You fucking bitches aren't fit to eat the dirt I walk on. Now bow, subjects!
Is Camilla really unpopular any more? She seems to be accepted. Not loved, mind you.
Camilla, even the name is ugly.
"Who'll Die First?!?!?"
My god, The Globe is a class act!
Well r16, hopefully the answer is Camilla!
"Charles' wicked wife collapses and hits the bottle" Lol, what a great caption! The Globe has it going on! I'll have to start buying that paper.
The thing is, except to Diana, she's supposedly a very nice person. Both the boys like her and the rest of the family likes her.
Her greatest sin is being homely and having terrible hair (which Charles adores).
I'm sure the beautiful Kate is a painful reminder to Camilla of beautiful Diana.
William clearly loves and revers his mom. Camilla hurt her.
Camilla has to be eaten up with guilt. Even if she's completely unaware of it. It is there, and it is why she is miserable.
"Beautiful Kate"? You are nuts.
Diana was a self-centered whore with too much eyeliner playing Bambi. Nobody cares about her any more.
[quote]Camilla has to be eaten up with guilt.
Why? She didn't have anything to do with Diana's death whatsoever; and Charles and Diana are to blame for their own marriage falling apart. Their marriage was not Camilla's fault, unless you ascribe to an outmoded and ridiculous 1950s mode of thinking about That Evil Hussy, The Other Woman.
I love Camilla. I think she would be blast to get drunk with. This story is pure bullshit. What 65 year old woman would care about the attention given to an infant?
R21, so you think Camilla is beautiful? The rest of the world does not.
Kate has sex appeal. So did Diana.
Camilla has sex repeal...
R22, you're projecting because never was it implied that Camilla killed Diana nor caused her divorce.
Camilla was very rude and hurtful to Diana. No sisterhood between them.
William loved his mom, who died too soon. And her suffering while here on this planet was increasd by the not beautiful Camilla.
Diana was talked about as much as the Royal baby for the past week. You anti Diana loons can say "nobody cares about her anymore" but, that is far from the facts.
If Camilla died tomorrow, no one would give a shit.
[quote] "Charles' wicked wife collapses and hits the bottle"
She is wicked and she had to say so in her wedding vows. The Queen demanded it. I think she had to say something about being sorry for her wickedness or her wicked ways
Can you imagine if Charles and Camilla actually married when they were younger and had children? Camilla's children are HIDEOUS. children of chuck and cammy would be horrifying
Such a rude story. Camilla has been a great wife to Charles, gracious and stalwart. She has been accepted by the royal family completely and carries out her obligations with grace and a pretty decent sense of humor. They're lucky to have her.
The crass comments on this thread are pretty hateful towards an individual whom you've never met or obviously never be in a position to meet.
[quote]The thing is, except to Diana, she's supposedly a very nice person.
Every time time I read about her or a quote she's made off the cuff at some function, she certainly comes across that way. Diana's sons seem to have accepted her well enough. By adulthood, they likely came to have a better understanding of the complexities of their parents' situation.
I guess they've made so much from Diana years ago, the papers are contractually obligated to present Camilla as a nasty old drunk who's awful to Charles from now on. Few really beleive any of it. I buy Globe every week, mostly for the crime coverage; now I know where the unemployed soap writers are. Anyone with an IQ over 85 can see it's really overwrought and absurd.
The Diana haters identify with Camilla and hate Diana because they, like Camilla are homely, losers with no friends. They will ALWAYS be resentful of Diana because she was beautiful and beloved all over the world.
All the "Diana vs. Camilla Wars" distracts from the central issue: Charles' role in all of this. He's just another straight man, albeit a "royal" one, who wants everything: the wife needed for the job and the mistress on the side - and can't understand why that might be a problem. His daddy might have been able to do both but his daddy isn't heir to the throne as well.
r22 is the other woman who is only used for sex.
Sure the married part of the affair equation is more to blame, but that doesn't make it okay to carry on an affair with an unavailable person. I know, I know the world's not black and white, blah, blah, blah.
[quote]If Camilla died tomorrow, no one would give a shit.
How dare you!
She's the people's horse.
[quote]Camilla's children are HIDEOUS
Harsh, but Andrew Parker-Bowles is no Adonis.
