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Orange Is the New Black confirms: Netflix is the new HBO
The first thing I liked about Orange Is the New Black is that it premiered on a dull summer Thursday.
While weekends get busy in the summer, so much of the television goes away during the week (that’s the only real explanation I have for why I’m still watching Under the Dome). So on a pure consumer level, this television junky was thrilled by Netflix debuting 13 meaty new episodes of an intriguing prison drama this week.
And in many respects, Orange is proving to be a perfect solution to the drought of quality content available this month on both digital and traditional platforms. I watched the show over the past few days, admittedly at a much slower pace than usual, but even still got sucked into the story of Piper Chapman (Taylor Schilling), a newly convicted resident of the federal penitentiary system.
Orange represents an interesting cross between the distinctive styles of House of Cards — traditional serialized storytelling — and Arrested Development Season 4 — which is a Russian doll of flashbacks and interwoven events.
The show, created by Weeds showrunner Jenji Kohan, chronicles Chapman and the eclectic ensemble cast’s coping with prison life, but makes heavy use of flashbacks to shed light on how many of the inmates came to be institutionalized. Other scenes flesh out Chapman’s life prior to conviction, and between those reveals, the peeks into the lives of others and the main storyline taking place within prison walls, the end result is both linear narrative and rich tapestry.
The format has invited comparisons to the ABC series Lost, the difference being that while Lost overused its flashbacks and rarely shed much real light on the characters, there’s seasons worth of back story left in Orange.
The only main flaw of the experience came every time a new episode started — as visually gripping as the opening sequence is, you can only listen to a Regina Spektor song so many times in a row; skipping forward to timecode 1:13 or so became habit for me by Episode 6.
It’s been said before, but it’s worth saying again: If Netflix is building its future on binge-viewing, it really needs to address a clean solution for those who wish to skip past the opening sequences.
Those who might wonder about Orange, know that the show’s quality is solid — while the cast doesn’t include any Oscar winners, there are plenty of non-unknowns in the game, including Jason Biggs, Taryn Manning, Natasha Lyonne, Laura Prepon and the amazing Kate Mulgrew as Red, who could easily be a stereotype of a character (tough Russian mobster turned tough Russian prison cook) but is a surprisingly vulnerable presence.
Not only is the show strong (so strong that Netflix has already renewed it for a second season), Orange is the New Black represents a major milestone for the service: Previous show releases have been major events, and the channel has used the novelty of premiering original content in bulk to drive press coverage and audience attention.
Now, however, Netflix seems to be seguing to a new phase of its operation — where subscribers can just come to expect, on a semi-regular basis, the launch of new great shows. Orange is the fourth series to launch on the service in 2013 — none other, aside from the animated content being produced by Dreamworks, have been announced.
Which is frankly disappointing; with the exception of Hemlock Grove (which currently has a 44 percent rating on Metacritic), Netflix has set an impressive bar for high-quality original series over the last six months.
Similarly to the golden age of HBO, where the end of The Sopranos meant the return of Six Feet Under, followed by a new season of The Wire, the steady stream of new, unique and intriguing series we’ve been getting from Netflix has created a new, and quite welcome, tradition of potentially award-worthy programming.
Here’s the highest compliment I can pay: Other Netflix series have left me excited for more Kevin Spacey political scheming or Bluth family antics. But Orange is the first time that I’ve finished watching a show and been excited about what Netflix might release next.
- I just watched the pilot and thought it was fantastic. Maybe not HBO, but certainly Showtime caliber.
- What happened to the other thread (156 posts at last count)?
Why would it get deleted?
- This is just a different thread...the old one is still there.
- No...the old thread is now gone. Dammit.
I just watched the last episode and I was really impressed. Ended up just saying "Whoa".
Nice mix of story telling, humor, heart, and blood.
- Why did they delete the old thread? So dumb.
- I've posted this on the old deleted thread and I'm dying for an answer. Please someone tell me that the pervy nasty moustache guard gets some karmic payback this season. I can't stand him.
- Some R6.... But not enough. Now Pennsyltucky is another story.
- I liked Hemlock Grove. Probably the best werewolf transformation I've ever seen.
- I just finished this tonight and I want more dammit! What an ending!
- I am really impressed by the writing on this series.
I love the actors and I love the diversity.
They also have worked lots of interesting themes into the show.
- Jodie Foster and Andrew McCarthy are among the directors. . . Who knew. .
- Isn't it sad that the show with the most women and the most diversity has to take place in a prison.
- I am so hooked. This may easily be one of the four or five greatest casts to ever populate a television comedy. Everyone is at the top of their game.
- It's not sad at all.
Orange... is an expertly done dramedy that takes a hard look at class, race, gender, sexuality, religion and the American prison system. Plus it's often both hilarious and moving. What's sad about that?
- Sort-of spoilers to those who haven't read the original book:
I read it a few years ago. It's great but the TV show is nothing like the book. Which is fine because the book material wouldn't make for good TV.
Some of the biggest difference between the book and the show and other random observations:
1. Piper. She's pretty likable in the book. The real Piper is generous and thoughtful. She gets along with most of the other inmates very well and she befriends almost all of them.. Also in the actual story she was careful not to tell the other inmates about her lesbian past.
2. The lesbian girlfriend doesn't show up until the 11th hour in the book. GF was NOT in prison w/Piper.
3. The real boyfriend is really sweet and faithful to Piper and didn't make any trouble for her while she was in prison.
4. The book had a mother hen character but the actual mother hen was Italian, not Russian. And she didn't manage the kitchen either.
5. There really was a transwoman in prison w/Piper but she was a very minor character. The show really expands/embellishes the character which is a-okay w/me because she's one of my favorites.
6. There was also a nun in the book. She gets sent to solitary for some stupid minor offense and the other prisoners get so mad that a riot almost breaks out.
7. I don't remember Natasha Lyonne's character in the book-she might be original to the show but I could be wrong.
8. Probably the most analogous book vs. show character is the young black woman who almost went to college on a track scholarship. Except she ended up in jail for drugs, not robbery like on the show.
9. The cute prison guard/latin prisoner/latin mother storyline is brand new to the show.
10. Piper's grandmother dies in the book while Piper is in jail and Piper tries to get furlough to go the funeral and it doesn't pan out and she gets really upset.
- I watched this over two days and it is absolutely fanfuckingtastic! Love all the actresses. It's great to see the fantastic Kate Mulgrew again. And I LOVE Laura Prepon! I've known women in real life who are exactly like her character.
I am so addicted, does anyone know when we'll see season 2?
- Far better than "Weeds" ever was. Binge-watched over the past day or so myself. Loved it. Oh, and the the cute guard has marvelous thighs.
- Don't fully get the hype. I have seen 3 episodes now and it feels like 3 seasons. So far I keep watching, but it's a bit of a chore. The only characters I really enjoy are the cool lesbians Alex and Nichols, especially Alex.
- I've seen 3 episodes. I think Weeds was a little better, early on but it's good enough to keep my interest.
- I'd say keep watching. It picks up, and I ended up with a real rooting interest in some of the characters, and admiring the setups for the actions at the end of the season. And, the long-form performances & writing rewarded my patience. I thought Laura Prepon & Taylor Schilling really grew as actors (though Natasha Lyonne had it going on from the first episode). So many great moments. And I can't wait 'til season 2.
- [quote]And I LOVE Laura Prepon!
She's a Scientologist.
- Remember how good Weeds was when Elizabeth Perkins was on it?
Now imagine a story that's better than Weeds ever was and which has countless characters as interesting as Celia, almost all of them played by great comic actresses of, near or even at times arguably surpassing Perkins caliber, and you'll have some idea what Orange is the New Black is like.
- Elizabeth Perkins with the prison makeover featuring her Sharpie cholo eyebrows was one of the funniest scenes ever on TV. Nothing comparable in Orange.
- Annie Golden is a treasure as the mute, her reaction shots are priceless.
- I enjoyed Weeds but found 2/3 of the characters EXTREMELY and FRUSTRATINGLY annoying. At times I even hated them. This show has a great set of characters and an amazing cast.
- Is Annie Golden the yoga teacher? If not, who plays that character? That voice always cracks me up.
- Annie Golden is the mute. EP 2 she was the one shaving the toes of Red.
No idea who the yoga teacher is.
- I also agree that Laura Prepon & Taylor Schilling are doing a good job.
Schilling especially handles the transition from being a good-looking, upper class woman used to charming people and having life go her way...to becoming a woman who starts to face some hard truths about herself and other people.
I can't wait to see where they pick up after that finale.
- As a doubter from upthread I would like to state that I've now seen the 4th episode with Claudette and the screwdriver and it was amazing! Worth it for that episode alone.
- OMG! That is Annie Golden. I knew she looked familiar. I remember her from the film adaptation of the musical HAIR. I always thought it was something about her eyes that gave her that distinctive look of sweetness.
- If I liked women, Laura Prepon would totally be the type of gal I could go for.
- I'm happy that this show has given me a look at Prepon's breasts.
- I love that the protagonist is such a narcissistic bitch. They could have made her a saint, but took the harder road which yields a MUCH better story.
Though it's tons better than Kohan's Weeds, it's still waiting to hit its stride. I think the second season will be awesome.
- [quote]... it's still waiting to hit its stride.
Croggled. Are you sure "Orange is the New Black" is the show you're talking about. 'Cause that one is tight, fully-fleshed out story gold.
- 90% of the prisoners are lesbians, is that true in real life as well?
If so, lesbians are in no place to critizice men for behaving badly.
- "Elizabeth Perkins with the prison makeover featuring her Sharpie cholo eyebrows was one of the funniest scenes ever on TV. Nothing comparable in Orange."
I so totally agree. It was the best scene ever. Perkins was perfect.
- Can't believe this show isn't getting more attention here. It's great--
hilarious and moving, very well-written with a talented, diverse cast, and the chemistry between Taylor Schilling and Laura Prepon is off the charts.
