shitty building because god knows he could've afforded to live in any number of other places.
Anyway, when I was in the FB's apartment the sounds of traffic and sirens was so loud it was distracting. I could never live on 57th.
http://www.urbanedgeny.com/sites/urbanedgeny.com/files/400 East 57th Street.jpg
- Nailed her dismount.
- R58 lives a very sheltered, black-and-white existance.
- This like some weird Final Destination scenario for female advertising execs.
Any NYers remember Suzanne Hart, another advertising executive, crushed in her Madison ave elevator?
What will be the next gruesome way one of these woman will die? Sucked down a toilet?
- I work in advertising in NYC. All the women are either like this one who died--cunty, super-entitled, and overly ambitious--or bitter, angry, middle aged, and menopausal. Any way you serve, most of them are not nice people.
- Most New Yorkers aren't nice people, R143. We have known that for decades.
- R144, I do not find that to be true at all.
- What R144 said.
I wonder what kind of funeral sociopaths plan for other sociopaths. It would be interesting to lady.
- Think "Bonfire of the Vanities," R146.
- [quote]All the women are either like this one who died--cunty, super-entitled, and overly ambitious
I'm sure that's a completely sound conclusion you've arrived at about this woman based on little information beyond her age, occupation, address, and the fact that she behaved recklessly in regard to her balcony railing.
- Sadly, it seems like she was trying to be overly nonchalant and look cool with the date she had met online....
lighting up a cigarette, needing to smoke, maybe needing to smoke for the mental uplift or to calm her nerves, trying to look cool and nonchalant....
and then sitting on the railing or leaning against it....
the Daily Mail article said she put her leg up on the railing to stretch - another contrived move to try to look nonchalant to her first time date
- She certainly was a very attractive woman.
- You gotta love the New York Times, some dumb bitch falls off the balcony and the first quote in their story goes to an urban studies sociologist.
- It's a very unusual balcony. Not even wide enough for a single dining chair. A very very tiny balcony. For standing only. Too bad she had not purchased a small round or square stool to sit on.
The balcony has such a very low metal railing, and only the corner apartments even have a balcony at all.
It looks like the metal railing was mostly decorative rather than a safety feature or a feature that really works.
- Back to the white brick for a minute, what were they thinking? The air in NYC, all major cities for that matter, was so dirty in the 50's and 60's that it defies logic to build something out of a material that was sure to look like Hell in just a few years.
Was there an army of maintenance men out there on window cleaning scaffolds cleaning that brick in the early days?
- So what happened to the cigarette?
- Was this a failed marketing attempt for FIRST DATE the Broadway musical?
- "She certainly was a very attractive woman."
Yes, but I would bet my porn collection she had visited, or been taken to, at least one plastic surgeon in her lifetime. Especially with that last name.
- [quote]So what happened to the cigarette?
[quote]What will be the next gruesome way one of these woman will die? Sucked down a toilet?
Two spews within 1 minute. Thank you both.
- Sorry, but going from Lucky to a network startup is NOT A-List in media ad sales. Even worse than living in a white brick building.
- R132, I have a friend who lives there and I always thought it looked like Watergate. I also had to go there to get a flu shot last fall in some dude's apartment.
- Media Director profile, and yes it doesn't hurt to be Jewish.
- The idea was it would get washed every time it rained, R153.
- Sutton Place WAS considered very high end and posh, but that was back in the 1950's and 60's. It still is for a lot of old people, but its just too far for the subways to hold its value. You can buy huge apartments there for relatively cheap prices (compared to other parts of Manhattan), but they all have ridiculously high monthly maintenance fees.
- THank you, R138!
(A grateful R109/R135 here.)
- Are you fucking people insane???
The woman DIED and all you can talk about is the color of the building, social Siberia, how the busses run??
What the fuck is wrong with you? Did you all just step out of a Woody Allen movie?
THE WOMAN DIED A TRAGIC DEATH!
- Dorothy Zbornak: Rose, what do you call a girl who's slept with a man she's known for less than one day?
Blanche Devereaux: A damn good sport?
Dorothy Zbornak: I call her a tramp.
- [quote]THE WOMAN DIED A TRAGIC DEATH!
