She doesn't need to drink a drop, she's a permanently unhinged narcissist. She gets drunk at the sound of her own elitist voice and high on what she fantasizes are her admirably superior highflown words.
Peggy, like most white GOP women voters, is past child bearing age and doesn't have a vested interest in upholding women's reproductive rights.
It's a classic example of "This doesn't affect me, so I feel perfectly qualified and entitled to tell you what you must do ... or stop doing."
These days she's merely a passed it harridan.
Dear Peggy Noonan,
There aren't enough abortion. So STFU.
Geez, OP. Do you still think liberals and conservatives are the same?
You have to stand for something, or you'll fall for anything!
We mailed her a fetus yesterday with a note saying, "Please give Marnie here a good home or feed to a nice python. A life is a terrible thing to waste."
Just watch Peggy Noonan's eyes when she's on these shows. She hates to make eye contact. She looks down or talks with her eyes closed. I admit I am so busy looking at her shifty eyes, I sometimes miss her (usually repugnant) message.
I don't understand why we can't just do with Peggy what we do with my aunt at Thanksgiving who's also a lush - ignore her.
[quote]Peggy, like most white GOP women voters, is past child bearing age and doesn't have a vested interest in upholding women's reproductive rights.
What's surprising is how many of these women have had abortions. The hypocrites are often the loudest and shrillest.
Even so, the anti-abortion groups are dominated by men who either believe in the sanctity of sperm or who believe they deserve to control women.
"What's surprising is how many of these women have had abortions."
But darling, we've made a point of sincerely regretting it ever since.
GOP Dowager Alcoholics of America
[quote]But darling, we've made a point of sincerely regretting it ever since.
And making sure other women don't get the chance to make the same mistake.
Peggy also has the biggest daddy complex: Ronnie Raygun, Pope JPII. She's gets unhinged if you criticize either "daddy." Neither of them unfortunately had sex with her which would have fulfilled all her fantasies.
Peggy, in addition to being a raging boozehound who has gotten thrown out of events, was known as "Pegger Nooner" for her rapacious sexual appetite for married men.
Now she is a Republican scold. How predictable.
She sucked Reagan's cock so much she caught his Alzheimer's.
She's totally psychotic yet someone gives her a platform every Sunday morning to spew her evilness.
I hate the fuck out of abortion as well but can Peggy Noonan get laid or take a pill chill? You are not going to convince the other side by calling them baby killers.Has PN been fucking married men? There goes that conservative hypocrisy again. Don't kill that baby BUT I can suck,swallow and teabag his dad's three piece set!
D and C is MURDER!!!
Peggy reminds me of that dazed old gal on Vicious.
[quote]These days she's merely a passed it harridan.
If you mean to say that her age renders her past it with respect to offering credible arguments against abortion rights, I agree.
If you're talking about her ability to throw a football, I'd say she's past it on that front too.
She has had good work.
R19 -- I meant it like "time has passed her by."
Aw, R16, I assumed you meant "passed OUT."
Many of the most rabid in the anti-abortion movement are unlikely to procreate again, if they ever did before.
The entirety of the Roman Catholic clergy are among them.
This time, I agree with Noonan. I can't support killing infants, no matter how much those support this try to deflect attention from what they are supporting. I will not support something so wrong and evil.
I'm against killing infants, R24.
Fetuses, on the other hand, are fair game.
Then don't have an abortion, R24. Don't support your friends who are thinking of having one. Don't drive anyone to the abortion clinic. (Ironically you could get killed by one of your fellow idiots.)
But you don't get to limit someone from having one.
I hope you don't have a daughter, wife, sister, niece who gets raped by a stranger or a family member (perhaps your father). You'd give all the support to the rapist and not to them.
And I hope, if you are a breeder, that you have used birth control, that you have been responsible so one of your idiotic sperm doesn't knock anyone up accidentally. Because it takes two to get someone pregnant, though most men want to put it all the women.
[quote]I can't support killing infants,
What a brave, brave stance.
Of course, no one else supports killing infants either, so you're in good company.
I agree, r26. And R24 also should do whatever he can to encourage the use of safe & effective contraception by both sexes & assure that it's available whenever & wherever needed.