- [quote]7. I don't remember Natasha Lyonne's character in the book-she might be original to the show but I could be wrong.
There's a woman named Nina who, like Nicky, is also a heroin addict, and is a favorite of "Pop," the character who Red was drawn from. Nina leaves the "Camp" prison where Piper is fairly early into Piper's prison term in order to earn some time off her sentence.
I think my favorite detail in the book was that, while Piper was in prison, Martha Stewart was awaiting sentencing at her own trial, and requested to be put in the same prison, so she would be nearer to her (now deceased) mother. The prison administration didn't want Martha there, or more specifically, didn't want the media attention that would come with her, and so they closed the minimum security wing where Piper was staying to new admissions.
A few of the characters (Big Boo, for one, and Taystee, who in the book is called "Delicious") were transpanted more or less whole. Something similar to the screwdriver incident actually happened.
I think what impressed me the most is that at no point does Piper ever seem to feel sorry for herself. She acknowledges that her own actions were what landed her in prison, clearly (unlike the show Piper) doesn't think she's better than the other prisoners just because she has a Seven-Sisters education, and really comes out strongly for prison reform, saying pretty bluntly that few programs that are available to help get the women on the straight and narrow are woefully inadequate. I came away from it liking her a lot more than I expected.
The Voice of the Night
- I'm offended by the title of the show.
- [quote]Can't believe this show isn't getting more attention here.
Well there was another, much longer thread but it got deleted.
- Here is an interview with Jenji Kohan that explains some of the thinking that went into the show.
She does say that they diverged from the book, partially because they auditioned so many talented non-white and "non-traditional" actresses that they started writing roles for them.
And she speaks of Jody Foster....
- Taylor Schilling is hot!
- Yeah, one of the things that is so great about this show is how effortlessly diverse it is, and how they don't shy away from racial issues.
I'm on episode 5 right now, and though Taylor Schilling annoyed me at first, I'm starting to see that it was the character. Her performance is starting to deepen. I also LOVE Kate Mulgrew (not a Trekkie so I've never seen her in ANYTHING) and it's nice to see Natasha Lyonne get back on her feet.
Also, the Sophia character is a breakthrough for trans roles on TV.
- The drama and characters are engaging enough to have made me binge-watch, but the acting is awful (especially the over-the-top scenery chewing Pablo Schreiber as Pornstache and, yes, Kate Mulgrew)and the writing has enough cliches and dull parts in it to make me grateful I can fast-forward.
Count me as one of those who don't get the overt praise of the first twenty posts (hmmmm....), but I'll continue watching. It's good entertainment and the Latina and Black actresses that don't get that many chances at decent material deserve the support.
- SPOILERS AHEAD:
Knowing Annie Golden's impressive Broadway resume, I knew at some point she would open her mouth to sing.
The Latina girls are pretty good in general. However, their accents in Spanish are very clearly Puerto Rican (which I enjoyed tremendously) but their choice menu, especially they take over the kitchen, is blatantly Mexican. It's a minor beef (pardon the pun) but I always hate when they lump in cultures like that, just because they all speak Spanish. Breaking Bad is very guilty of that as well.
- Whoa, my virus firewall did not allow r41's link in. It was a yellow warning. Just giving you all a heads up.
- It's a legit site R47...just go to Hitfix and go back 3 pages or more on the Fien Report to fine the interview.
- Just finished watching and I thought it really got better towards the end. In fact the last episode was fucking fantastic. Can't wait to see how it picks up next season.
- The series is up on Youtube, for now, in case anyone doesn't have Netflix.
- Love this show.
- laura prepon's bee antennae eyebrows are atrocious. other than that, it's an awesome show. natasha lyonne is freaking amazing.
- I just finish watching Episode 11. I felt for Piper's roommate, the Jamaican woman whose name escapes me, and Crazy Eyes. They were really hurt. Damn I wanted that plan that Red set up to take Pornstache down to work. I despise that son of a bitch. I will not be happy if he doesn't get his some kind of way within the final 2 episodes.
- I'm so glad that Natasha Lyonne managed to get her life back together, get back to work, and she seems to be doing ok. She's a great actress and I've always liked her. It's also great to see Kate Mulgrew again. She's been off the radar for awhile and I was surprised by how much weight she's gained but she's still a fantastic actress.
- R40, why on earth would the thread have been deleted??
- The woman portraying Crazy Eyes is really terrific. She has a great range.
- R55, maybe because the majority of the main thread criticized how ineffectual Taylor Schilling was as Piper. I think that initial assessment was revised once the later episodes were viewed, but by then it was too late online.
- Clearly, the weak link is Jason Biggs.
I don't remember seeing Laura's tits.....
- R58, Laura's tits are in the first scene of the series.
- Since when is a DL thread deleted for criticizing someones performance?!?
Btw, I think Schilling is pretty brilliant, and Laura has great tits.
- Loving the show and the performances, as well as the writing.
And I'm completely in love with the cute prison guard. Wish the other thread hadn't gotten deleted in case there was any dish on him.
- I want to watch Orange is th new Black, but it's produced by Lionsgate, and I hate Lionsgate...
What to do?
- The cute prison guard has a Youtube channel with lots of videos of him pumping iron.
- I like this one:
- I just finish watching the season finale. That was awesome!
- Loved this show, but hate having to listen to that Fiona Apple like title song.
MAKE IT STOP!
- I find the title song very catchy. I wish there was a site that identifies the eyes and mouths in the opening credits.
- Thanks r63! He has such a sweet face and a hot body too.
I'm almost to the end of the series, and of all the affecting and comedic performances, I think the one I enjoy most is Taryn Manning as the methhead Jesus freak. She's hilarious and terrifying at the same time.
- r68, just wait until you get to the final episode!
- Does the cute prison guard have a missing leg in real life?
- [quote]And I'm completely in love with the cute prison guard. Wish the other thread hadn't gotten deleted in case there was any dish on him.
I didn't give him a second glance until (Carlos? Cesar? I don't recall his name) showed up at his residence while he was pumping iron. I thought, "Damn! Where was he hiding that chest?" It was pretty much all I saw during a later scene with him and Pornstache at the bar. (I don't recall any gossip about him on the other thread.)
[quote]Loved this show, but hate having to listen to that Fiona Apple like title song.
[quote]MAKE IT STOP!
Agreed. I started fast forwarding through the opening by the third ep. Like nails on a chalkboard.
- Great show, but yeah, that intro is waaaayyy to fucking long and boring to sit through.
- It's Regina Specktor singing the title song. Not a fan either so I just fast forward...
Also, Matt McGorry (the cute guard) is straight, according to a recent interview with Entertainment Weekly.
- [quote]Does the cute prison guard have a missing leg in real life?
- They never would have made this series if it was about gay men. Lesbians and lesbian sex is hot.. gays are not. It's the truth. I'm sick and tired of tv shows trying to be edgy ALWAYS adding a lesbian character, never gay, as in male. We hardly have any gay characters on tv right now.. either they're barely there gay characters, or they are sexless gays. It sucks. We have so many lesbian characters on tv. It's time to add some gay characters. Then again.. I know they won't. Gays are too controversial and taboo yet. It's an easier and safer bet to go with the lesbians. Because at least straight guys can get turned on..
- Actually, they did make a show about gays in prison, R75. It was called OZ, and it was on HBO and very popular.
- I love Laura Prepon's character(Alex) and her sexy voice, but agree, the eye make-up is awful. Please, just no.
- Yeah r75, Oz is pretty much THE show when anyone thinks about a series set in prison. Or when anyone thinks about prison in general, for that matter.
- Prepon has always had unusual eye make-up and brows. Her face is a bit usual...but I think she is beautiful.
- LOVED the ending!
- I just got Netflix, which first show should I each?
- just watched the last episode too and I agree, what an ending!
Though maybe the would-be cliffhanger didn't pack such a wallop for me since I'd already googled Taryn Manning to make sure that it was indeed her, and also found that she's being bumped up to series regular next season (along with the actress who plays Taystee). I don't know what it is about that woman that screams white trash since she's done a few of those kinds of roles now, but she really commits to it this time.
Other faves include Crazy Eyes (I cracked up when she started reciting Shakespeare to the high school kids, and also when she met with her white parents: "I like my hair this way, Mommy!"), the track scholarship girl (her backstory was kind of flimsy, but she practically played two different people), and Red, of course. Can't wait until Season 2!
- I was surprised to find out that the actress who plays Morello is actually Australian. Her blue-collar, outer borough NYC accent is flawless.
- 23 Surprising Facts About “Orange Is The New Black”
- With Taryn and Taystee being made regulars, I wonder why not Natasha Lyonne.
- So sad about Laura P being a Scientologist. I think the character has a Rockabilly style - hence the make-up.
And damn, is Taryn Manning gay? She was charged with assaulting her live-in make-up artist/assistant a couple of years ago.
She was hot 10 years ago when she was the lead singer from electronica group Boomkat.
- FACT: The yoga instructor is being played by Edie Falco without make-up.
- Will they beef up Annie Golden's role?
- Wow, Crazy Eyes is pretty!
- I don't like Annie Golden's character. It's emblematic of why I can't trust this show: Kohan loves cheesy moments like the mute woman breaking into song and saving the show.
- With a concept like this, I can see everybody citing Season 2 as a disaster and disappointing once it airs.
- I have not watched the singing episode yet...I can't wait.
- I know Connie Shulman (Birney) who is playing Yoga Jones. She's one of the funniest people on the planet.
- An HLN interview with Laverne Cox who plays Sophia.
I was wondering how they did her flashback scenes. Did they make her stop taking estrogen? (That seems cruel.) Did they find an actor that looked like her? It turns out she has a twin brother.
- no, R83, her accent isn't flawless, it's atrocious. She sounds likeshe's imitating Rosie Perez imitating Judy Holliday. Trust me, I'm a blue-collar, outerborough guy.