The only tragedy was that she was *renting* at 35.
Plus she ruined access to outdoor space for dozens of other who aren't stupid enough to sit on the railings of their balcony.
Cougar down, plain and simple
- [quote]The only tragedy was that she was *renting* at 35.
In NYC it is not at all uncommon for people to still be renting at that age, because the real estate is so damn expensive. If she lived in Bumfucke I would agree with you, but NY is different.
- What kind of girl sleeps with a guy on the first date? I'm not one to normally judge, but I think we all know what she was.
- Add R158 to the list of sociopaths. Where's Anonymous when you need them?
- Well....it's a start.
- This thread is the online equivalent of the Chuckles the Clown Bites the Dust Episode.
A little song, a little dance,a little seltzer down your pants
- R79, you heard this woman fall to her death? That's terrible. I'm so sorry.
- Bloomberg must be thrilled that there's one less smoker in New York.
- Dear thread participants: I hope people make fun of you when you die an unexpected and shocking death.
I'm sure most of you have low social status and bring men home on the first "date."
- Who let the asshole @ r174 in?
- First date?? She shouldn't have rested her wet ham sandwich so precariously.
- Hopefully she at least got that dick before falling. Post-coital cigarette?
- I want to know where she met this man? Was it a date, or did she pick him up at a bar? The poor guy is going to have to live with this for the rest of his life. All he probably wanted was a "hit and run". Everytime he fucks a woman, the image of her falling to her death will be front and center in his mind. I wonder if this will turn him off sex with women for good.
- R178 Supposedly they met through the Internet. The stories I read didn't specify if it was through a dating site or something other.
- [quote]Another New Yorker dead!
Not a native NY'er. We aren't stupid enough to sit on a balcony railing 17 floors up.
- I'm guessing the cigarette was post-coital. This happened at 12:50? How late could they have been at the restaurant?
- So what you're telling me is that his sperm was still alive inside of her when she died. It outlived her.
- R181, if it was post-coital then would have left the restaurant at 11, home 11:40, chat 11:40-midnight, sex 12-12:40, then cig and death at 12:50. 11 means about a 7:30 to 8 start time.
NYers tend to dine late, especially below 40 and in media compared to 40+ and finance. I don't think they got to the restaurant until 8:30 at the earliest. Unless it was a quick dinner and not much chit chat before fucking, I don't think he had time.
- Would it be wrong to say her collapse is complete?
- You obnoxious real estate queens ruined what started out as a darkly comic thread. Shame on you.
NO - that means shut up, bitches!
- Do you think this was her apartment? It's 17H and it looks like it has a door to the outside.
Man, she should have switched to e cigs. She could have vaped in the comfort of her living room.
- Wait --- 17B had a balcony
- OMg, I think I see the flimsy metal strips of the balcony through the doorway in the 17B listing.
- She sounds like a 'Samantha', But they were all sluts, so she could have been a 'Charlotte', 'Miranda' or 'Carrie', just as well.
- Of course I have a nice friend who told me that "smoking killed her and is the grossest thing ever!" He is of course, young, POZ and has shot meth, but it's the SMOKING!
- Looking at the Daily Fail photo, the 17 th floor had 2 balconies with that crappy metal railing; one on each side of the building.
- I think this thread was destined to take such a distasteful turn because most of you see yourselves in this girl and so will try to make fun of something that profoundly disturbs you.
- We miss her here at Sarabeth's Kitchen.
- [quote]you heard this woman fall to her death? That's terrible. I'm so sorry.
No he said his cats's heard it and even they were not stupid enough to sit on a balcony railing seventeen stories up.
- If I could afford $4000 per month in rent, I would park myself in a share or a studio for $1500 and save up to get a down payment on a mortgage together so I could buy a place.
I'm sorry if you non-NYers find this thread distasteful, but real estate in this city is our favorite topic of conversation and we can't help ourselves. NY is much, much different from anywhere else when it comes to this.
- Is it possible that they were having intercourse and his thrusting against her broke the railing?
- And since was a casual pick-up (not judging her) I wonder if he tried to grab her as she started to fall or if he just stood there and watched.
I'm better that he just stood there, braced himself to save his own ass, and watched.
