We are apparently just as intolerant and bigoted as the rest of the world. It's disheartening to see how many of us hate trans people, and call bisexuals liars, and openly (on DL, at least) denigrate Jews and African Americans.
You'd think we'd have learned something from being discriminated against and spat at and killed. You'd think we'd have more solidarity with other "outsiders."
But you'd be wrong.
Tiresome finger-pointing, just like everyone else?
Feel better now, OP?
OP, you sound fat.
You're not "disheartened" toots. You live to get up on your soap box.
Speak for yourself, op, your sweeping generalizations about gays is completely unfounded.
If you are basing your opinion on this idiot site, where shills, faux gays, and other degenerates spew venom, your not looking at the real world.
We all need someone to feel superior to.
"We are apparently just as intolerant and bigoted as the rest of the world."
Well, yes. That's pretty much the argument for gay rights. We're just like everybody else. Not worse. But also, realistically, not better.
Maybe you're confused because both fairies and angels have wings. But a fairy is no angel.
I think this was covered in a True Blood episode last season. I'm not sure. I just watch it for the beefcake and occasional gay content.
Don't forget cunts, OP. We hate cunts, too!
And Asians. And Arabs. And (yuck) East Indians. And non-macho Latinos.
And most of all smarmy, inauthentic race baiters such as you. At least when I posted a similar thread last week I was being sincere about it.
OP is a trans-bi, black jew!
It's really true, OP. And women are just as sexist as men, visible minorities just as racist as whites, etc. We're all equal in our hating.
OP is correct. S/he evidently pushed a lot of buttons on DL. "Soapbox"? Please. You people constantly do the same re the subjects that matter to you.
Except history doesn't show that to be true, does it, R10? If only sexism and racism were about hurt feelings. Of course the OP is correct. Except I'd go a bit further and say all of the isms are much worse in the LGBT "community." Remember that a large portion of said community finds black-face entertaining and humorous.
Once again, every single comment appearing on Data Lounge is being attributed to gay people, even though half of the posters here are straight. You'll also notice that none of these "allies" whose presence we're supposed to be so thankful for are stepping up to correct this inaccuracy, as usual.
It's seriously past time for DL to follow in AfterElton's footsteps and drop the gay identity. We have enough of our own failings to deal with; we don't need to have every anonymous straight person's failings dumped on our shoulders as well.
There's no doubt, OP, that EVERYONE at DL thinks alike. So glad you finally noticed.
Gay people are a minority on DL.
Sadly, gays are shallow and racist and mean and selfish.
Being gay does not make you a better person.
Feels like it, doesn't it, R15?
OP, Datalounge has morphed into a safe place for self loathers, racists, women hating, sex phobic bigots. Don't confuse it with most gay people.
OP, Show me the gay people voting to deprive other minorities of civil rights. Show me the gay people meeting every Sunday to label others as sinful. Show me the gay people who gather in gangs with baseball bats to bash minorities...
...Show me all that, and then we'll talk about how "intolerant" gays are. Til then: shut the fuck up.
Meh. OP is just another moron who hasn't been paying attention and/or hasn't been on the DL very long.
We have an infestation of racist, homophobic idiots here. They are not gay. They don't belong on the DL at all. They're Westboro or Stormfront or a similiar fucktard-hate group.
There's no point blaming it on gay people. I blame the Webmaster for not banning the shit stains.
Take a look at this, R19. And J Edgar Hoover sure did a lot of irreversible damage to a minority group. I can keep going.
No one ever said there was NO racism in the gay community, r21.
I'd like to see a similar page on "Racism among heterosexuals" though of course there is none. When a het does something racist, it doesn't count as "heterosexual racism." Still, it would be interesting to read about all the violent hate crimes committed by heterosexual people in that context.
And J. Edgar doesn't really count as being in the gay community since he wasn't openly gay. Closeted gays are a breed apart and technically still bat for the straight team.
I'm sorry but your last sentence implied that gays aren't all that intolerant. But then you say no one said there wasn't racism in the gay community.J Edgar Hoover most definitely counts.
Gays aren't intolerant when compared with the violence, racism, human rights violations segregation, and homophobia that are rampant in the heterosexual population, dear.
Doesn't mean that racism doesn't exist among gay people.
