Perhaps one of the actors I hate the most. He's a total douchebag I hear from my friends who've worked with him.
He may be a douchebag, but he's a great actor. My favorite of his films was A Walk on the Moon.
I've heard the same, but maybe that's why I kind of liked it - he plays a total douche bag, and it fits . Think It has potential. The Jon Voight character looks
like a good enemy for Schriber.
He's a sexy man. Plus I love that his nickname is "Huggy."
Great show. Just watched the pilot. Those evil Catholics. Irish Sopranos. Priest/altar boy relations and consequences.
This Ray Donovan series is GOOD.
He even LOOKS like a douchebag r1
Loved the Chicks with Dicks subplot.
Think there will be a lot of "loosely based on actual events" intrigue.
It worked for YEARS on Law & Order, no doubt there is FAR more
such material in LA. I WILL be watching.
Especially since he dyed that pervey stalker green!
Why is he so hateful and douchey?
How appropriate to have Austin Nichols in that plotline.
It KILLS me that Jon Voight is so good in this.
Liev Schreiber is an absolute black hole as an actor. Too lightweight. No substance, no gravitas. Totally wrong for a role like this. There's a reason he's not a star.
I agree that Jon Voight is excellent in this.
[quote]he dyed that pervy stalker green
Yeah, where did that come from?
R11, that is such an...other than astute comment. I could not agree with you LESS. Liev is terrific.
I think Liev Schreiber is very good in the role. Strong, silent and imposing. That's the character in a nutshell. Why is Ray Donovan such an asshole? Have you noticed that his father is clearly a douchebag?
Jon Voight is excellent, btw...damn it.
I won't watch it because I detest Jon Voight that much. He's repulsive.
This is similar to the Courtney Cox vehicle "Dirt" in the way that it appropriates the real personal lives of HW types into the plot. It's nicely done. Of course, the person Ray is based on has one of the worst reputations ever.
It is hard to watch Jon Voight, R16. True.
The second episode continued the wonderfulness of this new show.
R17, I thought of "Dirt" also when watching RD. Who is the Ray Donovan character supposed to be based on?
The first four episodes of this were all very good. The third episode in particular I loved. Can't wait to see the rest of the series now.
RE 17 Is the person he's based on that sleeze ( who's in prison), Anthony Pelicano? If not , who ?
You got it, r22. I will try and mark out who the characters are supposed to be as the season progresses. I invite others to join me in making the Roman à clef.
There is some amalgamation going on with the movie star character, naturally he can't be based on only one guy.
r21 but haven't there only been four episodes aired thus far? :O
R24 Hence R21's tag "Showtime Spy."
R24, there've only been two episodes aired so far.
I saw the pilot through Showtime On Demand. It was so goddamned slow and dull that I had no problem writing this off. And given the fact that piece of shit Jon Voight is a series regular, [italic]Ray Donovan[/italic] deserves to fail.
I can't stand that Schriber guy. Mediocre actor, who spends most of his time mumbling. Plus he's so fuckin ugly he's hard to look at.
R27, what are some of your TV favorites?
So is the son gay or what?
Want to like it but much of the first two episodes were too pat or far-fetched. Could use a touch of subtlety.
It looks as if we're going to find out, R30.
They're setting him up with the Austin Nichols character, right? What that says about Nichols's character is actually kind of gross: He's gay! He's into transexuals! He likes little boys!
I'm trying to like it, but I despise Voight, and that's making it difficult.
The Hollywood Fixer part is interesting, but I'm already bored by brothers and their endless problems. That reminds me of all the freaks back on the compound in Big Love, and I don't see where it's going to go anywhere.
When he gets the fax about the dead priest at the end of the last episode, was that smile a "glad to see he got what was coming to him" smile, or a "now I've got something on Dad" smile?
I don't know. It's well done. But yet another cable show with "edge" or it's "dark" or whatever you want to call it. Schreiber is a good actor but hardly conventionally attractive--and that's a plus for me. I guess it's better than Boardwalk Empire. But geez, you watch enough of these cable shows and you feel like jumping out a window.