[quote]Peggy also has the biggest daddy complex: Ronnie Raygun, Pope JPII.
There is actually more truth to that then you know. A psychological study was done on conservatives and liberals and the results were interesting.
In a nut shell, conservatories need a father figure, liberals do not. This is why conservatives become Republican because everything is black and white. Everything in a neat little box with rules and regulations. Don't confront authority. Everything is figured out for you, just do as I say and daddy will take care of you.
Liberals are the exact opposite. The see the world in all its colors and shades of grey. They like to think for themselves and resent being told what to do. This is why they go democrat, it has the widest umbrella of diversity and open to new ideas.
Its much harder to think for yourself or question your own upbringing. This is why most intellectuals gravitate towards the Democratic party. Intellectually lazy, conspiracy types go the other way into religion and Republican conservatism.
Peggy and r24, both, are idiots.
r26, perhaps I am okay with allowing people to choose something that I think is abhorrent and evil like abortion, but choice means, I get to choose not to support politicians and political movements (abortion) that advocate those actions. If a person thinks it is infanticide, they are not going to support the choice to kill even if they are technically pro-choice. Moreover, people can be pro-choice and still verbally denounce the choice as immoral, evil.
If a person thinks abortion is infanticide, r31, they are factually, objectively, no-way-around-it incorrect.
R31, pro-choice people don't believe abortion is a wonderful and lovely thing. The reality is that as long as there are unwanted pregnancies, abortion will exist.
Funny, the bible never talks about Fetuses. Its called BIRTH for a reason. Until then, all bets are off.
Your sperm is alive too, so stop jacking off. And by the way, sperm is male and female so dont give me some crap line about life starting at conception. Sperm IS life.
R31, I agree that you're entitled to abhor the choice I make. But I hope you agree that I'm [bold]legally[/bold] entitled to make choices about my own body & you are not.
Life is sacred. Until you're actually born.
The problem with conservatives is that the want government so small it fits inside a woman's vagina.
W&W for R37.
r35, okay, but does not mean I am okay not to support political and social actions related to that choice? I don't want to support something morally repulsive to my beliefs and values.
R39, do you pay taxes? Do you support everything that local, state and federal governments do with your tax dollars? For example, do you support the killing of unarmed civilians by US drones? Do you find that morally repulsive?
I once had dinner with Peggy Noonan--this was many, many years ago. It was a set-up. Seriously. A friend of a friend didn't know I was gay and invited me to a dinner party. I only realized about half way through what was going on. So I got to see Peggy at her most seductive best. It was, in a word, horrifying. She drank too much, slurred her words, talked about Ronald Reagan was though he were a combination of God, her father, and the Pope. Her idea of flirting was to look directly into my eyes, kind of the way a cat does--ie: it was almost non-human like. She giggled, burped a few times, chewed with her mouth open, and dreamed about the day Republicans would rule the country forever.
It was one of the most fascinating and terrible nights of my life. After the dinner party she asked me if I wanted to go out for a drink (as though she needed another). I told her I was going to meet a guy I had a crush on. That ended that.
Peggy Noonan is only one of the punditry hacks whose regular, roundtable gigs are to dispense with her supposed knowledge that is no better than anything you can get anywhere.
You do have to take notice that she is an annoying star-wannabe. As if she had missed her calling to perform in the [italic]theater[/italic]! For one thing, Noonan likes to draw out her answers and comments as if she is into herself, the very sound of her [italic]eloquent[/italic] voice, and wants all others to hang on to her every syllable, her every breath.
Peggy Noonan is in love with not only the sound of her voice ... she is into everything that [italic]is[/italic] Peggy Noonan. The former Ronald Reagan speechwriter, who doesn't even have anything noteworthy to say about her own party, does not have a clue that she is an out of touch, incessant bore.
GREAT story, r41!!
I read Peggy's column every week just because I get such enjoyment out of my hatred for her and her totally out-of-touch pronouncements about "the mood of the country" and the like. She is so invested in her vision of herself as being able to take the pulse of America, and she is usually way off (witness her column a few days before Election Day about how support for Romney was "quietly sweeping the land", or some other similarly ridiculous phrase).
