Why do you say that about Bomer?
Or in general, what makes you decide from afar that someone has aspergers?
Why do you say Chris Pine?
I always thought David Caruso came off as autistic on CSI but maybe that was a conscious choice?
OP, do you know what autism spectrum is?
Somebody on the Matt Bomer threads freaks out over criticism and OP is just trying to rile that person up.
Matt doesn't have Aspergers. Simon beat it out of him.
There are enough examples of Bomer's out-of-control Aspiehands on Youtube, so I won't link to those, but Pine also struck me as a a potential Aspie - just a quality he has in his gaze, and some things he has said in interviews, and look at his body language when he's interviewed - very tight, rigid, lot of talking with hands and clasping/rubbing - not as bad as Bomer, but still there.
Are you sure talking with your hands is a sign of Aspberger's?
My partner thinks I have a touch of it. I've thought the same. But, I don't talk like or really act differently. Primarily, I have a habit of just stating facts, or being blunt, not realizing that the people I'm communicating with are coming to a boil-furiously angry, and I don't even realize it or understand why.
It happens about half the time post on here, Ha Ha.
R8 you sound like you are on the spectrum.
I would draw a line between "talking with hands" which is normal for some people, and the unconscious "busy hands" of the Aspie. Compare Pine's castmate Zachary Quinto and how he uses his hands - when he's not using them to "talk", they generally lie still.
Also notice how Quinto's gaze is very strongly directed towards Conan while Pine's gaze moves here and there and is sometimes not directed at anyone in particular.
[quote]revealed how he spends his time obsessively practising his twin hobbies of shoe-making and woodwork, as well as riding for hours at a time alone through the mountains on his push bike.
Do you think the rugged, virile DILF Elias Koteas suffers from Asperger's Syndrome? He breathes heavily, speaks in a very soft childlike voice, and gesticulates madly with his hands during interviews - see 3:45-4:30 of linked clip.
I thought the dsmv extinguished the label of Asphergers Syndrome.
Chaz Bono, and most of all other 'transgenders' and 'gender queers.'
That's why I don't make fun of her and why I try to be kind. However, I do not appreciate her attempt to normalize her condition to us the 'neurotypicals.'
And the whole thing seems like one big mass hypnosis experiment.
Henry Cavill. Shows NO emotion whatsoever not only in interviews, but in his acting.
Also, Johnny Depp. He's creepy.
Oddly Keanu Reeves, Bob Dylan and Dan Ackroyd are sometimes mentioned
The OP of this thread is the same troll who constantly goes on about Simon Halls supposedly beating Matt Bomer. Now he's trying to spread the ridiculous fiction that Bomer has Aspergers. This troll has some serious issues.
Yes, OP, Bomer's life is better than yours. He is better looking, more talented, has millions of fans around the world who love him, he's rich and has a supportive family and friends. It would be better for you to learn to deal with this rather than spending hours creating anti-Bomer Tumblrs and Twitter accounts and threads here on the DL. Because, frankly, all that is just... sad.
What are Matt Bomer's obsessions?
Daniel Radcliffe is def not neurotypical.
R27, if my knuckles weren't bleeding I'd shake your hand!
Bomer said in a recent interview that he enjoys quantum physics.
r30 But does he obsess over it?
[quote]What are Matt Bomer's obsessions?
None. It's the Matt Bomer Troll who has multiple and very dark obsessions.
OP is not keeping up. The American Psychiatric Association dropped Aspergers Syndrome from their manual last year.
Now you have to be content with being labeled socially awkward.
Jesse Eisenberg has publicly acknowledged he's diagnosed with fairly crippling obsessive-compulsive disorder. That's considered "on the spectrum" and in severe cases can be indistinguishable from high functioning autism.
Is Asberger's DL's new favorite pop psychology diagnosis?
[quote]Cruise is a sociopath, not an aspie.
He's both. And a narcissist.
Most TV writers.