It's not a terribly difficult or complicated paradigm, but I see it's well beyond your capacity.
r21/23= freeper troll btw
people don't like people who aren't the same:
Yet we're talking about gay racism and you continue to bring up heterosexuals in a lame attempt to divert from the issue. Somehow heterosexuals don't sell out shows featuring black-face all across the country. Somehow heterosexuals appear to know that black-face is wrong, gays don't. My black friend once told me that you'll find more gay black people in any random black church than you would in Castro or similar places. I think that speaks to the extreme racism and segregation in the gay community that most of you dismiss as not that bad or not as bad as heterosexuals.
Once we get marriage equality and full civil rights, there will be a mass exodus of gay men from the democratic party to the republican party. Mark my words.
[quote]My black friend
Oh lord, R27. *Cringe*
R25/R29= another lame attempt to deflect because the truth hurts too bad.
Yeah, J. Edgar Hoover counts as gay. He's in his own special category and hopefully in his own special room in hell.
Still waiting for the proof that gays are more racists than straights, that gays are spending their time denying others their rights, gathering on Sunday to denigrate others not like them (while the music is being played and performed by a majority of straight people)
Good read, though I'm sure most of you won't read it.
Gays at receiving end of bias claim / Investigation at Castro bar opens dialogue about prejudice
Wyatt Buchanan, Chronicle Staff Writer
Published 4:00 am, Sunday, June 26, 2005
They are among the most maligned groups in society, but when it comes to discrimination, many say, gays can give as good as they get.
A city investigation of S.F. Badlands, one of the largest and most popular bars in the heart of the Castro neighborhood, has added evidence to that argument. In April, the San Francisco Human Rights Commission found that the bar discriminated against African American customers and job applicants.
That finding, which is vigorously disputed by the bar's owner, is elevating the murmurs of racism in the gay community to a national discussion. National gay media have followed the controversy, and comedian Margaret Cho blogged about the bar -- and racism -- after a tour stop in San Francisco.
"not as bad as heterosexuals."
Because it's not.
And r29 is right. We cringe at your racist paradigms. Want to heal racism? Start with the troll in the mirror, dear.
[quote]Closeted gays are a breed apart and technically still bat for the straight team.
Agree. Closeted homos who pursue straight interests are doing just that - acting on behalf of straights.
J. Edgar Hoover is a pathetic example. Besides being dead and from another era, he didn't even acknowledge his homosexuality. Straights never had a better ally.
A much better example would be Log Cabin Republicans - at least these freaks are alive.
I think R19's other two questions have yet to be answered.
1. Gay people voting to deprive other minorities of civil rights: Log Cabin Republicans
2. Show me the gay people meeting every Sunday to label others as sinful: ?????
3. Show me the gay people who gather in gangs with baseball bats to bash minorities: ?????
It's a statistical fact that gay men are more likely to lived in more integrated neighborhoods and be in interracial relationships than heterosexuals.
Are there racist white gay men? Sure, of course. And they are assholes.
But sometimes it seems like when some guys talk about "gay racism" what they are actually really are talking about are "white guys, who I pursue to the exclusion of men of my own race (or other visible minorities), don't give me enough sexual attention".
R34. What civil rights are lcr's voting against? Be specific. Name the rights and the specific proposition/initiative which sought to withdraw them. I may not agree with lcr's but at least I can see that they're not voting to deprive others of civil rights.
This is the gay white stance. Gay racism isn't as bad as heterosexual racism ( even though they know black-face is wrong and even though gay bars had No Blacks signs) so let's ignore it, it doesn't matter, let's get gay marriage! And R28, you forgot to add white in front of gay. A huge percentage of white gay vote Republican anyway. Why else would the average be 76%? And did Obama even get 50% of the white vote?
Prove that statistic, R35. It seems to me that all the black gays flock to Atlanta or DC.
[quote]My black friend once told me that you'll find more gay black people in any random black church than you would in Castro or similar places.
He forgot to add that they're all in the closet as they listen to their homophobic preacher speaking out against gay equality.
Poor R34, you can't except that Hoover was a homo( who hated blacks and other POC as most of you do) and he did a lot of damage to a minority group, irreversible damage.
Right, R39 as if a gay white man would know anything about black gay people.
R35 nails it, troll, and you know it.
[quote]What civil rights are lcr's voting against? Be specific.
Log cabinettes don't vote for legislation. They vote for senators and representatives who vote on legislation.
"It seems to me that all the black gays flock to Atlanta or DC."
Spoken like a true racist: generalizing about "all black gays" do such and such.
R35, because everyone is attracted to white guys (but you're not racist). You clearly didn't read the article I posted ( I knew you wouldn't) which talks about things like employment discrimination. But to you it's all about sex and wanting white men.
