[quote]The landmark health-reform law passed in 2010 has never been very popular and always highly partisan, but a new Washington Post-ABC News poll finds that a group of once loyal Democrats has been steadily turning against Obamacare: Democrats who are ideologically moderate or conservative.
[quote]Just after the law was passed in 2010, fully 74 percent of moderate and conservative Democrats supported the federal law making changes to the health-care system. But just 46 percent express support in the new poll, down 11 points in the past year.
[quote]Among the public at large, 42 percent support and 49 percent oppose the law, retreating from an even split at 47 percent apiece last July.
[quote]Just 58 percent of Democrats now support the law, down from 68 percent last year and the lowest since the law was enacted in 2010. This broader drop mirrors tracking surveys by the non-partisan Kaiser Family Foundation and Fox News polls, both of which found Democratic support falling earlier this year.
A new poll came out today showing that a majority of people don't want Obamacare repealed. So there.
Oh, no. A teabagger freeper started a bullshit thread. Sharknado follows!
Fuck off and go back to Free Republic.
" Liberal Democrats, by contrast, have continued to support the law at very high levels – 78 percent in the latest survey. Among the public at large, 42 percent support and 49 percent oppose the law, retreating from an even split at 47 percent apiece last July."
[quote]A new poll came out today showing that a majority of people don't want Obamacare repealed. So there
If this the poll?
[quote]Forty-eight percent of 1,000 people surveyed said it was important for Congress to "keep the program to expand coverage because it’s important to reduce the number of Americans without health insurance," according to the latest United Technologies-National Journal Congressional Connection Poll.
48 percent is not a majority
[quote]By contrast, 42 percent responded that "Congress should repeal the program to expand coverage because the government can’t afford it at a time of large budget deficits," the National Journal reports.
Not exactly an overwhelming vote of confidence
[quote]Fifty-one percent of those surveyed said the delay was a sign that the Obama administration was ill-prepared for a law already facing mounting problems. That compared with only 38 percent who responded that the White House was ready to move forward on Obamacare.
Again, not exactly a positive reflection on either the legislation or the administration
When state governments work with and implement ObamaCare, it works, lowers rates, and citizens benefit.
When red-state governments block it, fail to implement it, whine about it... it doesn't work (duh), and citizens get screwed over.
In CA, a male will be able to get health insurance for $40 a month! That's amazing! You can't go to dinner and a movie for that.
R5 - You lost me at Newsmax.
Ah then lets go to the source of the poll
[quote]And when told that an independent Congressional Budget Office study had determined that repealing Obamacare would actually increase the deficit, a narrow plurality of respondents preferred to keep the law. On the question, 48 percent said “Congress should keep the program to expand coverage because it’s important to reduce the number of Americans without health insurance,” while 42 percent said “Congress should repeal the program to expand coverage because the government can’t afford it at a time of large budget deficits.”
Gee, do you think including the CBO comment skewed the answer at all?
Experts are predicting that premium costs will come down an average of 20% on average.
In the Health Insurance Marketplace you may be able to lower the costs of your health insurance coverage by paying lower monthly premiums. You'll see the amount of savings you’re eligible for when you fill out your Marketplace application. Prices shown for insurance plans will reflect the lower costs.
These lower costs are handled with a tax credit called the Advance Premium Tax Credit. But these tax credits can be applied directly to your monthly premiums, so you get the lower costs immediately.
Odd that so many of these posts have no links!
R5? Linking to a right-wing FReeper "news" site does nothing to help your cause.
I'm willing to bet good money that R5's paycheck is dependent on the US healthcare system maintaining the status quo of "eternally fucked up".
Non-partisan??! Fox News??!!!
No Dem wants it repealed. No real Dem.
A question for the freepers. Do you just want a class war but don't know how to say so? I mean, any sort of missive that might benefit those who aren't already fabulously wealthy is treated with disdain by you and your cries of 'un-American-ism'. Is it that if someone who wasn't born into the moneyed class already, someone who might not possibly want to emulate it and/or preserve its privileged position in society, is that person or group seen as such a threat that that must be squashed?
LOL, Newsmax. "BILLIONAIRE SEZ END OF WORLD IS COMING RITE NOW GUYS, BUY GOLD!!1"
You can't trust anything you hear on Fox.
[quote]Odd that so many of these posts have no links!
Odd that you're able to type responses with the insurance industry's dick in your mouth!
Obamacare has no chance in hell.
Has FAIL written all over it!
So cani turn down my company isurance and get this cheap insurance?
Massachusetts hasn't been complaining.
I think that the OP was simply making the point that the Washington Post says that the law is becoming increasingly unpopular, particularly with moderate Democrats.