- [quote]I'm sorry if you non-NYers find this thread distasteful, but real estate in this city is our favorite topic of conversation and we can't help ourselves.
I am an NYer and I find the lengthy real estate digression in this thread not so much distasteful as tedious and silly.
[quote]NY is much, much different from anywhere else when it comes to this.
Yeah, because we will pay much, much more to live in a shithole than people anywhere else. It's not really something to be proud of.
- Do people really get their kicks watching others fall to their deaths? Reminded me of this scene (watch the old guy throughout):
- Actually real native New Yorkers, WILL NOT pay "much, much more to live in a shithole than people anywhere else."
Most born and bred New Yorkers have the sense to rent right out of high school or while in college, then they stay in those low rent apartments, especially if they are large and comfortable. Many of those buildings eventually went co-op
An old friend has a huge and I mean HUGE pre-war, six rooms with an entrance hall the size of a room! She paid $25,000 for this amazing apartment! She lived there as a renter since she was in her 20s and newly married, then when the building went co-op she got an insider price! There are even some low priced rentals left at the Apthorp, those longtime residents aren't going anywhere.
Another friend paid $40,000 for a loft on Prince and this was in the 1980s, which really wasn't all that long ago.
Real New Yorkers are savvy when it comes to real estate. I paid, $55,000 for my five room co-op, I paid cash and the maintenance is still low, it includes gas and electric!
Anyone stupid enough to pay $2000 to $5000 for a small rental apartment in the city, usually a large 'studio', deserves to be ripped off. I have better things to do with my money, like travel.
I always get a chuckle when flyovers, and other NY newbies, talk about their city apartments as if they got some sort of wonderful earth shattering deal!
The even bigger joke is that crappy areas such as Bushwick are now demanding ridiculously high rents. I know Bushwick, some of my elderly relatives live there. A $450,000 condo along Knickerbocker Avenue? Give me a break! The side streets are still filled with six family railroad flats!
The flyover hipsters and greedy real estate agents are causing this, not native New Yorkers. Will there be any remaining areas for working class people to live? You know the people who keep this city buzzing so the rich don't have to lift a finger? Cooks, cab drivers, maids, nannies, waiters, caterers, cashiers etc.
I reckon most of the people posting in this thread are not native New Yorkers, flyovers always try way too hard and come across as totally desperate. Go gentrify your own states! Stay home!
- I watch Selling New York on HGTV and just laaaaaaugh. $2000/square foot? Over my dead, cold body. Y'all can fight amongst yourselves for that shit! I could live in Beverly Hills for 1/4 that price and never have to see snow again.
- [quote]Most born and bred New Yorkers have the sense to rent right out of high school or while in college, then they stay in those low rent apartments, especially if they are large and comfortable. Many of those buildings eventually went co-op
That's nice, sweetie, but those of us who are under 60 years old and haven't chosen to live in one place our whole entire lives did not have the opportunity the snag a six-room pre-war for $25,000, or to buy a loft on Prince Street before we even finished high school, or, you know, got born.
You and your friends who did make such deals aren't smarter or "savvier" than anyone else, just older, and too unadventurous to consider leaving your hometown.
There's nobody more provincial than a native NYer, I've always thought ...
- [quote] An old friend has a huge and I mean HUGE pre-war, six rooms with an entrance hall the size of a room! She paid $25,000 for this amazing apartment!
In 1979 maybe.
I bought my rental, which went condo, in 2003. $419,000 for a two bedroom, two bath. That was the insider price. I sold it two years later for $859k.
Nobody in this century is going to get a less-than-$100,000 place in NYC.
- God I hate real estate queens with a passion. They ruin everything they touch, and they're such bores.
- [quote]You and your friends who did make such deals aren't smarter or "savvier" than anyone else, just older, and too unadventurous to consider leaving your hometown.
WTF are you talking about, there are still deals to be found in NY, ever heard of foreclosures? Or not dealing with real estate agents and buying property directly from the owners etc?
Great real estate deals actually still exist, it's not about being "older". I'm nowhere near 50 let alone 60. I bought my low priced co-op only 14 years ago! The "older' argument gets really tired.