[quote]This time, I agree with Noonan. I can't support killing infants,
Unless it's actually born...or needs financial help...or is in a third world.
I think a 5 month old fetus deserves some protection. 5 month old fetuses are a lot different than 5 week old fetuses.
Five month old fetuses have plenty of protection, R45. Late term abortions are so rare as to be almost unheard of and are only done to save the mother's life.
That means you think life begins with conception and not at birth.
r46, aren't there some abortions done of five-month-or-older fetuses because of some disability detected in the fetus (which I'm fine with, by the way)?
I don't think so, R48. To my knowledge that's only a freeper meme and it's not actually done. Years ago there were a few hopitals in the U.S. that still did them in extreme circumstances but nearly all of them have stopped. Maybe women go out of the country to have them done?
Five month abortion is a rallying cry for anti-abortion groups.
R24, what the fuck are you doing on DL?
You're either too stupid to understand the issue (talking about killing infants is proof) or too conservative to let yourself understand why abortions happen and need to stay legal (not enough homes for unwanted children; far better an embryo be aborted than develop into a fetus and be born into an abusive home; rape rape rape), or you're religious and knee-jerk (see above: too stupid to understand issue).
Yet you keep defending your own stupidity. Are you gay and stupid or straight and stupid? If the former, maybe you should lurk. If the latter, don't have an abortion yourself and get the fuck off a liberal GLBT site. If bi... nah, you see things in black-and-white. You're not bi.
[quote]Of course, no one else supports killing infants either, so you're in good company.
She got all this mileage out of writing a few speeches for people?
[quote]She got all this mileage out of writing a few speeches for people?
Well, that and the ability to suck a golf ball through a 100' garden hose.
R41 I wonder if Peggy wanted to be seduced? A few more drinks and then voila' a blow job from Reagan's favorite femme fatale!She must have some serious kinks, Repub women are repressed. I bet Ms Nooner swallows.....
Oh and Peg is in love with the sound of her own voice.She sounds like a drunken version of William F Buckley form hell, if you can imagine that.....
R39, I believe that the law should not interfere with a woman's decisions about her body.
If you don't try to get the law involved with women making those decisions, I won't ask you to give money to abortion clinics or encourage women to abort.
There's a difference between having the right to make a decision & actually making it. Some things are beyond the purview of the law & making decisions about whether a woman should have a baby is one of them.
Kirsten Powers: I Don’t Stand With Wendy Davis
by Kirsten Powers Jul 2, 2013 4:45 AM EDT
Stand with the pink-sneakered Texas legislator and her fight to allow mothers to abort babies past the 20th week of pregnancy? Never—and most women wouldn’t either, says Kirsten Powers.
It’s amazing what is considered heroism these days.
A Texas legislator and her pink sneakers have been lionized for an eleventh-hour filibuster against a bill that would have made it illegal for mothers to abort babies past 20 weeks of pregnancy, except in the case of severe fetal abnormalities or to protect the life or health of the mother.
People actually cheered this.But the fight is not over. The bill will be reintroduced, and supporters of the ban are optimistic it will pass. For now, Wendy Davis has achieved the dubious victory of maintaining a very dark status quo. Texas women will still be able to abort a healthy baby up to the 26th week of pregnancy for any reason, as the current law allows.
According to the Parents Connect website, if you are in the 25th week of your pregnancy, “Get ready for pat-a-cake! Baby’s hands are now fully developed and he spends most of his awake time groping around in the darkness of your uterus. Brain and nerve endings are developed enough now so that your baby can feel the sensation of touch.” Let’s be clear: Davis has been called a hero for trying to block a bill that would make aborting this baby illegal.
In addition to the limit on late-term abortions, the Texas legislature sought to pass regulations on abortion clinics similar to what was passed in Pennsylvania in 2011 after the Gosnell horror. The New York Times warned that the Texas bill “could lead to the closing of most of Texas’s 42 abortion clinics.” That sounds familiar. In 2011, the Pennsylvania ACLU claimed a post-Gosnell bill “would effectively close most and maybe all of the independent abortion clinics in Pennsylvania.” Last month, a Pennsylvania news site reported that “several” abortion clinics have closed, which isn’t quite the Armageddon the abortion-rights movement predicted.
