[quote]He sort of was our Prince
Be careful what you wish for. Teaching Americans to view their political families as royalty helped the Neo-Cons to foist their Clown Prince, George W. Bush, upon us.
There was a gorgeous oriental guy that was in a LOT of the paparazzi pics of JFK Jr as well as special event pics (in the background, but still seen in many pics) there were semi regular pics of the two of them rollerblading in Central Park also. It was like Were's Waldo with that guy every time there was a new batch of JFK Jr. pics.
A lot people were sure he was his BF or at least a good friend with FB rights. Wish I could remember more, it was talked about on here quite often, so maybe one of the other posters who have been here forever like me will remember more.
There were a series semi nudes of John posted very briefly on Corbis recently but they were taken down. They were taken by a woman, but were extremely homoerotic.
I also have heard many stories of John with men in Boston during Law School. He apparently loved oral sex - receiving only - and when asked to give claimed he was terrible at it.
It is also rumored that one of his trysts (SE) later went on to be a long-term bf of Anderson Cooper.
I recall seeing those pics R11. They were taken by a fellow Brown student I believe. I didn't see them on Corbis but someplace else many years ago. Now you've got me stoked to see them again.
Who knows who the Asian guy is?
[quote]Who knows who the Asian guy is?
either Sum Ting Wong or Ho Lee Fuk
When John John was a boy, Jackie reportedly had a Secret Service agent rough him up so that John John wouldn't turn out to be a "sissy."
A mother always knows.
"Dwayne, I'm worried John John is turning into a sissy! BEAT HIM!"
Yeah, that's a likely story.
r8, it's also enabled the Kardashians to make a mint off the public.
r15, Jackie was strangely nervous about John-John's masculinity - or lack of it. She feared he would "turn" gay - that paranoia came out most overtly when JJ made overtures to choosing an acting career. She veered him away from that as determinedly as she could. It was very strange that a mother would be so hellbent on preserving her son's heterosexuality- there must have been some real underlying fear in her narrow little mind that he was not "all man".
Yes, a mother knows.
r11, there were always rumours that John Jr was not at all a good lover; that he was, in fact, rather clumsy and uninspiring.
According to Chris Ciccone, Madonna apparently told her brother that her short-lived affair with JFK Jr was less than thrilling, saying it was "like having sex with a 10 year old boy".
Ciccone dishes to Howard Stern about Madonna's feelings about JFK Jr and his own strange encounter with him, insinuating very thinly that he felt John-John's problems were that he was trying too hard with the wrong sex:
He had a girlfriend in college who looked exacty like his sister.
Got to be more gossip.
R13: Sum Yun Guy
Knew him from Andover onwards.
Never even a rumor.
There was a rumor when he was still alive that John John was blowing a guy on the side of the LIE one night on his way out to the Hamptons. The cops, of course, once informed of who he was, let him off.
So you're saying that Jackie killed her son by making him act out masculine activities inimical to his nature, and so he flew into the water, killing not only himself but the woman who represented his false life (AND her sister)?
NOW it all makes sense, finally.
Oh, and, no, he never "took a cock" but he did enjoy receiving blow jobs.
Not gay and did not go to law school in Boston; attended law school in NYC. Nothing [childish epithet posted by a bigoted tool] about him and his hairy chest.
Read Rob Lowe's "Stories . . " for some strange comments about JFK Jr. throughout the book. I almost sensed a fantasy bromance, speculating and trying to read between the lines.
Also read once that there was a friendship with Swedish model Marcus, or perhaps between his wife and Marcus, at some point.
O please, the guy was pussy magnet. Why would he need to have sex with men when pretty much any woman in North America would spread for him?
[quote] He sort of was our Prince
I'm your new Prince NOW, bitches.
And I DO suck cock. Just ask Taylor Lautner.
Patrick Shriver Schwarzenegger
Of course he was a pussy magnet and could get it whenever he wanted. OTOH, if he wanted a fantastic blowjob he knew how to get that, too, and it involved nobody with a pussy. .
Michael Bergin was fucking John John's wife.
R30: Maybe ... Bergin gave a very strange interview with some men's magazine years ago. Bergin talked about how they were all friends, how he used to date whatsherface, etc. But then, he had a change of heart about what he said and confided what the real relationship with the two of them was like, but on the condition that the author wouldn't print it. It was some Men's Health or Men's Journal magazine from the 90s. Anyway, the author of the article actually said he had this conversation with Bergin and that Bergin said he had lied about various portions of the interview, but was sworn to secrecy. Which seemed to indicate that Bergin WAS close to both of them, but was a friend to her and fuck-buddy to good old John-John.
