Jack and Victor have their own thread, and it's about time Brooke and Taylor have one too.
I have been freaking out watching Brooke's out of control descent over the past few months. The payoff is turning out to be worth it. Can't wait to watch all week as Katie lets her have it.
Hope and her Sleeping Fantasy was vomit-inducing, but typical Logan women getting everything they wanted.
I miss Steffy and hope she comes back soon.
The Maya/Caroline/Rick triangle is ridiculous beyond belief, and this webisode plot is just another idiotic turn.
Why is Taylor leaving the show anyway? Why didn't Brooke lie? Does she want Peso Bill that bad ?
I didn't know Taylor was leaving the show.
Steffy is taking an extended vacation, but will be back eventually. That is why she went to Paris though.
Hunter "Plastic Surgery Poster Girl" Tylo was fired.
I loathe Brooke Logan and refuse to watch this mess. Sad, because there was a time when I wouldn't have missed B&B for the world.
She probably never came to terms with the fact that her son became a porn whore.
Bold & Beautiful
With Taylor gone and Thorne never appearing on screen are they going to introduce some new adult characters?
OMG, Maya looks like a cartoon character with zero sex appeal. Bleech. Bitchy Caroline is a better actress than Sickie Sweet Caroline. By that I mean the actress doesn't look like such an amateur when she's being mean and conniving. Who does the casting for this show? I could do better. A lot better. I started watching CBS soaps when AMC and OLTL were cancelled. Three years later, they are still doing the tired Stephie/Liam/Hope story line. Such lazy writing.
[quote] With Taylor gone and Thorne never appearing on screen are they going to introduce some new adult characters?
Their salaries are paying for the bunch of newbies populating the show.
I've never really liked Bland and the Boring , it makes the lethargic Old and the Rested seem like a fun time!That being said Hunter Tylo is fabulous. She has the worst plastic surgeon in Hollywood. hopefully she hop over to Days or GH where she can call herself by her real name Deborah Hunter!
WTF happened to Ron Moss? He must be comfortable enough to live on his past income. To be honest, he never got better as Ridge only worst!No wonder Days or GH haven't hired him yet.who is KKL fucking these days in real life and on screen? I always liked her BUT she's another one that mangled their face.Former B and B star, current Days diva,Eileen Davidson, has done work done BUT doesn't look foolish like Hunter and KKL.
I started watching when AMC and OLTL were cancelled too. They do repeat the same stories, but when Bold is good it is campier than any other soap on air.
[quote]Three years later, they are still doing the tired Stephie/Liam/Hope story line[quote]
They played that same story line with Brooke & Ridge for 25 years....the only thing that changed was the third in the triangle - Caroline, Taylor, Thorne, Eric, Nick.
R11 Days and GH are laugh/campfests compared to the Bell soaps.The Bells were very camp when Brenda Dickson was last on y and R in the 80s BUT they usually play it straight. Quick example is Eileen Davidson on B and B and Y and R,, she was sleepwalking as Ashley on those soaps. She was boring as heck to watch. On Days, she is the Villainous queen of camp.Kristen's meanness is so delicious it's fun to watch her camp it up as opposed to snoozefesting it up on the glacially paced Bell soaps.
Stephanie was right all along! You're just a slut from the Valley!
This show is so fucking bad, I am at a loss as to how it's won any Emmys.
Susan Flannery was the only thing holding it together and now she's gone.
B&B put out a casting notice this past week that sounded a lot like a Ridge recast-mid-late 40s, very handsome, blah blah blah. They used a fake name but I forget what it was.
[quote] The Bells were very camp when Brenda Dickson was last on y and R in the 80s BUT they usually play it straight.
The Bell brand of camp is very sort of upscale Gothic - and a lot of their camp comes from having hellaciously untalented actors (Dickson, Ronn Moss, Hunter Tylo) give line readings straight out of Mommie Dearest or Soapdish.
Rumor has it Bill Bell was a bit of a kinky bastard (and possibly a philanderer) so his bizarro fantasies ran to whatever boring khaki pantsed straight boys fantasize as "kinky" in their dreams.
Seemed to include an awful lot of incest and cuckoldry.