As the father of a 25 year old kid with Asperger's I think you're all fucking ill-informed. The great majority of people with Asperger's also have severe anxiety over simple adult situations like job interviews, learning to drive, maintain friendships, organize daily living. They're almost always very bright but very awkward. Over the years I've heard of one girl on the spectrum who was a college actress but no way would any but the most atypical Aspie have the psychological and neurological wherewithal to break into, much less achieve stardom, in a cutthroat, high-wire profession that requires social acuity, and the ability to manage persistent, major anxiety and unusual phobias.
Yeah, Bill Gates can have Asperger's and be a phenom in his field because it's such an Aspie friendly environment. Matt Bomer? Because he flips his hands around? You have no fucking clue.
[quote]As the father of a 25 year old kid with Asperger's I think you're all fucking ill-informed.
Yeah, well I'm actually on the spectrum so I think I have a little more authority than you.
Shows how much you know, neurotypical pig!
r39 You don't think he's gay, too, do you?
r41 makes some good points.
It's ridiculous to think you can diagnose someone with Aspergers based on watching them on TV.
R41 makes a lot of good points - but in college, I knew people on the spectrum who loved the theater and did act. Autistic people are like everyone else in that they have their own unique temperaments, interests and strengths and weaknesses. Some of them are very shy and some of them are outgoing and some of them enjoy performing, like everyone else.
Some of you are confusing nervousness with autism-spectrum disorders. Here's a news flash, anyone doing an interview for national TV is going to be nervous! And they're going to fidget and their gaze will wander, and they don't behave that way all the time.
Still, I've always wondered about Cruise. There's something so deeply off about him.
How about Mark Zuckerberg? I saw a few interviews that he did where he didn't blink once. That has to be some kind of syndrome.
it would explain cruise's asexuality.
As an Aspie, I think that none of the actors mentioned thus far, with the possibly exception of Jesse Eisenberg, have visible behavior that is consistent with those of Aspies I know. Even Eisenberg I may be considering in light of the roles I've seen him in.
Zuckerberg is definitely an Aspie.
"Aspie" is such an annoying word. Deafies. Blindies. Cancerettes!
I'm a womon of neuro-divergence. If I look away while talking, I'm living my own reality. Please respect my boundaries, I'm telling you NOW so I don't have to tell you THEN.
My whole family is Aspie. It's highly hereditary and the high functioning end of autism is a spectrum, so you have people like Sheldon on BIg Bang Theory and you have comedians like Dan Aykroid and they are both Aspie / HFA.
Acting is an acquired talent for many aspies who are in fact constantly in character in social situations.
Some of these are mild but still make my shortlist.
Darryl Hannah (admitted)
Lots of musicians are Aspie. Most comedians are ADHD, which shares a lot of the same characteristics and is genetically related somehow.
I second Kristen Stewart.
How about Roseanne? Or is she just mentally insane?
it sounds like you're confusing Aspergers with ADD. Chris Pine just seems like he has ADD, not Aspergers.
BTW, I have a friend who insists on pronouncing Aspergers with a soft g, so it doesn't sound like 'assburgers' like most people say it. She uses a 'g' as in 'mergers', so it's Aspergggers. Drives me nuts, but is she right?
We should string up the guy who mainstreamed Aspergers.
I have always believed, and mentioned here on various Tom Cruise-related threads, that he's likely on the spectrum.
He's so "off" in real-world situations because it's ALL acting for him -- he doesn't seem to process normal human emotions properly, so he works hard at simulating them. But since it's all fake, he often comes across as not quite right.
He's hardworking, disciplined and ambitious, so becoming a professional actor was probably just an extension of his everyday acting efforts.
R63 I think a lot of people confuse that "divorced" quality that people like Cruise - and Mitt Romney - have with autism spectrum, but IMO that's also feature of high-functioning sociopathy. I don't see any of the physical signs of Aspergers in either of them. I rewatched the Tom Cruise - Matt Lauer interview and nothing in it strikes me as Aspielike.
I'm surprised that no one has brought up the high holy grail of Aspiedom, Stephen Sondheim.