R31, Thanks for clarifying. I remember reading something alluding to a close "friendship" between the 3 of them. Do you think that they had a 3-way? I used to think Marcus was hot.
In the early 1990s, Bergin met Carolyn Bessette-Kennedy, a Calvin Klein publicist, whom he dated seriously, despite her burgeoning relationship with John F. Kennedy, Jr., whom she later married in September 1996. Kennedy and Bessette-Kennedy died in a fatal plane crash in July 1999. In early 2004, Bergin published a book about his relationship with Bessette, The Other Man, claiming that they continued a sexual affair during the time Bessette was dating Kennedy and during their marriage.
On September 24, 2004, Bergin married makeup artist Joy Tilk with whom he has two children.
Bergin was arrested for drunk driving in 2004, on the fifth anniversary of Bessette-Kennedy's death
R31 I told you! Thanks R33.
R33, That's what I remembered was so strange about Bergin's interview. I could never understand how his affair with John John's wife could continue after her marriage. It has been my impression that most models are at least somewhat bi, even more so than most actors and singers, because of the "powers that be" in the hiring. Again, do you think that it was a 3-way?
But am I wrong, R34? R33's information doesn't negate anything that I said/read.
He probably fed his meatwhistle to some cocksucker.
R18 In the Heymann bio of Jackie, she was quoted as saying to a friend, only half jokingly, that John was "going to grow up to be a hairdresser."
It was later reported that John and Carolyn were having ugly fights in front of friends, precipitated by her cocaine use and invariably ending with her calling him a fag.
Interesting. Sounds like Carolyn was not getting the cock she wanted in the marriage. Wonder why.
I recall reading that r38 in some article while they were both still alive. It would seem their marriage was a tempestuous one. How very sad that it ended so tragically.
Apparently, John was originally intended to be a target of Outpost's Absolutely Queer campaign.
[quote]Within weeks, the gay pranksters warn, Absolutely Queer John-John Kennedy posters will be going up all over Manhattan. "John Kennedy Jr.'s homosexuality is one of New York City's best kept secrets," declared Dr. James Serafini, an openly gay psychiatrist who is a co-conspirator in the Outpost scheme. "And now we're going to share it with the rest of the world. Our poster campaigns against other gay celebrities have gotten nationwide attention, and now, whether he likes it or not, John-John is about to be dragged out of the closet. He'd better brace himself."
[quote]There was a rumor when he was still alive that John John was blowing a guy on the side of the LIE one night on his way out to the Hamptons. The cops, of course, once informed of who he was, let him off.
Heard a similar story many years ago from a family member who used to be in the NYPD only the location was Central Park, early morning. My relative wasn't the one who caught JFK Jr but was told by another officer who was there.
I wonder if this story is true or if it like the Richard Gere urban legend with gerbil in L.A.?
I once dated a guy who was friends with a guy who claimed to have been JFK Jr's on-again, off-again boyfriend.
r46, was he really good looking and in shape? Did you believe him?
Interesting stories. I never heard them before, but I've never been connected to the UES or Hamptons crowd. I remember seeing JFK Jr. a few times when I worked in Tribeca and he was living on Franklin or N. Moore Street. He used to eat breakfast at the diner in the ground floor of my office building. The man was stunning. Gave off such a sexy vibe without even trying.
John John and his best mate & cousin, Anthony Radziwill used to take turns blowing each other while they summered in Montauk in '73.
I don't think the marriage would have lasted if they survived the crash. I always thought she was all wrong for him.
She was r50. She looked nothing like Caroline.
[quote]Our poster campaigns against other gay celebrities
AGAINST? What a nut!
R51, ie "wink-wink." Do you think John John played with his sister?
Long time affair of John John with Jan Wenner while Daryl Hannah was the beard.
R36 Yeah you are wrong! My recollection was that Bergin was screwing Carolyn before and after the marriage NOT that some thrupple was going on!
Anyway John John must have been a bottom.
if he ever took a cock, i'm sure he gave it back.
I recall driving down Wilshire Blvd years ago and seeing guy looked like JFK Jr. in a BMW 3 series. I looked over and he was very aware that people noticed him. He seemed very cool and not arrogant or uptight with nice smile.
I later read he did his internship at L.A. law firm around this time.
Gorgeous man! Few men look so naturally beautiful / handsome.
Well, so far nobody has any real proof. Just because he's hot, DL has to believe he's gay.
R58 demands proof on a gay GOSSIP site. What part of the word GOSSIP do you not understand, cunt?
The closet often circumvents proof. That's the WHOLE point of the closet.
