****SOFT BREAKING**** US Supreme Court has again issued no ruling in its morning opinion release on DOMA or Prop 8
Court will issue opinions (or holds) on these cases later this week before leaving town for their break.
Will post the day when it's posted.
There are other things equally important OP. No need to be so self-involved.
But they did gut the voting rights act.
[quote]There are other things equally important OP. No need to be so self-involved.
Exactly what is equally important that would be breaking in the next couple of days, r1? Where Snowden is? Darrell Issa's scandal du jour?
Of course, there are problems all over the world that are important but these are ongoing. It being concerned about an issue that directly impacts our community is "self-involvement" by your definition, then so be it.
Fuck you R1. Fuck you hard.
Final day tomorrow, last day of opinions for term, just announced by Chief Justice.
Datalounge, lets meet tomorrow at the Supreme Court.
Today's gutting of the voting rights act IS huge news. Horrifying news.
Horrifying news, and likely a portent of what's to come tomorrow.
If they are willing to do this to the voting rights act, I don't see them doing anything progressive regarding gay rights....
So what is everyone's opinion. I think the best we can hope for is:
1) DOMA struck down.
2) Prop 8 won't have standing and the lower courts ruling stands. So Prop 8 falls away.
'Soft Breaking' -- Jesus Christ on a Crutch! Don't you think we watch the news?!
I am afraid, after THIS ruling, that DOMA will stand.
There are, in fact, real problems with the Voting Rights Act, stemming mainly from the political reality that Congress is unable to articulate new standards for identifying voting districts in need of federal oversight; instead, it just keeps reenacting the old and patently out-of-date criteria.
I'm not sure what can be done about this, in practical terms. Getting Congress to agree on new criteria (for places like Shelby County) will be a gargantuan task.
I'm pretty sure that SCOTUS is about to set the gay rights movement back by about 100 years...
[quote]Final day tomorrow, last day of opinions for term, just announced by Chief Justice.
I thought Thursday was the last day for rulings?
[quote]I'm pretty sure that SCOTUS is about to set the gay rights movement back by about 100 years
We're not going to lose anything that we already had. The most a negative ruling can do is delay the coming of full equality. We're going to get there, the question is when, not if.
[quote]Will post the day when it's posted.
O FANK YOU! I'm sure nobody else has got this covered!
Yeah, what IS it with all these slobbering fatties monitoring the news on their home computers and then breathlessly 'filling the rest of us in' on what's happening when the world offers any NUMBER of ways to receive breaking news, now???
Everyone born in the United States was issued a Birth Certificate available from the municipality where your arrival occurred. If you can't be bothered to obtain a copy, the election board should not allow you to vote.
[quote] Everyone born in the United States was issued a Birth Certificate available from the municipality where your arrival occurred. If you can't be bothered to obtain a copy, the election board should not allow you to vote.]
When I first registered to vote in 1981, I was not required to show ID, nor was I required to produce a birth certificate. When I changed my registration, due to a new address, new name or political affiliation, again I was not required to show proof of identity.
Why should that change now?
Birth Certificate is kinda overboard, imho. But I see nothing wrong with having to show ID. Why WOULDN'T you want to have your identity verified when voting?
Ever since 9/11 I bring my passport with me wherever I travel ... even domestically. Why is this so difficult or even any kind of infringement?
I wish we DID have a federally issued credit card sized ID card.
Lots of people don't have a valid Id, study after study has shown this yet people can't see outside of their own lives to realize and understand that.
Has someone kicked a stiletto heel up R1's ass yet? If not....
What's to understand, r24? Who the fuck is not capable of getting a valid ID? If you are a functioning human being in 2013, regardless of class, race, age, cultural background - failure or inability to obtain a valid ID is complete and utter bullshit.
There is more to it than that, r26, and if you would take your head outta your rear you might eventually 'get it'.
YOU, R27, I am sure to be very capable. You are grossly underestimating many citizens in our country. I spend my days helping people navigate systems that SHOULD be simple, but are not. Why? Because "we" often DON'T want them to get through "the door." THAT, my friend, is reality.
Not a valid answer, r27 - presuming you have one.
In a lot of places, you need a birth certificate (hard enough to get) to get an ID, but you need a photo ID to get a birth certificate. This is only one example.
R26 is an ignorant tool... a perfect example of white male privilege in action.
r30, why is a birth certificate hard to get?
Many elderly do not have access to them, especially minorities and immigrants and children of immigrants.
Look, your ignorance doesn't change reality, so instead of being an asshole about it (sitting on your pedestal of privilege as you are), why don't you try educating yourself.
You can start here... it's an easy-to-read puff-piece, but it's a start. Maybe your mind might open a crack and you won't be so self-absorbed that you think everyone has all the same experiences, abilities, and privileges as you...
R30 is right. I moved lost my DL during the move to another state and decided to just get my new DL in my new state. Without my old DL I needed my birth certificate. Did not have one so went to get it. I needed ID to get it. My mother had to go get it for me and since she had remarried and her name was different had to use her marriage license to prove who she was in addition to her DL.
I am 44. Father is dead. What would have happened if she was also dead?
The more hoops there are to jump through to vote, the easier it is for bigots and those in power to manipulate the hoops so that people who vote "their" way have an easy time voting, while those that don't, ... don't.
We've seen this time and time again, as recently as the very last election.
How you can be ignorant of something so OBVIOUS, with so much historical precedent, is stunning to me.
You're an asshole, R33. White and privileged, my ass. You know absolutely NOTHING about me or my background. YOUR racism is blinding.
Asshole. (bears repeating)
How do people function in modern society without some form of identification?
r37, do you think Vladimir Putin carries an ID?
[quote]How do people function in modern society without some form of identification?
That's true. To get welfare you need identification. There's no excuse not to have it. The only people that have any excuse to be without identification are the homeless. You need identification for essentials. There's no way around it. The poor need identification if they want benefits. These excuses are ridiculous.
R32 for starters, you often need a PHOTO ID.
See where this is going?
[quote]Everyone born in the United States was issued a Birth Certificate available from the municipality where your arrival occurred.
Not true. Due to paper shortages in the early 1940s, there were birth records issued in some cities with a list of everyone born that day and the names of the parents.
DOMA is dead.
Prop 8 is dead, but only in California.
And FYI, a passport is surprisingly not a valid ID to everyone. I have had a passport rejected at the post office, by the police, as ID when using a credit card, etc.
[quote]Prop 8 is dead, but only in California.
Prop 8 is not in any other state, thus it's only dead in the state where it existed.