I was at the gym today and "Another One Bites the Dust" and We Will Rock You" played back to back. I'm 28, so I had no idea that "Queen" did both songs (along with "We Are the Champions") with Freddie Mercury as the lead until a quick wiki search.
So my question is: How big was "Queen" here in the states and was it well-known that Mercury was gay?
BTW, what a voice.
"Fat Bottomed Girls" was big when I was college, oddly mainly among the sorority girls.
They were pretty huge here. "We Are the Champions" came out when I was in high school. It was my sophomore class theme song ('79). Amazing the longevity and meaning that song has taken on, especially in the sports world.
FM is the best rock front man ever. His voice, his musical ability, and his theatricality and showmanship was head and shoulders above his contemporaries. I really don't know if people at the time thought of him as gay. His look was glam rock before he adopted the clone look. I recall years later in grad school another student, a gay guy my very same age, laughed when he said he didn't realize Mercury was gay. saying that even with the band's name, he couldn't figure it out. He grew up in rural Georgia, so that might have had an effect.
I think people figured it out by the time "I Want to Break Free" came out.
Check out their Live Aid performances on Youtube. They absolutely blew everyone else off the stage. Last summer after Deval Patrick brought down the house at the Democratic Convention, someone on TV commented (paraphrasing) "Whoever follows him (it was Martin O'Malley) at the podium is going to know what it was like to play after Queen at Live Aid." The performance was that good and that memorable.
I remember Bohemian Rhapsody. It came out in 1975. There are whole websites debating whether or not Freddie Mercury knew he was going to die because of the lyrics.
He's also Persian. !! He was married to a woman they were just friends . I just saw an article about her recently . OP "I want it all" os a another great Queen song . "Save me" can make me cry every time .
One story I heard is that they lost a lot of American radio stations after their (great) drag video appeared for I Want to Break Free because Americans like their rockers manly where as the Brits appreciate a bit of camp (and of course got the Coronation Street send up).
Probably true R6. I remember Prince getting booed off the stage when he opened for the Stone in LA. When Prince came out in half-drag, they pelted him with bottles until he left the stage. But he came back and sang "Why You Wanna Treat Me So Bad."
They were banned by MTV for years when "I Want to Break Free" came out. I don't know if stations banned them on the basis of the video.
I don't think it was the drag sequence that was offensive as much as the following dream sequence. The it was the perception that the song promoted a "hedonistic" lifestyle where anything goes. There's a shot of sexually ambiguous performers feasting on a pile and grapes and, seemingly, each other. (2:12 at linked video)
Queen was huge in Chicago in the late 70's/early 80's. And we didn't think he was gay at all.
@ R3. I just watched the Live Aid performance. WOW!
[quote]They were banned by MTV for years when "I Want to Break Free" came out.
Oops. Want to correct myself here. The song was banned. Queen wasn't.
Elton John and then Boy George were teased for being gay. Still they were so talented, as well as over the top, that fans rationalized that "it was just the way of the very creative music industry." I'll put the fab Freddie Mercury in the same category. He was always "out there" and so original.
When I first heard Killer Queen (I was like, 12) I knew he was gay.
I saw the Night At The Opera tour (I was 13), he was flamboyant, but not particularly gay on stage. He was an amazing performer.
It was around 1980 when he started sporting that Christopher Street-clone mustache that cinched it. I was in High School then.
[quote]He's also Persian.
His parents was Parsi, an ethnic group in India that originated in Persia.
[quote]He was married to a woman they were just friends.
He never married Mary Austin, though he considered her his "one true friend." He did leave his house to her in his will.
I love Queen and miss Freddie and the band very, very much. To me, the ultimate Queen performance is Live at Wembley Stadium, both audio and video.
If I remember correctly, I think "Another One Bites the Dust" was a big crossover hit with urban, particularly black urban, audiences. I was in a DC teenager at the time and remember that particular song getting a tremendous amount of airplay on the urban radio stations.
[quote]I was in a DC teenager at the time
I hope you were also a teenager at the time, pervie.
He was ok, but for the love of God why didn't someone who cared help him get his teeth fixed. he could have been halfway attractive, but not with those Megan Draper bucks shreeking out of his face.