- Agree with R95. The accent is terrible. Reminds me of Rutina Wesley's appalling Southern accent on "True Blood." (Wesley's Australian.)
- Did anyone ever figure out why the other thread about the show was deleted??
- Which episode does Annie sing in?
- Last one, R98.
- R97, there wasn't anything offensive. It appears it was just a case of random deletion.
- [quote]It turns out she has a twin brother.
...and the casting director wept with joy...
- I agree about Morello's accent: sounds like she's spent too much time with a speech coach, and not enough time in the boroughs.
- [quote]I agree about Morello's accent: sounds like she's spent too much time with a speech coach, and not enough time in the boroughs.
LOL - along with some extra courses at the Travolta Institute Of Talking Through Clenched Teeth To Sound Tough.
- Why is Piper described as a narcissist?
(Actually that's what she called herself)
So what does she do that fits that definition?
- Exactly, R91. I love the show, but if Weeds is any indication, it will go downhill fast.
- R75 there have been many shows about gay men. With the way women and men are portrayed, I don't think Orange is the New Black Is pandering to a straight male audience.
- I was really hesitant to watch this show, despite being a lesbian and hearing many good things about the show, because I was afraid it would be another OZ, which I found brutal, depressing and relentlessly bleak.
I'm glad I watched it, because it's a really well-written, well-acted show. It has its moments of brutality and bleakness, but it's smart and analytical, too, and has its moments of genuine sweetness. And the cast is rock solid, except for Jason Biggs - he's pretty bland and one-note. I don't love the actress who plays Daya, either. I feel like they're the weak links, but everyone else is so damn good.
- Laura Prepon deserves an Emmy for this.
- Daya's name was well researched. Twenty plus years ago, the name Dayanara was very uncommon in Latin America. It even sounded borderline made-up.
Then in 1993 an adorable 18-year old girl from the mountains of Toa Alta, Puerto Rico by the name of Dayanara Torres was crowned Miss Universe. Suddenly there was a boom of birth certificates for baby girls (especially dark-haired blue-eyed ones) with that name.
She went on to marry Marc Anthony, bear him kids, get abused by him, and lose him to JLo, but that's another telenovela.
The character in OITNB seems to be in her late teens, so she fits the timeline.
- R101 made me laugh out loud.
- I don't think Piper is quite a narcissist. A narcissist adopts a chosen identity and then her whole life is about others reinforcing it. Piper has some normal run of the mill selfishness / narcissism but her whole life is not around people reinforcing her adopted identity. She does not lash out in rage when people deny her the ability to project her fake persona. She has some curiosity, some self-critique. After the radio story, when she walks into the mess hall to confront everyone's stares, the narcissist would be mortified that her identity as a "good person" was torn down, but I think she was mortified that she had hurt their feelings. I think it was true empathy, based in guilt, which a narcissist doesn't feel -- they only feel shame.
If Piper is a narcissist, it's a low grade variety, and the show isn't trying to draw a harsh light on it. Television storytelling is built around the normalization of narcissism, regardless.
- It got much better and more involving near the end. Taylor Schilling is a bit of an empty cipher. She doesn't have a lot of acting ability which unfortunately is shown in extreme relief when she's surrounded by such terrific character actors. Particularly, the Shakespeare spouting dyke, and Juilliard grad Taystee and her compatriots. Mulgrew and Lyonne aren't quite there yet, but are growing on me. Prepon is in and out.
Some memorable comedy from this show.
- Poussy's tentative menacing of the wheelchair-bound hooligan and then genuine curiosity about her crew were, to me, the best moments in the entire season. I really like that actress, and the actress who plays Taystee.
- Thanks R111, that was a very good, clear and thoughtful analysis.
- I like Taystee a lot, too. She's been given some very broad humor in her dialog and she's delivered every one flawlessly. And she can sing!
Schilling mugs a little too much but I think she's generally a very good actress. And R112, how can you say Mugrew isn't there yet - that scene in one of the early episodes in the flashback when she loses her shit was incredibly understated and sad - it choked me up some.
- I just watched the entire 13 episode run in less than 2 days! WOW. I loved this show. It was recommended by a DLer, - i hadn't heard much about it. OMG, I loved everything about it. Sure, it moves slow at times, but it takes place in a prison - where everything moves slow, I assume.
The ending was shocking. I loved loved loved the character Alex.
I can't wait for more!
I didn't even know this show was lesbian-esque until I saw the opening in episode 1 - what a delightful surprise!
- Anyone who doesn't think Taylor Schilling gives a tour de force performance in this needs to go back and watch the whole thing again.
- I instantly recognized Yoga Jones from Fried Green Tomatoes. That's how unique her voice is. She was friends with Kathy Bates' character.
- Meh.. call me when they make a tv series with sexual gay characters.. lesbian sex is so not taboo, edgy or controversial. If that's what they were going for, they failed. Of course the show is a hit.. straight men love watching lesbians kiss and have sex. This plays right into their fantasy.
- NYT's interview with the real Piper.
- I NEVER thought I would ever say the following words... Lea Delaria is FANTASTIC.
- R119, it's not a show about lesbian sex, it's about life in a women's prison. Some of the women are gay/bi, others are not. There's very little sex in the show. And where did anyone claim that lesbian sex is "edgy, taboo or controversial"?
- Wow, the real Piper actually looks like the show Piper!
- I heard that Laura Prepon is not coming back because she asked for too much money. The producers on the show are damn cheap.
- Oh no r124! I really hope that's not true because Laura Prepon is my favorite.
Did you read this somewhere or is this an inside scoop?
- r119 Most of the lesbians are butch. Portrayals of butch lesbianism is edgy. Guys don't jerk off to that.
- I doubt straight guys are fapping to Lea Delaria.
- I'd like to suck Lea Delaria's toes. I wonder if they're hairy? I hope so!
- ...she could have played Red.
- Lea cleans up good! I agree that the depictions of butch lesbians is edgy and she's terrific in the role.
- Lea's having a blast, getting recognized on the street, etc. Actually, all the actors seem to be having a really good time, and why not? They're getting to play really meaty dramatic/comedic roles and most of them are characters types who know what to do when they finally get front & center.
- Well they're filming season 2 already. One of the writers or producers tweeted a picture. I guess we'll know soon enough whether Laura Prepon is there or not.
- It would be really stupid if Laura Prepon doesn't come back. It's huge hit with critics and audiences. What is she gonna do instead? Another swiftly cancelled sitcom on a failing network about Chelsea fucking Handler?
That said, her acting limitations were apparent next to the other actresses, and her absence wouldn't hurt the show too much.
But this might just be random gossip. I'm not sure if Netflix follows the same rules, but most shows require actors to sign a seven-year contract. And she was already listed as a regular, so her contract is most likely already in place and legally binding.
- Maybe her $cieno handlers were worried that she's getting the best notices of her career playing a lesbian drug dealer.
- So is Youtube like the new Lifetime?
- They are filming as of Monday.
My friend in the cast has not seen Laura yet and the script is scene by scene, no full script....so who knows?
- So happy to see the love for Big Boo! She has so much charisma. I was instantly attracted to her and thought that she s the only one I would want for a girlfriend in that place. It's weird that she does it for me, since I have always gone for the slim, femme types. Bitch is hot!
- Piper's character sucks. I cringe every time she opens her dumb shit mouth. Can't she do a single fucking thing right?
That's not enough!
Tell us more :)
- [quote]Piper's character sucks. I cringe every time she opens her dumb shit mouth. Can't she do a single fucking thing right?
Isn't that sort of the point?
- I'm finding Piper tedious. She wasnt like that in the book.
- All of these women are hot in their own wonderful way.
That's what's so great about this show--they are allowing for unorthodox sexiness and charisma to shine.
I have to say that Alex and Piper have a rare chemistry for a lesbian couple that is rarely seen.
I hope Prepon doesn't leave as well, it's such a rare and authentic characterization*
*I have met more than a few lesbian drug dealers, far more than any gay men. I wonder why that is?
- [quote]*I have met more than a few lesbian drug dealers.
I would love to hear more details. Where did you meet them--in college, etc?
I have been one of the lesbeaux since I was a young teen, and I have never met a lesbian drug dealer. (Actually, I've only met one drug dealer--and he was beyond underwhelming.)
- as 8/5/13:
Orange is the New Black is filming on Convent Road in Orangeburgh, NY
- I met them in various social situations, you know, parties and such.
A few were traffickers who hid the drugs somewhere on their bodies and worked for major international drug dealers. No kidding, just like the Prepon character. Only they weren't as fashionable and hot--I would say that the reason they were hired to run drugs was because they had a more suburban managerial look to them (as they never got caught).
Others were local dealers who were indeed college educated but pleaded some kind of hardship, such as paying off loans or not receiving an expected in heritance.
In other words, these were not women from deprived backgrounds but in fact had a sense of entitlement and just expected to have a lot of spending money at their disposal.
But none were ever caught, they got away with it.
- I just fnished the season a couple days ago - a binge watch :)
Seriously, if Laura Prepton is leaving the show that would totally suck. Alex is my favorite.
- If the show stays on for few seasons they really need to get rid of that awful opening song.
I've gotten so accustomed to seeing drug mules getting caught--like on Locked Up Abroad.
I imagine that sneaking drugs onto a plane isn't really possible anymore because of post 9/11 security.
- The people on Locked Up Abroad seem to be victims of trickery more often than not. They seem to be very naïve.
I don't like drug dealers, period. The women I had met at parties who did that seemed like very negative people, no one you'd want to hang around.
Like I said in my earlier post, these were not women from deprived backgrounds, just entitled.
When I had learned of their drug dealing careers I avoided them like the plague.
Not caring that one is breaking the law and endangering the lives of addicts or recreational users is not my type of person.