Today was nuts. Brooke yelling at Katie telling her that she should be lucky Bill still wants here?! WTF!
Liam proposing to Hope (again) before the divorce papers with Steffy are even signed.
And now Liam has a half-brother?
[quote] And now Liam has a half-brother?
Do you mean baby Will, or that Wyatt dude, who clearly is another Bill Spencer sperm dropping?
[quote]The Bell brand of camp is very sort of upscale Gothic - and a lot of their camp comes from having hellaciously untalented actors (Dickson, Ronn Moss, Hunter Tylo) give line readings straight out of Mommie Dearest or Soapdish.
This is something that a lot of people don't get about soaps. Sometimes an actor embodies a part in such a way that acting doesn't really matter.
For instance Ron Moss can't act, but he WAS Ridge.
Brenda Dickson WAS Jill.
Susan Lucci can't act a lick, but she IS Erica Kane.
Early Brooke Stephane was classic. Susan Flannery could deliver cold rich bitch like no one else.
The show lost a lot of heart when Darlene Conley died.
Congratulations to Brooke on her recent engagement to Dallas Cowboy Phil Costa!
Don't mean to derail this thread, but if Brenda had stayed at Y&R, do you think they would've made Jill as sympathetic a character as she had become? Sure, during Walton's heydey, there was still fire, but the character became much more likeable and sympathetic. I can't see Brenda pulling that off, although Brenda did play the 70s version of Jill as a sweet ingenue. I LOVE Brenda. She may be an atrocious actress, but she had tons of on-screen charisma that compelled you to watch.
Brenda played Jill perfectly as the creation of Katherine's lies and machinations. Brenda's Jill had the truth on her side.
Jess' Jill was always, why are you always scheming against this old woman. What did she ever do to you? Jess didn't play the history, the way Brenda did.
I think that was intentional, r24, so that Jess could make the character her own rather than stand in Brenda's shadow. Jeanne and Jess apparently discussed all this in length when Jess joined the show.
[quote] Susan Flannery could deliver cold rich bitch like no one else.
Funny, I figured she was always playing Lee Phillip Bell.
it's like an old movie; so well directed.
There's an innocence to KKL; not the greatest actress, but somehow it all works.
R26, no...Lee Bell is incredibly nice. Ask anyone in Chicago where she was a precursor to Oprah with her own daily talk show that did wonders for social issues.
If I remember Ronn Moss left the show for two reasons - money of course (daytime is not paying what it used to) and distance. I guess he had moved very far from LA and the commute was a bitch. Yes he has made a crap ton of money not just off of B&B but being on it. For years it was insanely popular in Italy. Ronn got lucrative deals to endorse everything over there from watches to potato chips. He is good friends with Valentio. So yeah he probably has f u money.
With Stephanie's death and Not many OG people left I think they are trying to turn Brooke into the new anchor for the show.
[quote]I think that was intentional, [R24], so that Jess could make the character her own rather than stand in Brenda's shadow. Jeanne and Jess apparently discussed all this in length when Jess joined the show.
That is interesting. Bell was setting up a similar rivalry between Nina and Jill, but it sort of petered out. But the difference between Nina and Jill was that Nina was always a schemer. Young Jill wanted a better life, but she was no schemer in the beginning.
The Brooke/Stephanie rivalry wasn't as layered as Katherine and Jill, but it was based on the same premise and just as good in the beginning. Where they messed up with Stephanie was that as Flannery got older, they allowed too much Flannery into Stephanie. They turned Stephanie into a truck driver, so everyone just thought that Stephanie wanted to fuck Brooke. I don't care how good of an actor Flannery is, no Los Angeles socialite fashion house owner would be walking around with that haircut and 100 extra pounds and Lane Bryant day wear.
Yes R19, I meant Wyatt. I forgot about Will even though they fight about him everyday.
How did Katie get her divorce to go through so quickly. He signed a piece of paper and the next thing she was throwing him out of the office and running things by lunch.
They do want to make Brooke the anchor of the show, but Heather Tom is the one who wins all the awards so she needs to be front and center too.
Katherine Kelly was doing both B&B and a UK Soap Coronation Street at the same time.
