Wow, good for her. She's got a big mouth. They won't be able to shut her up. I hope she tells all their secrets.
It would be nice if it was true, but I'm not holding my breath.
Leah, you in danger gurl!
Who is Leah Remini?
She'll be found in a dumpster soon.
She was on Howard Stern a couple of times in the past and she was fairly thick-skinned as they mocked Scientology. She seemed too normal and sussed to be in a cult. Her leaving makes sense.
she gave millions to scientology? what a fucking idiot.
She's a one-note hack who probably "believed" that being a scientologist empowered her to have a starring run on a TV show.
True, it's hard to imagine any other reason someone would cast her in anything, so I see the leap of "faith".
But stupid is as stupid does.
No wonder it took her so long to figure it out.
Xenu. Thetans. Come on.
r9 I very much disagree. I do not like her as a person (the Scieno thing was a big part of that but she is bitchy to boot), but she was great on King of Queens as the wife. She had great comedic timing. That show can really make me laugh, and it ususally because of some funny bitchy put down she says, as Kevin James and Jerry Stiller are just annoying on it.
Since she has a young daughter and all I really hope the $cienos do not harm her.
Remini's parents are $cienos and so she has that whole second generation cult mode of thinking. She should be commended for getting the hell out of that cult while her child is still so very young. Who wants third generation $cienos walking around anyway?
STUPID LOUD MOUTH CUNT!!!!!!!!!!!!
I love Leah and am glad she has come to her senses with regard to this cult. I miss seeing her on television regularly. She was hilarious on The King of Queens, as was the entire cast.
Is she still married? Her husband is still a happy clam, right?
Just wait. Next week she'll be claiming that Sharon Osbourne had her kicked out of the church.
Has her suicide been scheduled yet?
They're hiring at The View!!!
Is she still fat? Man, she bulked up on King of Queens.
She's a host/ was a host on The Talk, right? Did she never say anything about Scientology?
I think this might be true. There have been rumors before about Leah trying to leave. If it is true, I agree with R11, she should commended for getting especially being a second generation Scieno.
Good for her. It's hard to walk away from a cult under any circumstances, but especially when you've been raised in it.
RIP Leah .
I wonder what is her real reason for stepping away--what has she recently found out that is making her question the organization. The article cites her questioning the validity of disconnecting but that's always gone on. She was a hardcore supporter even doing robocalls to shake down people to give more money to the cult.
I didn't realize Miscavige's wife has been missing for six years. Has she been sent to Sea Org? I hope she's alive.
The quote that stands out to me in that article is, [bold]Mrs. Miscavige reportedly hasn’t been seen in public since 2007.[/bold]
I haven't either, R25, but it's only because I've gotten fat.
This will help. She is too visible for them to harm her. Each defection helps the next. The more visible and famous the defector is the more damage it does to this evil corporation/cult.
One of the perks of Leah defecting is Jenna Elfman's head must be EXPLODING!
wow, this is awesome news.
But, I agree, the real story is: what have they done to Ms. Miscavige's wife?
Leah Remini is on another sitcom, something that came on either before or after Modern Family last night. I was only half watching, but she seems to be playing the same type of character as on King of Queens.
“She’s from Brooklyn. The church can’t hurt her . . ."
On the Going Clear thread, the reasons why Remini left are revealed. She also pushed her whole family out of the cult. In sum she stood up to Miscabbage, who retaliated. Hopefully Remini will now get a pap blitz, helping both her future career and outing Scieno's many crimes.
What does that even mean? People from Brooklyn all have congenital insensitivity to pain with anhidrosis?
Tony Ortega pretty much said the same thing but, I went back and googled her. Even though she might have asked about Shelly Miscavige in 2007 in 2009 she was totally defending Scientology in an interview, using the usual same words like "bigotry against my religion" bs that Cruise uses. I'm not sure she's actually quit, even though she has been considering herself a Catholic lately.
Wasn't it just last year that LMP was rumored to have left, but it turned out she eventually went back? If this is true, I bet she'll end up going back somehow.
Glad to hear this, I always thought Leah was too smart to be involved with $cientology.
I'd have a lot more respect for her if she'd mentioned anything about the church's rampant homophobia bothering her. She should've quit for that alone years ago, especially when she'd repeatedly claim that Scientology was the victim of bigotry. What the hell did she think all of it's anti-gay crap is? Even now, no indication that that bothers her one bit, and I doubt it does.