Here's one I'm genuinely curious about - Christopher Nolan. All his films are about introspective, emotionally isolated loners, he doesn't seem particularly interested in romance or sex but doesn't seem gay, he likes to use the same actors over and over again... in fact I wonder if people are reading Henry Cavill as Aspie because of "Man of Steel", in which Nolan arguably gave us an Aspie Superman.
Father of 25 year old Asperger son again. One more thing. Someone on this thread suggested people with Asperger are emotionless. I've seen them described elsewhere as robotic, cold, even sociopathic because some misperceive them as lacking emotion. Absolutely false. They have all the emotions of the neuro-typical. They just don't always express them, modulate them in ways others are more used to.
I get tired of any kind of awkward. ill-timed, errant or confusing behavior now being labeled "Aha! Asperger's!" These folks are deeply human just like everyone else and they come with the full range of human emotion. And they exist despite what the latest DSM says.
Raising this kid has been hard work, frustrating, sad, surprising, and it's not over yet despite his age but I love him to death. I was meant to be his dad and wouldn't trade him for any other kid in the world. Finis.
I think Glenn sometimes seems a little 'off'.
r60 that is how it is pronounced in the UK. It is pronounced with a hard G in the US.
r63 I think you are absolutely right, you totally hit it. Tom Cruise is really almost textbook Aspergers.
r64 why don't you share with us some of the "physical signs of Aspergers" you speak of? Because I work in the field and I'd say 50% of aspies have no physical manifestation whatsoever.
Tom Cruise does, however. He makes extremely intense eye contact, seemingly without awareness that it makes the person he is talking to uncomfortable. He's also very rote in his language.
[quote]Yeah, well I'm actually on the spectrum so I think I have a little more authority than you.
Actually, no. You clearly lack self-awareness and you admit you have a neurological disorder that is defined by an inability to read body language, facial expressions and social cues, so I'll take the word of a reasonable-sounding parent of a child with Asperger's over an obvious troll that thinks talking with ones hands indicates a mental impairment and who can't control his obsession over a c-list celebrity.
I think the auditing of Scientology would make anyone turn into a person with some form of mental illness. They take self analysis and justification of every single thought you have to most most extreme level of narcissistic analysis possible. Everything Tom Cruise does is self hyperanalyzed to the point he has no clue how to just be and just let be. He's so into his thoughts and trying to prove he doesn't commit "crimes" just by thinking any little thing, he's no longer human but as close to a robot any person can achieve. I pity the zombie.
[quote]He makes extremely intense eye contact, seemingly without awareness that it makes the person he is talking to uncomfortable.
That's the antithesis of Aspergers behavior.
Intense eye contact = sociopathy
[quote]Perhaps the most noticeable aspect of my confidence is the way I sustain eye contact. Some people have called it the "predator stare." Sociopaths are unfazed by uninterrupted eye contact. Our failure to look away politely is also perceived as being aggressive or seductive. It can throw people off balance, but often in an exciting way that imitates the unsettling feeling of infatuation. Do you ever find yourself using charm and confidence to get people to do things for you that they otherwise wouldn't? Some might call it manipulation, but I like to think I'm using what God gave me.
r74 Actually it is not. It can go either way. If you've been evaluated you would know that. The particular question a doc seeks to answer is (1) if a person avoids eye contact OR (2) if a person unnaturally stares at other people.
Don't mean to make a huge statement over this but there are so many 'stereotypes' of Aspergers, even within the autism community, based on how certain behaviors are exhibited. It's a wide spectrum.
Reading the sociopath's essay, there does seem to be an overlapping area when it comes to people-reading:
[quote]Remorse is alien to me. I have a penchant for deceit. I am generally free of entangling and irrational emotions. I am strategic and canny, intelligent and confident, but I also struggle to react appropriately to other people's confusing and emotion-driven social cues.
Josh Hartnett was so subtly convincing in Mozart and the Whale that I've wondered about him in real life. Anyone?