Interesting, R35, comparing it to Boardwalk Empire. I couldn't sit through two episodes of that, but I am loving Ray Donovan.
R34, I'm not sure what that smile meant either. It's not clear from Ray's flashbacks whether he, too, was molested by a priest.
R33, yeah, I think Tommy and Conor are going to be some sort of a thing, though I'm not sure how far they'll let it go. Conor may not let Tommy into his pants, even as cool as Conor thinks -- any boy would think -- Tommy is.
I guess celebrities hold sway over us the way the Catholic Church did, is the point of this storyline. Because of Ray's powerful position, when his son's molestation happens -- and I guess it "happens in families" -- it will be at the hands of a Tom Cruise-like figure. They even named him "Tommy."
[quote]it will be at the hands of a Tom Cruise-like figure. They even named him "Tommy.
Oh, never made that connection, good call. What's great is that Cruise's people certainly did make the connection, and you know it's driving them crazy.
I think Liev Schreiber's best performance is as a cross-dresser in "Mixed Nuts." Seriously. It was the first time I'd ever seen him and it's the role with which I immediately identify him.
So the storyline about the actor getting busted for picking up a transvestite is CLEARLY based on Eddie Murphy. Ray Donovan is Paul Barresi.
Only instead of throwing the tranny out the window, Ray gives him/her money for his operation. Ray is Paul Barresi with with heart of GOLD.
R39 - Paul Barresi?? You are out of your mind.
I am so loving Ray Donovan. He is slick, sexy and tough. I too loved him In one of my favorite films Walk on the Moon.
I'm not out of my mind. Read the account of PB's involvement in the Eddie Murphy scandal. I'm not saying Donovan is BASED on him, but in that situation he is the Barrisi.
I loved Walk on the Moon, too, R41. Liev as a red hot Jewboy in 1969: what's not to love?
Another good episode.
I LOVE this show.
Bunchy lied about getting molested. You can figure out the rest.
I loathe Jon Voight, too, but he's quite good in this. Joe Buck is brilliant at playing sleazeballs.
Didn't think I'd like the show, but I like it more after every episode. Ray Donovan is not the greatest actor, but is hot, and that sort of evens it out for me. I've never liked Jon Voight, but must admit he's great at playing a bastard. I think the son is gay, or at least is leaning that way.
[quote]I think Liev Schreiber's best performance is as a cross-dresser in "Mixed Nuts."
He was also good as a cross-dresser in "Taking Woodstock."
That smile on his face as he watched the poster on the side of the bus of that actor in rehab - along with Mickey asking him if he were gay when they were shopping pretty much said it all.
I really like this show
Holy shit. If true, it all makes sense why Bunchy is all weird about the settlement money and uncomfortable in that group of guys who actually *did* get molested.
The best thing about the show is Paula Malcolmson.
Enough with the shrew wife already! I cannot believe there is one single person watching this show who doesn’t want to see much, much less of her storyline.
Or, at least, I believed that until I read this:
[quote]The best thing about the show is Paula Malcolmson.
I think she's the worst thing about the show, although the fugly daughter and Voight's obnoxious character are close. Voight's character needs to be a LOT more interesting for me to think it's worthwhile putting up with his vile presence on screen.
I can't say I found this week's episode all that gripping. I'm all for slow burns, but they need to just come out and tell us what's going on with Elliot Gould. I'm dangerously close to hitting the FF button every time he appears.
With the exception of Elliot Gould and Peter Jacobsen I have yet to find a likable character. I only watch it because I can't find anything else to watch.
R54, I just love Paula. I think she's the most underrated actress around.
Can I have a falafel with hot sauce, a side order of Baba Ghanoush and a seltzer, please?
It's been renewed for season 2. I hope Austin Nichols is in it more.
Original music is A+
How gay is Liev?
He is like the ultimate bear. Any chance that he and Naomi Watts are both bi?
R53 = her PR or her agent.
