No bitterness here cunty R1, just calling it like I see it.
Keep sucking that establishment cock though. How's it taste down there?
It tastes fantastic, freeper.
BTW--I've worked with Caroline and she's well qualified. But keep sucking that tea party rectum, dear.
OP the handing of high profile ambassadorships to rich white political donors is a long-entrenched practice in Washington. Has been for years.
You didn't think they appointed ambassadors for their qualifications did you?
Take your pills bitch.
[quote] Caroline Kennedy FINALLY gets a cushy, high-profile government position she neither had to work or qualify for
Who does she think she is? George w bush?
At least she hasn't bankrupted 7 or 8 companies like bush did before becoming president and bankrupting the country
[quote]OP the handing of high profile ambassadorships to rich white political donors is a long-entrenched practice in Washington. Has been for years.
And you'd hope it would've stopped with Obama, but no. Same shit, different president.
I'm surprised she even goes out in public after her downright humiliating Senate bid "listening tour."
So happy with Gillibrand
Her brother was hot.
White women,you say?
Oh, why wasn't I chosen? I worked in a Benihana in Orlando for years!
R1/3/11 et all are very, very angry we're taken exception to dear, sweet, entitled Caroline!
I thought she was nominated back in winter. Or at least there was something about an ambassadorship to Japan discussed here a few months back.
Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, Tokyo is uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh beautiful.
[quote]BTW--I've worked with Caroline and she's well qualified.
COMPLETE bull shit. She has NO qualifications for this job. NONE!
Will they translate the ums and uhs into Japanese?
R12 Why do you think she's not qualified and who would you rather see in the position? Don't you think the Japanese might be insulted if Joe Schmoe were to be sent as Ambassador? Her position would be largely ceremonial or transmitting information that is provided by the government and carefully prepared by embassy staff who are professional civil servants. These civil servants also have extensive contacts with the Japanese re trade, security and other mutually important matters. It's not as though she's formulating and implementing policy in Japan on her own. If anything, I suspect that the Japanese would be honored to have her as Ambassador due to her pedigree and connections. That sort of status thing is important to them.
Her only qualification is her name
Please, op, get a grip. She's a perfect candidate for ambassadorship.
She has a law degree you ninnies. Just being a Kennedy brings a wealth of public and charitable service. The position is largely ceremonial and there is a history of appointing high profile ambassadors. The Japanese like it that way. This post is not Cairo or Moscow or Pakistan. Get it ?
In an effort to assess the qualifications of an Ambassador, it is important to define the role of a United States Ambassador. There is a U.S. Embassy located in each of the countries that maintain a working relationship with us. The U.S.A. Ambassador in a given country is the head of the embassy and basically acts as the official representative of the President of the United States. The first step in becoming an Ambassador is to apply to the U. S. Foreign Service. Individuals must be between the ages of 20 and 59, be well-educated in a variety of subjects and able to pass the Foreign Service Exam, which is given through the U.S. Department of State. Those who are capable of solving problems quickly and fairly, while encouraging diplomatic relationships, will make top-notch ambassadors. For more information visit careers.state.gov. Secretary of State, Hilary Rodham Clinton, will personally welcome you to the site!
[quote]BTW--I've worked with Caroline and she's well qualified.
SURE you have hon, sure you have.
And clearing your cache and posting as multiple people isn't working. CK has long irritated the people at DL because she's an incompetent, classist fool. Party affiliation has nothing to do with it.
Caroline certainly does have qualifications. Here they are--
1. She's influential
2. She's worked with major non-profits
3. Important people like her and are moved by her opinions
4. She's attractive and rich enough to bring a little elan to the post
5. She can use her relationships to get things done.
These may not be skills that people who exterminate roaches or install carpet would find valuable, but they are significant in high diplomacy and politics.
R13, there was a thread a few months ago about rumors that she was to be nominated.
"She's attractive and rich enough to bring a little elan to the post"
r23, at what age did you lose your sight?
Thank god Obama isn't doing anything different from every other president in recent history. That's why we elected him...to be exactly like the Bushes and Clinton and Reagan and....
r20 is correct. Japan, France, the UK are all ceremonial appts for wealthy donors. Plus she'll be accompanied by a battalion of experienced State Dept flunkies to help her do the heavy lifting.
She won't be accompanied however by her husband. The tabs are reporting that he'll stay behind in NY to work. She's going to Tokyo alone.
Like I said, R20, her only qualification is her name.
You just KNOW R23 has been drooling all week over the "royal baby" and has spent her July Social Security check on 'commemorative' items marking the special occasion.
