Is "The Conjuring" really the most SHOCKING film of the year?
Should I bring a barf bag or wear adult diapers?
Why is Patrick Wilson bad acting in all of these creepy movies?
It is. They've electrified the seats.
It looks interested but I think they're taking a bit from those 'Paranormal Activity' movie playbooks, claiming it's real and "the MOST shocking" etc. etc.
It's all hype for a movie that will come and go without a lot of fanfare. I think I'd still like to see it though. It'll be a good Halloween DVD rental.
The ads looked scary until I saw the people flying around, etc.
Supposed to be an evil doll and they made it look scarier in the film whereas in real life, the evil doll is a large "Raggedy Ann" doll.
I personally think Ed and Lorraine Warren don't mean to do harm but their ghost stories aren't exactly true.
It's based on those fundie "psychic" con-artists who handled the Amityville horror house.
They're not fundies, R4, they're Catholic.
Patrick Wilson in EW, when asked about Lorraine Warren, diplomatically said, "I think SHE truly believes these things happen."
I think R3 just ruined it for me, (not your fault though R3)..
An EVIL DOLL?!? REALLY?!?! If that's it, I'm out. I thought it was about a house with an evil spirit let loose by being accidentally conjured up.
If it's all about a possessed doll, I suddenly have no interest. The commercial showing the masked person levitating in the chair was a bit f a turn off anyway. I was expecting, and hoping for much darker, more 'real'..
Entertainment Weekly has pictures of the evil doll (Annabelle) behind a glass barrier with signs to NOT remove it.
[quote]They're not fundies, [R4], they're Catholic.
Catholic fundamentalists, dumbass.
The Conjuring and its True Story
James Wan’s latest foray into the haunted house genre leads him straight into The Conjuring which is “based on a true story” about the Perron family who were terrorized by demonic entities in which ghost hunters Ed and Lorraine Warren were called upon to investigate. We see this very often — especially with horror films — because adding the tag “based on a true” story to your credits instantly grabs everyone’s attention. And it should. Many movies are based on some truth and when it comes to something that looks as terrifying as Wan’s The Conjuring then we want to dig deeper into the events which inspired it.
I just recently dug up the true story about The Possession which was produced by Sam Raimi about the famous dibbuk box that held a malicious ancient spirit inside that did horrible things to each of its owners. That story was much easier to track down the “true” events because it was a much more popular haunting. The Harrisville haunting, the basis of The Conjuring, was a bit more difficult as not many people know about it yet. Hopefully this will give you guys an idea as to what the true story behind The Conjuring really is.
What you’re about to read is all entirely from the accounts of Andrea Perron. Like any story such as this, there’s a ton of skepticism because it’s one of those things that we may never know to be true or not. Read on, and take from it what you will, whether you believe in these things or not it’s a fascinating story regardless and one that I hope you guys will find interesting
"The Haunting in Connecticut" is another Ed & Lorraine Warren story. I read the book they wrote about it "In a Dark Place" 20 years ago and it was the scariest book I've ever read and thought at the time that it would make a great movie. Then all those years later they finally made it...but what I've noticed is that Hollywood takes a sliver of truth about what actually happened, mainly names and dates, and then creates a whole different mythology for dramatic purposes.
Andrea Perrin is the lady who lived The Conjouring when she was a little girl. She has a lot of interviews on youtube telling what really happened and its fairly interesting. They lived in the house for ten years and stuff would happen on and off. She said when the Warrens showed up things became REALLY scary.
I was watching one where Lorainne Warren admitted that they sold the rights to their life story to MGM years ago...so expect to see more of these stories.
R14, I have a personal story about that dibbik box from The Posession...not even sure I should share it but here goes:
I have a client who is a journalist who went and met the man that owns the box. The real box is buried somewhere in Kansas but he had a replica at his house. So the next day she's at her apartment writing up the story when this foul odor fills her home. This phenomena is one of the things associated with the box. She got freaked out and called up the guy and told him what was happeneing. He said that he thought that it was definitely trying to make contact with her and she should only work on the story at the office and not at home. She agreed and the smell went away. So then shes at work sitting with the photographer and they're editing the story on a laptop when all of a sudden an obscure error message pops up and then the screen goes grey and right in the middle is a face. They took a pic of it and she showed it to me. It was the most terrifying thing I've ever seen. After that I was like, "we have to stop talking about this..." I was getting too scared!