[quote]" I was in a DC teenager at the time..."[/quote]
Corretion - I WAS a DC teenager at the time...(my goodness, what a typo)
Queen were huge in the states, for well over a decade. "killer queen" got radio play of course, but "bohemian rhapsody" and "you're my best friend" cemented their star status. then came the mammoth "we will rock you/we are the champions" single, and they were SUPERSTARS. i remember their albums coming out as events. "the game" was an enormous hit, and "another one bites the dust" was indeed played on the r&b stations, a huge crossover. that album was one of those albums that i remember EVERYBODY had a copy of. then "under pressure" came out with that first greatest hits. big hit. "hot space," while a personal favorite, was not well-received (although was a big influence on michael jackson while he was recording "thriller")- but then the "radio gaga" album came out and they had hits again. i remember them on vh1 but not the radio post-1987 or so, but you still heard their music at parties and blaring from car speakers on saturday nights. wow, this was a long post.
and yes, he had one of the best voices in the business.
[quote]why didn't someone who cared help him get his teeth fixed
He know. But was afraid it surgery and changing the bone structure of his mouth would damage or change his voice.
Queen was HUGE in the US in the late 70s/early 80s. They were one of the most famous bands of their era. By the mid-80s top 40 radio stopped playing their new music, for whatever reasons.
and OP, i salute you for looking up info on "oldies" acts. i didn't think younger people did that much, judging by how little my 20-something co-workers know about music pre-1990. i'm not being condescending here, btw. i remember being a kid hunting for david bowie records after hearing "ashes to ashes" in 1981, and what a WONDERFUL journey turned out to be. there is so much good music out there. get into queen!
[quote]He did leave his house to her in his will.
From what I understand, he left her pretty much everything.
R17, I've read that Freddie was self conscious about his teeth but worried that fixing them would somehow adversely affect his voice & vocal projection.
[quote]I was in a DC teenager at the time
Are there any teenagers in DC worth being in?
OP, everyone I knew was aware Freddie Mercury was gay but I don't recall it was a big deal at the time.
As for his teeth, he might have been more attractive if he had surgery to remove the extra teeth and straighten the remaining ones. His voice might have sounded entirely different so I'm glad he left it alone. A voice like Mercury's trumps straight teeth.
It was before Chiclets for teeth became a fad, so it wasn't as big a deal as it would be now.
r6 it's true that video basically ended them in the US on radio/mtv. US radio is very conservative and they didn't gey the joke of it and thought it went too far, Even though it wasn't Freddie coming out they treated it as such and they went on to have a dozen more hits around the world except for the US and they never played here again because of it. They are big here but much bigger everywhere else.
The thing that put them back on the map in the US was actually Wayne's World when they sing BR in the car.
The US radio has yet to embrace any out gay male singer after they come out even to this day. Elton, George M, Bowie until he stopped being bi, Mika, Rufus, Scissor Sisters he list goes on.
If you want all the answers this is a GREAT documentary. I recommend anyone interesting in Freddie or the band watch, It's got interviews with all the players. It's long but worth it.
I was young but distinctly remember "AOBTDust" as being massive. It was on the radio every five minutes forever.
Freddy and Michael Jackson were friends. They recorded together but the duets haven't been officially released. Michael was jealous of the bassline in "Dust" and told Freddie he wanted a killer baseline of his own...which he got when he wrote "Billie Jean."
Queen was pretty big here in the U.S. Freddy Mercury has a lot of talent with powerful vocals over a four octave range. He displayed a highly theatrical style that often evoked a great deal of participation from the crowd. Although he had a flamboyant stage personality, Mercury was shy when not performing, particularly around people he did not know well and granted very few interviews. As far as sexual orientation, Mercury was an acknowledged bisexual. His last long-term relationship started in 1985 with a hairdresser named Jim Hutton. Unfortunately, in 1991 Mercury died of bronchopneumonia brought on by AIDS, only one day after publicly acknowledging that he had AIDS. His boyfriend Hutton, who was tested HIV-positive in 1990, lived with Mercury for the last six years of his life, nursed him during his illness, and was present at his bedside when he died. Hutton claimed that Mercury died wearing a wedding band that Hutton had given him.
Did he come out as bisexual?
"Another One Bites The Dust" was a standard at straight weddings. "We Are The Champions" always played at Los Angeles Dodger games and other sporting events. Like The Village People, I don't think fans really cared that much about their sexuality; just loved the music. LOL at some of their lyrics, and the real meanings behind some of these songs, considering where they were heard.
Queen cover bands play regularly in Vegas, and are still very popular.
Even more staggering is that the group only made one appearance on US television and still managed to sell like crazy.
Just watched the live aid peformance.
Holy crap. Clearly, Freddie favored boxers over briefs!
That was a "shlongtastic" performance! (I had no idea!)
Why has no one done a Bio Pic about his life? It could be a tour d'force performance for some lucky actor!
Sasha Baron Cohen?
Yeah, R35, I would rush to a theater to see that.