If Orange is the New Black wants to be truly authentic, they would make the Alex and Piper characters to be less sympathetic and more unreliable.
- r124 here. I have a friend who worked on the show last season and she told me.
- I think Taystee is my favorite character. The actress is gorgeous IRL.
- If Laura Prepon does not return, the show will suck. Piper and Alex is the best thing about that show.
- Piper and Alex are the most realistic lesbian couple I have ever seen on tv.
- Agreed R154. Prepon's twitter is awfully mum. She hasn't tweeted about being back on set or anything. Makes you wonder.
- it sounds very wacky prison sitcomy
- is the book worth reading, R142?
- Take a look at the Jan. 8 twitter post from the link that R157 provided of Laura Prepon's Twitter account. The photo along with the fact that this woman moved to NYC to be with Prepon. Makes you go hmmm.
- Taryn Manning is good in this as the Appalachian bible hick. Lyonne is good, too - glad to see she's doing well. Love the whole cast.
- Yeah, the opening song is stupid.
I hate the title too.
- I really liked it. Well written, lots of great performances. But, it wasn't THAT incredible.
I think I would have left it on a more positive note if I hadn't watched the entire first season over 3 or 4 days.
That's not even that big of a binge, but binge watching never improves the product for me. It starts to feel obligatory and I tire of it by the end. And, I don't remember specifics as much as if I spread it out more.
That said, Orange is a nice show, great roles for females and minorities. A bit predictable at times, but overall very good.
Not sure that makes Netflix the new HBO. I liked HOuse of Cards too, though.
- R161, I binged, and finished up the season in 2 days. That being said, I have some questions:
How did RED get locked up? I know she has mafia connections, but what happened?
I'm confused with Natasha L's character - was she the primary drug dealer and did pornstache ruin her business by bringing in his low quality drugs? Why does she and Red have such a tough relationship? Was Red protecting her drug business?
And RE: The twitter Jan 8th post - Wow, I can't believe you went THAT far back. Hmm, I'm sure it's nothing more then 2 BFF's moving across country together to live together - in their 30's. Both single of course...but, I wouldn't read into it too much.
- [quote]How did RED get locked up? I know she has mafia connections, but what happened?
She got tangled up in the Russian mob in NYC, but exactly what she did to get arrested has not been shown yet. Alex's arrest has not been shown yet either.
- What makes you think Natasha L was dealing drugs before Pornstache took over, R162?
There was never any reference to that, nor to Red being involved.
In fact, Red has strict rules about no drugs among her girls.
- I don't know R164. There seems to be some sort of tension between her and Red, like the two of them share a secret of some sort. Like Red KNOWS something that's going on but isn't saying anything. red didn't nominate her for WAC either.
Natasha's L's character (forget the characters name) seriously had a freak out look on her face when Red found drugs in the produce basket.
That's why I wonder.
- LOL, R162.
Yeah, I was bored & went thru her Twitter posts. What can I say? They're probably just bff's as you say.(sarcasm intended)
- So the real lesbian gf from the book is MIA?
- R165, Lyons character was a junkie. Red help her kick and became her most loving mother figure ( her own mom was distant and uncaring) that was the look.
- thanks R168.
R167, It wouldn't surprise me if the REAL ex-gf is in witness protection. The fact that she's MIA...I don't know. if she was that heavily into drug smuggling, and turned in Piper in the first place - I'm sure she turned in many others much higher in the ranks. Hence the WPP.
- I don't think we will see Alex's actual arrest. We certainly know what she did to get herself locked away. First two backstories in S2 will probably be Crazy Eyes and Taystee. Two popular characters and we don't know much about them, except that Taystee has been in the system her whole life and Crazy Eyes had lilly white parents.
- I'm sort of surprised that Kerman wrote a memoir that alludes to a heroin drug lord who is still at large. Didn't she give any thought to her own safety?
- Wasn't the implication that Taystee was involved with the death of the homeless guy that she had drunken sex with?
- I love Tastee and Crazy Eyes. One question is the tranny, real? I haven't checked IMDB.
I think Taylor Schilling is okay, she started sympathetic and became kind of annoying. The conversation with her fiance about Thanksgiving was horrible acting, mugging extraordinaire. I really don't care about Jason Biggs character or his storyline. Those scenes are a drag but I guess they need them for perspective.
Fucking abhor the opening song and intro.
Like someone else said, it's merely a good show. Nothing great. It has it's moments with some good acting.
- Annie Golden finding her voice in the finale was my favorite moment.
I suspect her not talking has something to do with her arrest and past and we find out next week.
- [quote]One question is the tranny, real?
Laverne Cox is a transsexual MTF actress. And, as stated here before, her twin brother was used for the flashback scenes.
Not only have you not clicked on IMDB, you haven't even read this thread, have you?
- Next SEASON
- As long as Piper doesn't reach Nancy on "Weeds" levels of annoying, I'm okay with watching her. I think Taylor Shilling is doing a pretty good job up til now. at least when Piper makes dumb decisions she has an intense emotional reaction instead of Mary Louise Parker's doe-eyed "why me?" expressions while she sucks on a straw.
I think Jenji Kohan might have a thing for entitled rich women playing the victim.
- R162, I got the impression from Red's conversation about her father selling candy to a captive audience that she willingly got arrested, so that she could transport drugs into the prison to make money for the Russian mob.
- R178, how could you not have caught that Red is very anti-drugs? What episode are you on?
- R178, you're 100% off. Wow.
- Hi r157. This woman was Prepon's BFF and stand-in. Not a girlfriend - from what I was told by on-set folks.
- Red's crime was being the fall guy for the dead body in her freezer.
- On the show we know Red got involved with Russian mafia but we don't know exactly what she's in prison for yet.
R178, I feel like you're watching a completely different show. Were you possibly high or drunk while watching?
- r178, Red said several times that she refused to smuggle drugs into the prison. All the stuff she smuggled in was personal items like shampoo, face cream, makeup, etc. In fact, Red's refusal to deal in drugs, when another character basically tried to blackmail her into doing so, was a major plot point in several episodes.
- We know Red got sent to prison off things that happened when she got entangled with the Russian mafia. Do the exact details really matter?
Just like with Alex we know she got caught being a drug smuggler, do the exact details of how it went down really matter?
I really liked Mary Louise Parker as Nancy and I like Schilling as Piper. Sure both characters could be annoying and have their flaws, but that is what makes them full characters. I think both actresses portray them well.
- I have mad love for Pennsytucky. She is fantastic! Taryn Manning has the meth-head white trash thing down!
- I like Taryn Manning and think she does a good job with the more dramatic scenes, but she seems in on the joke when her character starts the religious ranting. There's something really self-conscious about her performance that kills the believability of those scenes for me. When she's more vulnerable, in subtler scenes, I think she's better. It's weird because most actors are the opposite - better in the bigger and more obvious scenes and weaker in the smaller, subtler ones. The show has some very broad comedy dialog that not all the actors pull off equally well.
- There was waaay too much of the manning character which kind of brought down the last bit of the series.
- Taystee wouldn't be in a federal facility for the death of a homeless man (unless he was a federal official).
She would have been in a state prison.
Some of you seem confused about what lands you in the fed's pokey.
- What if she dragged him over state lines?
Yoga Jones killed someone.
Miss Claudette killed a guy.
Obviously there is some artistic license involved here.
- Yoga committed accidental murder while protecting her POT FARM (that's the federal offense).
Miss Claudette committed a murder while running an illegal workers trade (a federal offense).
So no, not a lot of artistic license so far.
- The show has explicitly taken pains to differentiate between federal and state offenses. It's part of the drama of Piper's situation - she committed what some may think is a minor offense but is in a federal prison anyway.
- Thanks for the inside info, R181. Please feel free to post anymore inside gossip about OITNB if you get any during the shoot.
- [quote]So no, not a lot of artistic license so far.
Do you really think murderers or criminals guilty of manslaughter end up at minimum security prisons?
- R195, if it's part of their plea deal.
- Lawyer fight!
- I've gotten through 3 episodes. The bloody tampon in episode one and Crazy Eyes pissing on the floor while "I DON'T GIVE A FUCK I DON'T GIVE A FUCK" blares on the soundtrack are two of the funniest things I've seen in a while.
Natasha Lyonne is gangbusters.
- When did Kate Mulgrew become fat? Last time I saw her was in Star Trek, so imagine my surprise upon seeing her now.
- I was also surprised at Kate Mulgrew's weight. She was out of the public eye for quite a while, and I didn't recognize her at first on this show.
I am loving Pennsyltucky. That bitch is fucking batshit crazy!
- r191 I get the feeling we're going to learn the murder Claudette committed was unsolved and she was only arrested for the child labor.
- I love the show, but hate the Tarynn Manning character. A fucking waste of time.
- I have a friend who spent some time in prison when he was younger (for a non-violent crime) who I was discussing this show with recently. He said that Pornstache is his favorite character because he's actually a fully accurate representation of a typical asshole prison guard. I completely believe him because some of the stuff Pornstache has done on the show matches up with stories about prison guards that my friend has told me before - specifically, the scene where the guards have to search cells and Pornstache goes out his way to fling the inmates' personal belongings everywhere just to be a pain in the ass, and the scene where he's eating McDonald's and waving it under an inmate's nose (my friend said it wasn't uncommon for guards to come in with bags of takeout food and eat them right in front of the inmates while obnoxiously exaggerating how much they were enjoying the food just to fuck with the inmates).
- Can someone start a thread for discussion of the show for people that have finished the season so we don't have to worry about spoilers? I can't do it, and I just finished the season and have more questions than answers!
- R200, I don't think Kate Mulgrew is fat. I think she's padded to look more Slavic.
It's part of her character that she's not elegant or skinny like the mobsters wives.
They've even tried to make her face look wider, but all I see is the map of Ireland.
