I've had fungus toenails for about 13 years. I addressed the problem with my PCP ten years ago and he wouldn't give me Lamisil because it's bad for your liver. We agreed to try home remedies instead, but nothing has worked. My feets is nasty!
Have any of you zapped your toenail fungus with a laser? How effective was the treatment and was it expensive? Did insurance pay or is this considered cosmetic? If you respond, please note the state in which you live. Thanks!
This not covered by insurance. There isn't even a code to bill for it.
We have one in our office...yes it is effective...may take more than one treatment.
Ten toes $895.00. Second treatment free.
Only use Pin Pointe Laser....that is the only effective laser.
[quote]he wouldn't give me Lamisil because it's bad for your liver.
I honestly don't understand putting a product like this out on the market when the cure leads something far worse than the problem itself.
You can have the fungus-sy toenails removed and let them grow back fungus-free.
I had it done on one toe that was infected. The first time didn't work so they did it again for free and it still didn't work. I wouldn't rule it out, though. Apparently it's about 70% effective.
R3, I have yanked my toenails completely out and they still grew back thick and yellow.
I tried a magnifying glass the other day, will let you know how it goes. It'll take a while...
"You can have the fungus-sy toenails removed"
That sounds like fucking torture.
I've had one toe on each foot with fungus for about 4 years and I hate it. I've tried various creams, vinegar, filing the nails down really low and then adding the creams, I think I tried Lamisil and it didn't work. I thought about putting ammonia on it since that is really strong but it seems too dangerous. I might have to try the laser when I get more money but I don't want to pay $450 per toe.
Anyone tried vinegar?
There really is only one, sure-fire, guaranteed solution and that my friend is called ... amputation.
Use nail polish. No one will know.
My doctor prescribed a topical solution of Lamisil. It was worthless. Then I tried regular Lamisil, still nothing. Someone told me that Vicks Vapo-Rub works, but I never tried it. One of my big toenails got a really yellow, thick nail on it and it eventually broke off. The new nail is fungus-free, but I still have a bit on some of the other nails.
A second for vicks vapor rub. My boyfriend is seeing pretty amamazing results with it.
My two big toe nails have had fungus infections my entire life. I've had four rounds of the laser treatments and while my condition has mildly improved, in no way would I call myself cured.
In addition to the laser I've tried Formula-3 tolnaftate and econazole nitrate creams, both to no avail.
A friend swears by the econazole nitrate in conjunction with a skin softener.
I tried vinegar and also Vicks and they seem to lessen the whiteness but never cures it.
The big toes on each of my feet were thick, yellow, fungusy and gross. My mom kept telling me to use Vicks Vapo Rub, but I thought it was just one of those old wives tales.My doctor put me on Lamisil (this was when it first came out and doctors weren't aware how bad it could be for some people) it worked really well till I got sick and ended up in the hospital. When i got out I started using Vicks and my toe nails eventually started looking good (took about 3 weeks)I kept it up for about a month after my toes looked good and haven't had any trouble since then. If you do use Vicks make sure you use a lot, massage it into the toenail and skin arround it and wear white socks to bed.
Lamisil worked for me. It's very expensive, so go to an online Canadian pharmacy.
OP, try Tea Tree oil. There are various methods for topical application. There is also Tea Tree soap (Castile soap). You may want to try that in the shower.
RE: Vicks VapoRub
My mother's podiatrist made this recommendation for one troublesome toe. I believe it's the Eucalyptus oil that helps with fungal issues.
Again, the Eucalyptus oil can be purchased separately. I find it much more aromatically pleasant than the nasal-numbing Vicks.
OP - This isn't meant to be a cunty response. Do you drink a lot??
Lamisil has actually been generic for awhile now. You will need to take it for several months and not drink the entire time. I was on it for at least six months for a different reason. They will do blood tests occasionally to make sure you are not having adverse side effects.
I have had a fungus-infected big toe for about ten years now. The topical treatment my dermatologist prescribed almost worked, but did not get rid of the fungus around the sides of the nail. I tried Lamisil in pill form and had to get off of it after a few days because the side effects were so awful. (It felt like liver and kidney rebellion.)
I'm willing to give the Vicks a try.
Have any of you tried Zetaclear? Curious to hear if it works or not.
I took generic Lamasil in pill form for 3 months, liver function tests after 4 weeks, no problem. Nails all clear after about 6 months. (The affected nail has to grow out.) No recurrence.