[quote]He's just another straight man
A DL poster regularly insists that Charles is at least bi, and that Camilla is fully cool with the situation. As well she might be.
[quote]Diana was talked about as much as the Royal baby for the past week
And when Kate pops out a girl she'll be talked about yet more when it comes to names. Rightly so.
R30 was homeschooled
[quote]I'm sure the beautiful Kate is a painful reminder to Camilla of beautiful Diana.
Oh, hunty please! Kate is much prettier than that mentally-ill slut Diana.
Mentally ill would be the deranged Diana haters.
I'm with R29. Camilla would be the one royal I'd love to have a drink with.
I'd much rather hang out with William, Harry or even Charles before Camilla
I hear Lillibet can drink Cams under the table and that when she gets really hammered, Lizzy starts to get very frisky. Especially with women.
I seriously doubt someone as ugly as Camilla craves attention. An average person would shun the type of scrutiny that troll garners!!!
[quote]Camilla was very rude and hurtful to Diana. No sisterhood between them.
WTF? Why should there have been "sisterhood" between them? They did not have a relationship--the only thing they had in common was the same man was fucking them. And that was not Camilla's fault.
R41, come sit by me.
Queen Cammy, on her fourth G & T
[quote]Why should there have been "sisterhood" between them? They did not have a relationship--the only thing they had in common was the same man was fucking them. And that was not Camilla's fault.
R47. Yes, it was Camilla's fault. It was also Charles' fault. Camilla should have backed off and not put herself in the middle of Diana's marriage. Camilla set her sights on disrupting Diana's marriage even before it got started and of course during the entire duration of the marriage.
Charles and Camilla expected Diana to just put up with their shit. Diana refused, and C&C along with the rest of the royal family refused to accept that Charles was married--to Diana--not to the Rottweiler, Camilla. Charles and Camilla are slimy assholes. So yes, it was Camilla's fault.
You just know, they will not honor their promise, and Charles will make her Queen.
She has been dressing better for the last couple years. They must have hired somebody to pick out her clothes.
Will Camilla have a complete hysterical breakdown if Charles kicks the bucket before his mother and thus never becomes king?
I'm dumbfounded by the lot of Marys! in this thread. Charles and Camilla were an item for some time in their 20s; Charles typically dithered in proposing to her for whatever reasons/s (some say her lack of virginity was an issue), she got tired of waiting around and married Andrew P-B, who at the time was considered hot and one of the biggest catches of the day. Charles & Camilla stayed friends. When APB's serial infidelities broke down that marriage and various stresses had broken down Charles & Diana, C&C resumed their relationship. Camilla never "set her sights" on destroying anything before Diana's marriage; that's a wives tale for people who read Harlequins (Mills &Boon for you UKers) all day long.
C&C didn't necessarily expect Diana to "put up with their shit"; you forget that all involved were born/raised in the high upper reaches of UK society, infidelity after a time is almost expected in those marriages and at the least tolerated. The parents of nearly all of them lived the same way. No one from that strata is "shocked" by anyone cheating with others from the same background as long as the paternity of the children isn't compromised or finances/social standing affected.
Stop turning it all into a bigger drama than it was. Diana was media-savvy and knew how to manipulate it all to her advantage. Not criticizing her for it, it worked well for her. But to say she was shocked by C&C is ridic.
R50. I hope Charles and Camilla do honor their promise. When they got married, the palace issued a statement saying that when Charles becomes king, Camilla would be referred to as princess consort, out of deference to Diana and her popularity. Camilla does not deserve to be queen seeing how ruthless she and Charles were when Charles and Diana were married.
r54 hate to break this to you but its widely known that Charles is hell bent and determined to have Camilla fully recognized as HM the Queen once QEII dies. The business about calling her "Princess Consort" etc. was done at the time they wed to make it more publicly palatable; he has no intention of honoring this.
I'm of two sides with this: on one hand he made the intended compromise when he married her, he should likely perhaps honor it; however Camilla will legally be Queen so why not let it be so.
Diana is now long gone - yes still loved but gone - its likely time to embrace reality and move forward.
Basically, R53, if Charles had a set of balls way back when he would have married Camilla and none of this other mess would have happened. The blame for all of this rests with Pussy Charles.
[quote]The thing is, except to Diana, she's supposedly a very nice person. Both the boys like her and the rest of the family likes her.