- Just finished the season. It took me two and half weeks. I laughed out loud maybe three times. It's good but I'm not feeling the same rapt adoration everyone else is. I think it's just not really for me. There's not a single person I'm rooting for.
- As anyone who's seen her on the Star Trek con circuit could tell you, Kate Mulgrew has been chubby for quite some time. We're talking years. It fits her character, being the head of the kitchen and all.
- I'm loving it. I started watching last night. Got to episode 2 or 3(?)and stopped in the middle because I had to go to bed but I like how each episode looks like they're going to tell one woman's story of how she ended up being in there.
- I love the trans lady and the nun being friends. I'd watch for that alone. They make such a great team and I love the apparent ease of their friendship.
- Orange Is The New Black‘s recurring player Uzo Aduba, who plays fan favorite Crazy Eyes, has been made a series regular for the second season of the Netflix/Lionsgate comedic drama. This marks the first series regular role for the Broadway actress, repped by Joan Sittenfield Management. Coming off a strong first season, Orange has promoted two other recurring players, Taryn Manning and Danielle Brooks
- [quote]Can someone start a thread for discussion of the show for people that have finished the season so we don't have to worry about spoilers?
It works the other way around. Those who haven't finished watching the season (which has been available in its entirety for over a month) are the ones who need to exercise care when they tread these shallow halls (no typo here).
Case in point, I'm only up to Chapter 8 with House Of Cards and just went into a discussion thread about it, fully knowing I may stumble into a few spoilers here and there (it so happens that doesn't bother me), and stumble I did ... BIG ass spoilers too.
So what? If you don't want a show that has already been released spoiled for you, don't hang out in its discussion threads.
- Danielle Brooks/Taystee and Samira Wiley/Poussy are both revelations and my favorite characters/relationship on the show. Simply excellent.
- I really liked it and I know that certain characters (Natasha Lyonne's for example) will always entertain me. But, I can't see how this won't loss significant freshness.
- Has Natasha Lyonne been bumped up to a regular too?
- there is no show without natasha lyonne. she is amazing. tamryn manning i could do without.
- Natasha Lyonne went through a really bad patch there for a while; it's great to see she got through it and seems to be doing ok now.
- [quote] tamryn manning i could do without
You Disrespected me!
I must kill you!
- Pennsatucky is a great character. Most every show needs a villain or unpopular asshole.
Manning is great in this role.
- Pornstache and Healy are better villains than Pennsyltucky IMHO. They're smarter, too. And I can't take how over the top gross they make her crew's teeth.
- Healy makes me laugh out loud. Well, except there at the end.
- Healy's creeped me out since the pilot.
- R219 has never met a meth head.
Them teefs are fa real, y'all
- The funniest part of the season to me was when Pennsatucky and Mendez were arguing. God, she is so stupid.
- I really liked the development of Healy's character as a villain. The lesbian obsession went from funny to psychotic.
The only character I think falls a little flat is the woman that always stands in for the warden.
- The exeutive assistant to the warden might have more screen time next season. We have been shown that she is clearly embezzling lots of money from the prison, and I'm wondering if she'll get caught and wind up a prisoner herself.
I really hope the rumor of Laura Prepon leaving isn't true. Fuck, I love her character!
- R222, I have, and their teef were jacked, but not florescent pumpkin orange like the ones on OINTB.
- Jesus Christ...it's teeth. T E E T H.
- Sorry...I just lost it for a minute.
- [quote]Do you really think murderers or criminals guilty of manslaughter end up at minimum security prisons?
What r196 said.
It has not been determined beyond doubt whether either of them is doing time for their respective murder/manslaughters. It is not clear yet what Claudette is in for (and I agree with r201 that she wasn't caught on the premeditated murder, or else she wouldn't have been eligible for parole so soon), and Yoga's manslaughter was an accident - at most negligent homicide because she was drunk. Even then, drunk drivers and accidental shooters do little or no time and can be sent to minimum security prisons, as they are not considered dangerous.
- [quote] I was surprised to find out that the actress who plays Morello is actually Australian. Her blue-collar, outer borough NYC accent is flawless
Hooray, I still got it! I pegged her as Australian the minute she opened her mouth. (Used to work at a NYC hospital and was really good at placing accents. I could discern Estonian vs Latvian.)
Her NYC accent is horrendous. Why do they hire foreign actresses to do American regional accents? This woman is as bad as the Irish actress in the heinous Ray Donovan series who is torturously trying to do a Boston accent.
It's not fair to subject American audiences to these horrors when we have tons of good actresses who actually come from outer borough NYC and from Boston. We've got great actors and actresses doing repertory. My first time at Lincoln Center Repertory theater I saw a very cute (at that time) new actor named Christopher Walken and a wonderful mature actress named Nancy Marchand. So don't tell me we need UK and Australian actors because ours are so terrible.
- There are exceptions r230. I liked Jacki Weaver in SLP very much.
- [quote]So no, not a lot of artistic license so far.
There is some artistic license on the show, but it has nothing to do with the crimes committed by the inmates and more to do with accent and culture portrayals.
Are the Latinas Taco-relishing Puerto Ricans or Taco-relishing Mexicans with Puerto Rican accents?
- [quote]Are the Latinas Taco-relishing Puerto Ricans or Taco-relishing Mexicans with Puerto Rican accents?
I meant to answer that question - "Either way, it's an artistic license."
Well, the one with the neck tat should be Cuban.
- [quote] felt for Piper's roommate, the Jamaican woman whose name escapes me
Isn't she Haitian?
- [quote]Isn't she Haitian?
Yes, Claudette is Haitian.
- Morello sound more Massachusetts to me than NY.
- [quote] Yoga's manslaughter was an accident - at most negligent homicide because she was drunk. Even then, drunk drivers and accidental shooters do little or no time and can be sent to minimum security prisons, as they are not considered dangerous
Yoga's in federal prison because she was growing enough pot to trigger federal jurisdiction and she killed the kid while committing a felony (growing pot.)
- Re: Morello
[quote]Her NYC accent is horrendous. Why do they hire foreign actresses to do American regional accents?
ITA, I don't know what that accent is, but it's not found anywhere in NYC. She sounds like someone with a whiney speech impediment. It's like she's doing a mocking imitation of Rozie Perez.
- [quote] It's like she's doing a mocking imitation of Rozie Perez.
It's funny because it's true. I'm actually interested in Morello's backstory: she's so invested in the wedding, that there's got to be something there that's connected to her stay.
- Kinda stupid that those guards get away with everything they do. There must be cameras EVERYWHERE in that prison. Pornstash couldn't just dump skit all over the place in the kitchen, etc.
- Also, stupid that Pornstash would threaten and harass a woman with connections to the russian mob on the outside.
- "Prison guards harassing and threatening inmates? As if! So stupid!" ~ r241/r242, on his own little planet
- Can't stand the douche bf. They made him unlikeable and boring because he is not her true love. It's Alex.
- Just finished binge watching the season and can't wait for the next. It's amazing what they were able to accomplish on what must have been a budget only slightly higher than a home movie.
It's a pity that actors won't see a huge payday from the show, but hopefully it will lead to higher paying gigs for them.
- Claudette is Haitian and she herself was a victim of child slavery...later she became the "manager" of the girls who did housekeeping. I think that's part of her character's fatalism...as a kid she gave up hope long ago.
- [quote]It's amazing what they were able to accomplish on what must have been a budget only slightly higher than a home movie
??? Its no name actors, no costume changes, minimal sets. It fits the budget perfectly.
- R246, I don't think Claudette saw what she did as running a "child slavery" ring.
- [quote] Also, stupid that Pornstash would threaten and harass a woman with connections to the russian mob on the outside.
If they were her friends, she wouldn't be in prison.
- R248..I couldn't think of a better way to say that..."child labor"?
And I don't think she ran it...just was sold to the people who ran it and then worked there all her life.
- [quote]If they were her friends, she wouldn't be in prison
Too soon to say that with any certainty. We still don't know why she's in prison. Many respected mob power players land in prison because they commit crimes, period. And they're able to continue functioning from within. We don't have enough information yet to assume Red crossed gangsters or was a "victim" of the mob system. She could have just as easily been caught doing something criminal or ...evading taxes.
- The author is on Terry Gross today.
- And she's on Chris Hayes this week.
- Its starting to get soapy and I have three episodes left. EVERYONE seems to be pregnant and, as expected, Piper falls back in with the lez. The Red/Natasha Lyonne dynamic is the most interesting.
- [quote]EVERYONE seems to be pregnant
Well, if by "everyone" you mean Daya, well yes. (And Piper's friend/business partner has had her baby).
- LOL @ R255. Maybe R254 only watched up to the episode where everyone got the flu so she thinks EVERYONE is pregnant.
- Another one of the Latinas had a baby.
- The artistic license" being discussed upthread had specifically to do with why some of the characters were in federal prison rather than in state prison.
Clearly, there is lots of artistic license in other story elements.
I can't wait to see more inmate stories unfold.
- It's a show about women. It has a mainly female cast, which s kind of a rarity.
- R225, wait...what rumor about Laura Prepon leaving! Also, I think it would be great (however improbable) if Fig was tossed the slammer - would be interesting to see how Healey and the correction officers would treat her. I find her sort of sexy...so could go there with her and Alex.
- I don't know who started this ridiculous rumor about Laura Prepon leaving the show. Judging by an interview with her in this week's TV Guide nothing could be further from the truth. Here's a link to the article if you're interested-
- Yeah, she'd be crazy to leave and they'd be crazy to let her go, considering her chemistry with Schilling.
One reason for the paranoia is because she is apparently still in L.A. thought the 2nd season has started filming.
But now Schilling is in L.A. so they're probably filming some flashback scenes together.
- I saw an interview with Taryn Manning where they played her electronic music and now I hate Pennsatucky even more than I did before. Her music is brainless. Apparently her "band" consists of herself and her brother.
- Seems like Laura is leaving. Where's the poster who had the inside info?