Lamisil (oral) was the only thing that cured my onychomycosis - had it on several toes for several years after a vacation overseas, using a gym shower barefoot. Did all the usual - vinegar, vics, bleach, etc. I didn't want to go the lamisil route because of the liver fears previously discussed... in the end I ordered it online because I didn't have insurance and didn't want to pay for the dermatologist, the blood/liver tests, plus the American cost for the meds. I would suggest that, if you have worries about liver problems, make sure to supplement with milk thistle at the same time. Maybe also NAC. One thing, which was a really big deal at the time: I went into a soul-wrenching, agonizing existential depression for about 2-3 days during the first week, where I experienced a kind of intense loneliness that I hadn't felt since I was 15 and my first relationship broke up. It was horrible. (I think the listed side effects call this "malaise."). Eventually I adapted and it went away and now, two years later, still free of fungus. One funny thing: I did a previous course of lamisil back in my early twenties, during which I also had an intense depression which led me to see a therapist for several months. I now think that it was probably the medication, or at least in part. Still, he was an awesome therapist.
My partner has them. He went through laser treatment, I think three times over a year. They grew back clean, but after about a year, they were back to where they started.
Vicks covered by a band aid works great.
I used this a few years back and the two affected nails are still free of fungus. It
actually smells good and doesn't rot your liver. It took about 4 months but that's due to toenails growing so slowly.
See a podiatrist if you want to get Lamisil. He will order a blood test to monitor your liver function. Lamisil is available as a generic now.
I took Terbinifine for a year a few years back, as that is how long a nail takes to regrow. Any less and the fungus can come back. Once the nail is noticeably yellow or thicker than normal it is too late for OTC topical solutions to work.
My doctor didn't mention liver damage but said if I had a bad reaction to the tablets that there were a couple of other alternatives I could try. I didn't have even the slightest reaction to the pills. A general blood test when I moved town and switched doctors did not indicate any problems anywhere, so I suppose my liver is still functioning ok.
My nails are clear but I can still get the odd mild case of athlete's foot, which clears up on its own.
Am I just unlucky -- my toenails are curving markedly over the past few years. Anyone else experience this?
They are now impossible to cut using clippers because of the advanced curve -- I have to Dremel them.
Curving nails is an iron deficiency, r28. Nail fungus is caused by immorality and Satan.
Lotrimin or its generic form, available in any drugstore.
It's always worked for me but my yellowing was not severe.
OP, tea tree essential oil. Brush it on with a Q-tip nightly. It takes a few months but it works well.
Diflucan is another one you can use, but you have to have your blood monitored.
It takes longer than lamisil though.
I am trying to get a prescription for this but my blood tests did not fall within the acceptable levels.
I may try the Vicks option.
oh Liz Lemon, Carol never understood your foot condition did he?
Who was Carol, R34?
I just read somewhere that taking olive leaf extract helps with the fungus
I didn't realize how persistent this problem can be for some people. I've known people who've gone the removal route and the prescription route, and both worked for them.
For troublesome cases, wouldn't removal and topical treatments while the new nail is growing out be the way to go, for those concerned about Lamisil? And isn't plenty of circulating air around the feet (removing socks and stockings as much as possible and wearing open-toed or "breathable" shoes a big help?
Too bad you can't take Lamisil. I had one course, about 15 years ago, and my toenails are pretty.
The Lamisil generic equivalent costs $4.00 (yes four dollars) at Walmart. I've been on it for two months and showing improvement.
Look it up in the internets.
Lamisil is toxic
Have heard soaking your tootsies in full-strength original Listerine works well. Also, oil of wild oregano is a wonderful anti-bacterial and more importantly ANTI-FUNGAL agent. So what if your toes smell like a pizzeria? It's gotta be better than using those organ-destroying pharmaceuticals.
I apply to each toenail with a cotton ball.
It keeps them clear white and a nice color.
Onychomycosis is a systemic disease that must be treated systemically. That is you have to go through the body's system - topical treatments cannot get at the root problem.
Lamisil orally taken goes through your bloodstream to reach the nail beds and thus your new nails growing in. The medicine forms a protective barrier between the old infected nail and the newly growing nail.
Toenails take one year to grow out. So for toenail infections you have to take the pills for 3 months. The medicine stays in your bloodstream for 9 months hence giving you 12 months of treatment (9 months after your final pill).
I took Lamisil about 13 years ago when it was fairly new. I believe I saw a dermatologist at my HMO who had to take a clipping of my toenail to ensure it was onychomycosis - I don't know what the hell else it could have been. I also took a blood test to see if I had any liver damage.
When the tests results were in I began my 3 month course of treatment. Within weeks my flaky, dry feet looked and felt like babies' feet. I realized that the onychomycosis was also the cause of my awful dried heels as well. My nails grew out beautifully - by the time I sought treatment I had had a very long history of affected toe nails and had a recent history of finger nail infection due to how I used my nail polish and cleaned my nails.
While your nails are growing back you have to be very careful when trimming them or cleaning them. If you break the barrier (both the natural physical barrier which I think is also the medicinal barrier) then the new nails growing out will get infected and you'll have to start again. My doctor advised me to drop such habits as digging deep to clean nails, cutting nails too short, tapping my nails on surfaces, etc.
I don't know if any other medicine works as well a Lamisil but I'm pretty sure topical treatments can't and I don't even understand how laser treatment works if it can't cure the infection which is the cause of the fungus.