Idiot breeders have ruined DL.
R52, against CLOSET CASES, idiot.
To all those here who keep accusing DL of making all hot men gay, think about who is being "accused." Usually someone who has had rumors circling around them in the film industry or sports world without the help of DL.
It's usually always the same names or people thought to be gay.
You never hear rumors about Eddie Cibrian, Rod Stewart or James Taylor etc. also good looking in their day and famous.
R61, Never heard rumors about Rod Stewart? Are you kidding me?
In defense of Outpost's accuracy, many of those pictured on the Absolutely Queer posters eventually came out: Jodie Foster, David Geffen, Greg Louganis.
While others who were outed never came out--Whitney Houston, John Travolta, Barry Diller--does anyone these days believe they are/were straight?
r53, I think alot of closeted gay men find their sisters - especially those they have been intimately close to - to be the prototype of the ideal mate; i.e., finding a sister-replacement instead of an actual lover that fulfills their every sexual need. In John-John's case, he had a particualrly masculine sister that he was very close with. Significantly, the first real girlfriend he had was a Caroline look-a-like. He was looking for buddies, not sexual mates.
Carolyn (note the name) was a sister replacement, but she was Caroline's physical antithesis. Even if he was inherently homosexual, the physical attraction for Carolyn would have waned.
Spotlight loving John-John on The Tonight Show ... Jerry Seinfeld was all nervous next to him, looking at his hair and thinking what a wonderful head of it it was.
No one will ever know who shot JFK, and no one will ever know who blew JFK Jr.
R8 I felt someone should mention how idiotic your comment was. It's doubtful that a single kennedyphile voted for Bush.
R64 Caroline had,has will will always have the Kennedy fugface! John was beautiful.He do much better than his sister in terms of an affair/romantic friendship/kinda sorta fooling around.
Those who only want to see JFK Jr should go to about 33 minutes into the video at R65's link!
r68, how old are you? You are operating from a very superficial point of view.
Prince Charles had a hot virgin blonde on his arm for life, but he wanted the slattern horse-face who reminded him more of his female family members.
Caroline may not be traditionally beautiful by a 13-year old's standard, but that doesn't mean she isn't attractive to many men. In fact, she has an earthy, homey attractiveness that would appeal to many men, not to mention possessing the attractiveness of a force of personality.
And you missed completely what I was saying in my post.
R64, R70, I appreciate your post, in answering my original question. I've noticed that some men go for substitute "Mother" figures, particularly if they have not had enough maternal or even parental care growing up. Close sisters often fill this role; therefore some men choose dominate women as wives. I've seen heteros conflicted by the madonna/whore dichotomy too.
I heard rumors that while marrying a near virgin, Prince Charles wanted Diana to be sexually adventurous and skilled, and possibly even the aggressor in bed. He did not want to coddle his wife, in or out of bed.
R15, I see nothing wrong with that.
Imagine showing up at Brown and you go to your room and JFK JR is your roommie.
And you're gay.
Jackie no doubt had his roommates screened for heterosexuality. I'm sure she was able to throw her weight around and have anyone who failed the test removed.
But then again it's Brown. In the 1980s. Experimentation was rampant.
You have a wonderful imagination R73.
The more I hear about Jackie O over the years, the more vile she sounds. What a nasty, uptight, elitist woman she was.
Jackie and her Sister were God diggers. Period. Jackie was just better at it. Lee Radziwill is a bitter old woman with very little money left. I am sure Caroline helps her out.
The only positive thing that might be said about John Kennedy Jr. leaving this world so young is that if he had survived, Andy Cohen would be so far up his ass that you'd need a colostomy scope to see AC's crossed eyes.
[quote]Just because he's hot, DL has to believe he's gay.
No doubt, R58 belongs to the same pathetic group that includes those who post "This is why they hate us" and "You're a whore darlin."
Not to mention "the group oblivious to the existence of the past tense."
Not to mention she had massive hands and feet. Did Caroline get those?
RE: Imagine showing up at Brown and you go to your room and JFK JR is your roommie.
And you're gay.
[quote]Jackie and her Sister were God diggers.
I never heard that Lee was a nun.
Sorry, Gold, not God.
In the video with Jay Leno, he reminds me of Jake Gyllenall in his mannerisms and the way he speaks! Does that officially make him gay??
No one looked as good as JFK Jr. did and was also nice to people always. Never heard one story of him being rude or arrogant to anyone.
Jackie did a Fantastic job raising her children.
I wonder why he was always such a dare-devil?
R87 Why does Tom Cruise race cars or John Travolta fly jets?
Trying too hard.