- R264, thanks for the heads up.
And an OMG to the insider who called it a few days ago.
Very stupid career move for her.
- Prepon is a scientologist - don't they hate the gays? Maybe she was pressured to quit?
- She has gotten universal praise for her performance and isn't like her career is that hot. I wonder why she would decide to walk away. There must be a real story there.
- Yeah, there must be way more to this story.
I'll miss her love story with Schilling's character, but I'm of the minority opinion that the show can survive without her just fine. There are SO many other strong performances on the show and the RL girlfriend from the memoir is MIA anyway.
- WTF is Laura Prepon thinking? OITNB is red-hot and getting tons of buzz and media attention. An actor can't ask for anything more than that. What a stupid career decision.
- She left the clams, r266. She stopped dating one of their celebrity dwarves and moved on.
- maybe LP was written out because her acting ain't so good. or perhaps because of those horrid eyebrows. or both
- Netflix come across as the amateurs they obviously are by not locking in one of the main cast. Women in prison dramas are hard to take seriously but because this is based on a book and real people it kind of worked. So if Alex leaves that means no potential girlfriend for Piper in prison. Giving her another girlfriend on the show is going to make Oranges look campy / we are doing this to get Taylor Schilling naked/desperate. If it's over money Netflix should pay up and go OK lesson learned. I can't see Taylor Schilling staying around for long either if the show becomes Prisoner: Cell Block H.
- It's likely a salary increase play, but the show's producer's were stupid not to lock the series regulars into long term contacts.
Maybe they wanted Laura so badly for the part that they agreed to a one season contract.
The chances of breaking away from a previous hit sitcom character to another hit character are already slim and to roll the dice again...well, good luck to her.
- I read an interview with one of the cast members talking about how well everyone got along and it was mentioned that Prepon "stayed to herself" because "she's just a quiet person."
I'm guessing Chapman gets more time for beating Pennsatucky and eventually becomes the prison badass. It seems they've left the book behind, plot wise.
- But for how long can the Piper/Alex thing go on?
Piper: I love you!
Alex: you're using me! Get away, bitch!
Piper: But I love you!
Alex: I hate you!
Piper:I hate you, too!
They have to be careful not to evolve into a boring show about people arguing, as The Living Dead did.
- Sorry, the Walking Dead, which turned into the Living dead.
- Um, I just watched the last episode and Piper and Alex are completely broken up and Alex wants nothing to do with her. It would be easy to write Prepon off the show. The warden could transfer her or they could write a scenario where she ends up in max security. She's a shitty actress who will not be missed. She is NOT the star, there are too many other amazing actresses on that show for her to pull rank like that.
- She is a poor actress, but she looked *so* right for the part. She would have been great in silent movies, but can't convincing give a line to save her life.
If only Janeane Garofalo were about 10 years younger, she would be perfect.
I hadn't realized the Vause character was supposed to be a bit of a moron until she said, "I'm really brilliant at moving heroin."
- Alex and the husband are the two weak links on the show. I feel like next season we'll be seeing little of either of them.
- I would prefer she stay, but believe they can credibly work around her.I trusted Jenji would force all 3 to grow season 2 (piper, alex, bf) and not repeat the same love triangle formula. So whether Alex stayed or went they were likely to explore them dealing with other issues.
It was reported she will be in enough episodes to close things off and open for her to return. They could end on good terms before her exit, allowing for lesbians to pine away and wonder if she would come back each season after.
We do miss out on them exploring the non piper history/side of Alex like the other prisoners. And it's not natural to throw her in the arms of another because it was their history that made the relationship plausible.
- I thought Alex and Piper's relationship was one of the better storylines on the show. I didn't see Prepton as a weak actress by any means. I'll be sad to see her go. Also, I'll be curious to see if her character doesn't somehow take the fall for Piper's actions in some way and get sent to max or something for a time - so that she can plausibly be brought back when the time comes.
Jason Biggs Pipers husband, has a necessary role, but I've never liked Biggs's acting and I think he's kinda weak in this role too. I find his character far less interesting than that of the inmates.
Overall, I just hope this show doesn't fall apart and go downhill in the second season like so very many do.
- Hi -
I told you Prepon wanted more $$ and the producers are cheap MFs and I was called a liar or whatever. I'm glad she will come back for a few shows at least.
I bet she has Aspbergers. She doesn't look people in the eye and does keep to herself, but is nice when she does relate to people.
- Is she really a scientologist?
If so, I'm shocked that they actually even let her take this role.
- I agree...it's a particularly stupid career move when OINTB is the hottest thing on TV right now.
But, the show is built so that it can sustain the loss of a major character (and structured so it can happen at any time). And I'm assuming they've got Taylor Schilling locked up (ha!) in a long contract.
- Actually, I'm much more interested in Nichols, the Natasha Lyonne character, than Piper, who's become a very one-note character.
And I've missed major plot points because I couldn't bear to watch another scene with Jason Biggs.
- So far, I breezed through "House of Cards", a few episodes of "Arrested Development" and halfway through "Orange is the New Black". The main problem I have about OITNB is that the characters are completely unlikeable in every way imaginable. The acting is good, but it's really hard to invest in a show when you loathe the characters.
- R286, are you saying that you find the characters from OitNB less likeable than the characters in House of Cards and Arrested Development? Really??
- What I'm saying is, R287, is that the characters on Orange is the New Black are so one-dimensional and grating that it's hard to find interest in their stories.
- [quote]The main problem I have about OITNB is that the characters are completely unlikeable in every way imaginable.
Should you be wasting time typing this at work when you're kids need to be picked up from school?
- I don't think $cienos care what type of role their members take as long as they pay their bills to the "church."
And as long as the tv/movie doesn't slander Xenu.
- At 33 years old this is just career suicide. It doesn't make any sense. So far there's been no official comment from either netflix or Laura Prepon on the matter. I just hope it's not an medical illness.
- I'm tired of looking at Prepon's puffy eyes. Frankly she and Schilling kind of gross me out together. Schilling is just way to preppie to be a Lez.
- Though the flashbacks do slow or mask a lack of narrative momentum, the great thing about them is they give these terrific actresses a lot of dramatic opportunities and really show off their ability. All of these characters have the duality of life before and during their prison sentences and the actresses all do a great job of portraying them. Often times I found myself more intrigued by the performances than material. The entire ensemble is great but, for me, Taryn Manning is the absolute standout.
- Schilling's character is bi, R292.
And too preppy? Seen a picture of Lauren Blitzer before?
- Why would she leave? This show is the first time I have heard of her since That 70's Show, and it is an amazing success. If she leaves a popular TV show after the first season, I don't think she is going to get another chance. I'm sure many actresses would be glad to join the show.
- [quote]I thought Alex and Piper's relationship was one of the better storylines on the show
Only a lesbian would say this. It sucked the life out of the show.
- Taryn Manning is shockingly good. Has she just been hiding this talent for the last 10 years?
- R270, I'm pretty sure she's still a Scientologist.
The BFF of hers who moved to New York is a Scientologist.
- Too preppy? That's the whole point of Schilling's character. She's a wealthy WASP from Connecticut who has never associated with minorities or poor people and is trying her best to cope, in her own awkward and out-of-touch way. That's the premise of the fucking show!
- [quote]Schilling is just way to preppie to be a Lez.
Take that back!
- Lots of lez preppies out there.
- Schilling is, but Kerman is most definitely not too preppy to be one of us.
- Actress Laura Prepon is a devout Scientologist, a religious group that is known for having varying ideas about homosexuality. Largely, though, it is a homophobic church, based on the teachings of one man, L. Ron Hubbard, who has written that lesbianism and homosexuality are “sexual perversions” and those that identify as such are ”dangerous to society.”
So when Laura Prepon was cast as a lesbian character on Orange is the New Black, it seemed that perhaps she was able to reconcile this with herself and her church; that acting as a lesbian might not be as bad as being a lesbian. (Which is still a kind of terrible thought to have if you’re going to be representing a community on a large scale.) So when rumors arose today that she might not be back for the full second season of the Netflix hit series, fans began to wonder “Why!?” Orange was a smashing success and Laura’s character of Alex seems to be in prison for a long time. Could it be that her religion is making her think twice about continuing in the role that has her having a romantic and sexual relationship with a woman on screen?
In 2007, she told Women’s Health:
“Anyone who knows me is just like, ‘Wow, if Laura is a Scientologist, then there has to be something to this.’ When I hear something negative, I don’t get defensive. I know what’s true for me and what works for me.”
As of now, Netflix will not confirm that Laura is leaving, just saying a contract has not been signed, but clearly there is a hold-up as pre-production is already underway and other actors from Season 1 have been announced as moving up to series regulars from their recurring roles, like Samira Wiley and Uzo Aduba. There’s no reason why Jenji Kohan and her staff would want to write Alex off, and Laura doesn’t have any other projects lined up as of now, at least none that have been announced.
In interviews Laura has said she has gay and lesbian friends and she has “natural chemistry” with her on-screen love interest Taylor Schilling, but if you’ve paid attention to what former Scientologists have had to say about the church, it can have a very strong hold on you, no matter how rich and famous you are. (In fact, that might make them grab ahold even stronger.)
Producer Paul Haggis was the subject of a 26-page profile in The New Yorker in 2011, citing his reason for leaving scientology as their views on homosexuality. From that story:
On August 19, 2009, Tommy Davis, the chief spokesperson for the Church of Scientology International, received a letter from the film director and screenwriter Paul Haggis. “For ten months now I have been writing to ask you to make a public statement denouncing the actions of the Church of Scientology of San Diego,” Haggis wrote. Before the 2008 elections, a staff member at Scientology’s San Diego church had signed its name to an online petition supporting Proposition 8, which asserted that the State of California should sanction marriage only “between a man and a woman.” The proposition passed. As Haggis saw it, the San Diego church’s “public sponsorship of Proposition 8, which succeeded in taking away the civil rights of gay and lesbian citizens of California—rights that were granted them by the Supreme Court of our state—is a stain on the integrity of our organization and a stain on us personally. Our public association with that hate-filled legislation shames us.” Haggis wrote, “Silence is consent, Tommy. I refuse to consent.” He concluded, “I hereby resign my membership in the Church of Scientology.”