And, of course, Caroline IS American royalty after all. Oh, and she's RICH. R23 is especially impressed by that.
This is a terrible job. A large part of Japan contains high radiation levels. The Fukushima-Daiichi facility is still releasing nuclear material to this very moment and will continue to for decades to come because the Japanese government wants to ignore it. Tepco which runs the plant said that nuclear material in reactor one will be released into the ocean which means it already happened. Tuna three months after the accident already were contaminated. You can just imagine what it's like now over two years later. The Japanese want to cover this disaster up because they are ashamed and because Japan is a big player in building nuclear plants.
Ambassadors to first-world countries usually are people who have contributed to the President's campaign. Ambassadors to non-first world countries are the real diplomats.
Thanks, R24. Good to know I'm not losing my marbles.
About her unfortunate speech patterns. I hope that she's gotten some kind of diction and speech making lessons in the wake of the failed (or never started)Senate campaign. In any case, she'll rely on interpreters who will edit translations.
The Kennedy name is magic in Japan. Women do not move in political circles in Japan like they do in America. Being a woman will be a challenge for the Japanese as well as for Caroline. She becomes the perfect candidate for various reasons.
You are talking about her "unfortunate speech patterns," when someone like GWB was president?
She turned a lot of people off with the way she acted with the Senate race. Her sense of entitlement was astounding. Had she actually attempted to put some effort into campaigning for it, people wouldn't have such a harsh opinion about her. She has no one to blame but herself for that.
Frankly, i'm tired of the whole Camelot bullshit. Aside from Ted, none of them have contributed anything substantial to society since Bobby's death. The majority of them are a bunch of fucked up drunks and druggies.
U.S. Representative Patrick Kennedy of Rhode Island
current U.S. Representative Joseph P. Kennedy III
U.S. Rep Joseph P. Kennedy II
Lt Governor Kathleen Kennedy of Maryland
Robert F. Kennedy Jr, environmental activist
Andrea Mitchel of NBC news reported her possible appointment in April.
Uhm, so I uh, well uhmm,uh,poetry and uhh,mother was? Uh, Camelot and uh Robert Frost and poetry ahh,and well..........well ah uhm,so .....?
Patrick Kennedy IS a fucked up druggie.
he's also mentally ill.
R38, he was an excellent U.S. representative in Congress for many years.
RFK Jr was a drunk AND a major heroin addict.
But he's been an eloquent advocate for environmental issue for years.
The hell he was. He was an absolute train wreck.
Oh, and Robert F Kenndy Jr is a fucking sleaze who didn't give a rat's ass that his ex-wife hung herself.
R40, that does not preclude him from being a very good environmental activist and progressive who has accomplished things environmentally.
Japan? Fine. Whatever. She put her lineage on the table and stuck with her commitment to the President through both elections. Rewarding her in a traditional political way for doing that is not scandalous.
Also, this is not a big job. It's not as if the Japanese are looking to hit Pearl Harbor again. She'll smile and nod and go to tea ceremonies. She'll read Japanese poetry. It's fine.
I think that's what I was saying.
sorry, I meant R41
Save the environment, yet don't give one shit if you drive your ex to suicide. Stellar man. Absolutely STELLAR.
There's a reason so many Kennedy women end up dead.
What Kennedy women have ended up dead?
beside Mary Jo Kopeckne (who was a dalliance) and recently the wife of Robert F. Kennedy Jr?
Wealthy first-world countries get rich, connected ambassadors who have a different set of qualifications. This has always been true. It's not like Japan or Germany or France are going to war anytime soon, have religious fanatics or have sub-standard living conditions. It's the shit countries where smarts, intelligence and experience count. First-world ambassadorships are basically cocktail parties and the biggest problem the embassies have are American tourists who have lost their passports. It's a cush job.
R34, one or two daughters of Robert F. Kennedy (who was assassinated) make documentary films exposing and exploring issues that need light shown on them.
Eunice Kennedy, her husband, Sarge Schriver, and several of their sons have contributed greatly by being immensely involved in the Special Olympics.
[quote]What Kennedy women have ended up dead?
At this point, Rose and all her daughters (except Jean).
well one could argue that Joan (Ted's wife) has nearly ended up dead from her severe alcoholism, which was inherited but exacerbated by her marriage.
Then there's Rosemary, the handicapped daughter that Joe Sr. had lobotomized. Not dead at least but still.
And Marilyn Monroe (allegedly). Don't forget about Pam Kelly, the young woman paralyzed in the 70s in an accident with RFK's boys.