After you convince him or her by calling him/her names, you can then work on the remaining 153,800,000 who oppose it.
Good luck with that
R23 believes that the Washington Post is simply reporting what popular opinion believes. Isn't that too cute for words?
R24 doesn't understand the science of polling and cannot possibly internalize any information or facts that disagree with his viewpoint and the viewpoints of his (only) two friends.
98% of Massachusetts residents have healthcare! 98 fucking percent! Places that have begun implementing it have seen the benefits come already. New York residents are set to see their premiums reduce 50%. The facts speak for themselves.
The reason why the GOP keeps mindlessly voting to repeal it, even though they know that will never happen under Obama, is because they don't even want Americans to get comfortable with the idea of it. They rightfully know that once the average American gets used to it and sees the benefits of it they'll never let it go just like Social Security and Medicare/Medicaid.
R25 is the same insurance industry shill posting under a different IP address.
It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it.
I've been looking around Healthcare.gov, the website that will handle the new insurance exchanges starting Oct. 1, and it's fabulous. It's extremely well-done, easy to understand, and I learned a lot that I didn't already know. You can't believe all the great things that the ACA does for us. One important thing I learned is that you need to buy your insurance from the exchange cause that's the only place where individuals will get lower rates on their premiums and out-of-pocket costs.
Everyone needs to look at the website NOW so they'll be prepared come Oct. 1.
The mainstream media seems bent on making Obamacare look bad and unpopular at all costs. Every story on CNBC is filled with dire predictions about the law and Repugs are out swinging and Democrats are not responding.
How long will Obama and the Dems tolerate the misinformation before they start fighting back? It's long past overdue.
What's even more annoying is a lot of the provisions Repugs are complaining about were only in there because Obama was trying to get Repug votes for the bill (which never materialized anyway).
The MAJOR problem is that Americans let the media tell them about government programs instead of just investigating for themselves. If they would simply go to the program website and find out the information for themselves instead of letting Sean Hannity tell them about their own healthcare then we wouldn't have any "confusion" on the issue.
People are not curious and investigative anymore. Not even about issues that directly effect them.
The affordable healthcare act is going to be a big win for the people. Unfortunately, until things get moving, we will have this type of naysaying & lunacy because of jealous republican ass jacks.
Any Democratic resistance comes from people who don't understand how the law will work and/or are afraid of the changes it will entail. Once news stories start circulating about decreases in premiums and more people getting covered for more things, even the most conservative Democrat will jump on board.
Which is exactly what has the Republicans so scared. They have spent so much time, effort and money fighting this program -- imagine what will happen if it works and the American public embraces it. It will be one more very large millstone around the GOP's neck.
Not to mention people whose paychecks are dependent on the status quo, R32.
Bill O'Reilly blasted Marco Rubio last night for continuing to oppose Obamacare even though it's a futile prospect. He told him that it only makes the GOP look like childish obstructionists bordering on anarchists. I was actually shocked that O'Reilly would take that stance but he's been known to buck from the GOP on certain matters and he's right about this.
The GOP know they're fighting a losing battle. The only reason they're doing this is so they don't get "primary'd". So basically it's political cowardice, as usual.
So the delays in implementation asked for by the administration aren't really needed because we have a fabulous web site.
So the inability of the IRS to simply verify income levels to ensure that individuals do qualify for discounted rates isn't embarrassing.
So the issue with the dissatisfaction is that the MSM is out to get Obama and the public simply isn't as well educated and intelligent as those on this board.
So price comparisons between existing policies and the new policies that don't include difference in coverage levels are valid as are averages that don't adjust for the mix of policyholders' ages; specifically, the increase in the number of younger policyholders who are pulling down the average rates. Averages are averages, right? It doesn't matter if the younger policyholders pay more as long as the older people are happy!
[quote]So the delays in implementation asked for by the administration aren't really needed because we have a fabulous web site.
No, they're delaying because reforming the US healthcare system is an enormous undertaking. Idiot.
[quote]So the issue with the dissatisfaction is that the MSM is out to get Obama and the public simply isn't as well educated and intelligent as those on this board.
Very good! For a shill, you're starting to catch on.
[quote]So price comparisons between existing policies and the new policies that don't include difference in coverage levels are valid as are averages that don't adjust for the mix of policyholders' ages; specifically, the increase in the number of younger policyholders who are pulling down the average rates. Averages are averages, right? It doesn't matter if the younger policyholders pay more as long as the older people are happy!
Translate that from insurance industry shillspeak, please.
Biggest transfer of wealth from all of us under 35 to the baby boomers.
That is all
More Log Cabinites spouting Tea Party talking points.