[quote]you can't except that Hoover
Did you mean 'accept?'
Hoover never accepted he was a homo. Not sure why it's incumbent on us to do so.
Fail, r43. Name a politician endorsed by lcr's that has voted against civil rights for other minorities.
Right R44, since I have eyes I can see that Atlanta and DC are full of gay black men while Castro and the like aren't. And it's obviously for a reason.
LOL, R46, so desperate. Yet everyday you claim some movie star is gay and they don't seem to accept that they are homo but somehow you do. Desperation.
Well, then, r48, since you have eyes maybe you can see that Pacific Heights, Georgetown, the Upper West Side, and Buckhead aren't exactly full of heterosexual blacks and whites joining hands and singing kumbaya. The Castro is a model of integration and cooperation compared to most middle and upper class white neighborhoods, where black and white seldom meet or interact.
That's hilarious, R50. Spoken like a true white gay man who doesn't experience racism but is somehow an expert on racism in the gay community. Somehow your expertise always leads you to conclude that it's not that bad and should be ignored. Most of you have graduated from the Dan Savage School of Gay; therefore, you only care about gay white men. You can't even get along with white lesbians. Your Castro comment did make me giggle, though.
[quote]Yet everyday you claim some movie star is gay and they don't seem to accept that they are homo but somehow you do.
I've never claimed any straight celebrity was gay. I am interested in the lives of out gay celebrities, though. Closet cases hold no fascination for me.
What's your deal with Hoover, anyway? How is he relevant to the amount of racism one might encounter in today's gay life?
Look at how yellow this thread gets when you trolldar r21. Who is also r23, r27, r30, r32, r37, r38, r40, r41, r45, r48, and r49.
What are you getting at R51? You are posting endlessly in this thread. Are you trying to add something?
Racism in GLBT Culture
Filed By Chip Clapp | August 25, 2008 2:00 PM | 0
Filed in: The Movement
Tags: bars, culture, music, racism, society
Welcome to my first blog for Bilerico-Florida. I'm going to jump right into the offensiveness and say- For those activists who compare the fight of the GLBT community to the fight of African Americans in the 60's, please stop. Until we can say that we do not have racism within our own community, we cannot claim the benefit that movement gave this nation.
My father was American of European descent. My mother is Puerto Rican. I am keenly aware of race, and more so in the gay community which purports it's equality for all. I fought as a child in the US to be able to learn the language and heritage on my mother's side of the family, which I never saw reflected in the media. In high school I won out and was able to study as I wanted. I wanted to learn so that I could prove that even in my differences I was equal.
Being gay and seeing the same things on a societal level, I expected gays to be much more open about race relations. I was proven wrong in the city of Atlanta, where my white "friends" were appalled that I would want to go into a "swirl" bar, where chocolate and vanilla mixed. I didn't see anything wrong, but karaoke called me elsewhere, while that memory came with me. Although the city and its gay culture was integrated de juris, it was segregated de facto.
After I moved to Fort Lauderdale in 2001, with the mixed Caribbean demographic, I expected a much more open society would greet me in the new millennium. 7 and a half years later, however, I still see the same behavior, which brings me to the point of this blog:
I was visiting a friend in a bar and I know the video jockey. I love coming in on Sundays because he plays slightly more urban music, so he gives a good dance beat with just a little more edge. He likes the music and the customers that come to listen to him spin like the music. It's a win-win situation... until you bring management into it. Apparently, one of his higher-ups ordered him to not play any more "black" music... ever. Now I know that people across the country reading this may not know the bar or have been inside, but you should hear the boys yell "HOO!" Every time Mary J.'s "Just Fine" comes on. But alas, no more Mary. No more Missy. No more Whitney. And especially no more Li'l Kim.
It's obvious to a regular that the crowd that comes when my friend plays comes for the music. It's different than what they get from the other VJ's and they enjoy it. But that is all ending because he can no longer play "black" music. I realize that there may be a cultural difference between those issuing the orders and the artists, but if they looked at their crowd, they might see the difference is a little less than they think- The crowd loves it. Not only are they being racist and profiling artists, they are also limiting the VJ and crowd's freedom of speech.
I didn't have a solution for him that might not put my friend's job in danger other than telling him to play artists that aren't black- like Eminem, Pink (when she first started), Joss Stone and some of Ricky Martin's Latin music. The list of artists that tap into what may traditionally be considered a certain demographic's music can keep going on, but for all of the incredible music created that bridges race, class, religion and nationality, there are still too many people out there unwilling to hear beyond borders of visual difference.