Just watched the latest episode on demand. I hate her character, she is unwatchable esp without make-up. her voice is annoying as fuck.
I hope Ray divorces her.
WHO THE FUCK WANTS TO SEE JON VOIGHT FUCKING ON SCREEN???? eeeewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww!!!
Big ol Mary at R63. Get a grip.
Lots of homosexuality on this show.
[quote]Lots of homosexuality on this show.
It would be better if they have Tommy Wheeler as a regular.
The wife character is too much like Carmela Soprano, they need to give her something to do.
I liked when the son Connor, donked that little shithead son of the creepy guy.
John V's character is growing on me. The scenes with Bunchy and his brother at the pool were funny and also when Bunchy pulled the stolen cognac from his pants at the restaurant.
The FBI agent is weird, I loved seeing Mickey (J.Voight) dancing and drugging at the Buggy Whip.
Just found this show. Pretty good so far!
FYI, for anyone watching ORANGE IS THE NEW BLACK on Netflix, Liev's half-brother, Pablo plays the creepy, evil guard aptly nicknamed 'Pornstache'
Last night's episode was great (7/28/13) . Lots going on . The Elliott Gould car hit, handcuffed in the bathroom, Donavan's kid getting drunk, and vomiting on the rapper's watches, and the poor sap, Terry , finding out his new girlfriend is married. It's picking up, and I'm loving it.
Exactly right, R70. LOTS of story lines. A lot to follow. Do we know yet what Elliot Gould and Peter Jacobson actually do? Lawyers? Still confusing things.
Forgot about the wanna be rapper's mother being killed. A lot in that show.
I thought he vomited on his dad's watches.
I agree, R73. They were in their own home, which seemed rather foolish because I don't think their mom or Ray would take kindly to finding them drunk, smoking pot, and making out with the little rapper neighbor.
does Liev Schreiber have much hair in his anus?
I used to love the show "Dirt" but "Ray Donovan" is a much better show. And I'm so happy to see my girl Katherine Moennig again - she's hot as ever! Hope they expand her role.
Would someone please explain to me what is likeable about this show. I keep watching it because there is nothing else on but with the exception of Jon Voight's character, I these characters are terrible.
Ray's an asshole, his wife is a Carmen Soprano wannabe, the kids are OK but nothing special and Ray's brothers are dirtbags. Usually when the characters are this dark you can find a redeeming quality in them.
Eliot Gould and Peter Jacobsen are good but not on long enough. So what is it?
I think Francis getting paid by Ray to date and have sex with Terry.
[quote]And I'm so happy to see my girl Katherine Moennig again - she's hot as ever!
Who does she play here?
[quote]Ray's an asshole, his wife is a Carmen Soprano wannabe, the kids are OK but nothing special and Ray's brothers are dirtbags. Usually when the characters are this dark you can find a redeeming quality in them.
You know R77, they have channels now that only have shows like The Brady Bunch, Happy Days, The Golden Girls, etc. You might like that!
[quote]Who does she play here?
Lena, Ray's assistant.
Last week's episode ended with Voight at a gay club dancing and doing poppers. Couldn't figure out how that related to the plot.
R80, I get that this is a dark drama but usually there is some heart in these characters-something that makes you like them even though they do terrible things.I'm trying to like this show but it's hard.
BTW, I think the best scene so far was Jon Voight in the gay bar. He seems to be the only one with personality.
Terry is one of the few characters I truly care about (Eddie Marsan is just genius in whatever he does), so my heart broke for him when he showed up at her house. You just knew he was going to go there and of course find out she has some sort of "secret" after being evasive about seeing him that night "Can I see you tonight?" "Maybe".
He is so painfully shy and emotionally wounded he probably hasn't had sex or a date with a woman in years. She pursued him. She obviously gets out of the house. She seems to be jealous of the dead girlfriend/wife. She knows he has her cellphone and work numbers. Maybe she's not really married, or there is some type of explanation for this.