How was she able to juggle two soaps, on two different continents.
Oh, R32, stop being tiresome, they're two separate actresses.
The British Katherine Kelly left Coronation Street and is now Jeremy Piven's co-star on the series Mr. Selfridge. They attended Wimbledon together this year.
R34 I watch both shows.
They are played by the same actress.
KKL's ex was hot and Jeremy looks a lot like his dad.
Stop lying, R35. They're two separate actresses. The British Katherine Kelly's at least ten years younger than B&B's Katherine Kelly.
R30, brilliant; that was worthy of Diva Von Dish.
I often wonder why daytime casting directors aren't out scouting regional theater with a middle aged actress who has the potential to be the next Flannery or McKinsey.
Two tough acts to follow, of course.
I meant 'looking for' (the next Flannery or McKinsey)
This thread prompted me to look up classic Stephanie/Brooke showdowns of the past. Man, Flannery could rage like no other. She was fierce as Stephanie! I started our hating Stephanie because she was such a seething bitch from the beginning but by the time Brooke stole Eric while sleeping with Ridge, I flipped.
Stephanie versus Sheila was also classic. B&B may have been my favorite soap at that time. Sheila vs. Stephanie vs. Brooke with Lauren Fenmore as a time bomb waiting to go off.
Tell me these scenes aren't electric. Look at La Flannery's face at the very end. Brilliant.
Brooke had stopped sleeping with Ridge when she began her relationship with ERic; Ridge had, in fact, married Caroline and wasn't involved with Brooke.
The writing was brilliant b/c Eric had long fallen out of love with Stephanie, but she still felt justified in her feelings that Brooke had stolen him.
So how did Brooke end up with a baby she thought could be Eric's or Ridge's back then? Didn't she and Ridge have sex in the lab while she was with Eric?
Camp Brooke from episode one. She is written brilliantly, nothing but problems and embarrassment, but always as a victim.
The best years were, when she ran F. Now she cries too much. I want her stronger again. KKL acts very well, because I, after all, still like Brooke.
I miss the years when Brooke was ceo, Stephanie was all over her (the best scenes!), Sheila was around etc. B&B had really strong female characters.
Does KKL's son escort?
Brooke needs a young Brooke to rage against. I'm surprised they haven't gone that route.
R35, the British actress & the American actress don't even look alike -- both thin blondes, but that's all.
I love your analysis, R30! It's sad how Stephanie went from gorgeous and chic to an overweight diesel dyke.
That thing about Katherine Kelly Lang's son is so bizarre. Why would a son of hers do such a thing? I'm sure she is very wealthy. I'm sure he understands the business enough to know that doing porn pretty much precludes him ever having a non-porn career (unfair, I know, but true). He must have known that he would be found out, that she would be embarrassed and everything.
R52, I think there was a step-father in the picture he might have been rebelling against and I heard there was a family member who posed for Playboy (not his mother) and his father directed some edgy pictures.
Maybe he didn't see this all that different?
But yes, he'd have to know it'd get out.
There was a thread about it and one poster wrote something like: "What do you expect since his mother is completey devoid of ethics?" and it was signed Stephanie Forrester.
THAT was funny.
Amber was the baby Brooke to Brooke's stephanie.
I am enjoying Darrin Brooks and his unusual--but I won't say bad--acting on B&B these days, but I wish the writers would decide who the character is. One minute Wyatt is super-sweet and wide-eyed and innocent and the next he's trying to steal (boring but cute) Hope from his new half-brother. Whatever, I'm still watching.
It would be funny if they cast a mid 40's actor to replace Ridge, moss is 61.
Katherine Kelly Lange is dating Jeremy Piven. They attended Wimbledon together this year, in one of their first public appearances.
p.s. John McCook who plays his father is 69- So he had him at 8 years old...pretty sweet. Flannery his mother is 74 so she was 13 when she and 8 year old Eric - Oh no wait Massimo Marone is Ridge's real father Joe Mascolo is 84 so he was 23 when he put it in 13 year old Stepahnie who lied and said 8 Year old Eric was the father -
Now I would watch that Soap - 23 year old has Sex with 13 year old girl gets her pregnant and she lies so 8 year old will marry her.