So no, I don’t stand with Wendy. Nor do most women, as it turns out. According to a June National Journal poll, 50 percent of women support, and 43 percent oppose, a ban on abortion after 20 weeks, except in cases of rape and incest.
One can assume I am also not the only woman in America who is really tiring of the Wendys of the world claiming to represent “women’s rights” in their quest to mainstream a medical procedure—elective late-term abortion—that most of the civilized world finds barbaric and abhorrent. In many European countries, you can’t get an abortion past 12 weeks, except in narrow circumstances. Gallup reported in January that 80 percent of Americans think abortion should be illegal in the third trimester, and 64 percent think it should be illegal in the second trimester.
Maybe we should wonder what is wrong with the women who think protecting the right to abort your baby for any reason up to the 26th week is a ‘human right.’
If the majority of Americans oppose elective late-term abortion, why do we have Davis complaining to CBS’s Bob Schieffer that the male politicians who are championing the late-term abortion ban are “bullying women”? Maybe it’s she who is bullying the rest of us into supporting a view that is mocked by scientific advancement; namely 3-D sonograms. Maybe we should be thankful for the men and wonder what is wrong with the women who think protecting the right to abort your baby for any reason up to the 26th week is a “human right.”
Human-rights movements have traditionally existed to help the voiceless and those without agency gain progressively more rights. Yet in the case of abortion, the voiceless have progressively lost rights at the hands of people who claim to be human-rights crusaders. Abortion-rights leaders have turned the world upside down. They want us to believe that a grown woman is voiceless, that she has less agency than the infant in her womb who relies on her for life. A woman has so little agency, we are told, that she is incapable of getting an abortion before the fifth month of her pregnancy. To suggest she should do so is a “war on women.” It’s an insult to women dressed up as “women’s rights.”
On ABC’s This Week, Peggy Noonan responded to the chants of “I stand with Wendy” by noting, “What she is ... standing for is something we would recognize as infanticide, late-term abortion, the taking of a little child’s life.” Standing for that is not heroic, and it is not something to be cheered.
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[quote]Wendy Davis Stood for 'Infanticide'
Peggy Noonan stood to pee.
As someone mentioned she's like William F. Buckley Jr. In SO many ways.
A gaseous wind bag, covered in gin-blossoms,that drones on and on and on.... Spewing the same deluded party-line bullshit trying to sound like intellectuals.
I also think the days when someone like Gore Vidal would be sitting across from idiots like this and would effortlessly take them apart with ACTUAL intelligence. The closest thing we have to that is Rachel Maddow. I believe a well spoken liberal point of view is missing from the Sunday morning propaganda. I just can't be bothered anymore.
agree r60 and thanks for that delicious story r41!
I rarely watch Meet the Press anymore for the reason r60 states. And when I did watch, the person that pissed me off the worst was Carly Fioni (sp) -God what an insufferable twat.
Made millions off the backs of the employees at HP.
Kirsten Powers is a Fox hack pretending to be a Democrat. I hate the fake liberals on Fox even more than I hate their right-wingers.
R61 Rachel Maddow is a clueless cunt! She's like the left's Hannity. When she went on Maher and commented that she didn't give her opinion ,she did reportage she totally fucking lost me. She's also chummy with Roger Ailes...WTF?
R62 I don't agree. She's a "mainstream" Democrat BUT plays to the Faux News Channel audience.Old Rupert doesn't mind certain Democrats. Remember when the pres savaged Hilary Clinton during the last presidential primary season and Fox was the only outlet not gainsaying her? It seems that old Rupert wanted her to be President!
During last week’s controversy over Texas Senate Bill 5, National Journal released a poll which found that by a 48-44 margin, Americans favor banning abortion after 20 weeks of gestation. The survey results were not particularly surprising. A substantial body of polling data indicates that Americans are more likely to support, rather than oppose, incremental pro-life legislation. However, what is more interesting is the demographic breakdown. The results of the National Journal poll indicate that 50 percent of women support the 20-week abortion ban. Similarly, individuals under 30 supported the ban by a 52-39 margin.