When our own equality movement moves to eradicate perceptions of inequality within our own culture, then we have a chance of moving forward with equality from without.
tl;dr R55. I know how to find stories on the web. Again, what are you adding to this message board?
...and r51 and r54...
R52, please you guys do this every damn day. I'm laughing at the idea that Hoover doesn't count. Well, many, many people think he does. Did those anti-black signs outside gay bars not count either?
R53, I'm sorry I told the truth and you couldn't handle it.
" Your Castro comment did make me giggle, though."
Well, good. Giggle more often and maybe you won't seem like such a humorless loser pathetically trying to denigrate all gay men as racists,
Wow. Trolldar r58 and the thread lights up like a Christmas tree.
Latinos stage Castro rally against racism
Charges of racism against Latinos within the LGBT community will be addressed during an "Evening of Protest and Education" scheduled to be held at 6:30 p.m. Friday, April 21 at Harvey Milk Plaza at Market and Castro streets in San Francisco.
Individuals in the LGBT community, according to Miguel Bustos, a protest organizer, scheduled the event following reports of verbal attacks on gay Latinos.
"After the immigrant community started voicing their opposition to the proposed immigration reform, many LGBTQ women and men of color are now being attacked by many within our own community," said Bustos.
Bustos said some gay Latino community members have been called "wetbacks" and have been told, "to go back where we came from."
"This racist sentiment is not new, but has actually been around for a long time," he said. "Racism, sexism, ageism, and elitism in our LGBTQ community are alive and well."
Eric Arguello, another protest organizer, said he knew of at least two recent verbal confrontations against Latinos made by known members of the LGBT community.
"I do not think any police reports were made about these, though," he said.
John Mendoza, one of the individuals who said he was a target of a recent verbal attack, said he plans on being at the rally on Friday.
"It is sad to me, as a born U.S. citizen and gay Latino man, that because of my skin color and size I am a target of hate and racism," said Mendoza. "In a community that right now is fighting for equal rights and gay marriage, this type of hate and outright racism is alive and well. For people to stand by and say nothing is more of a crime in itself."
Mendoza said the incident occurred the night of March 25 when he was in front of a Castro restaurant waiting to order some food.
"A young white gay male around 25 years old stepped in front of me and insisted he was going in first. When I disagreed, he stood in front of me anyway. I told him he was not going to get in before me," according to Mendoza.
He said the man turned to him and told him "go back to Mexico, you fucking wetback, where you belong."
Mendoza said he was so shocked by the remark that he actually took a swing at the man.
He said police were in the area, arrived on the scene, and interviewed each party but no arrests where made.
"I hope the message of unity and tolerance and understanding gets out to the public. It is important for people to know we will not put up with this hate in the Castro or San Francisco," said Mendoza. "Gays coming into San Francisco are looking for a better life and leaving their family and friends in search of this better life."
Mendoza added that he thought the attitude expressed by the man was evident by many in the Castro area, especially "young kids" who "have this type of attitude and want to assimilate to what they think the Castro should be."
The city's Human Rights Commission, according to Larry Brinkin, senior contract compliance officer, has received no reports of recent incidents of verbal harassment.
"We know this kind of thing is going on and take this very seriously," Brinkin said.
Brinkin said the LGBT Advisory Committee to the HRC plans on addressing the issue as part of its upcoming project on immigration. The commission recently welcomed 12 new members with diverse cultural backgrounds to the advisory committee.Â
Bustos said he felt the evidence of racism in the gay community could also be found in the lack of support to many minority agencies.
"It [racism] is evident in the recent struggle against our black sisters and brothers in the Castro. It can be seen in the lack of support ... like AGUILAS gets from the mainstream LGBTQ community," Bustos said.
Bustos was referring to the racial discrimination charges against Badlands bar that were upheld in an HRC staff report. Badlands bar owner Les Natali and the complainants reached a mediation settlement in January following the 19-month dispute. Terms of the settlement have not been publicly disclosed. Natali has consistently denied the racism alle
There you go with your racism again, R59, you assume all gay men are white. It's obvious that I'm not talking about all gay men. Those who deny that racism, sexism, antisemitism...are major problems in this so called community are also racist and bigoted.