Scientology's homophobia is disgusting, but their practice of de facto slavery, and the outright murder of those who disagree with them, is far more problematic. In comparison, their attempts to closet actors have been miserable failures, and makes their homophobia (and them) into a joke.
r34 yeah LMP & PP left but are back in now.
R33, Here's the link to Tony Ortega's blog discussing Remini blowing the cult. How she was treated, after she questioned Miscabbage's wife's absence from Tom Cruise's wedding, is supposedly the motivating factor for her departure. Being from Brooklyn, she wasn't known to be as submissive as other celebs still stuck in the cult.
It seems like she is leaving the current church but not renouncing the teaching of Hubbard.
Well it's a start.
In the news vid on the link, the reporter quotes Remini's claims that the "'Church' is corrupt and very abusive." I wonder if other interviewers will pick up on this statement and "run with it."
[quote]I wonder what is her real reason for stepping away--what has she recently found out that is making her question the organization.
Having grown up with it, she probably had the same epiphany - as an adult - that many people who grew up in religious households ultimately have: that it's all total bullshit. (My mom, for instance, grew up in a devoutly Catholic home but is now an atheist.) It would've been nice if she'd had the epiphany earlier, but I'm glad she's told the cult to fuck off.
[quote]I didn't realize Miscavige's wife has been missing for six years. Has she been sent to Sea Org? I hope she's alive.
We've discussed this fact before. There's a difference between being "missing" and "not being seen in public." I've always assumed that CO$ keeps the majority of its highest-level Sea Orgs completely segregated from the outside world to "protect" them from "corrupting" influence, much like North Korea does. It's the most effective way of ensuring that the brainwashed stay that way. Makes sense that Miscavige's wife would be a highest-level $cieno - surely CO$ couldn't have a leader whose own wife dared to challenge his beliefs. They have a big enough problem keeping the likes of Nicole Kidman and Katie Holmes from blabbing anything!
Heber Jentzsch (sp?), the former president of Scientology international hasn't been seen in about 10 years.
I've always loved her!
Haters on here must be happy.
I hope this is true!
R40, you make it sound like she's spotted at the local Whole Foods holding cans of Del Monte green beans whenever she feels lonely, whenever she feels blue.
Will she come out and deny that she has left the church? It seems like a lot of people have a hard time quitting the church and make a statement, pretending they still like the church.
Her unsympathetic, bitchy brittleness undermined her career - but any kick at the $cios is fine with me. Yes, her stupidity for being a member in the first place, and her apparent care not to speak against the bullshit of the scam-cult while weeping over the creeps acting like creeps - against HER! - all tell why this isn't as if she's regained sanity,
but MIss David is probably pinching the arms of all her lackeys FORCEFULLY tonight.
I find all this Scieno shit fascinating.
It's great that Remini is leaving the cult. What is really interesting is that her Scieno infested family (mom's at the very top, step-dad's one step down from that) is standing by her.
Does this mean that they are now going to catch hell and be re-programmed, or whatever they call it, at a super-secretive Scieno-camp?
Also, I knew that David Miscavige's wife had been missing for years, I didn't know that the president of Scieno International has been missing for even more years. Don't these people have anyone outside of Scientology to raise a stink about this with the police?
Lately, I've been wondering if we are going to see the fall of David Miscavige. He doesn't seem to be able to stop information leaking out about his batshit behavior. I also wonder if Remini's escape will encourage John Travolta to finally tell them to fuck off.
R49, Supposedly Remini's family has also left the cult in support; otherwise they would never be able to speak to each other ever again. I'm guessing that she's let the info leak to the press. Wouldn't she be forced by the cult to make a clear denial if it were a total lie?
Members feel that their lives and well being are safer if they don't make a huge issue of disengaging from the cult. Have you read the true stories of what happens to those that publicly leave? Perhaps that's why Travolta is forced into making public statements defending the cult and giving huge amounts of money. I've posted comments on the Going Clear thread along this line.
People have made complaints to the police dept. There's little that can be done if the victim is an adult, especially without proof of physical harm. Adults are allowed to go missing if they choose.
Also the cult has given massive amounts of money to law enforcement in Los Angeles County and in the area where Gold Base Scieno HQ is located. Off-duty or retired police and FBI agents even guard Scieno facilities. Who would you trust?
Why would anyone who doesn't live in LA be concerned about LA police?