And Kick who died in the plane crash (not really the Kennedy's fault although she used bad judgment). And the woman who claims she was raped by Willie Smith (again not dead but pretty well ruined).
R41, yes, I am quite sure that you have studied the political record of U.S. Representative Patrick Kennedy of Rhode Island and are deeply aware of what issues he pursued in Congress and what important votes he cast as a representative and how he served his constituency.
[quote]Not dead at least but still.
She's dead as a doornail.
LOL! Like YOU have, r52!
Oh, mistresses don't count R47
Teddy turned his wife into a drunk and then she died a broken down alcoholic.
And, yes, I do count the mistress he just left to drown.
RFK jr didn't want to give his ex squat and then she hung herself.
Either RFK or JFK murdered Marilyn Monroe.
Give me a few more minutes and I'll come up with some more.
r53 meant that as saying she didn't die from her lobotomy.
r55 Joan is still alive. Teddy didn't turn her into a drunk (her mother was a severe alcoholic) but the marriage certainly made her situation worse.
Ok let's have a contest. I left out poor Carolyn Bessette! Killed at the ept hand of JFK Jr.
[quote]Teddy turned his wife into a drunk and then she died a broken down alcoholic.
Joan Kennedy is still alive and kicking at 76. Their daughter Kara died last year at 51.
[quote]Teddy turned his wife into a drunk and then she died a broken down alcoholic.
I may be swozzled, but I'm still very much alive!
She's not what I would call a riveting speaker. Maybe she sounds better in Japanese.
Joan's been dead for yrs. It's just not official yet.
Does 15 yr old Martha count.
Left out the poor teen in Boston who was seduced by Michael Kennedy before he skied into the tree. She tried to commit suicide over her plight but lived to tell the tale.
And Kara, Ted's daughter, who officially died of a heart attack after suffering from cancer and chemo but really had eating disorders for years. Probably a combo of everything got to her.
Jackie died of leukemia but do we really know that for sure? (Just kidding).
Don't forget her sister Lauren, R56.
A former girlfriend of John Jr's. wrote a memoir about her relationship with him which Vanity Fair excerpted. She described an incident on a trip to Jamaica that nearly got both of them killed. He had forgotten to pack a "skirt" for his kayak. It's basically a snug plastic/vinyl cover for the kayak that fits around the passengers and keeps water from getting in and capsizing the vessel. Anyway, despite this John John persisted and piloted the couple out past the surf into more open waters that became hazardous with high waves. They nearly crashed into a rock as they were paddling furiously trying to get back to shore before the kayak took them under or came apart. So they did get back. After some silence, the first words he could croak out to the woman he'd nearly gotten killed: "Don't tell my mother." You can't make that up!
r63 Martha was killed by an RFK in-law. Doesn't really count but you can say an indirect connection.
I left out poor Lauren Bessette in my post at r56.
Am I missing anybody?
JFK Jr took out his wife and sister-in-law. Not intentional, but still.
What kind of idiot gets caught flying at night when he has no instrument training.
Piloted that sucker straight into the water.
How did she do in Moot Court at Columbia Law School?
Caro was knocked out of moot court in the first round. I heard she was asked what the standard of review was and answered "uh uh no no" instead of "de novo."
Mark Shriver- runs the U.S division of Save the Children
Anthony Shriver- founded Best Buddies
Timothy Shriver- President of Special Olympics
Bobby Shriver- founded Red with Bono and has also been a public servant in Southern California
Maria Shriver- married a douche, but is also a best selling author
The Shriver's trump the Kennedy's in this day and age. They are all well educated and scandal free (except for Maria having married a douche).
re: What Kennedy women have ended up dead?
beside Mary Jo Kopeckne (who was a dalliance) and recently the wife of Robert F. Kennedy Jr?
R47, How many do you want?
Please read r51 post.
Give her a break! Her father was killed!
She's probably the only left winger with Obama's ear. Don't envy her position with China and Japan at loggerheads over those islands.
I love the Kennedys.
I hate the Kennedys.
OP is clearly an expert on diplomacy. It shines through in the posts.
Definitely, r78. The most moronic comment was "Does this bitch even speak Japanese?" Ambassadors and diplomats in general don't have to speak the language of the country they are posted to as they are generally moved every few years. So, unless they are expected to learn about 10 foreign languages, there's no requirement to speak the language of the country they are posted to.
Carolyn's merely following the precedent of her grandfather, Joe Sr., in getting a cushy, ceremonial ambassadorship. You children aren't old enough to recall , but, Daddy Joe was Ambassador to the Court of St. James(read UK) Not a bad gig for an ex-bootlegger.