"Too unadventurous", to what...to leave Manhattan? WTF are you talking about? Hasn't this thread turned into a bunch of flyovers talking about the best, coolest or hippest areas of Manhattan? Ha-haaaa!
Why should a native New Yorker leave the BEST CITY IN THE WORLD?! I was already here! What makes you think I don't also own property somewhere else, you assume too much from one post! Moron.
- Manhattan is a wonderful place to visit, but who wants to live in that crowded, noisy, rat infested little island?
- No, R205, not 1979. My friend and her husband had been living in the pre-war building since they were married, probably over 20 years. Yes, she is actually older than me, she's in her early 60s now. I know this woman from my former job.
The building went co-op in 1995, the longtime renters were allowed to stay, they bought their apartment in 1999.
I have no reason to lie.
These are the deals most people do not find out about unless they are already residents of these buildings. When my friend and her husband bought their apartment in 1999, there were smaller units going for $199,000 and up.
Another reason the price might have been so low, the place was frozen in time, the kitchen was original and so were the bathrooms, they were not in great shape. The kitchen and bathrooms were gutted and renovated by my friend's brother, she saved money on that too.
- Nobody bought a $55,000 coop in manhattan in the past 14 years.
- Sure, there are still some deals to be had, RELATIVELY speaking, but circumventing real estate agents and buying directly from the owner is not going to get you a six-room pre-war for $25,000 or a Soho loft for $40,000 in 2013. Obviously.
Fourteen years ago, when you were buying your co-op, many DL NYers were still in college, high school, or even grade school and not in a position to be buying real estate. That's not a slam against you or anyone else for being older-- it's simply a fact.
And, yeah, if you've never left your hometown and still labor under the delusion that it's the "OMG! Greatest City on Earth!" (how the hell would you know, if you've never lived elsewhere), then you are not very adventurous and likely quite provincial.
- When will New York finally be destroyed?
- R209, you are getting quite tiresome.
Have YOU lived all over the world? What's exactly provincial about staying in a great city which afforded me a wonderful career, not to mention the best in cultural activities, restaurants etc? WHY leave NY for a job, or a place to live, when I would have ended up here, in my hometown? I am not a TV broadcaster, a person who actually needs to go out of town then eventually get back to a stronger market, NY or LA! Are you really this dense?
Most people haven't lived in different places unless their jobs involved a lot of traveling or their jobs involved living in different cities/countries for long stretches. I actually lived in London during the late 1970s, I was not an adult at the time.
I guess reading comprehension is not your strong suit, I DID mention what I do with my money, I travel. I am quite adventurous, I've been on safaris photographing lions etc, I've been to some pretty exotic and fun places.
My job was here, in a field I studied, art, so exactly WHY the hell would I have ever left NY? Once again, you are quite dense. You must be a blast at parties!
- I've always wondered...when people fall from such heights, do their heads burst open on the pavement like a watermelon?
- In which borough is your $55,000 coop, r211?
- I remember a friends husband had a really bad week once. He's walking down the street coming home from PJ Clarkes and a woman jumps out of her window and lands right in front of him. He was lucky he wasn't hit by her body. She said that he told her it sounded just like a watermelon falling and hitting the ground. I asked, "How does he know what a watermelon sounds like when it hits the ground?" and she said, "Lettermans show. He used to drop watermelons out of windows."
A few days later he's walking on the street and a skateboarder grabs onto the back of a bus. They used to do that quite routinely back in the day -- go for a ride, flip their boards around and what have you. But the bus hit a Bump, the guy lost his footing and slid underneath a bus wheel. Really gruesome.
Her husband started worrying the universe was out to get him. They were the worst things he'd seen all his life. This was years before 9/11.
- Are all native NYers as hypersensitive and easily provoked as you are, r211? Wipe the flecks off your mouth.T hen reread everything you've written about the wonders of NY and the reasons you live here, and ask yourself why the non-natives around you keep ignoring your resentful commands to "stay home!" You are no more entitled than they to take advantages of the professional and cultural opportunities the city offers just because your mother squeezed you out her snatch in a local hospital and you've lived here long enough to have bought a co-op at a price unheard-of in today's real estate market.
- "I've always wondered...when people fall from such heights, do their heads burst open on the pavement like a watermelon?"