R51, It's not just LA police that are reluctant to enforce laws that the cult clearly violates. Anyone in government knows that if they speak out or act against the cult, they will be flooded with expensive lawsuits, subjected to non-stop harassment, have their pets and those of their neighbors cruelly killed, etc, etc, etc. They're far, far worse than the Mob.
Rumor is Shelly Miscavige is in "The Hole."
Read the wikipedia link. It's fucking horrifying.
Just googled Urban Dictionary, and then Scientology. Here's the 1st definition; please check out the others online.
See sham, fraud, fake, or any word adjacent to those.
Basically its a falsetto 'religion' in which eternal happiness is attained by donating all of your money to the leaders.
Founded by L. Ron Hubbard as a way to scheme money and make a fast buck off his books. One of the 'holiest' days in this religion is Hubbard's birthday.
Because most celebrites such as Tom Cruise and John Travolta are too stupid to realize it, they belong to this group.
If you even THINK of joining Scientology, you should be kicked in the balls...hard."
I still don't understand why the FBI doesn't raid their compounds...like they did the Mormons. We've all heard terrible things about this cult but never any action taken by law enforcement. I think there would be complaints made by many family members. Obviously LA cops being bought off, per usual. I don't think there is a more corrupt police force in the country.
She's a talent free hack!
R55, Are you aware of the massive amount of guns that "King David" has amassed? How about the ex-Viet Nam vets and former FBI agents that guard Scieno compounds? Do you want another Branch Davidians' style inferno in the international press? Ex-culties say Scieno makes the Mob look like the Boy Scouts.
I don't know who I'd trust, were I in that crazy cult. It certainly wouldn't be the Scieno's hired security cops who are real cops - you make a fair point.
Are the missing people kept locked up? Are they allowed any contact with family outside of the cult? If they could leave and don't, do these missing people think that if they just hang in there for enough years they'll take over the cult after Miscavige's fall?
I've read that people do practice Scientology outside of the official cult. If someone truly believes in it and the "church" is treating them like shit and abusing them, why don't they leave and practice it with other folks who feel the same? I know they keep files of the "confessions" of church members but what might have embarrassed someone years and years ago is actually acceptable now. I mean, they can't all have been Jack the Ripper or some awful/criminal person and very few of them are famous. I don't know, it's just weird.
When I was a kid in the 60's and 70's, a lot of nasty stuff came out about Scientology and the paranoid craziness of the cult. It must have gotten a ton of publicity if even a clueless kid like I was still remembers it. After all these years, it's hard to believe that they've survived and continue to damage and rip-off people who come to them for help.
Scientology is like the cockroach of cultism - it just won't die even when it's filled with poison.
Paul Haggis, then Lisa Presley last year and now Leah Remini. Scientology is losing its stars. There will be no more celebs to go to those obnoxious gatherings at the Celebrity Centre.
R58, Please see my thread on why people don't leave. Remember George Orwell's "1984?" It's far, far worse.
Don't forget that many kids are born into the cult, and don't really really know another way of living. Others are physically detained, behind barbed wire fences, with dogs and armed security. If caught escaping, they're placed in solitary with little food or water; far worse than being in a prison. Early death, especially from untreated cancer, is very common. No one gets adequate medical care, as it's supposedly victims' fault that they got sick.
They're not allowed contact with friends or family members, especially those not in the cult. Forced divorces, restricting mail, phone, and internet use, etc is the norm.
Personally I think that many have lost their will to fight, and can no longer imagine life outside the cult. Others have been brainwashed into submission; most have endured extreme physical violence. Do you know how many have been very seriously and permanently injured for no reason?
I've been reading the Wiki entry for the hole. Here's the explanation as to why there isn't any FBI investigation. There actually was, until a court ruling on the Headly suit. This almost reads as an opening for Sharia law in the U.S. if some upstart mosque decides to impose it on its members.
n 2009, the FBI opened an investigation into potential human trafficking offences by the Church of Scientology, after the accounts of defectors from Gold Base were published. The Tampa Bay Times reported that FBI aerial surveillance of the property showed columns of executives being escorted to and from the Hole. However, no action was taken against the Church. The investigation ground to a halt after a ruling by a U.S. District Court judge in a case concerning Marc and Claire Headley's complaints against the Church over their treatment at Gold Base.
Headley et al. v. Church of Scientology International et al.