So the story goes to air and not one word was mentioned about the resulting phenomena...
Too much CGI is ruining today's horror movies.
[quote]Too much CGI is ruining today's horror movies.
Horror is better than ever.
Go back to watching your corny "Friday The 13th".
[quote]I was watching one where Lorainne Warren admitted that they sold the rights to their life story to MGM years ago...so expect to see more of these stories.
Not if it bombs.
[quote]Just another run-of-the-mill "Exorcist" rip-off ghost movie with silly special effects. Wait for it to come onto DVD to rent on the cheap.
More like "Insidious"
This movie is not solely based on an evil doll.
The real family were actually interviewed in Entertainment Weekly a few weeks ago. The house the family bought had already been the site of many tragedies. The mom who was model pretty when they moved in, had aged rapidly within a short amount of time.
People need to research a property's background thoroughly, not just get someone to come in to check the house's structure! Find out if there were any murders or even natural deaths in the house.
A relative lived in a haunted house in Queens NY, a house where I had a few paranormal experiences, these things can happen.
I never wanted to be in that house alone, even the presence of my relatives huge wolfhound didn't make me feel safe. In fact, the dog was the first living thing in the house to experience the ghosts and other paranormal activity.
The first week my relative was in there, the dog was always looking up and barking up towards the ceiling. Seconds later the loud thumping noises started. The dog was always mellow and that was not normal behavior for him, I guess then, the relative finally realized that buying that house was a huge mistake.
When my relative initially looked at the house, there was a tombstone in the basement, my relative bought the house anyway! The basement was always creepy, even after a complete renovation, it was not a comfortable atmosphere. In fact, the original owners, who agreed to have the tombstone removed, left it there, at the closing the former owners joked, "He needs to be there." Uh-oh!
I still couldn't believe my relative was so oblivious, the former owners knew exactly who that tombstone belonged to.....someone buried in the backyard. The entire area of the yard had already been cemented over before the house was put up for sale.
My reaction to seeing a tombstone in a basement, would have been, "No thanks! Show me another house."
Sure enough, within a week of my relative moving in, the weird thumping noises and intense pulsating lights coming from a darkened kitchen started. There was banging on the side of the house, when clearly there was no one outside doing it. I couldn't believe they remained there close to 20 years! I guess they made peace with the ghosts or whoever was causing the paranormal experiences.
Lorraine Warren's most recent gig has been on the TV series "Paranormal State", which also has Catholic overtones. She's a bit of a loon. The minute she walks into someone's home she always feels a presence! Same for the priest and the old queen on the show.
Anyone know what came of the host Ryan, wasn't he dying of cancer?
R27, looking at Ryan's Facebook page, he appears to be doing well.
At least for now.
These families are always very blabby after the fact, never during. These stories tend to grow in the telling.
And the movie looks dumb.
Anyone who believes on this crap is an idiot.
No such thing as demons and ghosts, morons.
No such thing as god.
Not one iota of proof.
All this is phony science.
Yeah but Aunt Lillian swore she heard bumps with the dog smelled a strange odor and the doll looked at me funny.
I agree, R30.
And Lili Taylor's last horror film, "The Haunting" was so terrible I'd assumed she'd never want to make another.
I've seen some good reviews around but I saw a preview screening and I thought it was pretty bad. I loved Insidious too (well everything except those stupid scenes in that dry ice dimension) so this made me sad.
Ugh! I used to live in an old house where an old cemetery used to be. It was such a creepy house.
If you want to see true horror, just visit Texas or Florida...and be Black.
[quote]And Lili Taylor's last horror film, "The Haunting" was so terrible I'd assumed she'd never want to make another.
R31, Don't forget the recent 'Hemlock Grove'. Guess she's only getting horror films now.
R27 - what neighborhood in Queens?
r3- The studio could not get the image licensing for the Raggedy Ann doll. And the doll is just an introduction to the lives of the Warrens, but not a large part of the story, r6.