There's a myth that's developed and needs to be corrected. Queen were never EVER huge during Freddy's lifetime in the media. Yes they could pack the stadiums but, apart from the initial reception of Bohemian Rhapsody, they were always ALWAYS outliers. They were considered by mainstream media to be too camp and not to have the rock cred of the Stones, Black Sabbath, Kiss, etc who far eclipsed them in media coverage. It's only since his death that their lasting greatness has slowly come to the fore.
where were his extra teeth? did he have an extra row?
Melody will always win out over screaming and shouting. Or rap. Which is why most rap will soon be forgotten.
As well it should [R37] And is now, very much, well deserved "greatness"!
(It took me 20 years to discover Queen!)
[quote]They were considered by mainstream media to be too camp and not to have the rock cred of the Stones, Black Sabbath, Kiss, etc
KISS was always lampooned by the critics as a joke band.
Their R&B-influenced "Hot Space" took the steam out of the juggernaut after the monster hit "The Game." It was rejected by much of their rock fanbase and didn't draw the R&B audience that propelled AOBTD to the top of the charts. They recovered a bit with "The Works" but didn't fully recover their popularity until "Bohemian Rhapsody" was used in "Wayne's World."
That sounds like a hedge.
R14, "Parsi" means Persian...Freddy called himself Th Persian popinjay
[quote]There's a myth that's developed and needs to be corrected. Queen were never EVER huge during Freddy's lifetime in the media.
Maybe it was a hedge, but he did claim to be bisexual.
I assumed "You're My Best Friend" was written about Mary, but apparently bassist John Deacon wrote it about his wife.
Funny thing is I didn't even know he was family till I read his wiki page :/
I seriously doubt he was in the mafia, r47.
I was in 7th grade when those two songs came out OP. They were HUGE hits in the US. Everyone I knew knew every word to those songs.
I love R3's note that 'Queen at Live Aid' is now the benchmark for 'impossible to follow.' For what it's worth, I recall there was some survey that acknowledged that set as the greatest in rock history.
Another layer is that Queen were in bad odour with the hip, thinking press: during and after punk and new wave they'd looked irrelevant, a state worsened by their playing South Africa. All was forgiven after the genius of Live Aid. On top of everything else, it was one of the greatest ever comebacks.
Queen's Greatest Hits rightly remains one of the top selling compilations ever. It renders the dreadful juke-box musical that exploits it easily forgettable.
Oh, and I did read a while ago that S Baron Cohen was in talks to play Mercury. Can't think of better casting.
Cohen as Mercury!
Dude. I'm fuckin' psychic!
Now, I gotta go pick my lotto numbers.
Sasha Baron Cohen as Freddie Mercury is just more of the same. Hetero in the role of a gay man. Gay actors are not getting leading hetero roles or even leading gay roles. It's about the perpetuation of a system where heterosexuals are more valued and can do whatever role they chose. Another thing is gay people do not value the oppression/ discrimination gay people face in their effort to appeal to heterosexuals. That's why time after time heteros, the group that has oppressed gay people, can get gay roles yet there is no discussion of the irony instead it's about how brave heteros are.
R52, who would be your perfect casting for a Mercury biopic?
[quote]KISS was always lampooned by the critics as a joke band.
Lambaste KISS all you want, but they upped the ante on stage shows.
I saw Queen 1975, and the stage EXPLODED (pyro, etc) at the heavy break at the end of Bohemian Rhapsody. It was spectacular.
But, having seen KISS just months before - it was very clear who influenced who.
I can appreciate Bohemian Rhapsody, We Are the Champions and Another One Bites the Dust for being great songs from a technical/vocal perspective, but honestly if I never heard any of them again for the rest of my life it would be just fine. After the millionth time of hearing each of those three songs, it's just like 'ok, enough already.'
The OP says he is 28 as though that excuses him from knowing nothing about Queen, one of the best groups ever - just like all the other guys in their 20s I know and worked with who know nothing about anything from before their time and are not bothered about it.
My Queen story is I was introduced to Freddie at London gay superclub Heaven back in 1985 - maybe the year the OP was born - and I did not even know who he was, being bombed on acid at the time. So I just said "hi Freddie" and carried on dancing with my best pal.
We had become friends with Jim Hutton, a hot guy on the scene, whom we saw around the clubs we used to go to, and as I was Irish too Jim and I were pally and he often stayed over and slept in my bed with me - quite innocently, we were not interested in each other that way - as he often stayed out too late and fell asleep on the night bus home. Next thing we heard was that he had taken up with Freddie and we saw no more of him, until that night at Heaven when he rushed up to introduce this guy to us, who looked just like another clone.