Try Caroline instead of Carolyn. They aren't even pronounced the same.
R20: We know she has a law degree. But has she ever practiced law?
Will she live in Japan, or keep the same-old and stay in New York?
Her boytoy is going with her.
Caroline lost me when she agreed to have breakfast with Al Sharpton in Harlem, when she was preparing to run for Hillary's Senate seat.
The mother of the teenage girl Michael Kennedy raped died an untimely death from cancer, aggravated by the stress and publicity from the incident.
July 25, 2013 12:41 pm
Japan relief at Kennedy choice for US ambassador
By Jonathan Soble in Tokyo
When Barack Obama named John Roos, a lawyer and fundraiser who was prominent in Silicon Valley but unknown to the wider public, as ambassador to Japan in 2009, some in Tokyo fretted that the choice signalled a downgrading of the US-Japan relationship.
Japan, a close US ally and major trade partner, had become used to hosting US political stars: since the 1970s, ambassadors had included two former senators, a former House majority leader and a former vice-president, Walter Mondale.
But Japan’s chronic economic problems and the rise of neighbouring China, it seemed, were threatening to relegate it to a more junior tier in the eyes of the new administration.
Four years later, there is palpable relief in Tokyo that Mr Obama has picked a bona fide celebrity as Mr Roos’ successor: Caroline Kennedy, the author, lawyer, Democratic party activist and daughter of John F. Kennedy, the assassinated US president.
The White House announced its intention to nominate Ms Kennedy late on Wednesday night, ending months of speculation.
On Thursday, Yoshihide Suga, Japan’s chief cabinet secretary, left little doubt that his government saw the choice as an affirmation of Japan’s status, and as a boost for plans by Shinzo Abe, the prime minister, to forge even stronger defence and trade ties with Washington.
“I hear she is deeply trusted by President Obama, and I strongly approve of the appointment as a sign that the Obama administration views the US-Japan alliance as important,” Mr Suga told reporters. Japanese media and analysts also interpreted the nomination as a show of US support – seen as especially vital at a time when Japan is sparring with China over the ownership of islands in the East China Sea.
Washington has assured Tokyo that the remote, Japanese-controlled islands – known as the Senkaku in Japan and the Diaoyu in China – fall under the US-Japan security treaty, but has been markedly reluctant to be drawn into a potentially violent conflict with China.
“She’s a celebrity, and symbolism is important in foreign policy,” Kuni Miyake, a former Japanese diplomat now at Ritsumeikan University in Kyoto, said of Ms Kennedy. “It’s a question of how close she is to Obama, and whether she can interfere, in the good sense, to keep the bilateral relationship strong in difficult times.”
Rumours of Ms Kennedy’s appointment had circulated for months. She was one of Mr Obama’s highest-profile supporters when he sought the Democratic nomination for president in 2008, and her early endorsement – along with that of her uncle, the late senator Edward Kennedy – was seen as crucial to his eventual victory against the more heavily favoured Hillary Clinton.
The appointment of Ms Kennedy, who would become the first female US ambassador to Japan, must still be confirmed by the US Senate.
While her nomination was widely welcomed in Japan, media also noted her lack experience in diplomacy or formal political office. She will be challenged not only by the islands dispute, but by a planned revision of the overall guidelines governing the US-Japan security relationship.
Mr Abe wants a more assertive role for Japan’s military, which has long been circumscribed by the country’s anti-war constitution. The US has also supported a greater role for Japan in security matters, but hostility to Mr Abe’s ambitions from China and even allied South Korea has made the issue more delicate.
Japan has also joined negotiations over the proposed Trans-Pacific Partnership trade bloc, bolstering the US-driven initiative but posing challenges to negotiators on both sides, as Tokyo seeks to maintain protections for farm products while Washington faces fire on Japan’s foreign exchange policies from carmakers and other domestic manufacturers.
Why r84? Sharpton is an intelligent and crucial player on the Democratic team.
Would practicing law qualify someone for a diplomatic post?
This is really a unique appointment. One does not have to have experience in embassy work to get selected to be an ambassador. It would be amazing if a story like this could be made into a Broadway musical.
Let's say it IS "just her name."
That's like saying "George" is "just the baby's name," as if the entire ancestry and destiny are to be minimized.
Caroline KENNEDY might just be the only person who can get the Japanese govt to come clean about the perils of Fukushima.
The Japanese have welcomed her appointment.
This is a glamour appointment for the Japanese. I bet the Brits and the French are pissed.
The "Hostess with the Mostess", Ambassador to Luxembourg.