And really very sweet but not always the brightest bulb. "Let's fly at night even though I'm not really a good pilot. And it would be really boring to hire a car and driver to drive us there and we can catch a ferry in the morning!"
I once had a neighbor I thought was closeted and his wife said he drove very fast and like a dare devil.
NO. A thousand times NO.
No one man in political arena or Hollywood has ever had this level of charm or charisma since JFK Jr.
JFK Jr. had so much charm and class. I wish he were alive to be running for Mayor of NYC.
Compare him to the guy tweeting out dick pics. while his wife and child are in the next room.
What was up with his wife being quoted as calling him gay slurs?
[quote]JFK Jr. had so much charm and class. I wish he were alive to be running for Mayor of NYC.
That would be an easy win.
R95, she was jealous of his pretty looks. She looked good if she spent a lot of time getting herself together. He woke up, brushed his teeth, combed his hair and voila! (And he didn't even need to comb his hair.)
ask Richard Wiese
R65 In that interview John-John seems a little fey, don't you think?
I wish he had never learned to fly a plane.
guess u got that wish.
R70 To many men Caroline is not good looking....at all. During her wooing of the NY Senate seat she was also exposed as having the vocabulary of a Valley Girl! She has all the poise of a blow up doll as well.I know you are on her payroll BUT that's OK we still know she's nothing beautiful both outside and inside.
John John was not remotely equipped to be mayor on NYC.
John John was equipped to be mounted on a gay NYC mayor though!
R104 Believe me, I would have mounted him.
He was gorgeous, but he wasn't all that bright, and he was literally carried and fawned over by the press, more so than Obama. Remember that JFK was successful because of the enormous staff and protective group his dad assembled around him. Pretty boy but no way of knowing if he had any true talent.
J-J wasn't slick. He was actually quite genuine compared to other guys of his calibre. He would have made a bumbling politician.
When people here comment that JFK Jr. was "not all that bright" this is really not fair. He did finish law school and pass the NYC bar exam on 2nd attempt.
The now former mayor of Los Angeles, Tony Villar failed the California Bar Exam 4 times and never passed.
Do you think his sister knows?
[quote] He did finish law school and pass the NYC bar exam on 2nd attempt.
He didn't pass on his 2nd attempt.
His father was orally serviced on a regular basis by friend Lem Billings, since they attended prep school together.
After the assassination, Lem bragged that he sucked off JFK in the White House just before he and Jackie left for Texas.
He failed the New York bar exam twice before passing on the third try in July 1990.
Three's a Charm, r112.
Tony Villar, former mayor of Los Angeles
failed the bar exam 4 (FOUR) times and never passed it.
[quote] His father was orally serviced on a regular basis by friend Lem Billings, since they attended prep school together.
After the assassination, Lem bragged that he sucked off JFK in the White House just before he and Jackie left for Texas.
RE: After the assassination, Lem bragged that he sucked off JFK in the White House just before he and Jackie left for Texas.
I do not believe this.
Lem was a drunk and a drug addict.
He would shoot his mouth off in NYC clubs when high as a kite, revealing his JFK stories.
Check out the Gerald Clarke book on Truman Capote . . . it's in there.
I bet he was hung.
I still can't believe John Jr. is gone. I remember him saluting his father at the funeral when he was a small child.
R118 He was evidently a bit of an exhibitionist and, according to one quote in a bio from a fellow gym goer, he could have had a career as a porn star.
JFK was not known to be hung. Capote swore that all three Kennedy brothers put together did not make for one decent dick.
I have a feeling JFK Jr took after the Kennedy side in the dick department.
But he looked like his mother.
How the hell would Truman Capote know about the Kennedy brothers' dick sizes?
Over the years, Truman would have seen them swimming naked at various occasions where they swam in the pool.
Thanks for the random WTF thought of the day!
Do you think a gay man ever had sex with a woman? If he did, he's not gay!!!
Truman Capote once said that after seeing Robert Kennedy swimming nude, that he couldn't figure out how he could have fathered all those kids.
Whether or not a roach clip would've been necessary, I'd have hit it. Hard.
[quote]Truman Capote once said that after seeing Robert Kennedy swimming nude, that he couldn't figure out how he could have fathered all those kids.
There was SHRINKAGE!
To think what that body looked like after they fished it out of the Atlantic . . . pity.
He hated the name John John, and when he grew to adulthood Kennedy worshippers used to insist you had to refer to him in the third person as "John Kennedy," because that's how he referred to himself. (It was assumed he was going to distinguish himself politically as he aged, and that John John was too childish a name for an adult.)
But then he died young, and so now and forever history will know him as John John.