“I feel strongly about this for a number of reasons,” he wrote. “You and I both know there has been a hidden anti-gay sentiment in the church for a long time. I have been shocked on too many occasions to hear Scientologists make derogatory remarks about gay people, and then quote L.R.H. in their defense.” The initials stand for L. Ron Hubbard, the founder of Scientology, whose extensive writings and lectures form the church’s scripture. Haggis related a story about Katy, the youngest of three daughters from his first marriage, who lost the friendship of a fellow-Scientologist after revealing that she was gay. The friend began warning others, “Katy [Haggis' daughter] is ‘1.1.’ ” The number refers to a sliding Tone Scale of emotional states that Hubbard published in a 1951 book, “The Science of Survival.” A person classified “1.1” was, Hubbard said, “Covertly Hostile”—“the most dangerous and wicked level”—and he noted that people in this state engaged in such things as casual sex, sadism, and homosexual activity. Hubbard’s Tone Scale, Haggis wrote, equated “homosexuality with being a pervert.”
Haggis, who has two lesbian daughters, recently wrote an open letter to Leah Remini in The Hollywood Reporter, as the actress also just left the church. He called her brave and detailed how she was one of only two Scientologists who did not “disconnect” from him after he spoke out against the church. Leah’s sister told a radio station that part of Leah’s leaving was because she didn’t approve of Tom Cruise‘s alleged church-arranged marriage to Katie Holmes.
While it’s still unclear as to why Laura Prepon is leaving a major role on a hit show that she seemed excited to have landed, if it’s true that it is because of Scientology, that would be very unfortunate for the show and fans alike.
Trans writer/activist Kate Bornstein is a former Scientologist who once explained the church’s feelings about gender and sexuality:
They don’t believe that thetans, immortal souls, have a gender, but they’re really homophobic and transphobic. If you’re a pervert like me, that’s a symptom of being a suppressive person. You must be a suppressive person, too.
The question is, do they care if it’s just a role that one of the members plays on TV? Do they have the power to sway an actor from participating in a part they don’t agree with as a whole? At this point, it doesn’t sound like it’s the show that is trying to keep Alex Vause from coming back full time, so fans are left wondering why it’s happening, and what a tragedy if this is truly the reason.
- For what it's worth, Prepon's Scientologist BFF who moved to New York with her also has a gay male best friend.
Ant is a Scientologist, and he is gay.
Kirstie Alley loves the gays, she calls Jonathan Knight "her husband."
I would say that overall, it's an evolving viewpoint within the Church. My observations are that the younger generation of Scientologists are way more accepting.
I don't think the Church would make Prepon quit the show because they don't want her playing a lesbian. Jason Beghe played a gay character on Melrose Place, and he never mentioned the church giving him a hard time over that role. If anything, they'd be encouraging her to play Alex because, from a Scientological POV, Alex is a lesbian who "doesn't have her ethics in" and "she's a lesbian who sells heroin, so she's DEFINITELY a 1.1, and that's how gay people are, they do things like sell drugs!" To a Scientologist, the moral of OITNB would be, "If you get involved with gay people, you'll go to prison, just like Piper!"
- Thank God! Why the fuck did they cast her to begin with? She's horrible and that all niacin all the time Scientology diet has turned her into a puffy wax sculpture. Too bad they didn't cast someone who can act and is easier on the eyes to begin with. I think the producers decided to get rid of her because she insisted on having her Scientology handlers/makeup artists guarding her 24/7 on set and she's probably holding things up because she's pissed her role has been reduced.
- Uh, it's a paying job, which means $$$ for the church. That's all pretty much ANY church thinks.
- No, R296, lots of straight people I know share that opinion.
- I'm no Scientologist, but it seems that the professional success of one of their famous members is more important than a lot of their rules. It brings attention to the 'church.' (Here we ware, talking about it.)
- Last week they were holding auditions for Jason Biggs' love interest in Season 2. Young women, too. Median age probably 25.
- You know Piper = Walter White. She will end up ruling the prison. Is Pennsatucky dead? At any rate, Piper will get added time.
But here's the thing -- wouldn't she be transferred to a medium or maximum facility after bearing the shit out of another prisoner?
I know. I'm reading too much reality into a cable series.
- It could be a money play.The recurring characters who are becoming regulars will get more money, so maybe the budget is tightening on Prepon's salary..
- Taryn Manning is back for season 2, so Pennsatucky survived the attack.
I still can't believe Laura Prepon just walked away from such a good show that's a runaway hit; what a fucking idiot!
- CNN piece on OITNB.
- She's not walking away, R312, she tweeted today that she "can't wait" to get back to NYC to start filming...
- [quote] She will end up ruling the prison.
Are you kidding?
- That's great news about her going back to work on OITNB. But I wonder if it's for the whole season or just a few episodes before they wrap up her storyline?
- The return to filming is just to wrap up her storyline.
- So what happened, R317? Did she want to leave? Was it always the plan to write her out of the show?
Most importantly do you know if she'll ever return to the show in the future? Sorry for all the questions, but if you're that insider maybe you can tell us what went down.
- [quote]Last week they were holding auditions for Jason Biggs' love interest in Season 2. Young women, too. Median age probably 25.
How absurd. And how typical of Hollywood to pair some schlub with women who are completely out of his league. He and Piper were not believable as a couple. She's 1000x more attractive. He's a boring, ugly, unemployed asshole. No redeeming qualities what so ever. The next girlfriend better be fugly, fat and mentally challenged or his scenes will be unwatchable.
- Love this show but the character of Piper is deplorable. She gets dumped by her fiancee for having a lesbian lover after dumping the lover, then runs back to said lover for comfort. Glad
Prepon's character told her to fuck off.
Glad Piper beat the shit out of the Jesus freak though. What's the deal with Healy and his sudden dislike of Piper?
- R319, you must be a lesbian. Tons of straight women like these nebbishy guys - even Ross from "Friends" had lots of female fans. And there are millions of straight couples where the female is far more attractive.
- R320. Healy has a phobia about lesbians.
- [quote] She's 1000x more attractive. He's a boring, ugly, unemployed asshole.
Well, Piper's a boring, pretty, unemployed asshole. Their parents are paying for their lifestyle, and her friend is putting in all the capital for their soap-making business. And wasn't she high when they first met in the apartment? I think the point of their relationship is that they're both discards of wealthy, successful parents who are trying to do the bohemian thing but have no talent.
Healy's got some sort of Freudian emasculation thing that came to a head when Piper had her meltdown in SHU--"Girls like me.."
He's sort of like a non-comical version of Archie Bunker.
-  Piper wasn't running to Alex for "comfort", she had just found out Larry met Alex in person earlier and wanted to confront her.
- Prepon was great in this. Too bad. Unless she's getting a lot of cash for some role or show, I don't understand it.
Loved the first season, but I think it's going to get old fast.
- [quote]OINTB is the hottest thing on TV right now.
But, the "hotness" is (deserved) critical acclaim and big numbers FOR NETFLIX. But, it's not that blazingly hot when it comes to viewership.
- r323 that's a great explanation of Piper and her boyfriend.
- Too preppy? Have you ever seen lesbians from West Chester County, or Conn? Preppy to the max.
- This former B+ list mostly television actress from a hit network show dropped to C when the show left the air. She had finally started to regain some of her B-ness on a new hit show when her boyfriend convinced her to leave the hit show and guaranteed money for a chance to be a bigger star in his project. She has let guys make some horrible decisions for her in the past, but this is the worst.
Actress: Laura Prepon
Hit network show: "That 70’s Show"
New hit show: "Orange Is the New Black"
- [quote]Healy has a phobia about lesbians.
He thinks if they weren't fucking each other, they'd be fucking him. (Which may explain why he has a Russian mail-order wife).
- R328, thanks, babe!
R329, I would love to see lesbians from West Chester County.
- One of the most sexually liberal, politically active "lesbian" girls I knew in college married a guy who was almost Larry exactly after we left school. She came from NYC "Jewish society," and it was more important to her to maintain that lifestyle and earn approval than to make a go as a lesbian.
She tried to fuck me while she was dating him. No, thanks.
- Re that blind item- Prepon doesn't currently have a boyfriend. If it refers to Scott Michael Foster they've broken up. He just signed on for a show called Chasing Life on ABC family.
I'm not sure what years you were in college, but I am surprised by the number of girls that I knew in college who were not only lesbian, but crazed and rabid feminists who are now married to men.
- Late 90s - early 00s, r335.
- R336--me too.
- Well, a guy who's running for Mayor (of NYC), Bill DeBlasio, is married to a former radical separatist lesbian (Chirlane McCray), who went to an all women's college (and lived in a collective with a woman I know back in the day...)
- There is discussion on the anti-clam sites about Laura Prepon's current clam status:
- [quote] Loved the first season, but I think it's going to get old fast.
I agree. I've seen so many shows with great first seasons that devolved into soap opera fast. They think drama is sustained by constant bickering and people who completely change their personalities every three episodes.
I can see this show settling on the same 5 or 6 actresses and having their characters constantly changing allegiances with each other. Someone will always be gunning for someone else. I hope it doesn't turn into The Walking Dead, which is about changing characters personalities in order to eek some drama out of the deadly dull prison story and boring everyone to death with "OMG the Governor is after us... Again!"
I don't like how they turned Crazy Eyes into a not-really-crazy person. You can tell she might become like one of Stephen King's Magical Negroes -- someone who seems odd or crazy or a simpleton but who is really a Carrier of The Truth and Deep Meaning. Mental illness is a big problem in prisons today, due to the shutdown of the state psychiatric system. It would be good to address this rather than to turn Crazy Eyes into a loveable mascot who has occasional odd behavior.
I hope the writers can avoid the pitfalls of other television dramas that have gone south after a cracking good first season.
- [quote] However, their accents in Spanish are very clearly Puerto Rican (which I enjoyed tremendously) but their choice menu, especially they take over the kitchen, is blatantly Mexican.
Exactly. No rice and beans? Gettowdda heeyah.
I wonder what it's like with Latinas in prisons. Do the Dominicans and Puerto Ricans hang with the Mexicans? Same language, but different cultures.
- Morello's character grew up in Boston and then moved to Brooklyn. Hence the confusing accent.
- [quote] Natasha's L's character (forget the characters name) seriously had a freak out look on her face when Red found drugs in the produce basket.
That's because Nicky told Pornstache how Red got contraband into the kitchen. Nicky was pissed at Red and wanted to get her in trouble. She didn't realise that Pornstache was going to smuggle drugs in through Red's friends in the produce truck. The look on Nicky's face was because she suddenly realised why Pornstache wanted the information .
- Everyone has nice skin in this show--to me, this is the most glaring error.
In the real world, junkies and drunks have less than perfect complexions. Laura Prepon has perfect, luminous skin, and she is supposed to be a junkie/dealer.
I've seen documentaries on female prisoners and two traits stand out: they all have skin issues and are heavy. That's completely understandable all things considered.
But OITNB has porno-appeal. Real prisoners do not.
- [quote] Everyone has nice skin in this show--to me, this is the most glaring error
The nose jobs, too.
Yoga Jones and Miss Claudette look the most like real people.
Even Squirrel's skin is too nice.
- I'm waiting to find out what Boo's in for...
Speaking of pretty prisoners, there was an extra standing around in a few scenes who is gorgeous.
- Natasha Lyonne does not have pretty skin.
- Lea deLaria does not have pretty.....skin. And she's heavy.
- Pennsatucky is authentic enough for me without meth sores all over her skin. Nobody wants to see that on their HDTVs.
- All of the Hispanic women look very real and unglamorized to me.
- [quote] Natasha Lyonne does not have pretty skin.
She's got an expensive nose job.
- The women may look unglamorized to you because they aren't wearing tons of makeup, but their skin is actress skin, not junkie skin.
Natasha Lyonne has freckles. She doesn't have acne scars or masses of wrinkles. Her skin is actually pretty nice, considering.
In addition to having junkie and impoverished pasts, imprisoned women spend most of their days indoors. They don't get a lot of sun. The environment -- as the real Piper points out -- is moldy and there are rats and other vermin. The food is awful. It's not fresh or nutritious. Eating crap food, bathing in mildew and being shut up in an unhealthy environment doesn't make for smooth skin.
- [quote] Lea deLaria does not have pretty.....skin. And she's heavy.
Compare her face to other 55-year-olds you know. My parents, who are within two years of her, easily look ten years old. She has no visible wrinkles, and an even tone (even when she doesn't wear make up).
- [quote] The women may look unglamorized to you because they aren't wearing tons of makeup, but their skin is actress skin, not junkie skin.
A website uncovered the name and photo of the real Alex and she looked pretty rough.
- The last thing this show should be criticized for is the look of the prisoners. I'm already having nightmares.
How much more grotesque do they need to be?
- Big Boo is 55?! I thought she was maybe 40.
- [quote]My parents, who are within two years of her, easily look ten years old.
That's a hell of a gene pool, R353. Lucky you!
It's Florida, man. For the older generation that went out for years without daily sunblock, life is hard, wrinkly, and dappled.
- Lea Delaria doesn't look anywhere near 55. She's a great jazz singer, I have some of her songs on my ipod.
- Uhhh...Jason Biggs is hot. He's got a cute face and a nice body. Anyone seeing a nebbish is making stereotypes. Woody Allen is a nebbish. Jason Biggs is a hot Jewish guy.
- He's not even Jewish, R360 - he's Roman Catholic, of Italian descent. He always plays Jewish characters, though.
- It's a TV show, not a documentary. Stop complaining about the nice skin already. BTW, Laura P's character is not a junkie; she's a dealer. She wasn't sampling the product.
There's an episode where she speaks at the AA meeting to talk about her heroin addiction.
- ...and yet, it's still a fictional TV show, not a documentary.
- 363 I stand corrected. I totally forgot about that. Still, heroin addicts clean up very nicely if they get clean early enough and it's impossible to tell they were once addicted.
You're absolutely right.
And I didn't want to gainsay your main point, but if DL's OITNB will ever reach the seriousness of our Golden Girls obsession, details are absolutely vital. :)
- R360, you are blind, deaf, oh, and, dumb!
- Jason Biggs isn't Jewish? That just blew my mind.
- In my opinion, they could carve Piper's entire character and story line out of the show and focus on the rest of the characters and I'd enjoy it the same - maybe even more.
I feel the same--I sort of loathe Piper and her bf, mostly because I know so many people like them. They're not even caricatures.
- No I like the Piper/ Alex dynamic. It's the central relationship in the show.
- What R371 said. As long as they concentrate on that aspect, and Piper's associated realization of who she really is as she deals with prison.
- I am seriously bummed that Prepon isn't returning as a regular cast member.
I really enjoyed this show, but without Alex I don't think it will be the same.
- Alex/Prepon SUCKED. The relationship with Alex was the WORST part of the show. Prepon can't act at all, she's awful.
- Gee can you tell who the romantic lesbians are in this thread?
- lol R375. OK, I admit I am guilty of that. But it was nice to have a cute lesbian couple pairing on this show. I mean seriously, us lesbians don't get much on TV, and when we finally have a lesbian pairing that's not "made up by fangirls imaginations", what's wrong with wanting it to last more than a minute.
- Only dumb dykes like Alex.
- STFU R377
- I loved Laura Prepon as Alex. I've known women in real life who are EXACTLY like that character (minus the drug dealing) and Prepon fucking nailed it.
- Has anyone read the book? I've been reading it over the past few days and I am not liking it very much. I find it very boring, to be honest. And what's the big deal, at the end of the day? She was well equipped to handle prison (meaning she had a lot of outside support) and she was well equipped to handle life after prison. Big deal. If she wanted to deal with the issue of America's useless war on drugs and our corporatized prison system, maybe she should have focused on the other prisoners, not herself.
But then, only a privileged white lady could get a book published about her minimum security prison stay!
- I agree with R379.
And while Prepon isn't as fine an actress as Schilling or some of the others, her insane chemistry with TS makes up for it.
- So.. Netflix made a lesbian show. That means they should make a gay show too, right? Too be fair and everything.
HAHAHA. Yeah, right. That will never happen. Funny how networks (and Netflix) think they're being so liberal and gay friendly by making lesbian shows.. yet they hardly ever introduce gay characters. Maybe because gay shows are harder to sell, and gays are not as accepted in society? My straight brother watches OITNB, no doubt because of the lesbian scenes.. effing typical.
- R382, you think that networks make series to be "fair"? (And not for ratings?)
- HBO has a show in the works about gay men in San Francisco, R248. There are other gay men on tv if you took the time to look. Quit whining.
- LOGO has been pretty lukewarm on commissioning lesbian shows.
- The show just isn't worth it to Prepon. She has to be away from home. They don't put her up - she has to find her own living situation. She doesn't have a leading role. She was very clear from the beginning that she was doing one season and then she was out. Don't blame the boyfriend or anyone else.
- I like that she thinks that she's doing them a favor, R386. I guess she needs to go back to her real passion: swiftly cancelled sitcoms about Chelsea fucking Handler.
- R361, he's at least half. A pizza bagel following the mother's religion, as you do.
- It could have been done so much better. I wanted more scenes between Piper and Alex. It could have been a lovely passionate story, but unfortunately it became a drag in order to win more audiences. However, this fact repressed the love story between Alex and Piper and....you see what you finally got.
What a pity!
- No r388, Jason Biggs has no Jewish heritage. He's of Italian and English heritage.
- I'm glad Prepon is leaving. The Alex/Piper story is dead in the water. IRL,Piiper never saw the Alex character again after they broke up. And the book is about a preppy white girl dealing with prison life. Having another white girl from her background in prison with her dilutes the fish-out-of-water aspect.
- Lee Delaria is 55?!?!?! Even when she was on OLTL, I pegged her for no more than 40. Being fat certainly helps - it fills out the wrinkles.
It's nice to have OITNB because there are really very few lesbians on TV. I have no idea what R248 is talking about - gay men are EVERYWHERE, and have been since Will & Grace kicked the door open on their mainstream representation.
On that note, I really miss Happy Endings.
- Here's an interview with Lea in which she talks about being on the show & other stuff. I'd say its SFW, but there's a lot of swearing in it.
- Here are all of Alex's and Piper's scenes in chronological order. I thought the DL fans of the show would like this.
Laura Prepon is a damn FOOL to leave this show!
- Good news OITNB fans & r394. Prepon will be back for 4 episodes of Season 2, not just 1 episode. It also appears that she's currently negotiating a contract for Season 3. Prepon must have come to her senses! Why would you want to leave a hit show after all?
Thanks for that great clip, r394.
- The warden's executive assistant - was she on Parks and Rec as the political advisor who was helping Amy Poehler's opponent?
- So Alex did rat out Piper? The boyfriend's father found this out but the boyfriend lied to Piper. So does Piper find out or is this for season 2?
- Alex did rat out Piper, although she initially denied it when Piper questioned her. Whatsisname (Jason Biggs) found out the truth, told Piper, then Piper confronted Alex again and Alex admitted to it. Alex basically told Piper she told the Feds to get a reduced sentence and since she hadn't seen or heard from Piper in almost a decade, "wasn't even real to her anymore." It was a great scene.