Guys, let's not lose sight: Obamacare was needed because millions of people had zero health insurance. Zero. This added a huge amount of costs to the sytem. Now, more people are going to get coverage. Without zillions of people getting care in the Emergency Room, costs will go down. Not that hard to grasp.
A lot of us wanted a single-payer system but conservative Dems and Repugs said that was socialism. What we have is a compromise. It's not perfect, but remember how much the insurance industry spent to water it down.
But he's BLAAAACK!!!!!
so sorry Obama,
but Hollywood will not be able to save this thing.
Even unions are starting to come out against Obamacare.
R39, it was designed instead to force a lot of us who are younger to pay insurance at a higher rate than we need to prop up Medicare for you baby boomers.
There already was Medicaid to provide coverage for those who have low income.
Don't try to reclassify this transfer of wealth as some noble action.
Oh for god's sake. Shut the fuck up with your stupid unsubstantiated declarations about the Affordable Care Act. What the fuck is wrong with you people?
Freepers, are you actually, really, truly COMPLETELY devoid of the capacity for critical thinking?
Your comments are painfully stupid.
R44 and R45
all the shouting in the world can't save the piece of shit.
[quote]If you’re a 25 year old non-smoker, buying insurance for yourself, the cheapest plan on Obamacare’s exchanges is the catastrophic plan, which costs an average of $184 a month. (By “average,” I mean the median monthly premium across California’s 19 insurance rating regions.)
[quote]The next cheapest plan, the “bronze” comprehensive plan, costs $205 a month. But in 2013, on eHealthInsurance.com (NASDAQ:EHTH), the median cost of the five cheapest plans was only $92.
[quote]In other words, for the typical 25-year-old non-smoking Californian, Obamacare will drive premiums up by between 100 and 123 percent.
[quote]‘Obamacare’ National Marketing Campaign To Cost Nearly $700 Million
[quote]The campaign won’t come cheap: The total amount to be spent nationally on publicity, marketing and advertising will be at least $684 million, according to data compiled The Associated Press from federal and state sources.
I wonder if that is in the original projections for the cost of the bill. I'm guessing not. More money paid by the taxpayers and younger working guys to the others.
This is about the same size Coke's total US ad budget by the way.
I would support not funding this.
Are these types of threads from heterosexual interlopers, or conservative homosexuals?
From Federal AND State source, r50. Good luck defunding the 49 states in which you don't live.
How dare governments make people aware of their new rights and responsibilities!!!
OP/R5/etc. = FREEPER TROLL poster who also is r-41/r-53 (etc.) @ "Anthony Weiner apologizes for sending new lewd photos, texts AGAIN."
R53, it looks like that poster's last post on this thread is R11. What's your point?is
Defending both Weiner's behavior and Obamacare is shit work. I feel sorry for you man. I hear that they're expecting a huge increase in advertising spending. Maybe you could get a better job there.
Keep fucking that chicken, wingnut/corporate shills. Obamacare is a done deal, and it will save healthcare in this country.
End of thread, freeper lunatics.
Shocking that this site is called Datalounge given you're inability to internalize data or present data to support your arguments.
Shocking that you'd pretend not to have an agenda, shill @ R57.
R57, so far the only facts presented here are
a). Obamacare is increasingly unpopular, driven primarily by a decline in support by moderate Democrats
b). The poll that purported to show support for Obamacare was tainted by asking the question with the preamble that it would reduce the deficit (!)
c). Insurance costs will go up for young, healthy males in California
d). The government will spend $700 million supporting the law
And your facts are?????
Press releases from wingnut think tanks are not "facts" and "data", shill.
[quote]The Apothecary, a blog about health care and entitlement reform, is edited by Avik Roy, a Senior Fellow at the Manhattan Institute for Policy Research and a former health-care policy adviser to Mitt Romney. Avik also writes a weekly column on politics and policy for National Review. The other contributors to The Apothecary are: Josh Archambault, Director of Health Care Policy at the Pioneer Institute in Boston; Robert Book of the American Action Forum; Chris Conover, Research Scholar in the Center for Health Policy and Inequalities Research at Duke University and an Adjunct Scholar at the American Enterprise Institute; Nicole Fisher of the University of North Carolina; John R. Graham of the Advanced Medical Technology Association; and Jeet Guram of Harvard Medical School.
R60, go to ehealthinsurance.com, type in zip code 91911 (San Diego), say you are a 25 year old male who doesn't smoke and isn't a full-time college student
Get a quote
Look at the Kaiser Permantente (a health care provider in SoCal).
Tell me the quote. I get $88 dollars a month.