The boys are "playing nice", tolerating her until Charles kicks. Then William's true dark side (the side he doesn't show the paps) will be revealed to the rottweiler.
Here are Will & Kate's olympic VIP passes, with their bitch-faces in full effect--fear them, Camilla:
"[R22] is the other woman who is only used for sex."
I'm a man, you idiot.
I seriously doubt that "the boys" are particularly chummy with the woman their father carried on with while married to their mother. They are no doubt cordial and put on a good front for the sake of the family, but the real test will be what happens if she's still around when Charles kicks the bucket.
[quote]Charles & Camilla stayed friends. When APB's serial infidelities broke down that marriage and various stresses had broken down Charles & Diana, C&C resumed their relationship.
R53. You are wrong. Charles and Camilla did not wait to resume their affair until after Diana's marriage with Charles had broken down. Charles and Camilla were having an affair nearly the entire time of Diana's marriage. Charles married Diana, but his relationship with Camilla never stopped. It may not have been hot and heavy at all times, but it was going on and didn't stop.
Diana was only 20 years old when she got married. Both Charles and Camilla were considerably older. Even if the aristocracy cheat on each other, a 20-year old expects a bit more from her marriage than Charles gave to Diana when both he and Camilla were in their early-- to mid-'30s carrying on an affair in plain sight.
Diana was also a modern woman of the day. Times had changed. Regardless of what the aristocracy did before Diana, she didn't feel that she had to put up with an affair happening right under her nose. Of course, Camilla wasn't going to stop because she and Charles had no scruples and subscribed to the aristocracy doing what they damned well pleased.
What is all this sanctioning cheating by Charles and Camilla? They were wrong from the start. And perhaps they didn't specifically say to themselves, "We're out to destroy Diana's marriage from the start," but that is the direct result of what happens especially when the woman Charles married was only 20 year old--and Charles and Camilla didn't give a shit who was in their way of their cheating.
Please. Charles and Camilla may be the picture of refined aristocracy now, but they were despicable to Diana, and they didn't care. Nor did Charles care what this was doing to his kids even if the kids are okay with it now. We'll also see how okay they are with Camilla when Charles dies.
Would you think that it would be okay for William to cheat just because he was "brought up that way." No, I didn't think so.
Wen I hear the name Camilla, I think of tampons.
So who did Prince Philip mess around with? Is it common knowledge?
When Charles kicks the bucket, I doubt Camilla will even be welcomed to Balmoral.
I know they're of an advanced age, but are C & C still playing the field? Is Charles, at least?
Don’t know what your sources are r62 but there is no evidence to support that C&C were sleeping together back in 81 or “nearly the entire time” of C&D’s marriage. There’s every indication that it was well after 1986 that they re-kindled things. C&D had already been having major issues and Diana was fully engrossed in an affair with Hewitt and possibly James Gilbey.
Diana was a “modern woman of the day” but she was also fully of her class, and they have always (still do) have a very different set of values re marital fidelity than the rest of us. She herself indulged in relationships outside her marriage, not all of them just sexual.
[quote] Would you think that it would be okay for William to cheat just because he was "brought up that way." No, I didn't think so.
I wouldn’t condone it no, but I certainly wouldn’t be shocked at it.
[quote]When Charles kicks the bucket, I doubt Camilla will even be welcomed to Balmoral.
Once Charles is gone why would she ever be at Balmoral or even want to? She'll be elderly and will spend her time with her own kids and grandkids, probably at her own country home.
As Fallon Carrington once said: The rich are different, Krystle.
They all look really happy to me. Ted Koppel made some very beautiful babies.
Things would've been much more copacetic (and vastly more boring) if Ted had just married Camilla back in the 70s and then quietly cheater on [italic]her[/italic].
But then we wouldn't have the hotness that is Prince Harry.
R67. Diana (via Diana's friends) reported to Andrew Morton in his book that Charles and Camilla were secretly seeing each other before Diana's wedding (discovered after Diana's wedding). Camilla was even calling Charles while he was on his honeymoon with Diana. Camilla was inserting herself and creating tension while Charles and Diana were on their goddamn honeymoon. Charles of course didn't mind at all. Diana minded very much.