That summer I too met my main relationship and left London for 10 years to live on the coast in Brighton with a disk jockey 14 years younger than me. He died in 1996, Jim died too since. At least Queen left a good legacy of music and videos, but like The Doors without Jim Morrison they had no main frontman to continue. Freddie though covered up his being gay and having Aids until the day before he died ...
Yes r53, that video and that line always get me too, it was so obviously Freddie's sign-off ....
I remember Queen II being extremely popular back in the 70s among the "stoner/freak" crowd in high school. I was 16 or 17 in 1977, which was long after it was released, but still, I remember getting really high and listening to Side Black through my headphones (at the suggestion of friends) and thinking that these guys were GODS of rock poetry. We all suspected Freddie was gay at the time, but then again, when your band is named Queen...
To this day, I can recite many lyrics to any song on that album, Sheer Heart Attack, A Day At The Races and A Night At The Opera by heart, even though I haven't listened to them in 20 years...
[quote]Freddie though covered up his being gay and having Aids until the day before he died...
I recall the months before that tragic day. Queen accepted some award (Brits?) and Freddie was blue-shirted, slimmer, and un-prominent. Then there was the video for a late single that used animation and old Fred footage to blend with the song. He was though himself, heartbreakingly brave and frail, in 'Days Of Our Lives.' So, there were enough unwelcome signs around amid the silence about his health.
The brutal tabloids were I think by their standards restrained. This was at a time when they felt untouchable in their ugly power. They would occasionally print a picture of Freddie, underweight, 'visiting his doctor', and pretty much leave it at that.
[r57] You're being a little too hard on guys in their 20's. You have to remember the internet didn't exist 12 to 15 years ago. Before the internet, who was going to shell out the bucks for a CD for a group you dont' know anything about? You couldn't screen a cd. I bought a lot of shit music back then!
Thanks to the internet I've been able to discover all this great music, I would have otherwise never discovered. FOR FREE! Access has made it possible. Those 20-somethings will get there.
[quote] the internet didn't exist 12 to 15 years ago
R57, what were your impressions of Freddie? Did he seem nice, charismatic or just ordinary?
R29, Freddie was not bi. He had a few girlfriends when he was younger (including Mary Austin), but for most of his adult life he was only into men.
[quote]Lambaste KISS all you want, but they upped the ante on stage shows.
R55, I enjoy quite a few KISS songs myself, but the point I was making was that R37 implied that KISS enjoyed more credibility and respect respect than Queen back in the day, and that's just not the case.
Thanks for sharing your story r57
Was the song Killer Queen about a man or a woman?
[quote]So my question is: How big was "Queen" here in the states and was it well-known that Mercury was gay?
Never underestimate the American public's ability to ignore the obvious.
Freddie said Killer Queen was about high class call girl but one guy from band's record company in the early years (can't remember his name right now) said the song was about him.
Freddie's voice could give you goosebumps.
'Why is this world so full of hate
People dying everywhere
And we destroy what we create
People fighting for their human rights
But we just go on saying c'est la vie...'
R25, maybe not if you prefer the hayseed and toothless.
Don't know if it's been mentioned, but the Jazz album is great all the way through. My favorite.
R61, I knew a lot about bands and musicians from preceding eras back when there were only 4 TV stations and not many more radio stations. Reading helps.
I think Queen is bigger now than when Freddie was alive. So many of their songs have become iconic.
Freddy was British. He already had the best set of teeth in the country.
I'm not American but I am long time Queen fan so I'll share what I know about their success in US.
They were on the height of their popularity in US in the late 70s, early 80s, when The Game was released. Another one bites the dust from that album was number 1 in America.
In the 70s they were very rock, but they are a band that was always changing styles and trying new sounds. The Game was also a change but it was well received and had wide audiences. After its success they tried to go in similar direction, but Hot Space was not well received and some critics say that American audience didn't like all the changes in the band's sound. In the 80s they were more pop than rock so that's one of the reasons they lost popularity in US.
They also decided to not tour America after 1982 and Jim Beach (manager) said that Freddie didn't want to tour America until they have a successful Album there. The successful album never came (partially because they stop touring US) so America forgot about them.
The band blamed their failure in America on MTV banning I Want To Break Free and Americans not accepting Freddie's clone look.
Brian and Roger also claim the responsibility is with Paul Prenter who was Freddie's lover and assistant responsible for American PR. According to them he was rude and dismissive to journalist and that harmed them. Prenter really was a prick. He sold his story about Freddie to British tabloids.