Hartnett = very good eye contact, no hand fidgeting. Doubtful.
r76 is correct.
[quote]It can go either way. If you've been evaluated you would know that. The particular question a doc seeks to answer is (1) if a person avoids eye contact OR (2) if a person unnaturally stares at other people.
I would draw a line between Aspergers "staring" and neurotypical and sociopathic eye contact. Zuckerberg is a good example of the staring; while intense it also has an unfocused, "glassy" quality, like a camera lens open to its widest aperture. It doesn't have the "on point" quality that I see in Cruise.
Keanu Reeves has always seemed unusual. I think he is more able to express himself now but I believe he learns his talking points, the way he learns his lines. Communication seems very hard for him. Maybe because he can't ever be honest?
I don't know how to explain Tom Cruise and his fanatical beliefs? It seems like insanity.
Tom Cruise, who is dyslexic, was probably diagnosed with something much more serious as a companion disability and embraced Scientology which rejects all psychiatric evaluations.
He found a home in Scientology where he is not dyslexic, not ADHD, not Asperger's, but merely misunderstood and in fact, superior.
cults flourish because they give a 'home' to the emotionally needy.
"I'm genuinely curious about - Christopher Nolan. All his films are about introspective, emotionally isolated loners, he doesn't seem particularly interested in romance or sex but doesn't seem gay, he likes to use the same actors over and over again"
That could easily be a description of Tim Burton's films, and in Burton's case, there are rumors that he really has a form of autism. Indeed, his fans joke about it or accept it, and if it's true, he's the only celebrity I can ever see as coming out as autistic.
Which is still pretty damn unlikely, but he's the only famous person I can think of whose career would not be affected.
I've never seen Burton interviewed about his films, so I don't know how he comes across.
Why is DL so obsessed with this? Is it because a lot of you have Aspergers?
DL and Internet forums in general are hotbeds of Aspiedom.
R87 All forums are obsessed with playing armchair psychiatrists. It's unfortunate.
r90 He's so beautiful it hurts to look at him.
R82, read an interview with Keanu Reeves, especially a few older ones he did with friends like River Phoenix, and you'll see he is a profoundly insightful, self-aware and sensitive person. He is very, very shy and a classic introvert, but he is very clearly not on the autism spectrum.
R90 No not really.
Research by Nierenberg and Calero on the hands-clenched position brought them to the conclusion that this was a frustration gesture, signalling that the person was holding back a negative attitude. The gesture has three main positions,
The person would be more difficult to handle when the hands are held high, than he would be with the person whom hands resting on the desk position. Like all negative gestures, some action needs to be taken to unlock the person’s fingers to expose the palms and the front of the body, or the hostile attitude will remain.
People who are confident, superior types or who use minimal or restricted body gestures often use this gesture, and, by doing so, they signal their confident attitude. It is frequently used in superior/subordinate interaction and that it can be an isolated gesture which indicates a confident or 'know-it-all' attitude. Managers often use this gesture position when giving instructions or advice to subordinates and it is particularly common among accountants, lawyers, managers and the like. The gesture has two versions,
The Raised Steeple - The position is normally taken when the steepler is giving his opinions or ideas and is doing the talking.
The Lowered Steeple - The position is normally used when the steepler is listening rather than speaking.
What about David Gandy?
Very poor eye contact, also has the "divorced" quality.
[quote]But it gets worse. Gandy's list of troubles grows and grows as he admits to being shy, terrible at chatting up women, not as academically bright as he would like to be ("I wouldn't be doing this job if I could be a vet."), a workaholic ("If either a relationship or my work must suffer, then I'm afraid it has to be the relationship"), an outsider ("I've never really fitted in anywhere. I've always felt a little on the sidelines"), friendless in fashion-land ("I can't say I have many [friends] from the fashion industry. I've been modelling for 10 years, so that says quite a lot"), and 'weird' ("Yes. I can get on with my own life, my own 'perfections', without needing to explain that weirdness to someone else").
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