How could a nurse who is (supposedly) educated and seems like a nice and kind person not know you don't screw with the head of a really shy guy,a BOXER with Parkinson's (who could still beat someone to a pulp) , who tattooed a woman's name on his body because she meant something important to him? It's obvious he doesn't have money so what would be in this for her other than really liking him?
Hopefully this turns out to be a terrible mistake. Otherwise, there's not really another truly sympathetic character to root for. If Frances is toying with him,(or a hooker paid for by Ray--I doubt it) then he will either explode after years of mental and physical pain and hurt her, or else he will go back in his shell and never come out again.
It's called complicated characters people - and it's what many of us are in real life. That's why the show is so interesting, and will unfortunately not run that long, because mass audiences (at least here , in the US) like everything spelled out for them, and don't get nuance, or subtlety.
True R85, But because it is on Showtime, it has a shot. Thankfully, for people who actually like great story lines and complicated characters, there are channels like HBO, Showtime and FX and A&E.
There are alot of good shows on cable with complicated characters. I just don't think this is one of them
[quote]There are alot of good shows on cable with complicated characters. I just don't think this is one of them
Agreed. I really had hopes for this. It started out promisingly, but more and more it feels like an imitation of a top-shelf cable show. There's just something missing from its core. There's no undercurrent to pull you through, just lots of cool surface details.
R88 nailed it.
[quote]R88] nailed it.
LOL, because they agreed with you.
I just started watching. I love it and I have always respected Schreiber as an actor but he's the male equivalent of a buttaface. Great bod but he looks like a lipless chipmunk.
A relative of mine met him in NY. She posted pics of her with him and said he was really nice. Maybe he's a dick to crew but he's nice to his fans and that's pretty cool.
I also want to like this show mostly because of Schreiber, There really is no depth to the stories and characters.
What was the point of Mickey going to the gay bar? Is he bisexual?
[quote]What was the point of Mickey going to the gay bar? Is he bisexual?
No, it's just the writers being "edgy" and "outrageous".
Well, he did give that little speech to his grandson about how getting your dick sucked by another guy doesn't make you a fag--a mouth's a mouth, he said. He was probably getting nostalgic for some of the kind of man-sucking he got in prison.
[quote] Agreed. I really had hopes for this. It started out promisingly, but more and more it feels like an imitation of a top-shelf cable show. There's just something missing from its core. There's no undercurrent to pull you through, just lots of cool surface details.
I agree. I've recently started watching it on demand and I really wanted to like it. But it doesn't make sense in so many ways. A clued-in guy like Ray would know that his fathers getting out 5 years early and showing up in LA immediately after release means someone wants him to inform. I mean, ever heard of parole? You don't just get released 5 years early and get on the next plan to CA.
The brothers don't interest me. I can't see how anyone would be sexually or otherwise interested in the mute, morose, Parkinsonian Terry, even if she was once held in a cellar by Jame Gumb and told to put the lotion on her skin.
I couldn't tell the different between the stalker and the guy who was banging the blonde chick.
I have to read recaps of episodes to find out what's going on. I guess my mind wanders. I didn't know who the black guy was who was staple-gunned.
It's Mystic River in LA but it doesn't work. It's all plot and no heart.
You're all nuts and have been watching too many Real Housewives shit on Bravo.
This is a really good show.
Won't be watching tonight. Showtime blocked courtesy Time Warner Cable.
I wanted to like this show but it's not as great as I thought it would be.
I won't be watching it tonight thanks to TWC but I won't miss it.
Yet another person here who really wanted to like this show, but just hasn't been impressed.
For me, the biggest problem is too much boring family shit (seriously, I don't give a fuck about any of them), not remotely enough Hollywood fixing.
Exactly R100. If you're going to do all that boring Irish American Boston shit then why bother setting the show in LA? It's like "We're doing a gritty tv show version of Mystic River but we know we can't get away with it so we'll thrown in a bit of Hollywood glitz."
I already saw Mystic River and The Departed.