KKL dating Piven??? is that so he can get at her Gay Porn son?
I know soaps are not meant to be serious and real but B&B stretches any sort of reality.
It's totally incestuous in every way. Everyone on the screen has shared at least two members of a given family in bed.
The only real, authentic performance was from La Flannery, and even she had to run from that shit.
Jacob Young is now partner in a car dealership in his hometown of Roy, Washington with a childhood friend.
Jacob Young has a fat ass that rivals the Damon Butt
Jacob used to be such a twink when he was a kid.
KKL and Piven, I know that KKL looks like a dude in drag BUT c'mon now! First he dated closeted dyke, January Jones, now KKL? It must mean that she is in the closet OR he is bearding.Then again Bland and Boring is popular in Europe so Piven is trying to expand his brand.....
R81 I find Jacob handsome, but Adam Gregory, I couldn't decide which one. The new hunk Darin looks fine as well.
KKL is no lesbian. Know that one for a fact. She might be a beard but she likes dick.
Bold has been pretty fun lately. I've been enjoying the past few weeks of Heather Tom crying and calling KKL a whore every other line. Her monologue at the end of yesterday's ep was pretty good.
Wyatt and Liam fighting over Hope while she giggles and prances around is pretty vomit inducing though.
I love how Bill just accepted Wyatt into his life without so much as a DNA test! It was an instant family reunion and no one is suspicious at all!
B&B is a hoot. I really hope they put some heat into the Brooke vs. Katie rivalry and that it goes on and on. Just please don't make Bill and Katie's kid get sick and that be the catalyst that gets them back together.
Jacob Young has produced another offspring:
Congratulations are in order for THE BOLD & THE BEAUTIFUL's Jacob Young (Rick) and wife Christen, who welcomed their second child yesterday. Molly Lynn was born early Wednesday, August 28, and weighed six pounds, 11 ounces. The whole family is doing well, including their four year old son, Luke. Best wishes to them all!
Brooke and Bill I like it. I hope writers make them a strong couple.
My dream would be Jacob and Adam as bisexuals (everything's possible in soaps) and in relationship.
How good is KKL's son's oral technique? Does she swallow? Is he a bottom?
Peter Reckell basically has been told if he wants to be the Ridge recast, he's got it. But some say he is still holding out for Days. We'll see.
Oh, Lord! I thought the subject line said Brooke HOGAN. Like Hulk Hogan's daughter? Imagine my disappointment. I thought maybe someone did the poor girl a favor, knocked her in the chin enough to break it. She needs an excuse to go in for the plastic surgery, she looks like a tranny.
Reckell as Ridge? That won't go over very well. Then need to keep Ridge gone till Ronn Moss comes to his senses and reclaims his role.
I think Reckell as Ridge would go great. A dildo with a mustache could act more convincingly than Ronn Moss.
Reckell can act as opposed to Moss who could never act. The rumors of Moss playing Bo on Days is comical though. I can see Robert Kelker Kelly (who was thrown off the Days set because of his kinky ways) came back to play Bo before Moss came on as Bo.;)
I'm really loving Wyatt, but it is beyond nauseating having Liam and his half-brother fighting over Hope!
When is Steffy coming back?
Casting call has been put out for a 40something lesbian character.
Are they recasting one of the lesbians or adding a third? Would they really go ahead with a lesbian love triangle?
Apparently they have a heavy story planed for Karen Spencer. Joanna Johnson is unavailable, so they have opted to recast.
I like Kim Matula as Hope. She is an intelligent performer, fully committed to whatever nonsense gets thrown her way. That's what a lot of actors have to do. Scott Clifton and Darin Brooks have Emmys, but I think Matula is the one who can best make it out of daytime -- so, you get outta there Ms. Matula!
Who should play Karen?
I think Mary Beth Evans would make a good Karen recast
I love Joanna Johnson so I would be disappointed if they recast. Plus, she's been on-and-off with the show since it started. It's not really Brad Bell's style to push one of the veterans out like that.
Anyway, I'm loving the show recently. I think the show has weathered Stephanie's departure really well, and Steffy's departure was the best thing that could have happened. I really loathed that awful triangle, and the Liam/Wyatt one is shaping up to be a lot more fun.