Compare that to the catastrophic plan under Obamacare which is $180 for the region.
Why is this so hard?
And why should a non-smoking male in San Diego pay twice as much for his insurance under Obamacare?
Facts are facts no matter who provides them
R61, so he gets the $88.00 insurance. Where is the problem?
If the government insurance was $88.00, everyone would be screaming that the government was unfairly competing with the private sector.
Oh, let them screech and shout, it makes absolutely no difference.
Obamacare isn't going away - not ever. All it will do is expand to become a better, more comprehensive, cheaper program - over time.
People bitched about Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, etc. They lost - they've lost this one too. They're just too stupid to shut up about it and their constituents are too stupid to see that Obamacare is a good and necessary first step to overhauling a grossly unfair and inadequate health care system.
What makes the difference then? Go with the cheaper one! Duh!
R63 for the win.
Why, OP? Why did you think that?
Look, I like and voted for Obama, twice, but I have seen HUGE problems with Obamacare's implementation. I am no expert, not in the healthcare field; "lucky", I suppose, in some respects, to be disabled: on Medicare and Medicaid; the latter as a spenddown for which I pay $448/month (would be "free" if income much lower.)
ANYway: in the "real" world of workers: ObamaCare mandates something like, if employers don't provide health insurance for their employees who work over 30 hours a week:
Companies have cut lots of workers' hours: restaurants, the Darden chain (Olive Garden/Red Lobster; the small (20 or so stores?) drugstore chain in the small town and surrounding towns where I live (last week there were 9-10 people ahead of me, 11:00 on a weekday a.m.; only 1 person working. This in a town of 2,000 people. I asked about it; a worker told me almost everyone's hours had been cut, and she suspected: reaction to Obamacare.
Companies were given all the way to 2014 to implement; now we hear companies have whined and will now have till 2015.
And I'm sorry, I have a bit of a philosophical distaste for anything where people - unemployed, "working poor",who do NOT qualify for Medicaid (or Medicare) - "HAVE" to buy insurance or be penalized in the form of taxes.
I know I'm vastly oversimplyfing.
I confess, I have NO idea what the solution is. Hilary Clinton came a cropper with this issue, either. I am 7 miles from the Canadian border, and have a couple of Canadian friends and aquaintances who will tell you their coverage isn't all it's cracked up to be, either.
(maybe everyone should have a nervous breakdown/depression/diagnosis of Bipolar II at age 55! like me, and live off the "fat of the land." Ha-ha.)
Hello, r47, the rates quoted in that Forbes article are less than I pay now for my "employee subsidized" plan!
When the exchanges are implemented as they are intended to (aka in Democratically controlled states), the rates offered are comparable if not lower than rates on the open market.
That's what happens when for-profit companies are no longer allowed to gouge consumers in order to benefit rich stockholders, which is what happens now.
Disagree with R63 for the win. Isn't it quite likely a Repug will come in in 2016? and change everything?
When you get health insurance coverage in the Marketplace, you may be able to get lower costs on monthly premiums. This depends on your income and family size. Here are the income levels:
You must buy your insurance thru the marketplace to get the lower monthly premiums.
If you're an individual making up to $28,725, then you ALSO qualify for lower out-of-pocket expenses, like deductibles, coinsurance and copayments. It's all right there on the HealthCare.gov website. You really should take a look at it now to prepare for Oct. 1, when open enrollment begins.
[bold]An ObamaCare confession[/bold]
The hammer has dropped. The sky has fallen. I have been a staunch defender of the ACA. I have defended Nancy Pelosi’s much maligned (and taken out of context by the right) statement to pass it so we would know what was in it.
Today, I got a letter from my current insurance company inviting me to call them and find out what the exchange could do for me. The letter informed me that I could keep my current $600 per month, $10,000 deductible policy since it is grandfathered in, or I could get a new policy starting Jan. 1.
For a total of $105 per month, I will be able to get a new silver policy. My current policy equal to a bronze. For a total of $300 per month, I will be able to get a gold policy. The higher your metal, the lower your deductible, your copay, and the higher the drug benefit.
So, instead of $7200 per year for catastrophic insurance for Carol and I, plus paying out about $10,000 out of pocket each year due to the high deductible and pre-existing conditions………we will pay either $1200 or $3600 per year for a damned sight better coverage and much fewer out of pocket expenses.
So, for all the conservatives who have been desperately straining for years to scare me out of this, and to the Republicans in the House who have voted 37 times to repeal the ACA……kiss my country ass. You’re a bunch of lying, fear mongering and ignorant demagogues, and you should be ashamed of yourselves.
r61 - nice of you to gloss over the details of that 91 dollar plan.