Op, the same can be said about Hillary Clinton. This woman use to work for Walmart now she is considered to be the next president of the United states. The privileges of being white.
Carolyn Bessette Kennedy once stocked shelves at Caldor.
What qualified the actor, John Saxon, to be ambassador to Mexico?
Why would Caroline want an ambassadorship in Japan, when her children are here?
Lucky sperm club if ever there was. She's just lucky she didn't hit a rubber wall up inside Marilyn Monroe's nasty cooch.
OP is a raging freeper cunt.
When John Q. Adams became Ambassador to Russia, his boys were left standing on the dock as John Q. and wife sailed away. Of course that was a surprise to Mrs. Adams since he didn't tell her that the boys weren't coming with them. She wasn't a happy camper.
Because only freepers care about merit, r99? That speaks VOLUMES for liberals, doesn't it?
You stupid CLUNT. You miss the point entirely. She doesn't need any qualifications to be the Ambassador to Japan. 35% of ambassador posts are held by appointees. The rest are career diplomats.
Who is John Saxon?
What qualified JOHN GAVIN to be ambassador to Mexico?
Glad to see Obama is soooooooo different from every other president.
Say, r23, if the role of ambassador is largely ceremonial, what or how is she going to use her name and connections to "get things done"?
[quote]]R1/3/11 et all
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Sorry, John Gavin.
Still an actor.
Shirley Temple was at least as qualified as John Gavin when she was appointed Ambassador to Ghana -- better tap dancer AND she had ringlets!
What's the base salary for her job?
I wonder if her marriage is satisfactory and/or emotionally close.
I thought she was having a very indiscreet affair with some big shot, R110? Was it a TV exec. or something, I forget. Not an indicator of a very solid marriage. Sham marriage maybe, but not a solid one.
Has Ed Schlossberg ever worked a day in his life? What does he do, if anything?
[quote]Her boytoy is going with her.
Art Sulzberger is going to Tokyo? who will helm the Times then.
John Gavin resigned as Ambassador to Mexico at the insistence of his wife, Constance Towers, after his life had been threatened several times.
Caroline's kids are Schlossberg. She's still Kennedy.
Japan kinda sucks. I have to go back to Tokyo on Saturday. Big grey city with no character.
So what if she once stocked shelves at Caldors as a teen. I hope it was as a teen.
Years ago, Young Joe, as Joseph Patrick Kennedy II was known, was my congressional rep. Dumb as a post but always voted the way Uncle Ted told him to so he ended up having a decent record. He had some trouble with women, as most Kennedy men do, and finally gave up politics.
Since then, the best amusement that the Kennedys provide is sending freeper shitstains apoplectic with rage at the mention of their name. Caroline is keeping that fine tradition going. It's still a good time.
Bitch about her all you want but the Bush twins couldn't swing an ambassadorship to Trader Vic's, let alone Japan.
[quote]John Gavin resigned as Ambassador to Mexico at the insistence of his wife, Constance Towers, after his life had been threatened several times.
What, the same Constance Towers who plays Helena Cassadine? afraid of some Mexican gangbangers -couldnt she just pull out the Ice Princess and freeze them to death?
Maybe she'll do something about all of the Japanese kids here at Chanel in Paris. I have to knock them over to get in there.
Anyone think the Schlossberg kids will become the Schlossberg-Kennedys?
[quote]Bitch about her all you want but the Bush twins couldn't swing an ambassadorship to Trader Vic's, let alone Japan.
This deserves a W&W.
I wonder if she'll be granted an audience with Maru?
"Amazing how when a rich white woman wants something, she ALWAYS gets her way."
You mean like, say, Hillary Clinton?
DL has a rabid Kennedy fangurl on the loose.
I've seen her before but she's been working overtime on this thread.
Caroline Kennedy needs to go away. If we're lucky, maybe somebody will drive her over a deserted bridge on a rainy night.
awright, this is the Datalounge, is she qualified to be Ambassador? Ambassadors are either 1) professional foreign service - in dicey places like Libya or 2) big donors in prestige postings. She qualifies as a big donor. Hell, the current U.S. ambassador to Switzerland is a used-car dealer from Virginia who gave Big Bucks to Obama.
Now, the bigger issue: what the hell is wrong with this woman's skin? She isn't THAT old but she's wrinkled like an old apple. OK, maybe it's praiseworthy that she isn't nipped and tucked, but hell her skin is scary.
R127 - did Caroline grow up middle-class and graduate from law school? Was she the bread winner while her husband earned a relatively paltry salary in a redneck southern state?
R130, do you think that r127 was being sarcastic, as in the fact that HRC lost the presidential bid?