In 2009, Marc and Claire Headley sued the Church under the federal Victims of Trafficking and Violence Protection Act of 2000. In response, Church lawyers argued that the First Amendment prohibited the courts from considering "a forced labor claim premised upon ... social and psychological factors", because they concern "the beliefs, the religious upbringing, the religious training, the religious practices, the religious lifestyle restraints of a religious order."
The Church acknowledged that the rules under which the Headleys lived included a ban on having children, censored mail, monitored phone calls, needing permission to have Internet access and being disciplined through manual labor. The U.S. 9th Circuit Court of Appeals noted in a ruling given in July 2012 that Marc Headley had been made to clean human excrement by hand from an aeration pond on the compound with no protective equipment, while Claire Headley was banned from the dining hall for up to eight months in 2002. She lost 30 pounds (14 kg) as a result of subsisting on protein bars and water. In addition, she was coerced into having two abortions to comply with the Sea Org's no-children policy. The Headleys also experienced physical violence from Scientology executives and saw others being treated violently.
However, the court found that the church enjoyed the protection of the free exercise of religion clause in the First Amendment, and that it could use the "ministerial exemptions" in employment law to deflect litigation over its treatment of its members. The judge ruled that the First Amendment disallowed the courts from "examining church operations rooted in religious scripture". Bringing the Church to account for how it disciplined its members was "precisely the type of entanglement that the religion clauses prohibit." However, the 9th Circuit did suggest that other types of claims would withstand appellate review, such as assault, battery or "any of a number of other theories that might have better fit the evidence." The ruling has effectively meant that it is impossible to bring charges against the Church based on claims of 'trafficking in persons.' As one attorney has put it, "Here is a court saying, albeit in a civil situation ... that there is nothing improper with this type of conduct and no ill motive can be imbued to the church." Former US federal prosecutor Michael Seigel says that the ruling "doesn't seem to leave much room for hope of success on a criminal prosecution". The FBI investigation was dropped some time in 2011.
[quote]Early death, especially from untreated cancer, is very common. No one gets adequate medical care, as it's supposedly victims' fault that they got sick.
Heber Jentzsch (I mentioned him above) and Karen De Carrerre's (sp?) son died at 27 from complications of pneumonia. We had a thread about it here. Jentzsch hasn't been seen in nearly a decade and she's a suppressive person so she was not allowed to go to her son's funeral. She has claimed that she's found out he did not receive any antibiotics for the pneumonia and instead took painkillers for his condition. I tend to believe her. Young people just don't drop dead from treatable pneumonia.
R61, Do you remember when Jim Jones was accused of publicly beating church members, while still operating in the US? Also welfare fraud was the norm. Government was reluctant to investigate.
Like the Scienos, many cults have been accused of tolerating pedos and allowing rampant sexual abuse of kids. Also why wouldn't these groups be investigated for violating the law by not properly educating children, and instead forcing them to work extremely long hours, under dangerous conditions for almost no pay.
True, R63, but the government has taken action on some cults. Jonestown was being investigated at the time of the Kool-aid massacre.
They moved in on Koresh, they also (eventually) went after Jeff Whatshisname with the Mormon child bride sister-wives cult.
The polygamous Mormons may be the best analogy for Scienos. They have money and influence in the community. If the government can see its way clear to investigating their crimes, I think they can go after the Scienos too. Eventually.
I'm just hoping that "eventually" is fast approaching but then I don't understand why they didn't go down in the 60's and 70's, so what do I know?
Remember that Texas went after the FLDS compound because there were numerous allegations of child molestation when child brides were expected to marry at 13. Plenty of evidence. I think there were also some allegations of child abandonment of pubertal and post-pubertal boys. They were seen as threats to the sexually exploitive elders.
Forgot to add that the reason given for the raid on David Koresh's cult in Waco was, again, child abuse of some form. Janet Reno basically gave that as the reason for initiating the attack on the compound. It's the one thing that gives authorities some way to cut through the "religious freedom" issues.
I'm really surprised that the Ninth Circuit's ruling was so favorable to CO$. They're the *most* liberal of all the circuit courts, and thus least likely to grant special favor to "religion" claims.
The US government was seen as acting contrary to our foundation of freedom of religion on the world stage, despite very valid reasons for "intruding" on those cults. Don't forget there are far more militarily trained Scienos, and a massive amount of high tech weapons. I'd compare them to the smaller fringe groups who live in bunkers in the Mid West. Wouldn't they love to take out a posse of the US military?