So those are some of the reasons why they weren't successful in America after early 80s. It was probably combination of all those things plus probably something else.
Also: it's Freddie, not Freddy. He was gay, not bi. Yes, he was with Mary and had a couple of girlfriends but he was gay.
If I remember anything else I'll share.
r76, not to disagree with you, but I thought he identified himself as bi?
(R17) Freddie Mercury quote - "I don't like the way my teeth protrude. I'm going to have them done, but I just haven't had the time. Apart from that... I'm perfect."
There was another quote where he said he could lead a "bucktooth liberation".
r77 he never spoke about his sexual orientation publicly but in all the (serious) books I read it was always said he was gay. He had a relationship with Mary Austin in the early 70s and during that time realized he was gay. She was very supportive and they remained close until his death. In fact, he always said she is his closest friend and the only person he can trust.
He also had a strange relationship with Barbara Valentin (German actress) in the 80s, but according to Freddie's friend and personal assistant Peter (Phoebie) Freestone that relationship was never sexual.
Of course, I can't claim Freddie's sexuality was this or that because he was the only one who really knew. But after all these years and all the interviews and books it was pretty clear to me he was gay.
From an interview with Mary:
[quote]As Freddie became an international celebrity, Mary often thought that she might one day lose him to another woman - but never to a male lover. That all changed one day when Freddie told her he had something important to say, something that would change their whole relationship for ever. 'He said, "I think I'm bisexual." I told him, "I think you're gay." And nothing else was said. We just hugged.'
[quote]'I thought, "He's been very brave." Being a bit naive it had taken me a while to realise the truth. Afterwards he felt good about having told me. He said. "I realised I had a choice. The choice was not to tell you, but I think you are entitled to your own life." And I thought, "Yes, as much as you are entitled to yours."
I lived between the US and UK during the 80s, and the difference is that Queen was big in the US, eventually going into decline. But in the UK, they were, and are, the biggest rock band of all time, bigger than Pink Floyd, Black Sabbath, even Led Zeppelin. So it was more or less the difference between one of several in the US and alone at the top in the UK and Commonwealth countries.
I saw in a documentary where Brian said he asked out Mary first and had a big crush then Freddie swooped in.
Another interesting part was about when they started veering away from rock and that it was was greatly influenced by freddie going to gay cubs and wanting that sound. Brian and Roger were not happy about it. Eventually Freddie put out a solo more dance album and it flopped as did Brian and Roger's solo efforts. It seems their magic was found in the chemistry of the whole band and the Live Aid concert got them back together for their comeback. They all wrote and had hits but not on their own.
I agree r82.
And here is Freddie with Mary Austin and Barbara Valentin.
[quote]just like all the other guys in their 20s I know and worked with who know nothing about anything from before their time and are not bothered about it.
Ain't that the truth. Just the other day a hot 29 year old that I work with gave me the deer-in-the-headlights look at the mention of Peter Frampton.
"Who?" he asked.
I was appalled ... and speechless.
R83, that photo is heartbreaking.
r84, in all fairness, that's not necessarily a bad thing.
Area rock was the death of the industry.
Barbara Valentin comes across as Freddie's faghag more than anything else. Look at them magumbos.
R86 - It has nothing to do with whether he should like Peter Frampton or not, or Arena Rock in general (hate to say it, but Queen was Arena Rock, too). But, as R57 pointed out, there is an arrogance in not knowing things outside of one's own immediate time and bubble.
Well, everyone knows who Glenn Miller was but it takes a bit of effort (or interest) to learn about Woody Herman.
Peter Frampton? He's no Woody Herman.
This thread brings back so many memories. I remember the day he died. It was one more death on top of so many, but for me it was the straw that broke the camel's back.
I remember being on my knees sobbing. It felt like all the grief of the gay world, all the losses of so many young, talented, beautiful men were contained in my tears that day.
Peter Frampton was a one-hit wonder nearly 40 years ago. Why would a 20-something know who the fuck he was?
Frampton put out one of the top-selling live albums of all time. I believe it is still no. 4 in the US list
R91 is obviously a self-absorbed 20-something.
Frampton's popularity might have been short lived and his fall might have been hard, but he was hardly a one-hit wonder.
Thanks, R92. Sniff.
Queen was big and probably most people suspected he was gay. Most people simply didn't talk about it.
From what I hear from my straight, hard rock friends it was only when they saw the 'I Want To Break Free' video that the penny finally dropped - and for many uptight americans his gayness was a dealbreaker.
Before that everyone thought he was just a larger-than-life rock star. Another outrageous performer, like Mick Jagger.