Only in the rest of the country, R212. In New York, their heads explode into streams of myrrh and glitter. The orphan underclass emerges from the sewer to gorge itself on the delicious, cupcake light of New York savoir faire. The tattered head is then gilded, and hung in the Met, awaiting further apotheosis.
- [quote]I work in advertising in NYC. All the women are either like this one who died--cunty, super-entitled, and overly ambitious--or bitter, angry, middle aged, and menopausal. Any way you serve, most of them are not nice people.
You got ALL that from the NY Times article or wherever you read about this woman's awful death? IIRC, the Daily News article mentioned she mentored kids, yeah, she really sounded like a total bitch.
I personally think she was a bit drunk after dinner and wasn't thinking clearly when she got on that balcony rail.
Not all people in advertising are self-absorbed douchebags, I've met some really nasty people in in-house art departments and other areas of the art field where I have worked since I got out of college. There are tons of talentless, nasty, delusional nut-jobs out there. You can find these types of people, not just women btw, in basically every field, not just advertising!
There is always going to be the office shit-stirrer and a few entitled assholes, it doesn't matter what field you work in. Even retail jobs have their own levels of bizarre heirocracy.
Entitlement issues seem to come from people who were spoiled their entire lives and people who haven't actually worked their way up the ladder, the types who had great careers handed to them. It doesn't matter what field they are in, if these individuals haven't worked for their success, my experience has been, the more obnoxious and toxic these people are. This applies to both men and women.
Straight, bitter, middle aged men, or women, don't work in other fields, just advertising?! Too fucking funny!
This thread is filled with Rhodes Scholars!
Rule by priests, R217? Did you mean 'hierarchy'?
- Well said R202.
- [quote]"hierocracy"Rule by priests, [R217]? Did you mean 'hierarchy'?
I type too fast! You knew what I meant. Typical obnoxious grammar queen bullshit.
- R166: You're terrible! But I'm LMAO!
- R215, just go away. Even better, go back to Bumfuck Land. You have twisted my words, so yeah, go fuck yourself. I guess I hit nerve with you because you are way too defensive about living in my hometown.
Flyovers make me sick, so sue me. They move here, then act as if they discovered the goddamn wheel, they NEED to be on top of every new ridiculous stupid trend (expensive disgusting cupcakes, artisanal breads, snore...), they need to get into every 'important' event, always have to one up others to prove how happening and in-the-know they are etc. Native New Yorkers do not try so hard.
Flyovers and other transplants like Euro Trash, and basically any nouveau riche trash who moves here, are actually the ones who give 'New Yorkers' a bad name.
What really pisses me off, the fact that native New Yorkers are usually judged by the actions of these transplant assholes! That's what totally riles me up about flyovers...they give MY city a bad name.
Flyovers are just as obnoxious as hipsters. Stay home, make your own cities 'cultural centers' and places where you can make some real money. My island can not support the weight of anymore obnoxious poseurs. Even our delusional out-of-touch mayor is a transplant. No wonder native New Yorkers cannot find decent jobs.
R213, I live in Manhattan and no I am not getting into a pissing contest as far as "where" in Manhattan. From the absurd posts here re post war white brick buildings versus Sutton Place, versus what's considered the Upper East Side blah, blah, blah, well, screw that nonsense. Go watch "Seinfeld" if you want to watch some native New York characters have a pissing contest about different Manhattan neighborhoods being superior to others!
- And R178, if he's cute, should he come here and post so one of us can hook up with him? Has anyone seen HIS pic?
- Native New Yorkers are freaks.
- The poor guy must have been devastated. To come THAT close to getting laid only to have her go and die on him.
- R211/previous posts: People should stop knocking you! I think you're wonderful; I admire - and envy! - you and others like you; YES: you are the real New Yorkers! I lived in NYC in the 80's, wished I'd stayed (ran out of $$ but not because of NY itself). THere is NOTHING like NYC, you betcha. One puts up with a lot, perhaps, but it's worth it.