I'm not interested in the -down-on-his-luck-boxer-brother. This isn't 1956 and we're not on the waterfront. I don't care about the pretend-abused-by-a-priest-brother or the OMG-I-have-a-black-brother or the -dead-sister-who-will-be-shown-in-flashbacks-and-was-probably-pushed-off-the-roof.
And can nobody find Irish American actors? Even an Affleck or a Wahlberg would do. Can you imagine Tony and Janice Soprano being played by Jewish actors of Eastern European descent? Come on. My best friend has an enormously talented nephew who is Irish American who could slide right into one of the show's roles. It's not as if they don't exist. Hollywood used to be full of Irish American actors. Even the wife isn't Irish American, she's an Irish actress (which is totally not the same as Irish Anerican).
Yeah, I know actors of different backgrounds can play characters, but again, take a look at the Sopranos. The fact that the show's creator and the actors are almost all Italian gave it real heart and cred. I grew up around northeastern Italian Americans and the Sopranos nailed it. Not the criminal aspect of it -- the family aspect, the food, the heart of it.
This show has no heart because it's a bunch of people who aren't Irish American writing a show about Boston Irish Americans played by people who aren't Irish American. There's not a speck of authenticity. Then they plop it down in LA. It's a mish mosh. It wants to be gritty, glitzy, modern, nostalgic. It doesn't work.
I wish it did.
yeah, R101, I agree. They should get rid of the wife, she's really annoying. Ray should divorce the wife and hook up with all the hollyweird actresses, musicans etc. The show will be more interesting that way.
Please don't make us watch sex scenes with Jon Voight. Nobody wants to see that!
Theyre trying to do a "he's a family man, but he's a criminal. How will he balance the two lives?" a la Tony Soprano. But nobody's interested. He's in Hollywoof, for Christ's sake, not north jersey. Show us how the underside of Hollywood works, not how the underside of Hollywood works when a family man tries to balance two lives. Hollywood overshadows the petty criminal background and dysfunctionality of this loser family. Get on with it.
So now this thread is basically just a circle jerk of how much a few of you hate the show.
I've only seen three or four eps and I'm not sure if the wife knows what he does for a living and I don't really care.
As opposed to a circle jerk of those praising the show.
I don't hate the show and I'm still watching but I have to agree with R101. and R103. I'm trying, but I find the show difficult to follow and boring at times. I am capable of following complex plots and characters but this show just doesn't grab me. I agree with the previous poster who said that Micky Donovan is the most (only?) interesting character on the show. The wife is awful and annoying. The brothers are boring. I would like to see more of the Hollywood angle and less of the Boston/Irish/gangster angle.
Not even Ray Donovan could fix this steaming pile of shit.
James Woods laying in bed with a woman his own age. Now I've seen everything.
I've never met anyone outside of Boston who has a heavy Boston accent. When people from Boston move elsewhere, they become acutely aware of their Boston accents because everyone keeps remarking upon it.
"Did you just say cahhh for car? OMG!"
They quickly adopt a less region-specific way of talking, except for the older generations of Kennedys.
So the wife's crazy annoying Boston accent is just stupid. It's exaggerated to begin with and she would have toned it down in LA.
I've watched 3.5 episodes and these Irish Anerican boys have never mentioned their mother? That's soooo not Irish-American.
Maybe they should call Ed Burns in as a writer.
yeah, totally not realistic, have they even uttered "wicked" every other sentence yet? I don't recall....
Ray's dad was in prison for 20 years. That means he went into prison in 1993. But he acts like he's been in a coma since 1973. Same with Ray's brothers. They're straight out of a Rocky movie. The gym, the house the brother buys both look like time capsules and both brothers dress and act like mopes brought into the hoosegow on an episode of Barney Miller.
The boxer brother never heard of the Internet to check and see if Jame Gumb's kidnapee is married? Come on. Eighty year olds have iPhones now. This show is time traveling between the present and 40 years ago.