R85 I agree, don't miss Steffy nor Taylor.
Instead of lesbian couple, I'd like to see gay couple, also getting married and adopting a baby, going all the way. B&B has good looking young actors, why not making one of them bi and then hiring an actor to play gay character.
Who does Don Diamont's hair? The poor thing looks like he goes to the 99 cent store to get his hair dye!It's been very distracting lately.Not as distracting as KKL's bad facial filler regimen but close.....
r86, not a single one of the good looking dudes on the show is gay so there is no way any of them would play a gay character.
With Susan Flannery gone, John McCook has ascended to top billing.
The Bold & The Beautiful
Respect the DL, OP. If you're going to do soap threads, you'll have to hide them.
Wasted Crystal Chappelle so I hope they keep her. Miss Steffy. She gave the show Punch. Brooke sleeping with another relative's hubby is tired. I do like Wyatt. I mean if Steffy comes back Hope would just best flowergirl to wedding No. #3 between Steffy & Liam
R86, I miss Taylor so little that I forgot she left! She'd been nothing but a talk-to for years anyway. I actually thought her brief ascension to Stephanie's post as Meddler in Chief was pretty funny and had a lot more potential, but since really making Taylor into the new Stephanie would have messed with Brooke's shine, it was not to be.
Taylor has slept with more of the family than Brooke!
Why not bring Kimberlin Brown to play Karen? Since they've killed off Sheila on Y&R?
I dont think this show will ever recover from susan flannery leaving. I cant say i miss ronn moss a lot but the balance of the show is off without stephanie and ridge. The only time i watch anymore is to see brooke get put in her place. I really cant stand any of the characters anymore. Eric-pussy. Bill-asshole. Rick-asshole. Liam-asshole. Thought they had a opportunity with taylor filling stephanies shoes but of course they wouldnt pay hunter tylo what she wanted. Hate hope little miss entitled princess. Katie belongs in an insane asylum. Darrin brooks should be gay on this show. He pings like hell. Of course haaaaaate brooke the biggest cunt ever.
R94 No one is dead on soaps now are they? Kim hasn't done the remaining NBC soap, it's about time that she does or Sony/Corday are smart enough to use her.
R84 Isn't she on contract to Days? It seems like they actually use her more than they used ED on Young when she was fired.Then again she hasn't done a Bell soap either.I wonder if The Bells are willing to trade then........
This show needs a matriach and Brooke ain't it. Katie is always so sour. Miss the Marones actually.
Jack Wagner is available so one never knows.Joe Mascolo is on Days BUT they let Wally Kurth go do GH concurrently for a bit.
Jack Wagner is done at GH until Carlivati/Valentini are gone (let it be tomorrow!) because he shit-talked the story they gave him. He'd jump at a chance to get back on "B&B" but I think they're holding out for Ridge to come back. Unfortunately.
Taylor=Ridge, Thorne, Rick, Eric, Nick(Ridge bro)
Brooke= Ridge, Eric, Thorne, Nick, Thomas(uncomsummated
Technically Taylor wins having bedded more Forrester men
Remember when Ridge had a hot n heavy romance with Bridget, his half-sister?
I always felt that is why Ronn Moss left. No one would stay with Brooke esp. after an almost fling with the son. Will they ever cast Brooke/Ridge son R.J.?
I hope Brooke starts meddling in Hope's life again and pushes her to Wyatt.
Taylor also slept with Brooke's father!
Kimberlin Brown's acting is excellent.
I like Logans and Brooke has always been my favorite in B&B, Brooke is well created character.
R102 Add to the fact that a pay cut was in order and Mossy never learned to act are additional factors!They could add Kim Brown and have Ms Flannery show up every week as a ghost and it still wouldn't improve the show. Peter Reckell coming on might be a nice little game changer though,,,,,
Katie's back! Keep hoping she will be the one that won't let Brooke take her man
Every time Caroline calls Bill "Uncle Bill," I immediately wonder where Jody, Sissy, Mrs. Beasley and Mr. French are.