Although child sexual abuse is rampant in the cult, it' difficult to prove. Child Scienos aren't allowed to keep their babies. Forced abortions is more of a moral issue than a legal one.
When you have an unlimited supply of money to buy the best possible legal defense, and a willingness to use whatever means necessary, legal or not, to achieve your goals, it's much more difficult to destroy your cult.
[quote]The US government was seen as acting contrary to our foundation of freedom of religion on the world stage, despite very valid reasons for "intruding" on those cults.
By whom? I can't remember anyone "on the world stage" nor anywhere else who condemned our intervention. The only people who saw it that way were batshit American bunker dwellers who hate our country anyway. Their views aren't relevant to sensible people.
The Scienos may, indeed, be more heavily armed than any of the previous cults that were raided. They have tried hard to mainstream themselves and have had some success with it but that success is not overwhelming or absolute by any means. If people really knew what was going on, the brutal treatment of their members, the exploitation and imprisonment - they'd support government action being taken.
Maybe not. Maybe we'll never interfere with the Scienos. I still have the feeling that Miscavige is losing control and that the cult is fraying at the edges. Perhaps it will unravel without any intervention.
R69, I'm sure that I could find better examples than these screaming headlines of a "Disastrous Raid." I remember at the time that friends in the Mid East questioned Americas' tolerance of religious freedom. Of course IMHO the government was clearly correct in their actions, as they would be if they took down the Scienos. Everything I've read points to their reluctance to intervene.
Yeah, there's a reason why we call it the "Daily Fail" that paper is such a rag.
I am aware that some people bitched about interfering with Koresh but he was a sick fuck and people were being hurt. As I recall it was actually the child abuse that pushed the ATF to go in but they used weapons charges because there wasn't enough hard evidence of child abuse.
Some people bitched about the Mormon polygamists being raided too but they didn't get the screeching guns and ammo bunker-dwellers like Koresh did.
As far as I know, nobody bitched about us investigating Jonestown even though it triggered Jim Jones to slaughter everyone, including the congressional investigators.
As for people in the Middle East who are critical of the actions taken by the American government at Waco or anywhere else - umm, yeah. They don't like Americans or the American government and take any and all opportunities to criticize it. In that regard they are much like our own radical, extremist, America-hating bunker-dwellers.
My point is that when people are being ripped off, physically abused, imprisoned against their will, starved, worked to death and denied medical care, the *vast majority* of Americans will support the government intervening to stop it. Religious or secular, that sort of behavior is repugnant to Americans (as it is to rational people anywhere).
And really, since when do Americans give a fuck what people in other countries think of what we do? I wish we cared a bit more but most Americans simply don't.
We need to send in Seal Team Six - bust out those "missing" people, take all the computers, files, etc., and fuck up the Scienos in a very real and serious way. Obviously, that's just my wishful thinking. If we could send in some local cops and take those poor people out of Scieno-jail, that would at least be a decent start.
R71, I actually completely agree with your post, especially the part about using Seal Team 6. Just have read too many "reasons," such as the ones I've suggested, of why the government is so reluctant to get involved. Who's being paid off? Donations to all sides, including the Clintons, have been rumored.
How much evidence would be needed to verify unregistered high powered weapons? Wright's book definitely talks about this fact. One would think that those in power would be alarmed. Arsenals usually continue to grow, when there's unlimited funds. "King" David now has contacts with MidEast arms dealers too.
[quote]Just wait. Next week she'll be claiming that Sharon Osbourne had her kicked out of the church.
Yeah well Sharon Osbourne is so remarkably scatterbrained, she probably has no idea what Scientology is or that she even remembers she worked with Lea Remini.
[quote]How much evidence would be needed to verify unregistered high powered weapons? Wright's book definitely talks about this fact.
This is something the state of California can go after. All fire arms must be registered and those purchasing have a 10 day waiting period while background checks are performed. If they've come from out of state, weapons need to be registered. Recently, a felon moved into my hometown from out of state with a cache of weapons, including assault weapons, and ammo. I can't recall how they were tipped off, but the police paid a visit and removed every single last one. If someone with knowledge makes a report to the Riverside Cty sheriff, they are obligated to investigate
So she has released a statement. It sounds like quiet confirmation to me. Certainly quiet coming from her:
[quote]Remini released a statement last night, saying: “I wish to share my sincere and heartfelt appreciation for the overwhelming positive response I have received from the media, my colleagues, and fans from around the world. I am truly grateful and thankful for all your support.”