And an FBI agent wouldn't know he's been drugged? Come on. As soon as his desk turned into water he'd know he be trippin and somebody slipped him something. And didn't he have photos of Avi in his basement? He didn't recognize him asking for napkins? And the FBI guy just happens to eat at a counter in a diner every morning and a seat just happened to be available next to him so he could be drugged?
Jon Voigt walks into a bank and demands they cash a 1.4M check on his word that it's real and tells them to hand his son $200? Like he's never been in a bank before and doesn't know how they work? What is he, Balky from Perfect Strangers? Mork from Ork?
This show is too unbelievable.
But that monkey was awesome.
It's obvious Ray was raped by Mickey
Why else would he be so mad at Mickey? The whole vibe of the show is about male rape.
I am always amused by Mickey and Bunchy. I can't stand the wife or daughter. I don't think they should have messed with the Armenians.
I like the hot daddy bear FBI agent.
Good episode this week. Did anyone watch?
No, because of fucking Cunt Broadcasting Service.
I don't miss it really. But I miss dexter a lot.
I tried to watch this show, but it was too gross-stupid.
I'm with R100. Based on the pilot I thought this was going to be a show focused on Ray's job as a Hollywood fixer. The most interesting parts were about Austin Nichols' closeted actor, the athlete with the dead hooker, and the singer with the stalker. But subsequent episodes put all the focus onto Ray's family. Personally, I could not possibly care less about watching a damaged boxer or guy who was molested by a priest. (And, seriously, wtf kind of name is Bunchy? Only on TV.) I also have no fucking clue what the point of Elliott Gould's character was. And I have no idea why Katherine Moennig even exists on this show.
They should really get rid of Ray's wife, get a divorce or something, she is unwatchable.
[quote]But I miss dexter a lot.
You aren't missing anything.
How many more episodes are there for this season?
Jon Voight gets better every week.
Loving it still.
I don't get all the negative remarks regarding this show here. Is everyone that programmed to expect such story lines to not like this new approach?
[quote]I don't get all the negative remarks regarding this show here.
Me either. I think some people just like to complain, R128.
I think it has gotten better with each episode. Voight's character is a creepy fucker.. damn. The last episode gave me chills. Great stuff.
Wow! Getting caught up and this last episode was right up there with some of the best TV ever (Priest storyline). Again, wow!!
yes, it got more exciting. but I still hate the wife. Pls let her divorce him and take the kids.
Poor Ray, he was abused too...
I liked the show to start and ended the season loving it. The relationship between Ray and his (super creepy) father is very complex and fucked up. Same with his brothers. The whole thing just came together so well. James Woods was pretty exemplary too.
Showtime has a lot riding on this show.
Which doesn't necessarily mean there will be a Season 2.
I agree with the poster who said the Hollywood fixer storylines are more interesting but I think the show is pretty good anyway . They definitely need to show more background on Ezra or kill him off . Ray's wife is annoying I guess they want her to be.
I want to see more cover ups and Hollywood but like the Voight storyline and his performance is peerless.
I thought it had already been renewed, R134. No?
R135, they are slowly revealing Ezra's backstory. Are you always this impatient? I think it's moving in perfect time.
Also, R134, Austin Nichols tweeted yesterday:
[quote]RAY DONOVAN ended its season ranked as the highest-rated freshman series in SHOWTIME history, outpacing Homeland season one by 33%.
My favorite new show for sure. I love Bunchie. I just want to snuggle with him. Voight is quite good too. But I have to agree, its like he stepped out of 1973 and not 1993 when he would have gone to prison.
Didn't care for the story line about the daughter and the young rapper. Ray should have shot the kid or thrown him off a bridge.
The son was showing some skin in the last episode. He's a burgeoning twink.
Great season finale episode. Looking forward to next season.
I just finished watching the season finale. It surprises me that Ray would have named his son "Conor," given what happened with Father O'Connor. I know, I know. They're not the same name, but the sound is close enough, it's not a name I'd've given my son.
Cute guy, that Devin Bagby.
I LOVE this show. Don't get all the hate here. Typical DL bitchy queens I guess.
There's nothing these cunts love more than to hate, R142.