Did they change Caroline's when they changed up the character? Or was she the same one Bill threw um accidently shoved off the balcony?
Katharine Kelly Lange did B&B and the UK soap Coronation Street at the same time.
Being burned out, she quit Corrie to just focus on B&B only
R110, It has been the same actress the whole time.
I'm LOVING Wyatt. This plot about the 2nd Hope Diamond in Mexico is pretty stupid though. Touching it together has altered their destiny!
How soon are Bill and Brooke going to tie the knot?
I agree. Wyatt is a great addition to the show.
Never particularly liked Darrin Brooks as Max on Days, but he's great here.
I wonder will Brooke get pregnant again with another change of life baby?
Wyatt is a good actor. Didn't watch DOOL. Liam & Hope is'sheer boredom. The writers are slowly turning Liam into Bill.
How many times will Hope see Steffy marry Liam again? This will no 3. Can someone please hose down geriatric Bill & Brooke
I love the fashion shows on Bold. The clothes look so off the rack, and certainly never look like a unified collection.
Brooke is such a whore getting engaged to her brother-in-law while he's still married to her sister!
Thorsten Kaye has been cast as the new Ridge Forrester.
An insult to Ronn Moss.
R118 Why? He wanted to leave and it is common for soaps to hire new actor to play the character.
The real alpha male of the B&B is Lawrence Saint-Victor.
Ridge is iconic. You can't recast Victor Newman and you can't recast Ridge Forrester. Some roles are actor proof, regardless of the actor being talented or not.
Does anyone think JFP is going to have Fen raped in prison like she did Michael on Gh?
I was thinking that too about Fen.
Saw Shangella (Drag Race)! So Wyatt is shady too. Hope should go back to Oliver. Oh I forgot Brooke almost slept with him too
Brooke did sleep with Oliver.
Brooke getting dumped HARD like that by Bill was a surprise to me, but I enjoyed it. I love that she blamed him for the relationship: "Why didn't you leave me alone??" Uh, hunty, that's not exactly how it went.
R121 Ron Moss was so bad that his role can definitely be recasted! Ron Moss seems like a nice guy but he was a johnny one note bass player in the band Player and a johnny one note actor on the CBS/Bell owned soap.
R126 he is a SUPER STAR in Europe.
Kind of wanted a Brooke to choose between Bill and the recast Ridge. Ridge & Katie could be interesting.
R127 He's a star in Italy. He appeared on their version of Dancing With The Stars. He's a superstar in Europe like Hasselhof was. We all know that the Hass was a hardly one and either is the Moss!
Will KKL stop putting so many fillers in her face? She looks like a porn star. Which is fitting since her son is a gay porn star!
Oh Bill looks great without his shirt off. Did he get fat sucked out of his tits or tummy? He has a decent bod for such an "old" goat.
Maybe Billy Miller and his hot nips can hot foot it over to B&B?
There was a funny Italian version of PUNK'd where Katherine Kelly Lang was the celebrity victim. She was at a restaurant discussing a business venture with some Italians, and a woman on the team was flirting with her husband and this pissed Kelly off. Meanwhile an Italian queen was at the table behind, gushing over Kelly and explaining to his friend, "Brooke! Brooke! From Brooke The Beautiful!" Approaching Kelly, he asks "Where Ridge?". Meanwhile, the flirting continues. The crazy fan is reprimanded by Kelly for being an irritant, he then sneaks up behind her and kisses her shoulder. She throws water in his face and storms to the bathroom. Her husband follows her and they have a bust up. Then she comes out and confronts the lady at the table, some Italian host turns up out of nowhere and says she has been punked, or whatever they call it there.
Is there a GH thread around these days?
R132 I wish there was. It's the best soap out there to be honest.
On a Bell soap/CBS note , I'm looking forward to Thorsten Kaye becoming Ridge. They get a German to play such a quintessentially American role and the German will be a gazillion times better than the original!;)
Ronn Moss could be a very nice guy and a very big diva. There were times where he and Joanna Johnson were not speaking at all yet had to play lovers on the show.
Where is Thomas?
Ally is dull!
Sometimes Ally seems cute but other times--I think it's her expressions--she is the plainest Jane around. Her character is a total drip.