Or The Village People.
Any thread that begins "I was at the gym today and ..." means its a typical gym bunny OP who will soon reveal how clueless he is.
Its rather like seeing those stupid folk on tv quiz shows thinking they will win big money but are so stupid and not even bothered about their stupidity being shown, as they dont care that they don't know anything.
[quote]From what I hear from my straight, hard rock friends it was only when they saw the 'I Want To Break Free' video that the penny finally dropped - and for many uptight americans his gayness was a dealbreaker.
Ironically, from what Freddie had recounted about the video, he was the last person who wanted to dress in drag. The other three members "ran into their frocks," as he was quoted as saying. The video is a parody of "Coronation Street," a British soap, conceived by Roger or his girlfriend at the time.
Gene says that coming out, as a hard rocker, is just bad business.
You can't hide the hook!
r27, I watched the documentary on Queen that you provided the link for...and I want to thank you for that link. I'd never seen so much of that footage, having grown up in the U.S., and it gave me a sense of closure I haven't felt from his death until now. It was magnificent!
r91, are you that ignorant? Peter Frampton was first in Humble Pie. Listen to "Performance Rockin' the Fillmore" and get back to us.
Bumping this thread to see if anyone knows about the Freddie Mercury Biopic? Is it on hold? Any updates?
Queen was huge in the 70's and 80's. Power pop, and what is weird about the band is that they do not matter in the long run. What I mean is that Queen is not The Beatles, The Rolling Stones, or The Clash, and Freddie Mercury is not Dylan, Bowie, or Bono. The truly amazing thing about them is that they endure because of their irrelevance, much like the disco of the 70's and the metal of the 80's.
And yes, Queen's performance at Live Aid is astonishing.
I remember wearing my Queen "News of the World" concert T-shirt to school in 7th Grade and being harassed and taunted by the rednecks and also the black boys in school for wearing it. They kept saying shit like, "You fucking faggot. That band is a bunch of queers. I guess you're queer like them, huh?" Regardless, I proudly wore that shirt at least once every 10 days, just to piss 'em off.
I didn't think he was gay because I was so fucking in love with him when I was a teen. Roger too. As I got older and it became more apparent (starting with his new look when The Game came out, and man did I hate Another One Bites the Dust) it made sense and wasn't a big deal. Still loved him and cried my eyes out when he died.
Love how you never EVER read anything negative about Freddie Mercury.
This is funny. In the fall of 1980, I had two album covers on my bedroom wall. One was Queen's "The Game" and the other was Judas Priest's "Unleashed In The East (Live In Japan)." I guess as a 15 year old boy I had pretty damn good gaydar. LOL.
I loved growing up in the '70s. So many great musical acts: Led Zeppelin, Queen, Rush, AC/DC, Black Sabbath, Aerosmith, ZZ Top, Deep Purple, Thin Lizzy, UFO, Pink Floyd, Heart, Styx, Boston, Kansas, E.L.O., Kiss, Judas Priest, Ramones, The Clash, Sex Pistols, Uriah Heep, Grand Funk, and so many more. Needless to say, I was not the stereotypical gay boy into disco and cocktail lounge singers.
I disagree R109. I think they matter tremendously. You sound like a typical uniformed idiot and the only knowledge about the band you have is hearing snippets of "We will Rock you" at some event.
Queen II was INCREDIBLE and influenced many bands after that. Have you even heard of "Night at the Opera" or "Sheer Heart Attack"?
Freddie Mercury is one of the most influential musicians and artists of the last 100 year.
Never underestimate "Bohemiam Rhapsody" and it's video. It was the future...
Yeah, I agree r114. r109 does sound like he only listened to Greatest Hits.
Queen II is my favorite too. They lost their direction in the 80s but Innuendo was a fitting end. I look at Made In Heaven differently. It was finished after Freddie died so I consider Innuendo the real last album.
BTW they are (Brian and Roger) finishing a couple of old tracks with Freddie's voice + those Michael Jackson songs.
I'm glad they dumped SBC from the movie. He's unproven as an actual actor, and Freddie makes for a challenging role. SBC just does caricature and stereotypes (including gay stereotypes).
Ben Whishaw is a great actor. I hope it turns out well for the sake of Ben's career and the sake of the movie. There will be some people who will complain that Ben isn't some sort of person of colour, but I'm glad to see a gay major lead role going to an out gay actor. Freddie was such a unique combination of things that it's about impossible to get a perfect fit anyway. He was a gay man born in colonial Africa Zanzibar to Indian born persian descent parents and raised in an Indian boarding school before fleeing revolution to London. Plus he had an amazing distinctive singing voice, soulful delivery and peerless stage charisma. That's such a peculiar intersection of elements and influences, and such a lot of groups who are under represented in the media. You're not going to find candidates for casting who tick more than a fraction of all those boxes.