R74, I wouldn't trust anyone in government in CA, let alone Riverside County, to investigate the cult. Too much payola and corruption involved. They'd probably tip off King David and hide the weapons. Anyone who's read Going Clear knows the truth and the future implications. Why hasn't any action been taken? Fear of more lawsuits?
Well this crap has been going on for decades and things have just gotten worse, it seems like they could easily get away with murder and no questions would be ask.
I still want to know about the laws in CA regarding the education of children. Don't they have to pass tests if they're not in public schools? Sure it's not the major problem with the cult, but it's an opening for further legal investigations.
Please read Tony Ortega's latest updates. The cult has registered a blog, obviously intending to smear Leah Remini, and damage her career.
R38, where did you read that Lisa Marie Presley went back to the Church? I have not been able to find any info on that.
This is what the Scientology Celebrity blog says about Lisa Marie:
[quote]Yeah, so these fucking idiots at the celebutard tabloids like to speculate their asses off. Sometimes they get a whiff of something like when Lisa Marie Presley got pissed off at everyone at some idiots at CCI & told them to stop bothering her – that automatically gets interpreted as “Lisa Marie is OUT of Scientology!” & it spreads like a mindfuck meme, which OSA loves. Lisa Marie (who has long been an OT) hasn’t left Scientology, she just hasn’t been active & doesn’t seem to want to be too active. You know, kind of like Neil Gaiman and probably dozens of other disaffected 2nd gen Scilons who want to do their own thing? Disaffected but definitely not disconnected. When a high tier Scientologist like Lisa Marie tells staff to back the fuck off & leave her alone, they’re supposed to listen. They didn’t, she got pissed, her mom also got pissed (at the staff), Dave Petit got pissed (at the staff), so her handlers (staff who work as liaisons to celebs) got knocked down to lower orgs, Dave Petit gets on his hands & knees & begs Lisa Marie & Priscilla for forgiveness, they forgive him, everyone is happy. If and when Lisa Marie blows the cult, she will make sure the world knows it & she will spell it out the way she spelled it out for Dave Petit how CCI staff pissed her off & were suffocating her! In the meantime OSA’s lovin how the tabloids been saying Lisa Marie has “left” again & again since 2009! Every year, you can bet one of ‘em will write that shit like it just happened, like how LRH every year proclaimed “YES WE FINALLY DID IT! NOW WE’VE GOT CLEAR HANDLED!” OSA loves the tabloids. Top UK Scilon Fraser Kee Scott is actually OSA’s main man for funnelling disinfo to UK papers like the Daily Mail & The Sun. There is a small unit out of the HGB that is just dedicated to spilling disinfo to the LA tabloids. The tabloids lap it up like dogs.
Right after her new series got canceled she dumped the $cientos. hmmm
And let's not forget to thank Bill Clinton who got this cult recognized as a tax exempt religion. Before he did that it wasn't a religion, just a bunch of criminal assholes bilking the gullible.
So thanks for that too Billy! And DOMA. And DADT.
That blogger could be lying, you know.
I loved "The King of Queens" but could never stand her, mostly because I knew she was a cult member.
Like the good Catholic I was brought up to be (and she apparently is now), I forgive her.
Will she be smart enough not to be sweet-talked back in like Lisa Marie?
r84 that blogger is not lying, they're in deep in the clam shit, they work for them & WWP/Ortega & all the other anti-clam sites confirm it.
No, LMP & PP are back IN Scientology.
The following is Scienos' reaction to Remini leaving the cult:
". . . almost nonstop damage control since at least Tuesday, when . . . main PR reps to the media started getting swamped by phone calls & getting stopped by Scilons in the halls asking what the fuck is going on. . . the chaplain, shamelessly lying, telling them that everything is fine between the Church & Remini, and that the media are grasping at straws & desperate for a new angle.
. . . all these high level officials & notables have been leaving the cult one after another just about every year since the early 2000s? . . . convincing those Scilons who were wavering in their commitment to Scientology to start demanding refunds/repayments. . . demanding their money back just this week . . .
That Scilon publics at CC Int are actually going out of their way to ask these kinds of questions is very unusual — we haven’t seen or heard this level of questioning in years.
As usual, most staff are being deliberately kept in the dark."
Here's Kirstie Alley's reaction to Remini's departure:
Looks like Kirstie deleted that tweet at R89. But there are numerous tweets praising her new best friend Chenowith.