After my treatment it was the first time in my adult life I remember being unembarrassed about my feet. Hear that "take off your shoes in my house" Nazis.
Tea tree oil, applied twice a day. Give it 4 to 6 weeks.
Yeah but Tea Tree Oil can also cause breast development in men.
Would you rather have fungus nails or big boobies?
Go online and order a British product called Curanil.
It's not sold in the US but is OTK in the UK. It's a topically applied antifungal drug that works well.
Delore Nail Hardener. Available from Amazon; works for me. Takes a few weeks and fungus comes back if I discontinue treatment.
I was doing a catered event at a diagnostic center and all the guests were podiatrists. They said two things: One- the laser toe fungus treatment at $900. a shot was a huge easy moneymake, and Two- it doesn't work that well for most people who need multiple treatments.
What's the difference between Tea Tree Oil and Eucalyptus oil?
Another vote for Curanil. It doesn't work for everyone--it's better for mild cases--but overall shows "between 60% and 71% effective in treating toenail onychomycosis."
I saw an ad for an $800 discount on laser treatment for toenails. The full price must be staggering.
My GF says her toenails have "fun-gross."
i hear if you stick it up your mate's fudgy bum and repeat twice a day your funky fugly fungus-covered toes will be cured forever.
[quote]My GF says her toenails have "fun-gross."
Are you in Kentucky or Alabama?
Try Varisi. It is cheap, effective and non-toxic.
If you have frequent sinus headaches, you may find they go away after a treatment of Lamisil for other reasons. Mine went away for 10 years after a treatment for nails as the headaches were due to a fungal sinus infection, not a bacterial infection.... if you have sinus headaches where when the sinus ultimately opens and drains leaves your throat and soft palette raw from the drainage, it is probably a fungal infection that ferments the fluids trapped in the sinus and makes in essence a vinegar like acidic drainage... no wonder it is so painful, for that to be trapped under pressure in a sinus cavity.
Lamisil might have some negative side effects, but in my case it had a wonderful positive side effect. Now 10 years later, my old symptoms are back, but I know what to do to treat it... Lamisil.
Oh well. Another Summer without flip flops. After many years, I'm on my third month of Lamisil and my nails look a little better. Several of them are peeling off easily as they grow out, even on one of my fingers. Maybe I'll look good for my winter vacation.
My doctor said the cream doesn't work. Lamasil is like 40% effective but the laser surgery is like 80% effective. He said but it costs like $1000 and insurance doesn't cover it. This was in Boston.
My left big toe has fungus only. I guess I will just live with it.
These are the ingredients of the product R25 recommends. The camphor and eucalyptus make me think of Vick's. Another ingredient looks like juniper-something. Anyone know what the rest of these are?
Juglans regia 8x, sepia 8x, mucor mercado 8x, palmarosa 8x, melaleuca alternofolia, camphor, eucalyptus globulus, anise, cinnemonum, mentha piperata, salvia sclerae, juniperus virginum, mystira fragans, lavandula latifolia, terebinthae oleum, vitis vinifera.
How many times do you have to be told - this is an INFECTION. It has to be treated at its core, its source.
Laser treatment does not, to my knowledge, get rid of the infection. Ergo you will retain the infection in your body and it will continue to cause problems. You cannot treat a systemic infection by applying creams or other gook to it.
Lamisil is highly effective - 70-80% - not 40% as someone above posted. You must take it every day though - they tried a method they called "pulsing" whereby you take it something like every other day - that may save the insurance company money but my dermatologist told me 13 years ago that it was an ineffective method.
I have heard about the Listerine method before
If toenails grew as fast as fingernails, the needed treatment for this stuff wouldn't last as long.
Just saw a Jublia commercial for new treatment. Anyone tried this or the other new one?
Here in North Korea, we will remove all of your toenails free of charge. That way, you won't have to worry about them.
When going out in flip flops or to the beach, just use the new Lee's press-on toe nails to conceal your horrible condition.
Vicks all the way. You have to slather it on and put on a pair of white footies before bed. Repeat every so often. This thread makes me nauseated. How someone could let it go so far without treatment is just--
You can't possibly be gay.
melaleuca alternofolia- tea tree
mucor mercado- microbial derived from mold
palmarosa- geranium oil
Juglans regia- walnut
mentha piperata- peppermint
salvia sclerae- clary sage
Terebinthinae oleum- Turpentine Oil
vitis vinifera- common grape (oil?)
And yes, it is Juniper
A plutonium dip works wonders I hear.
I have been scrubbing the nails with Hibiclens, which seems to help
R68 is full of shit, Vicks does nothing at all.
Another inquiry about Jublia. Anyone using it?
This is gross.
R72 obviously let it go too long. Vick's may not work if they're already calcified and falling off.
If I suck on OP's toes will it transfer to my mouth and rot my teeths? Asking for a friend.