Apparently what happened to the Perrons was far worse than depicted- James Wan (director) said that if he film those events, nobody would believe them, so he had to distill them down.
No naked Patrick Wilson Ass r11. Both he and Vera wanted to portray the Warrens as they really were, but the Warrens are so over the top, the studio thought that it would look like caricature. Even Lorraine's costumes are a watered down version- Lorraine in real life looks like a crazed velvet Scotswoman.
Lili Taylor is really good in this and awesome (actually the whole cast is) to work with.
I would call this more of a supernatural thriller, rather than a horror film.
Saw it last evening and enjoyed it more than I expected. Ron Livingston seems to be phoning it in much of the time, but the rest of the cast is in good form, especially Vera Farmiga (as Lorraine) and Lily Taylor. I'm sure Farmiga could have taken Lorraine further into the loon territory if the director wanted to go there, judging by her fine work in BATES MOTEL.
Patrick Wilson is also in the INSIDIOUS films by the same director (#2 is coming in a couple of months). Guess he's not getting much work elsewhere - other than his great bod, he's rather bland.
Also r23, there is only 1 scene with CGI in it, the rest are practical effects. So there!
R23 is ABSOLUTELY correct, R24, so deal with it. CGI is ruining ALL films, particularly horror. There's nothing worse than going to see a scary film and seeing abvious computer effects (the Nightmare on Elm Street retelling is a prime example). Effects are best when they are mechanical, and make-up is best when it's real contact lenses on an actor changing into a werewolf, not CGId-in coloring. It looks and feels more real. CGI sucks harder than a $2.00 whore.
I just came from an early showing about half an hour ago. It had a few scares but overall it was underwhelming. I wouldn't watch it again.
I wish there was more innovation in horror movies. They're all so formulaic, and I'm surprised that someone isn't coming up with better ideas. The last horror movie that scared the shit out of me was The Ring and even that was a remake.
Saw it today. It is bad. Very corny and super religious.
Why is it that, at least in movies, Catholics are always in charge of exorcisms? You can be atheist, Protestant, Jewish, Buddhist, atheist, Hindi, Jain, Scientologist or Raelisan, but when someone gets possessed, they always get the Vatican on the horn?
I just saw it. Wow. It was terrifying! I was practically in my partner's seat throughout the film. We're both interested in ghosts, the super natural, etc. but I'm the one who is scared shitless of all that. Still, an enjoyable fast-paced good time. A good film for an afternoon matinee-if you know what I mean!
The Warrens have a fascinating life and I hope that the success of "The Conjuring" will lead to more movies about their amazing life. We've been a fan since seeing her work on "Paranormal State."
Speaking of which, does anyone know how Ryan Buell is doing?
Right-wing Catholic and woman-hating bullshit. On par with going to an Exodus meeting. Skip it.
OMG...there are people here who believe this bullshit. Wow. Just wow.
my thoughts exactly, dumb dummies
Wrong R45, there is absolutely nothing right-wing or woman-hating about it. Yes, there is a woman possessed and it is true the Catholic Church is the only church that performs exorcisms, but it's isn't pushing a particular religion in any way. In fact, Ed Warren has to stand in when the church is too slow in coming through to help these people.
The heroine of the film is Lorraine Warren, an incredibly strong brave woman who is truly a hero for our (occasionally) Godless times.
I literally saw it hours ago. I'm still freaked out. I told my partner he coukd not leave the bedroom tonight-Ha, Ha-and I assure everyone it does not have an agenda and it is intelligent, well acted and SCARY!
R48= MORON. Of the highest order. The movie is SUPER religious. You're completely blind.
I'm not a moron R49, why would you insult me? And over a movie?!
It involves Catholicism because (hope this isn't a spoiler) it deals with a demonic possession. Catholic priests, under the supervision and blessing of the Vatican, are the people who perform exorcisms.
In this case, Ed Warren is able to perform an exorcism because of his past experience and close working relationship with Catholic priests who are exorcism specialists.
So it is necessary to have a Catholic element in the film because of the subject matter. It's not "religious" per se.
Can't wait to see this!
Creepy without butchery is right up my alley.
Mrs. Pamela Voorhees
Nobody would believe them? Nobody believes them now, so he should have included everything,
It's a reasonably scary movie with three good leads doing much less than their best work and some of the worst movie dialogue ever written.
I saw this yesterday am still scared about it. Too bad horror movies aren't taken seriously when it comes to awards. Everything about this film was top notch. I hope it beats "Enders Game" at the box office this weekend. It's based on a true story, too. Lorraine Warren is a brave lady!
A scary movie, though it was very familiar, and Vera Farmiga plays Lorraine Warren like the embodiment of sanctimoniousness. I thought it was very strange they did all the extraneous business with the Warrens' daughter being attacked by the witch and then all that went nowhere.
Th costumes of the Perron family sure didn't look very period authentic. When they showed the photos of the actual Perron family at the end, the disparity between how they really looked in 1971 and how the actresses looked in the movie was very jarring.
The grotesquely horrible doll and the evil hanging tree (made of fiberglass, apparently) were too much. People kept giggling when they appeared. But the creepy music box was a great prop.
Because they were trying to make it jibe with the real lives of the Warrens, there were things that made no sense, such as why they would keep all the evil objects in a museum room in their house with their young daughter living there.
"Honey, remember to stay out of daddy's secret museum of occult evil! Oh why are you always so fascinated with his forbidden museum of mystery?"
Sitting with your face in your partner's crotch is not the same as "practically being in your partners' seat", R44.
A big problem is that it ran the same bases as "Insidious," which ran the same bases as "Poltergeist" and "The Amityville Horror." Little things go wrong with the family in the house, they don't know what WE know, it gets worse and worse, and then BOOM! even they can't deny there's a big fat haunting. It hits all the familiar rhythms.
I did like the blindfold-clap game, though (that was creepy).
It IS super-religious -- the end tag pretty much states that you have to believe in God...AND Satan.
I don't, so I found much of the film to be immensely silly, though I'll admit it was well-made, with a few good "jump" scares and strong performances from Lili Taylor and (especially) Vera Farmiga. Patrick Wilson was awful, however.
I agree - it was a tad too religious for my tastes. That said I did think it was creepy as hell, with a few legitimately terrifying moments.
Much better than many of the other flicks masquerading as horror that have been put out in the last few years.
Oh, and I thought all the children in it were great. Especially the kinda butch one who is hiding in the cop car at the end.
I liked that one too, r60. She seemed like a real little girl--she didn't have that Hollywood quality other child actors have (including the youngest child in this film), both in terms of her looks and her acting. She seemed like a real little girl.
R50= moron of the HIGHEST order.
Go away, churchie.
There's not an overtly religious message in "The Conjuring," but it is based on the fantastic, and very spooky, work of Ed and Lorraine Warren who find strength and courage in their Catholic faith. I can see no reason why anyone would object to that.
I was raised Catholic, but being gay I don't consider myself Catholic anymore; nor does my family for that matter. However, if I were ever in a situation dealing with demon possession you can be sure I would want the services of a Catholic priest to perform an exorcism. They are the only people who have the training and authority to perform such a task. I have a suspicion that anyone objecting to the Warrens' Catholicism would change their mind if confronted with a demon! ;)
Ther faith gives the movie a grounding in reality, that makes the characters three-dimensional, believable and worth rooting for. When I said I was in my partner's seat, I meant I was leaning against him throughout the movie. I'm not a wuss-but ghosts and the supernatural sure do scare me!
"The Conjuring" is filled with mystery, intrigue and chills. For a horror movie it has an especially heartfelt story about family, perseverence and, yes, faith in good triumphing over evil. Don't miss this well-acted, well-written thrill ride!
[quote]it is based on the fantastic, and very spooky, work of Ed and Lorraine Warren who find strength and courage in their Catholic faith. I can see no reason why anyone would object to that.
Because it's all a fraud: that's why we would object to it.
They're hucksters who tried to make money off their cheesy fake ghost museum and the silly horse-and-pony show they'd bring around to college campuses with which to scare gullible undergraduates.
Sigh. Of course we can't discuss a horror movie without it devolving into a religious debate. Yes there was religion in the film, but it was a fucking DEMON movie. How could there not be religion in it?