He wasn't gay. He was bisexual.
Stop it, lady. Just stop it. Freddie Mercury was a gay homosexual. End of story.
He wasn't, though.
[quote] In fact, he always said she is his closest friend and the only person he can trust.
I think part of Mary's special status came from the fact that he could be certain their relationship wasn't founded on his money or fame. She not only loved him before he had money, she actually was the one with decent job who paid most of the bills for both of them they started out as a couple. He was such a generous person that once he became rich and famous he could attract users and became less confident about his post-success relationships with people. I would say he was definitely genuinely widely adored by people who knew him and especially by the people he gathered close, but I can see why he would have uncertainty especially after experiencing some betrayals.
She'd also always believed in his talent and had been unexpectedly supportive of his sexuality.
She's stayed discreet after his death too, and she's still safe guarding the secret he entrusted her with of his body's final resting place.
So there is also going to be a movie biography of Elton John? That seems like a bit of a weird coincidence, two british (or kind of british, Freddie had british citizenship and had his career in britain) music mega star gay icons who started around the same era getting first time movie bios now.
Since Elton is executive producer on his bio pic, I guess he had a hand in choosing vastly more attractive than him Tom Hardy for the role of Elton.
I grew up in Portugal and later moved to France and QUEEN were huge. I remember when Freddie Mercury died. I remember that beautiful man on the front page of every newspaper. That's when I really became aware of AIDS - I was 13, 14 at the time and Portugal was still a pretty conservative country (it's changed now, and proved much more open than others).
Bohemian Rhapsody was, and still is, legendary. Lots of other songs. Kind of Magic. Want to break free of course. His version of Great Pretender played a lot on the radio and people loved to sing it.
No matter how homophobic society was when I was growing up in Portugal, Queen were massive and there was no discussion.
They're still huge even today, and I've yet to come accross someone who isn't a fan one way or another.
Another one bites the dust was a regular feature in dance clubs (I was not even 20 then) back in 1998.
[quote] He know. But was afraid it surgery
He was afraid of dental surgery, r124, although he knew his teeth looked odd and he was selfconscious about them. He wasn't willing to take the risk of changing his voice through having surgery to remove the extra teeth and reduce his overbite. He never had his throat nodules operated on for the same reason.
OP didn't spend his youth in the USA. What gave it away: "the states."
Americans don't use that phrase? I hadn't recognized that, but now that I think about I guess they seem to stick to "America" or "the US".
Was he a Parsi? (a descendent of Zoroasters who fled from Iran to India avoid religious persecution)
I've heard Americans use "the States", maybe because being out of the country you more often hear people talk about where they come from. I hadn't noticed it as an odd usage, but the linked site explains it better. According to the linked article it IS a more common usage among Americans.
People who travel abroad a lot tend to say they are from "the states" when speaking of where their home is. Many people in the military refer to the U.S. as "the states" too. .. People who've been nowhere tend to call it America. Or "Murka"..
[quote] Was he a Parsi?
Yes, he was parsi.
Mercury is cited by a lot of female artists (oddly) as an influence. Lady gaga took her name from Radio Gaga. Katy Perry loves him too.
Queen was big in the 70s and early 80s, and had a brief revival with BR being in Wayne's World.
[quote] Mercury is cited by a lot of female artists (oddly) as an influence.
He's been cited as an aspirational figure artistically by a wide variety of male pop and rock stars. Everyone from Robbie Williams (who nicked Freddie's style of microphone) to Harry Connick Jr. With guys the comparison is more direct than it is with women, though, so I think they tend to find it ultimately more frustrating. Dave Grohl said despite his early optimism he eventually had to come to terms with the painful fact he would just never be able to sing at all like Freddie.
Kurt Cobain's suicide note said he envied the energy and joy Freddie took from performing for crowds which Kurt was unable to find in himself.
People in the UK say America, not "the states." They hate America and Americans. Just watch Top Gear for 12 seconds and you'll get the gist of America-hate.
Lots of people who go to the US and kiss American ass get back home and diss America on UK TV, knowing that Americans won't see them.
Americans stereotype and ridicule other nations and cultures all the time, r135.
Americans do so much chest pounding about American exceptionalism in the world media that of course people in other countries are going do some scoffing. That's what comes from being a top world power with a big loud ego. Some day China or some other nation will be a much bigger power than the US and Americans can join the rest of us in rolling our eyes at them.