Also, Camilla had given Charles a set of cufflinks for his wedding to Diana engraved with "F&G" which stands for "Fred & Gladys," the pet names Charles and Camilla's called each other. (By the way, Camilla didn't give Diana a gift.) And then Charles tried to hide the cufflinks and pass them off as nothing when Diana confronted him.
Camilla was in the mix from the start. What single woman gives cufflinks to a man who is not her husband with pet names engraved if there's not some sot of an affair going on? Camilla and Charles were shit-stirring adulterers before and during Diana's marriage.
Yes, Diana eventually had an affair outside of her marriage, but it was several years after she had been putting up with this blatant affair between Charles and Camilla that everyone expected Diana to just accept. She wasn't going to accept it. And she was right not to accept it. She was a young mother, newly married. Why should she have to put up with a cheating husband and Camilla fucking Parker Bowles?
Charles will likely outlive Camilla. He's a man in his mid 60s whose parents are still alive and whose grandmother was a centenarian (despite boozing and smoking). He has longevity on both sides. Camilla looked like an old washerwoman in her 20s and she is a known smoker with health rumors. She doesn't have to worry about what will happen once Charles kicks off. She probably doesn't have to worry about whether she'll be called Queen or not.
Calm down r62/72 I didn’t say she had to “put up” with it; clearly she didn’t they got divorced. I said it wouldn’t have shocked her or the people around them. Upper class brits don’t have the same outlook the rest have.
Goodness people get over-invested in this. Still.
Isn't the issue with Camilla being queen is that her marriage to Charles is a civil marriage. The monarch is also the head of the Church of England and both are crowned by archbishops.
I'm from the US so maybe one of the Brits could shed some light on this.
R67. You're rather overly invested yourself.
And by the way, Camilla was a cheating whore in this whole mess. She might be fine now. She was not fine when Charles was married to Diana--and neither was Charles. He was a cheater from the start who didn't get his own way at the beginning so he decided to shit all over Diana in the process.
When William was a young teen, he was quoted as to having said to his "You've been hurt." William lived through this crap too. He knows who caused it all and the root of the problem. And due to his own family turmoil when he was a kid is the reason that he probably won't cheat as an adult. But don't look for him to make life cushy for Camilla in years to come.
Prince Harry is the only one out of the whole lot that was christened at Buckingham Palace. He was christened at Windor Castle. Odd out out all of them, that his was somewhere else.
I can't wait for William to pick Camilla's nursing home (stable).
Call the old hag what you will but Charles loves and respects her. He didn't respect Diana.
BTW, who leaked that tampon phone call.
Camilla recited no marriage vows to Diana. Unlike Charles, she owed her nothing.
Yes, it's likely that Charles will outlive Camilla. Good genes, plus his meticulous organic regime. Not sure that Camilla has such good genetic luck.
It looks like at least another decade before he'll hit the throne anyway. If she's still around, she might be old-lady tolerated, respected very grudgingly, but loved never. Too much history, too late to compensate. There are bound to be PR forays in her favour - to rolled eyes.
Charles could be the Widower King, winning due sympathy as the Lonely Monarch. Ironic given that for a good while there were three people in his marriage.
[quote]Camilla recited no marriage vows to Diana. Unlike Charles, she owed her nothing.
R80. Camilla owed Diana the respect and common decency to stay the hell out of her marriage. Instead, Camilla inserted herself into Diana's marriage before it even began and throughout its duration by carrying on an affair with Charles. And Charles colluded with Camilla and allowed it to happen. The two of them are despicable.
[quote]Camilla owed Diana the respect and common decency to stay the hell out of her marriage.
I am NOT. One of her FAAAAAAAAANS!!!
There's a reason Charles wasn't allowed to marry Camilla in the first place - she was even back then a used up, trashy whore. She's tolerated now because thankfully the two of them can't procreate.
I hope that Camilla has cancer and will kick the bucket soon. That would be a great day of celebration.
I'm not going anywhere, except to the throne of the United Kingdom very, very soon.
And I'll laugh at you while I'm having the Koh-i-Noor placed on my brow, r85.
Camill/R86, you have death written all over your face. Can't put a crown on a corpse!
I got through all of last year,
And I'm here!
Lord knows,at least I was there,
And I'm HEEEEEEEERE!
Look who's HEEEEEEEERE!
I'm still HEEEEEEEERE!