Overall, I thought it was a well-made film with a few good scares. I enjoyed it a lot, but ultimately, it's unremarkable. There's nothing iconic about it, and I doubt it will be talked about very much in the years to come. Unless they make it into a series based on the Warrens, which I wouldn't mind. I thought Farminga and Wilson were well cast in the roles.
Also, the little butch girl is very much the child actress. She's been in a lot of things for an actress her age.
r65- They do plan on making more movies based upon the Warrens-for a short time, the movie was titled, "The Warren Files". Also, remember at the end of the movie, Lorraine gets off the phone and said there was a case in Long Island? That was a reference to Amityville.
But that won't be the next film, and, "Conjuring 2" script is being written as we speak:
(Also, google pics of little butch girl (Joey King) at the premiere of the movie- she looks like a baby Rachel Weisz)
The movie succeeds on its own terms. It's scary, it's creepy and it works. It's not dependent on endless blood and gore, which is incredibly refreshing, and most of the acting is very good, save Patrick Wilson, who is just okay, and Ron Livingston, who seems very much out of his element.
Why all this debate about Catholicism and religion and whatnot? Who cares? If you can't handle that aspect of the story, get your ass to "After Earth", where Smith père et fils will truly horrify you without even a hint of a mention about the Vatican.
Because religious propaganda, particularly of the right-wing kind, does not help gay people. Idiots.
I thought "The Conjuring" was a hackneyed shitfest. It was so over-the-top I was half expecting a buzzer to go off under my seat. The audience was laughing through all of the possession scenes as well. Not a good sign.
Awful dialogue, zero pacing, excessive CGI graphics, and a formulaic plot. The only bright spots are Wilson and Farmiga's somewhat grounded performances.
I spent most of the movie wondering why Wilson was starring in such a turd.
Sometimes people laugh when they're scared- I've seen it with a lot of horror movies.
Actually, r69, there was very little CGI in "The Conjuring" -- most of the FX were the classic, traditional models and rotating sets, etc. The only blatant CGI moment, as far as I could tell, was the sheet flying away from Vera Farmiga to reveal the witch in Lili Taylor's room.
[quote]They're not fundies, [R4], they're Catholic.
The difference being?
I loved Insidious which had the nice bonus of getting to look at Patrick Wilson and his ass, so I'll see this.
I forgot to add that Lili Taylor also gives a decent performance considering the material.
r73, there's not Patrick Wilson ass in this one.
In fact, I was surprised The Conjuring was rated R. I've seen PG-13 films that are far more violent and disturbing.
I was more scared by the family that came into the theatre five minutes before the movie started toting dinner and 3 small children including a toddler. Amzing. I thought the movie was well made and looked great but it was by no means scary. This terrain has been covered in dozens of other movies. I did love the shots of the actors esp. Wilson and the guy who played the cop in tight early 70s pants. Wish there was more attention paid to that than the tired ass evil doll. Haarummph!
Who are the idiots complaining about the religious aspect of it? It's a movie about satanic demons!!!! Duh, there's going to be god thrown in.
Some of the best horror movies are pretty damn religious. Personally I find religion to be super creepy so it makes perfect sense to me that it'd be in a horror movie about invisible spirits.
Actually r71- that scene was a practical effect. The scenes that had CGI were:
Nancy's hair ends as she gets dragged around (for some reason, they made the ends look fuller, even though that was a practical effect), the birds outside the house, floating Judy in the water, Carolyn's appearing finger print bruise, her disappearing burns and bruises at the end, Maurice's inverted crucifix in his abdomen.
I don't think that is excessive CGI- James Wan (director) likes to use practical effects as much as possible, so it's amusing to hear people think that it's all CGI.
r76, the actor in question is John Brotherton, ex-Jared from One Life to Live.
Just saw this. It stunk to high heaven! It's like a watered-down "Insideous". I've seen so many better horror films in recent years. People must have gotten paid to give such rave reviews.
There were loads of CGI in it. Wan is notorious for it.
If anyone found this remotely scary, you'd have heart attacks if you watched the foreign horror that's come out in the last ten years!