If only Sofia Milos from CSI: Miami had the guts to leave a cult like Scientology.
LMP may stand for:
La Musique Populaire, an American indiepop band
Lampedusa Airport, an airport in Lampedusa, Italy with IATA code LMP
Larson-Miller Parameter, prediction of the effects of time and temperature on materials
Last Menstrual Period, the first day of the menstrual period prior to conceiving, used to calculate Expected Date of Delivery
Lehet más a politika ("Politics can be different"), a political party in Hungary formed in 2009 from a civilian initiative
Le Mans Prototype, a type of custom-built race car intended for sports car racing and endurance racing
Lemon Meringue Pie, a dessert consisting of lemon curd and meringue fillings in a shortcrust pastry
Licensed Massage Practitioner,
Liga Mexicana del Pacifico, a Mexican winter baseball league
"Like My Post", an invitation for readers to request an action by providing single-click feedback on a social website
LIMB Music Products & Publishing (LMP), an independent record label based in Hamburg, Germany
Link Management Protocol (Bluetooth), a protocol for initiating and controlling the link between bluetooth terminals
Link Management Protocol (Internet), a protocol, defined in RFC 4204 that runs between a pair of nodes and is used to manage traffic engineering (TE) links
Lisa Marie Presley, an American singer-songwriter and daughter of Elvis and Priscilla Presley
Lithium Metal Polymer battery, a type of Lithium-ion polymer battery
Locational Marginal Pricing, also known as nodal pricing, a pricing concept used in some deregulated electricity markets
London Metropolitan Police, also known as the Metropolitan Police Service (MPS), is the police force responsible for law enforcement within Greater London, excluding the City of London
London Mozart Players, a British classical chamber orchestra based in Croydon, England
Lunar Module Pilot, the pilot of Apollo Lunar Module during Apollo program missions
R93, Wtf was that last post all about?
Couldn't figure out "Lisa Marie Presley" despite the numerous mentions, R94.
R89 Kirstie is a fucking old bitch which is why almost nobody likes her.
Has Leah done any TV since she left? Who will she give the first interview to - I imagine she's getting a lot of calls, from the early morning news shows to the late night talkers.
Leah Remini’s Gay Gossip About Tom Cruise Led To Her Leaving Scientology
July 21, 2013 ● by Dan Avery
Perez Hilton spills some T on the Leah Remini’s split with Scientology: Namely it was her questioning of Tom Cruise’s 2006 marriage to Katie Holmes—and head-scratching about Scientology leader David Miscavige joining the newlyweds on their honeymoon—that started the ball rolling.
Apparently, Leah was a little bit “encouraged” to leave, even though she was one of their big celebrity “gets” and was friends with Cruise and former couple Jennifer Lopez and Marc Anthony. Just the suggestion that Cruise and Holmes’ wedding was a sham, and that Cruise was gay, was enough to make the Church declare her a “suppressive person” (essentially someone who won’t drink the Kool-Aid).
Leah’s sister, Nicole Remini, told a Minneapolis radio station that the King of Queens star was also concerned about the disappearance of Miscavige’s wife, Shelly, who she hadn’t seen since 2007. “She’s been curious for years,” Nicole said. “”Where the hell is [Shelly]?’… This is all Leah asked, and this is what it’s turned into?”
Kirstie Alley, who tweeted that she “experience[d] the loss of the person I thought was my friend” shortly before Remini’s departure, has allegedly worked to get the actress “disconnected” from other Scientologist friends. “Kirstie organized a gathering of people at Melinda [Brownstone]‘s house and was tweeting about it,” said Nicole. “What kind of bully does that… When you’re saying it’s either Leah or us, there’s no integrity in that.”
Paul Haggis support letter to Remini.
[italic]I didn’t say anything at the time for a number of reasons. I am in Europe and have been working here for the last year and a half, and, disregarding a few friendly e-mails and a couple of tweets, Leah and I haven’t spoken in quite a while. What I knew about Leah is that she was one of two Scientologists who had refused to “disconnect” from me and certainly the only high-profile one when I decided to quit the organization in August 2009. I also thought any comment would be premature and self-serving.