And American celebrities suck up to foreign people on the publicity train too. International markets are being relied on more than ever before for Hollywood profits.
My favourite song is Innuendo. A masterpiece!!!
On this day in 1991 Freddie died.
Also Brian tweeted this today: "Amazingly memorable Queen meeting with (our Producer) Graham King today on Freddie Film. We are ON ! Expect announcement next week ! Bri"
Ben Whishaw's audition for the producers must have went well then. There was an article a few days ago about it. It says the rumour is that they are looking at Dexter Fletcher as a director, which is interesting. Long time british actor who has just started getting into movie directing. That's a completely different direction that the big time Hollywood directors Sacha Baron Cohen was reportedly trying to bag when he thought the movie was going be a vehicle for him.
Thank God there is a lot of high quality video of Queen performances. I have an old VHS tape of them and can't watch it without crying. What a loss, Freddy owned that stage.
I have a difficult time watching the last music videos where he is so gaunt and they had to cover him in make up or go black and white to make his skin tone look more normal. It was really brave of him to do those and a testament to his gritty commitment and professionalism, but it's hard to see him like that.
It sounds like the movie is going to end in the Live Aid period. I can see how that would set up a big triumphant, exciting finish. I don't know how the hell they could re-enact Live Aid (Maybe use footage of the real crowds and film doctor in the actors playing Queen? I wonder if they'll cast actors to play others acts from the event and bob geldof?), but a big thrilling pay off like that would be very much in the spirit of Queen and ending there would respect Freddie's feeling during his sickness that he didn't want to be an object of public pity.
I've read on some other threads that Brian May could be holding up the project because he is VERY particular which might be pissing some people off. I think Brian has a right to be particular. After all, I think he's done a great job in preserving Freddie's memory and the image of the band.
Brian involves Freddie's family and has had Freddie's mother at many events and concerts.
Brian is a control freak. That has been clear whenever some new Queen product is about to come out. He even said that himself on many occasions, although the word he used was perfectionist. He admitted that other band members were often annoyed with him for that reason. I guess there is even more at stake with this film. There are many people involved and he's not the one making all the decisions. And the film is about his life too, so he wants to be careful.
Queen were a band of perfectionists. Freddie loosened up some over the years, while Brian if anything became more extreme. The members balanced each other, though, so it was for the best really. Freddie would have short periods of intense focused creativity then get bored and want to wander off while Brian stayed behind for hours working on details.
The band as a whole were also very self protective of the unit, assertive and possessive of their product. They own their own music, unlike a lot of less savvy acts in the business. The entire band insisted on attending marketing meetings where they would instruct the other attendees on what the album art would be and how it would be marketed. They started Queen Films for self-production of their own videos to avoid losing profits, power and control there, and they came up with their own videos concepts that directors were expected to just stick to realizing.
And Brian is all that to the nth degree.
Anyway, I always thought that a film about Freddie (or Queen) would be a bad idea. I'm not sure how I feel about all this now. I just want to see 70s concerts released and that "new" album they've been talking about.
Brian has said that they need it to be all right because they will only likely get one crack at having a film. Also, the band's control is front loaded - they have script approval, director approval, etc but once the movie is in process it won't be in their hands anymore so it would be important from their standpoint to have the right things in place at the start to bring about the movie they hope for. They have about 300 million in album sales and Freddie is remembered as a legend, so they don't have too much to gain from a movie and something to risk in terms of potential damage to their dead friend's legacy.
The delays look legimate to me, though, not like time wasting. Originally Queen weren't particularly interested in making a movie from the sounds of it. Michael Cunningham wrote a Freddie Mercury script in 2007 that Queen deservedly rejected - it was bad and also really innaccurate. Sacha Baron Cohen was really eager for a Freddie film as a vehicle for himself and kept trying to convince Queen and then worked at bringing prestige movie makers for the project. Eventually it was decided the SBC/Queen pairing wouldn't work, which meant deciding if there should still be a film, formulating new plans and casting a really difficult to cast central role.
Brian said there will be an announcement any day now about the film since everything is finally in place.
[quote] Anyway, I always thought that a film about Freddie (or Queen) would be a bad idea.
I'm not sure about it either. Partly I would feel better if Freddie himself were able to provide input and join in the arguments about how the film should be - Queen was a sum of all its parts.
There are a lot of dramatic and fun stories from the band's history, though, and the members had strong personalities that were all different from each other and weird for an enormous rock band. If they do a half way decent job of realizing the real life characters I think they could have a decent film simply by re-enacting various moments like this one: