Much improved. Still loving it.
MacKenzie is acting more like a real producer and not like a helpless schoolgirl
Glad they finally gave up on that romance and Jim will go for it, hopefully.
No one can cunt it up like Jane Fonda. The best.
Chris Matthews' son still sucks, even with only 3 lines of dialogue.
Allison Pill looks genuinely awful, like she has a terminal illness.
The guy playing the army captain brought in as an expert on drones is definitely someone I'd want inside me quite deeply.
Chris Messina appears to have a hairlip of some kind and will never become a big star.
If Chris does porn he will be a star. Smoking hot bod.
A great and underrated show, consistently entertaining, smart and well acted.
New episode tonight!
[quote]The guy playing the army captain brought in as an expert on drones is definitely someone I'd want inside me quite deeply.
He had a recurring role on Big Love as a closeted married Mormon who had an affair with Alby, the Prophet. His character ended up hanging himself, driving Alby over the edge of cruelty. At least for a while Alby was having some of that inside him quite deeply.
Ugh, this show is the worst. It's for elderly white men who are afraid of anything changing.
The Genoa thing is already confusing me. Are they mixing fictitious events with real ones now?
[quote]MacKenzie is acting more like a real producer and not like a helpless schoolgirl
I like her being a little messed up but even during the first season I still knew she was a smart and competent producer. She's my favorite character on the show. And Sloan Sabbath too.
It looks like all the minor newsroom characters returned for the show, I like Tess Westin, Gary Cooper, etc.
I hate watch this show. So much to pick apart! I cannot stand Sloan. Olivia Munn's acting is horrible and her rapid fire talking doesn't sound remotely natural. The only dialog that sounded halfway natural was with Jane Fonda's and Sam Waterston's character. But I'm already sick of Maggie.
It WAS a great show. the new season sucks. It's terrible. they really killed the show. Couldn't make it through the abysmal first episode it was boring, stilted and pedantic.
I wonder why they changed the opening - they showed all of the main characters last year but not this season. Maggie does look terrible.
Maggie's bf could have handled ending the relationship a lot better than showing up in the middle of the night while she was sleeping to pack his bags.
I think Allison Pill lives up to her last name and so hair/make-up and camera departments are sabotaging her to make her look like shit. And I'm not even talking about the horrible new hair with red dye poured on top.
Meryl Jr. #2 is on tonight.
Allison Pill is incredibly annoying on the show. What happened to Maggie in Uganda? Are they doing a Lara Logan attack-inspired story?
Seems like it, R13.
[quote]No one can cunt it up like Jane Fonda.
You're kidding, right?
I wondered that too, R11. I really like Thomas Newman's music, and I loved the original theme they used over last season's credits. This revamped "pulsing" version to make it sound more like a news program theme music?) sounds awful.
I disagree, R11 and R16. I like the revamped opening after watching it a second time. Last year's musical theme and graphics were too West Wing-ish and noble. The closing credits seem to close with a version of the theme which is slower and not as pulsing. It works for me.
Meryl Streep Jr. #2 was OK in her first episode. She's as cold as a witch's tit so I think that particular quality suits her character pretty well.
Has Sorkin come out yet?
Dev Patel looks HOT in this show. I had never really noticed him before.
The writers must hate Maggie too because she was dragged left and right on this last episode.
I like the old theme music, they didn't need to change it.
Would a website like TMI give a shit about Will being taken off the 9/11 coverage? Please.
Definitely not must-see television. The female leads are terminally cute and seem to be sharing the same insecure schoolgirlish personality. I think Sorkin misjudged his audience. Our need for daily excoriation of Republicans is handled nicely by Rachel Maddow and progressive radio. I don't need an HBO dramatic series for that. Also, the Jeff Daniels character is the antithesis of a journalist--he's a talking head spouting off opinions. And every writer on the show thinks that serious journalism is playing gotcha with the person you're interviewing. I don't expect the show to be an accurate depiction of journalism, which involves a lot of slogging and tedium but every week they play the hindsight game ("I'm telling you this Occupy Wall Street thing is a big, big story") and it's getting tired.
Completely disagree. I love this show.
The opening with the booing of the gay soldier was pure gold.
And don't you wish to god SOMEONE would talk like the guy on that campaign bus? That someone in the media would have a fucking spine like that?
I also like how it brings back up important stories that deserve additional attention.
And seriously, any show that rips the Romney campaign like this one is doing is worth watching.
[quote]Our need for daily excoriation of Republicans is handled nicely by Rachel Maddow and progressive radio.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't The Newsroom get about twice the ratings of Rachel Maddow?
It's not like there's 100% overlap in audiences. And the more people exposed to this stuff, the better.
R22, you are far too intelligent for a show like this. Leave it for the dullards like R23.
[quote]And don't you wish to god SOMEONE would talk like the guy on that campaign bus? That someone in the media would have a fucking spine like that?
Yes, that was a great scene.
Threw in the towel 15 minutes in and deleted my season pass...
Really, R25? Straight to the name-calling?
Perhaps you're confusing arrogant snobbery for intelligence?
I love the show, personally, in spite of some of the flaws and silly soapy-ness, and am really glad it's on. I look forward to it every week. And my IQ is north of 150 and I'm anything but a "dullard".
Perhaps it's possible that someone can have a different opinion than yours without being a 'dullard'. Just something to consider.
[quote]And my IQ is north of 150 and I'm anything but a "dullard".
Anyone who quotes their IQ is DEFINATELY a dullard.
(sigh)... thanks for the rock and a hard place, R29. I can't win with your rules, damned if I do, and damned if I don't. How convenient for you.
I loved his opening monologue, too.
Meryl Jr. #2 looks so much like Mama Meryl in her The Seduction of Joe Tynan/ Kramer Vs. Kramer/Manhattan years. EXACT same hair style/length/color. Spooky.
The opening monologue was awesome.
And here it is:
I think that female Romney staffer on the bus with the glasses was modeled after that disgusting GOP mouthpiece S.E. Cupp.
R23, you may have an IQ north of 150 but I'm a journalism professor and you do not break stories by hassling some pr moron on the bus about the candidate's positions. That accomplishes nothing other than destroying access and any illusion of objectivity. Personally, I wouldn't partake in that sort of junket, but if you opt to do that, it helps not to treat public information officers as the enemy. Important stories occur through legwork and research,not by embarrassing people at press conferences. It's that childish "us and them" mentality that I find so annoying about this show. I'm not the arrogant one; Aaron Sorkin is.
[quote]and you do not break stories by hassling some pr moron on the bus about the candidate's positions.
So? That's not the point. This isn't supposed to be a gritty reality show. It's a fucking fantasy.
That was a great scene that really showcased the frustration that most people have with "the system" as it is.
[quote]That accomplishes nothing other than destroying access and any illusion of objectivity.
Sure to the former (in real live), but the latter? Hardly. It shows far more objectivity to actually question questionable things than it does to just sit and parrot the lines they feed you. DUH.
You may not be the arrogant one, but I do kinda think you're an idiot who doesn't 'get' this show at all.
It's a great show, compared to most shows on TV. Yeah, it sucks compared to Game of Thrones or Breaking Bad, but then so does everything else.
Sorry. The women in the show, except for Jane Fonda and Hope Davis, are terminally cute and it's excruciating to watch.
Now that you mention it, there's not enough Jane Fonda in this show.
However, don't act like the men come off much better than the women. They really don't.
[quote]The women in the show ... are terminally cute and it's excruciating to watch
the men are all highly principled but lovably goofy. I do like the story behind the news and hindsight aspect of it, but I agree the characters and the interminable `will they ever get together` plot lines are tedious.
and there REALLY needs to be a gay character... the overbearing Hetero-ness of the show reeks.
[quote] The guy playing the army captain brought in as an expert on drones is definitely someone I'd want inside me quite deeply.
This post is useless without pictures.
"and there REALLY needs to be a gay character... the overbearing Hetero-ness of the show reeks."
This is true. TV news especially, and the media biz in general are crawling with gays.
But then Sorkin has never shown the slightest bit of interest in gay characters in anything he's done.
But he does defend them constantly (witness the youtube video above at R32)
[quote]and the interminable `will they ever get together` plot lines are tedious.
This. It's predictable and boring.
So, I admit to not paying 100% full attention, but I obviously missed something about tonight's show.
In the interview scenes, Maggie kept saying "He didn't say "It happened"..."
WHO didn't say it. And what would that have referred to?
It seemed vitally important, but I totally don't get it.
I couldn't figure that out either R44, I hope someone else chimes in.
Obviously (or maybe not so much), r44 and r45, that will be explained in a another episode... as will why this led to wrongful termination.
I enjoyed this episode more than the last few. A bit of actual action with Maggie rather than just a lot of angst and confused smiling. I also liked them showing how the female reporter in Jim`s group gets treated by her boss... even the OWS storyline wasn`t too bad and very little of the cloying interpersonal relationship crap that this show is usually so saturated with.
So here's my explanation after watching the show a second time.
There was something that happened on the "Genoa" story, regarding an interview. This episode takes place WAY after the previous one.
There is some controversy over whether the General admitted that the chemical attacks "happened".
Maggie, for whatever reason, is going to be called to testify. And they believe that her testimony will be manipulated due to the fact that her trip to Africa was traumatic... she's "emotionally compromised" and thus an unreliable witness... potentially.
This was a run-through with the station's lawyers to try and mitigate that possibility.
In the process, we learn the details of what happened in Africa. Note that her story changes in the telling/showing, especially towards the end... indicating she may indeed be emotionally compromised. She starts out by blocking the horror of what happened (she was reading happily to the child on the bus) but then admits what really happened (the child was dead of a bullet that would have killed HER if the child had not been on her back).
So we'll see more about what is going on in the next episode, as the "Genoa" story continues.
Marcia Gay Harden is good on the show--I loved her scene with Maggie that ended the episode.
The scene in Africa when they were under attack was kind of creepy with those gunshots and voices coming out of nowhere in the night.
God, that Gummer girl is HORRIBLE.
[quote] that Gummer girl is HORRIBLE.
I don't think she's horrible as an actress, but as I watch her I can't help but think there is NO FUCKING WAY she'd even make it into a casting office with that face if she wasn't Meryl's daughter. VERY unphotogenic and average looking.
I really liked the episode as a whole, to be honest. Nice to get out of the newsroom a bit.
And that "occupy" woman is just an insufferably smug idiot.
And I supported the idea of the movement. But they're right... they were a joke because they had no leaders, no coherent focus, etc. Sigh.
An opportunity wasted and lost.
I think the show is much improved from last season. The female characters are coming off as much less needy and more capable, especially Mackenzie.
Sloane Sabith is a fun character.
Chris Matthews' kid continues to be horrible in the production meeting scenes. I wish the actress who plays Tess would be used more.
Every time the Maggie character speaks I want to tell her to shut the fuck up. Why the hell are we supposed to be so interested in what she's thinking and feeling and saying? Because she's a young white female? Please.
I like Tess, Kendra and Gary Cooper more than Maggie.
Who are Tess and Kendra, and who is the troll so consumed with Chris Matthews' son who appears in about 1 second of footage per episode?
R57, Kendra is the African-American ACN staff member.
Chris Matthews' kid gets far more than 1 second of footage per episode. His character Martin something probably had gotten even more camera time than Gary Cooper until the latest episode.
I love the actress who plays Kendra, Adina Porter.
Fun fact: She had a role in the gay movie "The Fluffer" back in 2001
I just looked up Chris Matthews' kid... and honestly I don't recognize him. He's credited in every episode, but he obviously leaves zero impression on me, as a character or actor.
He's the very preppy looking guy who looks way too much like John Gallagher Jr. They're starting a stupid running gag with him where he's eating something during show rundown meetings. Last week it was pizza, this past Sunday it was something else I don't remember.
Great episode tonight. The writing was crisp, although they went a little too fast for some stuff.
Is Olivia Munn just an adequate actress or is she trying to play someone who is very monotone? She also always has what I call "angry eyes"..her brows are always furrowed.
Jane Fonda and Hope Davis are a class above everyone else.
This show is beyond bad. I don't even know how HBO can watch the episodes as they come in and not want to scream. I guess I just don't want what Sorkin is serving up or something. I really don't know how you could defend it, either, though. The women are shrill, the men are buffoons and Jeff Daniels is out of his element. Fonda and Davis aren't on it enough to make any mark and even Sam Waterson seems to not care. I wasn't sure that S2 could be worse than S1, but it's coming close. That first African schoolhouse scene was the nadir (so far).
Yeah, I'm just going to have to disagree with you on that, R64.
Defend it, then, R65! I made my case. You're lazier than Sorkin's writing for this show.
Why do you feel like I owe you something, R66?
Taste is subjective.
I like the show. A lot. It's flaws, while sometimes glaring, don't bother me much, and aren't as extreme as you seem to think.
The one thing I do agree with you on is that Fonda and Davis aren't on it enough. But I love Sam Waterson in it. Jeff Daniels is fine most of the time.
And I loved the entire episode set in Africa. Thought it was great.
[italic]The Newsroom[/italic] is a hot mess.
I tune in because I'm interested in the subject matter. I like the cast; though I don't think that the females characters are not fleshed out well enough. (Of those female characters, Emily Mortimer's has most improved. It's very noticable as compared to Season #01. But Alison Pill's character is still wretched and immature.)
What I dislike most are the distracting love lives of supporting characters; they're presented in on-going, soap-opera form and are needless filler. Get them or don't get them together -- just make a goddamn decision, stick with it, and no longer show us their angst.
What I like best about [italic]The Newsroom[/italic] is Jeff Daniels. He's not out of his element. Whoever wrote that here is out of his/her element. Daniels elevates erratic material, making it seem more substantive, and he earned his 2013 Emmy nomination.
I like Sloan and Don's relationship and Mackenzie's confrontation/conversation with that guy who was trying to come out on her show was good.
I saw the editing thing coming a mile away. What an unethical little fuck.
I don't know why they trusted that Dantana dude. If Maggie had've stayed in the room when the military dude was being interviewed, it never would've happened.
I know it's fashionable to rag on this show, but I thought tonight's episode was exceptional.
And of course, Jane Fonda helped.
But I thought it was gripping watching the Genoa story fall apart.
Fonda crushed it.
Jane Fonda is a STAR.
[quote]But I thought it was gripping watching the Genoa story fall apart.
I agree. How could such smart people gotten it so terribly wrong?
Marsha Gay Harden has been really good as the lawyer.
They got it wrong because much of the evidence fit and three people lied: military source with TBI, government source on a vendetta and a desperate, egotistical reporter. Add in a couple coincidences: overlapping secret sources and someone who couldn't pay his wifi bill.
Jane Fonda kicked ass.
"You will resign when I fire you out of petty malice, and not before!"
That's an instant Datalounge classic if ever I heard one.
Probably the best episode of the show this season. Possible of the entire series.
I've really been enjoying the show this season. I think it helps that they're focusing more on the actual newsroom and less on the personal lives of the characters than they did last year. And the Genoa story has been interesting. I'm glad they addressed the issue as an "institutional failure" but I still think some of the circumstances (that one guy's vendetta against Waterston) are making it too easy to see the characters as blameless.
It was a great episode. The only low point was Maggie, and she's the low point in every episode. That actress is awful.
I cant decide if the actress Alison Pill is dreadful or if Maggie is dreadful or if both are annoying but every time moonface appears, I have to change the channel. really, she bugs that much.
I did enjoy the Will/Mac/Nina storyline as far as personal stories go. I want Mac to give Will a taste of his own vindictive medicine once she finds out he boffing rat faced Nina. I'm sure he wouldn't want Mac to find out. or maybe he would Nina might be vindictive.
Jane Fonda is mesmerizing especially sparring with anyone. She's has little screen time but maybe that's the formula.
Okay, the Maggie hate is kind of over-done and played out. She's not THAT bad.
Maggie bothers me when she has an attitude and is a smartass, which has happened a lot lately. I'd rather watch Sloan and Mac.
Here's the difference: Sometimes Mac is indignant. Sometimes Sloane is indignant. Sometimes Leona is indignant. Maggie is always INDIGNANT!!
No nuance whatsoever.
High points of the last episode:
Jane Fonda and the dress
Sam Waterston getting slapped
It was a decent episode but the story overall this season is very flawed. Can we really expect to believe that NO ONE - this professional news team - never noticed that the basketball game on the TV jumped during the replay of the what they thought was unedited footage? It was GLARINGLY obvious. Can Mac be that dumb to run a newsroom and not understand a game clock in American sports? These people really are inept.
Yes, R85, all foreigners are inept and stupid because they don't know (or care) all about American sports, most of which are played exclusively in America - while cricket, soccer, Rugby and other what we call "popular" games have international competitions.
Someone in the show commented that Jerry wouldn't have got away with it if there hadn't been a break in play at the crucial moment. You couldn't notice a jump in the coverage just from seeing that corner of the screen anyway, because the cameras used in the sportscast kept changing so there were lots of jump-cuts. That's why the clock, the operation of which she hadn't understood, was the only tell.
I didn't notice you coming on here three weeks ago telling us how GLARINGLY obvious it was in the episode where the editing happened.
If you think Alison Pill is a bad actress I suggest watching her season of In Treatment. She was really phenomenal. I think she's just stuck with a completely insufferable character on this show.
Alison Pill was extraodinary on In Treatment, a highlight in a really powerful cast of actors. I think how she's perceived has much less to do with her acting abilities and more to do with how she's written and directed. I find all the women on this show not to be coming off particularly well. That has to do with Sorkin.
I think this season has been quite inept and frustrating. The Genoa storyline has been clumsy and obvious. Really, the whole thing was motivated by some guy bent on revenge? Come on. And the group is forgiven by their employer? No. Everyone working there would have been fired and their careers would have effectively been over. As in, never working in the business again. Will's reputation would have been destroyed. He would have become a laughingstock. As it is, I'm queasy at the prospect of how they will handle their recovery. Leona coming in like the Bitch Fairy and waving her wand over all does not solve it.
While the first season was too focused on the relationships, this season has gone too far in the opposite direction. Hopefully the third will find a blend, but this particular tone is not working.
I loved this week's show. Each episode has been better than the last this season.
Not only does Fonda and Harden rock but Jeff Daniels deserve an Emmy nomination.
[quote] And the group is forgiven by their employer? No. Everyone working there would have been fired and their careers would have effectively been over.
Yeah, because that happened in real life when CNN and FOX News called the Affordable Care Act STRUCK DOWN by the Supreme Court, when they actually upheld it.
And so many people went down over the whole "WMDs in Iraq" debacle.
What fucking dream world are you living in? CNN and FOX News report made-up shit that isn't true ALL THE TIME, making incredibly STUPID mistakes all the time, and nobody "gets fired" for it.
And discussing the show with my circle of friends and acquaintances has you in the minority... everyone is loving the show. It's working fine.
I don't have a problem with heads not rolling. It's contrived, but I'm okay with it. The idea that anyone believes Jerry has a viable claim for wrongful termination, I do have an issue with. Yes there was an institutional failure, but the institutional failure was that they didn't catch him in his lies. He was the source of the problem, not a scapegoat. It's idiotic to pretend he'd have a shot in hell of winning in court.
Well sure, R91, but doesn't that describe a LOT of lawsuits?
I mean, how many court cases can you point to that are similarly ridiculous? I mean, for fuck's sake, Zimmerman is suing the state of Florida to have tax-payers pay his court costs. (never mind that he got off scott free to begin with)
I found Fonda's scene at the end of the episode to be both overwritten and overacted. It is always a pleasure to see her but I thought it was a bit much.
Renewed for a 3rd season.
I guess with James Gandolfini dead, they'll never be able to have the entire cast of "God of Carnage" appear in one episode together.
Re: R94 ... YAY!!!!!
As an employment defense lawyer, I completely agree with R91. But, then again, Sorkin is shockingly lazy when it comes to any fidelity to law/legal procedure. There are ways to write compelling drama without completely eviscerating the law, but he just doesn't care. I love his work (especially TWW), and I really like this show, but that doesn't stop me from yelling at the tv every now and again when he idiotically suggests potential liability in a "multimillion dollar" wrongful termination suit filed by a guy who knowingly doctored "raw" footage.
New episode tonight, after not having any episode last week!
Short show tonight... part one of the two part finale (last week's show is the season's last).
But a good show. Really good, I thought. I can't wait to see the finale next week.
It was a good episode. Waterson hit his stride tonight, Harden is great and even the guy playing Reese was good.
It all kinda reminded me of what happened to Dan Rather/CBS
[italic]God of Carnage[/italic]!?
How about … 2009 Tony nominees for lead acting: Jeff Daniels, Thomas Sadosky, and [guests] Hope Davis, Jane Fonda, and Marcia Gay Harden. (Harden won the Tony in 2009.)
Marcia Gay Harden has been beyond awesome. Jane Fonda doesn't deserve ALL the love here.
I did think it was really strange how short last night's episode was... just 48 minutes. I hope the finale next week is the full hour, or I'm going to feel cheated. For some reason.
I am usually excellent at getting accents quickly, but Mac's is beyond me. But, I also find her to be the least interesting character on the show, so maybe I am not trying.
Yes, R102, that's was I said, "God of Carnage." Maybe you weren't aware of this but Jeff Daniels, Hope Davis and Marcia Gay Harden all starred in it together.
What do you mean, R104? Mac's accent is Oxford standard. Or should I say Cambridge? :)
Perhaps Mac is just speaking too quickly in emotional moments. I've spent years in Australia amd some time in the U.K., so have to admit I can barely tolerate both Will and Mac, so may just be tuning them out.
I wonder if they are going to have the Romney adviser on the panel go Rove and question the poll results and claim Ohio is not called etc?
I like the show overall, but the dialog can be exhausting, with witty quips in rapid fire.
[quote]but the dialog can be exhausting, with witty quips in rapid fire.
That's Sorkin in a nutshell. It's just too, too precious, isn't it? It can be entertaining in small doses, but gets cloying as a steady diet.
Some "steady diet," R109, ten hours a season.
I guess CSI's more your speed.
I've never seen it, R110. Why don't you tell us about it? I have, however, been following Sorkin since his Sports Night days so I base my opinion on more than this single show. Perhaps you're too easily impressed.
Why wouldn't I be impressed with Aaron Sorkin's writing, R111? He's the best writer on TV with the possible exception of Ann Biderman.
I've been watching his work since A FEW GOOD MEN, the play. I guess I'm lucky. He doesn't "cloy" for me.
As for CSI, good for you not to have watched it. It is the queen of How to Write Exposition in the Worst, Most Obvious Way. I used to watch CSI:HORATIO as an exercise in camp, but I could seldom make it through an episode, what with their telling each other things which, if they needed to be told them, they wouldn't have their jobs. Just obnoxious.
Aaron Sorkin is such an out-of-touch hack.
Sorkin is a good writer, but he definitely has certain wells he goes back to too many times.
The worst is thinking that repetition makes something funny and clever.
He thinks repetition makes something funny and clever?
Yes, he thinks repetition makes something funny and clever.
Aaron Sorkin - poor man's Paddy Chayefsky.
Since I'll never have a Paddy Chayefsky, R115, Sorkin will do.
Sorkin thinks repetition makes things funnier.
[quote]Sorkin is a good writer, but he definitely has certain wells he goes back to too many times.
R109/R111 is typical of Sorkin's rusted-on internet fans. They all complain constantly about every aspect of him and can't wait for the next installment so they can complain about that.
I really like his work and I can't find a Sorkin chat board I can stand to be on, because as soon as you defend him they all attack. Most peculiar.
No wonder he dislikes "the pajama people".
If I hear that one more time on any Sorkin written show, I think I'll scream.
Mac's accent sounds like someone who doesn't have an accent trying to fake one.
I hated watch this show, I admit it.
FFS, R120, everyone in the world has an accent.
There is an extremely invested Sorkin troll vomiting his nonsense all over this thread. That being said, the show has been shit this season with the absurd Genoa plot line.
I watch the show mostly for Thomas Sadoski and John Gallagher, Jr.
I have to partly agree with r123. John Gallagher, Jr. has this nerd hotness to him. Thomas Sadoski doesn't do much for me though.
What's the 411 on John?
And the finale starts now... (eastern & central, anyway)
Is Thomas Matthews any good on "The Newsroom?"
His dad is a Grade A asshole who's connected, and I'm inclined to think he owes his career to good old-fashined nepotism.
I just googled him. I don't recognize him from the show, so he didn't make much of an impression.
I wonder how many of Fonda's lines are things she heard Ted Turner say? The comments about weed for starters.
"You're all idiots... not, you, you're sweet."
I don't care what anyone things, I love this show. And it was a decent finale.
I loved the finale too. Which I find odd. I usually don't like the feel good gooey kind of thing but they did it well.
I thought it was fun, but also hated that he de-fanged all the good monsters.
There is some good acting on this show, but I hate how he had fabulous cunts like Jane Fonda and her son do a 360 all of a sudden.
I guess they want a clean slate for next season
Agreed, R131. It was actually kind of corny and clichéd, but it was done well enough that I didn't really care.
Tonight was, I think, the first time I didn't hate Don.
Poor Sloan, always getting cut off.
I'm thinking not so much a clean slate r132 as they knew it was possible they won't be coming back.
I'm shocked they didn't touch the whole "Karl Rove doesn't believe Ohio went for Obama" story.
I fucking want to marry Jim Harper. I love everything about him. Except the fact that he isn't gay.
I love Will's little rant towards the end about Republicans. Not as blistering as the American Taliban rant, but still well done, and lots of people really need to hear it. Unfortunately none of those people are watching this show.
No suspense about what may happen next season. Disappointing.
It seems obvious to me that they were hedging bets on being renewed.
They were of course.
I'm find with a 'satisfying' season ender. Not everything has to be a cliff-hanger.
Sloan and Don, eh? Hrm.
So, where do you think they'll pick things up next season? Obama's inauguration? Or after?
That finale was sooo cheesy! Isn't against protocol for a husband/wife to be a news anchor/producer broadcast news team?
It was cheesy. But I sort of loved it. I watched the first season sort of out of summer boredom, didn't really like it's preachiness (even if I agree), but I thought this season was fantastic.
I like Sloan and Don together.
I feel for Alison Pill - a good actress with an underdeveloped character.
MVP of the season: Emily Mortimer.
I just don't care about Mac and Will getting together. I don't see ANY chemistry, and in fact find him very unlikeable.
More Marcia Gay Harden next season! She's fabulous.
I agree r148! Marcia's character is fierce. David Harbour as Elliott Hirsch has really grown on me this season. He cracks me up; never wastes a scene he's in.
Olivia Munn is sexy as hell but she just isn't a very good actress.
Having just completed reading both season 1 and 2 threads, I have to say that some people on here don't understand or know the definition of the word ENTERTAINMENT.
Unless you are watching a documentary, the words, "This wouldn't happen in real life!" have no place in these threads.
I have found both seasons to be entertaining; a nice escape from my average, working life. Some of you must have skipped childhood. You know, that time in your life when you can belief just about anything because you didn't know everything?
Can I see Mac and Will as a couple? No. Would Maggie screwing up in season 1 result in termination anywhere else? Yes. Do people discuss their private lives in the office? Yes. In the middle of the room ike they do? No
Its's called entertainment. Sit back, relax and watch the show for what it is.
I loved how Will told Mack that she "owned" him and that he'd never hurt her again or stop loving her. It was the first time they actually kissed on the show. I also liked when Maggie told Jim about the first time she noticed him because I always loved that scene she described when Jim was the only one who took that yellow news alert seriously in Season 1. Don used to be an ass, but he started changing in Season 1 and I think it happened during that Gabby Giffords gets shot epidsode - it was funny when he said "what I have can't be taught" after Sloan kissed him.
They should do more with the Hope Davis character and TMI. Such potential for sleaze and drama.
Just finished watching it. Had been saving the UK broadcast to binge watch at Christmas.
I liked the first season. Watching the second season, I couldn't really remember why I liked it.
Someone up thread mentions Alison Pill and sympathises with her poorly written role. What about her fucking horrible hair?! I doubt Alison Pill watched much of Season 2 of The Newsroom. Plus, she and the actor who plays Jim played brother and sister in Pieces of April. I'm sure this is what they're always thinking about in their less than simmering romantic scenes.
And the romantic entanglements on this show! It's like watching the most boring game of Twister ever. As Olympia Dukakis in Moonstruck would say, "What Aaron Sorkin doesn't know about women is A LOT!" And when they start including the cater waitress roommate in all the heart on the sleeve shenanigans I couldn't hit the FFwd button fast enough!
Episode 7 was solid. It only took 6 episodes to get there and then it delivered nothing on its promise and withered away to nothing in its two-part finale - as if anyone would want to watch known election night coverage again. It's hard to believe there's experienced talent involved in this total farrago of a series. Well before the end of Season 2 I decided there would not be a Season 3 of The Newsroom, at least not in my future.
Though I should add, Marcia Gay Harden rocked.
At least they had the Matthews kid grow facial hair. He looks less preppy obnoxious and less like John Gallagher Jr.
Oops, it only lasted one episode. He was back to his usual preppy obnoxious look for the final two episodes. And his one line "You got it, boss" was obviously thrown to him to put him on a day player contract and to keep his daddy happy.
Even in the timeline before Maggie goes to Africa, Alison Pill looks more sickly, like they starved her for a week.
God, this show is horrible. None of these people act or speak like anyone in any known reality. It's a Sorkin Jack-off fantasy of how creative and smart he is. Blech.
Jane Fonda. She made the show.
Why are you posting on the season 2 thread, instead of the season 3 thread.
R181 because we are discussing season 2.
Doesn't look like anyone's discussing anything, R160 R162.
Political shows tend to be smug and boring, as dry as melba toast left baking in the desert sun. Newsroom's no exception from what I've seen. And Daniels, who was never that hot, looks awful these days. His female hag equivalent wouldn't be invited to star in any series.