I don't know where you're getting your info, r81, but Wan is not notorious for CGI- just Google "James Wan CGI" and you'll see that he eschews it.
All of his films are under $20 million, 2 of which are a little of a millon, and he prefers to spend the money on practical effects.
r83, did you see "Insidious"?
Yes I did- the only CGI was altering the face of the long haired ghost when he was attacking Renai, the lipstick demon climbing sideways on the wall, and the same demon coming down the stairs on his lair. Insidious cost a little over a million to make, so they couldn't afford any more.
A good ghost story is rare these days. Most of the time Hollywood confuses disgust from gore with scares from ghosts or whatever.
Everything in "The Conjuring" is a repeat of stuff that's been done in the last ten years in foreign horror, and poorly I might add. I kept looking at the running time, hoping that something was finally going to live up to this "shocking" horror film label. I was annoyed that I'd wasted my time on it.
I still love Wan though, just not this awful script.
I enjoyed it - a solid 7/10. Lorraine Warren has a very small cameo in the film.
I saw it this weekend. It was ok, but no big deal at all. I really don't know what all the fuss is about. The basic plot has been done a thousand times. People move into a haunted house, spooky things happen, they bring people in to get rid of the pesky evil spirits and pandemoniusm ensues. I'm a fan of horror movies; there are God knows how many out there with the exact same premise.
The Warrens are portrayed very positively; they're fine, good people who truly want to help those unfortunate enough to have demons or devils or ghosts in their home. In reality, they're charlatans. They were involved with the Amityville Horror hoax; they take advantage of superstitious, ignorant people. There are NO demons, ghosts, spirits, etc.; just foolish people and opportunists like the Warrens.
A sequel is already in the works, this one supposedly set in early seventies England.
I like it. Hardly any CGI which is great because in a horror movie it takes me RIGHT OUT OF IT. BTW, I laugh sometimes during horror movies even when I'm scared. I'm having a good time.
IT was not nearly as scary as people claim it was. Most the so-called scary moments were teased moments before the actual horror occurred. The one exception: the moment when Vera Farmiga is playing clap-clap hide-and-seek with her daughter, goes into a room, asks for the clap clap, the wardrobe opens, and phantom hands come out to clap to lure her closer. Likewise, when she is dragged to the basement by the demon, runs back up the stars in darkness, and for a flash we see the clap clap hands engulf her, there is sheer terror. Those two moments were epic horror.
As a Christian, I certainly believe that demons exist, just as Jesus Christ taught. However, the movie is a horror movie and not even theologically correct from a Biblical perspective, so I don't see why anyone would whine about its purported religious content.
Oh, by the way, Catholics are not the only church that perform exorcisms, as some have erroneously asserted herein. Many Pentecostals and charismatic Christians also perform exorcisms, which is the fastest segment of modern Christianity and comprises over 500,000 million people.
I was genuinely creeped out by Insidious. Just saw Possession, mainly because of Jeffrey Dean Morgan (damn, he's hot). It was not that scary and like a Jewish Exorcist.
It's all nonsense. I can't be scared by these movies. Startled, sure. But scared? No. Because there is no such thing.
Now a movie with a psycho chasing and torturing people, that scares me. Because that could happen in real life.
[quote] they're editing the story on a laptop when all of a sudden an obscure error message pops up and then the screen goes grey and right in the middle is a face.
I had no idea that ghosts knew how to write HTML code!
I haven't watched the film, but it was quite a hit this summer. It has made 243 million worldwide (133 million in US), which is pretty remarkable for a small film with a 20 million dollar budget.
I haven't really checked into Wan earlier, but according to IMDb he's only done these low-budget horrors earlier. Now he's stepping into the big league because he's directing Fast & Furious 7. Number six made 787 million worldwide so he's got a little bit of pressure on him.
I loved the first half and thought it was really scary but then when the Warrens entered, it kind of became stale. Nothing new. We've seen it a million times before.
I was really glad to see Lili Taylor, though. The cast was good but the story was...meh.
Annabelle is truly a hit, making about 17 million this weekend.
Just streamed it and watched it ....was I the only one hoping the spirits possessed the two husbands and made them fuck ?
Thought it was pretty good and think there should be more Ed & Lorraine sequels.