50% co pay 5000 dollar deductible...shit coverage.
That's great R70! That's exactly why you need the younger population to sign up and pay for insurance they don't need, can't afford and isn't economical.
So they can cover the cost of Carol!
You baby boomers are so happy to everyone pay your bills!
What a fine legacy you have created!
R72 is a Repug troll infesting many threads this evening (who is also very fond of talking to and agreeing with himself.)
LISTEN DUMBASS LIKES OF R72!!!
Fuck off, you are full of shit, get out of here, give it up, even if your like doesn't give up, why don't you be the first???? LOSER.
Go play with your Unicorn, go fuck your Grandmother, and kiss my rancid ass, k?
No, R68, even in the unlikely event that a Republican wins a national presidential election (not going to happen any time soon), the ACA is still safe. Whatever the Dumbass Republican Tea Party House comes up with that threatens Obamacare will die an ignoble death in the Democratically controlled Senate - just as it should.
The Dumbass GOTP House has already voted against it, what - 40 times? It goes nowhere and never gets to the President's desk. Obamacare is here to stay and it will never go away. The more people find out about it, the more they like it - GOTP push polls notwithstanding.
If all it did was end lifetime caps on insurance pay outs and provide insurance for those with pre-existing conditions, it would still be a great step forward for this country. It actually does a lot more. It may be bad news for greedy insurance company assholes and loony-toons "conservatives" but it's good news for average, working Americans.
[quote]That's great [R70]! That's exactly why you need the younger population to sign up and pay for insurance they don't need, can't afford and isn't economical.
You are a moron, a freeper or both. Most likely, both.
Most serious medical conditions are sudden and some are devastating, such as cancer.
Any young person in their 20s or 30s can suddenly become ill. EVERYONE NEEDS HEALTH INSURANCE. NO ONE IS IMMUNE FROM ILLNESS.
A cousin was diagnosed with MS in their 20s and another had cancer, without medical coverage, which they fortunately had through their job, they would be dead now. This person wasn't poor enough to be eligible for Medicaid, so exactly what would their outcome have been without health insurance? To pay off a huge hospital bill completely out of pocket for the rest of their lives?
Get the facts before making absurd statements that young people don't need health insurance, that has got to be one of the most ignorant statements I have even read online!
Young people don't need health insurance? If you say so, freeper, it must be true.
As more exchanges open,word's going to get out fast,and the governors who fucked around with people's lives& livelihoods are going to get the torch & pitchfork routine.
I hope some of these evil GOP motherfuckers live long enough to feel the derision history & the public heaps upon them.
So R72, you're against ALL insurance then? Because that's how insurance works, you fuck-head. They're called "risk-pools". EVERYONE pays in, and those who need it get pay-outs, mitigating the risk for everyone.
If you own even ONE insurance policy, you're a fucking hypocrite.
As stated above, Kaiser Permanente is shit coverage. So your point, R61, is useless.
And again, I have to wonder who's paying you to push back against Obamacare on a public forum so fucking hard.
Wow! Look at all the FREE preventive services that Marketplace health plans must cover. This is going to save people thousands of dollars.
Make sure you buy from the Exchange because you may not get all of the great new benefits if you buy insurance outside of the exchanges. And DO NOT keep your grandfathered plan if you have one. The grandfathered plans are not required to offer all of the benefits under the ACA, which could end of costing you a lot of money.
There are no "grandfathered" plans -- as of 2014 all plans will cover ACA-required services.
The grandfathered plans will still use their exclusions and ability to drop you when sick, I'm getting off of mine as soon as I can. I wish this would get moving sooner. The sooner we get this rolling the better.
The Supreme Court has already ruled in favor of it, so it's a done deal.
CVS Pharmacies will use it's 4000+ stores across the nation to help educate/inform customers on Obamacare sign-up and benefits. Makes sense as pharmacies will benefit from Obamacare - but Eric Ericksson has said he will boycott CVS as a result - take his business to Walgreens. Somebody should tell him that Walgreens has already indicated they'll be doing much the same thing as CVS. Ha!
I hope Wal-mart, Costco and Target follow suit.
This is a BIG deal if you travel, and will be part of the insurance plans purchased on the Exchange:
Access to out-of-network emergency room services: Insurance plans can’t require higher copayments or coinsurance if you get emergency care from an out-of-network hospital. They also can’t require you to get prior approval before getting emergency room services from a provider or hospital outside your plan’s network.
Does this apply to my plan?
It depends. These rights don’t apply to health plans created or bought before March 23, 2010, which are known as grandfathered plans. Check your plan’s materials or ask your employer or benefits administrator to find out if your health plan is grandfathered.