Texas voters remain split on the permissibility of abortion but favor banning the procedure after 20 weeks of a pregnancy, according to the latest University of Texas/Texas Tribune Poll.
The survey also found a divergence of opinion about public schools: Voters with school-age children give schools much better ratings than all voters as a group.
The divide on abortion — evident in past UT/TT polls — persists. Forty-six percent of Texas voters say it should never be permitted or permitted only in cases involving incest, rape or when the woman's life is in danger. On the other hand, 49 percent say it should be allowed after the need for an abortion has been clearly established, or that the choice should be completely left to the woman. Within those numbers, 16 percent said abortion should never be allowed, and 36 percent said that a woman should always be able to get an abortion as a matter of personal choice.
Laws restricting abortion should be stricter, according to 38 percent of the respondents, while 26 percent said the laws should be less strict and 21 percent said they should be left as they are now.
“What you see is what you would expect in a relatively red state,” said poll co-director Daron Shaw, a professor of government at the University of Texas at Austin. “It’s a slight pro-life lean. It’s probably pushed a little bit because of the question about late-term abortions.The poll split a question about abortions after 20 weeks — an effort to see whether talking in the context of fetal pain changed the responses of Texas voters. It didn’t: 62 percent said they would support “prohibiting abortions after 20 weeks based on the argument that a fetus can feel pain at that point,” and that same percentage said they support “prohibiting abortions after 20 weeks.” Nearly half — 49 percent in the first question and 47 percent in the second — said they would strongly support those prohibitions.
“In terms of substantive policy, most of this is not particularly right-wing,” Shaw said. “Maybe the abortion stuff. These are abortion positions that are actually not strongly opposed — there is a 2-to-1 preference for that.”
It’s a strongly partisan issue, however, with 85 percent of Republicans in favor of the ban and nearly half of the Democrats against it. Fewer than 10 percent of Republicans oppose the 20-week ban; fewer than two in five Democrats support it.
Does she take it up the poop chute? Is she into s and M? She must blow and swallow......
She's a shitty bottom.
And she speaks soooooooo slowly.
She's like Maya Angelou in whiteface.
R63 -- there are times I wonder whether Maddow is either clueless, or deliberately disingenuous in her "facts", myself in her stories.
Agree with R61. Seeing Peggy Noonan blab is like watching a traffic accident. Carly Fiorina is a nasty lying bitch, who triggers an immediate grab for the remote and channel change.
OP, I did watch Noonan spout that stuff on Sunday. As I said in the other Noonan thread, she really is farther to the right than Reagan or anyone else. Remember the scene in the DaVinci code where Paul Bettany's character was whipping himself? That's what I picture Peggy doing while fantasizing about Reagan.
"That's what I picture Peggy doing while fantasizing about Reagan."
Throw in some fantasies about John Paul II as well. I love this sentence from the Times Book Review about her book JOHN PAUL THE GREAT: "The result is a valentine sent to a man she knew mainly from watching television, written in the idiom of spiritual gush."
R63 Rachel Maddow made quick work of Ralph Reed & Jim DiMint when they tried the GOP straw-man-double-speak bullshit about marriage equality,this weekend.
Didn't know she was friends with Roger Ailes!?
sad woman, she is/
R78, she would have but David Gregory cut her off before she got going, after letting DeMint drone on and on. Really pissed me off.
Let me finish that for you R81: wat
So we saw this perfectly illustrated today when we had pro-life folks in Texas singing the hymn Amazing Grace while screaming pro-abortioners shouting “Hail Satan”. Yep, that about sums it all up. And that was not all to be found here.
The pro-abortion activists even had children holding up profane posters with slogans like this: “If I wanted the government in my womb, I would f*** a senator.” What a lovely and gracious bunch.
R83, enough of the sanctimonious lies. Anyone who teams up with Fred Phelps has nothing to brag about.
Fred Phelps? prove that claim
Live with it, R83.
If Peggy is a lush, what does she typically drink?