I am for the past 2 years (disabled) living unhappily in butt-fuck northern NY(where I'm from). THere is a nice, sharp, 85-year old woman in my bldg, sophisticated but down-to-earth, from Long Island originally. ANYway, she has a sister, similarly 80's who lives - still - somewhere in NYC - perhaps one of those _ Peter Cooper? Peter-something? "projects", def. in Manhattan - rent-controlled - STILL something like $200-300 per month! OMFG!
And you're 30-40-something? Bravo.
- R216, I am laughing so hard at your post my stomach is starting to hurt - VERY creative!
- R215:FUck off and die, in a grease fire. Or fall.
- Sadly it wasn't the fall but the abrupt stop that killed her.
- I hope her date sold off the remaining cigarettes as onesies. At $15 a pack in Midtown, he could buy breakfast.
- [quote]I hope people make fun of you when you die an unexpected and shocking death.
My unexpected and shocking death will be neither unexpected nor shocking to anyone who knows me well.
- "I hope people make fun of you when you die an unexpected and shocking death"
Oh please, don't be so impressed with yourself. Most of us - YOU ESPECIALLY - will die in a hospital bed with drool coming out of our mouths.
- I wonder what happens after these stories. You know, like how much money will the family get in a lawsuit? How many years will it take.
I wonder about the "mom" who flew to Turkey, Amsterdam, hamburg and Turkey again in order to "take photographs" who wound up dead. Did they check into the family finances? Did they pay cash for their home?
And what happened to Stabbin Nanny?
- The stabbin nanny parents are expecting another baby
- [quote]What really pisses me off, the fact that native New Yorkers are usually judged by the actions of these transplant assholes! That's what totally riles me up about flyovers...they give MY city a bad name.
You belong on that thread about entitlement.
- r222/etc. is proving to one and all why NYC is in his words "THE BEST CITY IN THE WORLD" with his many, many posts. Obviously, it's because the city is full of such delightful charmers with such great persuasive power.
- [quote]That's what totally riles me up about flyovers...they give MY city a bad name.
YOUR city, YOUR car, YOUR golfball... what doesn't belong to YOU?
- All you flyovers need to understand that your sad little towns with its strip malls and Pick 'N Saves are merely stopovers. Manhattan is the destination. It's necessary that you comprehend that.
- You gullible idiots can have your buttons pushed so easily.
- TO the poster who wonders how this will end up, i.e., re lawsuits, $$$ results: depending on building being found to blame, and minus what I think (mentioned upthread) will probably be some "deduction" for the deceased's actions, i.e., sitting upon a railing: the formula is usually to take the person's earning potential over their estimated "working life"; in her case, probably another 30 years. At whatever she would have been making: north of $100K/yr, I would think.
(NYC'ers knowledgeable about advertising salaries, pls help me out here?)
Then, pain and suffering; pain and suffering of survivors...
$4MM? Knowledgeable lawyers on this board, pls weigh in,TIA.
- [quote]A few days later he's walking on the street and a skateboarder grabs onto the back of a bus. They used to do that quite routinely back in the day -- go for a ride, flip their boards around and what have you. But the bus hit a Bump, the guy lost his footing and slid underneath a bus wheel. Really gruesome.
How do you slide underneath a bus wheel if you're holding on to the back of the bus?
I'm not being a bitch, I'm seriously confused and cannot picture it at all. Unless he was holding on *near* the back, along the side?
- Then slow down, Cuntessa / R220.
- Do the circumstances of her death seem suspicious to anyone? Just a little push and over she'd go. OTOH, it goes to show that not all Darwin winners are in flyover country.
- I bet she was wearing Jimmy Choo stilettos , it's impossible to keep proper balance with those things
- Judging by the inane comments in this thread, R243, most of the future Darwin winners will be New Yorkers.
- She was wearing crocs, crocs the poor dear, crocs.
- Inane comments? What is there to discuss? Woman sits on old and poorly maintained railing to her balcony. Poorly maintained railing fails and woman falls to her death. What's left to discuss? It's the inane comments that make this thread readable.
- [quote]All you flyovers need to understand that your sad little towns with its strip malls and Pick 'N Saves are merely stopovers. Manhattan is the destination. It's necessary that you comprehend that.
Maybe so, but you'll never be able to afford to retire.
- Did you fail to witness the inane, protracted 'Real Estate War', R247? New Yorkers are ridiculous.