Leah and I were always friendly but never close friends. Despite this, she called me as soon as she heard about my letter of resignation. Unlike the rest of my former friends, she expressed real sadness that I was leaving and concern for me and my family. A few months later, we ran into each other at a school fair. I kept my distance for fear of putting her in an awkward position, but Leah had no such fear. She walked up, asked me why I was being weird and told me she would always be my friend and would never “disconnect” from me. Then she dragged me over and introduced me to her family. Soon after that, I moved to New York, and our paths just didn’t cross, but I was deeply touched by her gesture and genuine concern.
So all I could have said at the time was that, whether it was true Leah had resigned, she had always been a class act and a lovely human being -- but that wasn’t news. Millions of people know that; her character shines through everything she does.
In the last few days, I read some things that really disturbed me. First was the way Leah was being attacked by her celebrity “friends,” who were disparaging her character. [Editor’s note: After actress Kirstie Alley tweeted “the sweetest poison is often served with a smile,” it was widely interpreted as referring to Remini. Alley vigorously has denied that and says she does not criticize anyone’s religious beliefs.] Having witnessed Scientology’s smear tactics, I can imagine how this was being orchestrated, but I was still shocked to see how quickly those friends -- some of whom had known Leah for 20 or 30 years -- jumped on the “malign Leah” campaign, and with such apparent glee. I assumed Scientology’s next step would be to try and plant disparaging stories about her with less-informed journalists and bloggers. And if others who have made noisy exits from the church are to be believed, Scientology would also use their Office of Special Affairs employees to attack Leah indirectly, posting negative comments about her shows and career and abilities under myriad false names, pretending to be disappointed fans or whatever. None of that is new.
What was new to me was the report that Leah had run afoul of the church by challenging Scientology’s leader, David Miscavige, who is held to be infallible. When I was leaving and was visited by waves of angry friends and a phalange of top Scientology executives, trying to convince me to tear up my letter and resign quietly, I made a similar mistake by insisting they look into the charges of abuse detailed by the Tampa Bay Times. I was working on a film about Martin Luther King Jr. at that moment and made the polite suggestion that even great leaders like Dr. King were human and fallible. Two of the senior church leaders leapt to their feet and shouted at me, “How dare you compare a great man like David Miscavige to Martin Luther King!” I ended the meeting at that point, thanking them for coming.
According to what I read on Tony Ortega’s blog, at the 2006 wedding of Tom Cruise and Katie Holmes, Leah asked questions about her longtime friend Shelly, David Miscavige’s wife, who had suddenly disappeared. [Editor’s note: An attorney for Shelly Miscavige told Us Weekly in 2012: “She is not missing. Any reports that she is missing are false. Mrs. Miscavige has been working nonstop in the church, as she always has.”] Unlike her pious friends, Leah refused to accept the easy excuses that were offered. She kept asking questions.[/italic]
[italic]The next thing I learned made me feel terrible. Leah got in trouble because of me, because when I was “declared” a “Suppressive Person” and shunned, she came to my defense -- without me ever knowing it.
She had shouting matches with Tommy Davis, then the church spokesman, who had come to try and keep her quiet. The fact that she fought within the system so resolutely for so long, never making her feelings public, is a testament to how much she believed in the basic goodness of her friends and the institution. Finally, according to what I read, she was turned in by a celebrity friend who had noticed one of our few innocuous tweets.
I can’t express how much I admire Leah. Her parents, family and close friends were almost all Scientologists; the stakes for her were so much higher than for me. Her decision to leave was so much braver.
Having been consumed with my movie, I only learned much of what I have written here in the last few days. I also have to confess to not paying that much attention to news about Scientology. In this case, I should have. I finally called Leah during the last week of July. Her answering service didn’t recognize my number, so it took a while to get through. It was good to hear her voice and great to hear her laugh -- though it was easy to tell she had been terribly hurt and shaken by the events of the last weeks. That said, Leah is an incredibly strong woman and will get through this with the help of her family and her true friends. She is kind and generous and loyal; she has always cared more about others than herself. She barely knew me, and yet she fought for me and my family, a battle she had to know in her gut she was never going to win. That takes an enormous amount of integrity and compassion. I will leave it to you to decide if the same can be said of Scientology’s executives and Leah’s many former friends -- especially those Scientologists who are watching her be smeared now and are choosing to stay silent.
I will forever be grateful to her.[/italic]
R83, Just read this comment on The Hollywood Reporter article. Whom does it really refer to?
Scieno has dirt on somebody very high in the US government, and the US government won't dare upset Scieno. That's why the FBI looks the other way regarding all things Scieno, including missing persons.