You guys just need to end this because you'll go back and forth all night and nothing will be solved. As an AA I'm very well aware of the racism that exists in the gay community. But I don't think we will solve the problem on a gay gossip board.
This board should be fun. Sure we can exchange ideas about race, gender, religion, ethnicity in a calm, mature manner. But it never works out like that. It always ends bad. That's why we should avoid these topics. Just keep DL fun and lighthearted. Threads like this aren't helpful. You guys are hostile and at each other's throats. It's not solving anything. Just let it go.
Forgive typos and mistakes, I'm on my phone again.
Your are correct. Actually based upon the ignorant bigots here on data lounge I would say gays are even more prejudice and intolerant. Unfortunately, the bigots here will not allow you to have a productive discussion because you're stepping on too many toes. These people are worse that Fred Phelps and the Westboro Baptist Church. I want to congratulate R35 & R42 for their profound and unfathomable level of ignorance, narcissism and ethnocentrism. Thank you to all of the data lounge bigots you will always hold a special place in my black man heart. Love u
R35 nailed it. If you read the other post linking gay people to racism on Wiki, way down the middle of the page it talks about how Asian gays feel they are suffering from "sexual racism"
Really? We have had that discussion before on the DL. If Asian gays would stop chasing white gays as some sort of prize or status symbol they would realizes they are just as racist looking down upon other gays who happen to be black, Hispanic or even Asian.
Isn't everything about sex with gay males.
What I'd like to know is why aren't blacks outraged by the fact that gay white males are consistently adopting, raping and pimping little black boys? Is this not racism? There are some who brag about adopting little black boys and talk about how easy it is to get them and then rape and pimp them out. Is this not racism? Do blacks not care? Have they been so brainwashed by the liberal extremists that they don't care about something like this? This is an outrage. Black, white, blue, green we should all be outraged.
R66, please go back to free republic where you belong.
You are insane. You hate gay people. You don't belong here. We don't want you here.
Boy if you look at that Wiki page you'll probably see some things you didn't know about. "No Blacks, Femmes, Faggots" signs outside gay bars is pretty interesting. You know, during the Harlem Renaissance, black gays allowed white gays into their clubs with no problem, you know because they really had no where else to go. It's funny how there were no "No Whites, Femmes, Faggots" signs anywhere. It's crazy to think that there is just one common denominator in all of that hatred.
R67-don't you have an adopted black male toddler to molest and pimp out to your gay friends for cash? Or maybe you're just good at multi-tasking.
r69, please have an aneurysm.
R70-please stop molesting adopted male babies.
Provide proof r71, otherwise you're a dumb cunt trolling a gay website. I hope you're big fat momma comes down to your basement and shoots you cos she thinks yer one of dem dar queers.
Be sure to read it thoroughly, Chester.
Duke U. Official Caught in Alleged Child Sex Sting
By JACK DATE (@JackDate)
June 26, 2009
A Duke University official has been charged in federal court with offering his 5-year-old adopted son up for sex. Frank Lombard, associate director of the Center for Health Policy, was arrested Wednesday in Raleigh, the FBI said.
An unidentified informant who already faces child porn charges in a different child sex case pointed investigators to Lombard, according to court documents. The informant told investigators he had met Lombard on the Internet four years ago. The informant described in graphic detail how he allegedly observed Lombard molesting an African-American child on four occasions over an Internet video chat service called ICUii.
ONE case? Sorry, but I could find hundreds of links of heterosexuals murdering their children, and you find ONE case? Is it safe to say all heterosexuals murder their kids?
You're a special brand of idiot, aren't you?
I assure you that I don't come to data lounge to solve the problems created by bigotry and prejudice. I come for entertainment. However every other thread serves up a healthy dose of bigotry; sometimes subtly and sometimes overtly. It does not matter what the topic is; the bigots show up and ruin all the fun. It is not just this thread or threads that actually address prejudice. It is I repeat most of the threads. It gets really tedious and tiresome. We show up for good gay gossip and entertainment. Unfortunately we get verbally smacked in the face and told how inferior blacks/minorities are to white men. Ignoring it or not having the discussion does not help. It just allows the board to be over run with bigotry. Too many people just go along with whatever and are too lazy to speak up.
'They took turns raping me': New claims of child sex abuse revealed as gay couple accused of molesting two of their 9 adopted children withdraw guilty plea and decide to go to trial
R75, I assure you that I'm on your side. Trust me, I know how things work here. You come here to relax, read gossip, laugh at funny posts, but that always gets ruined by a bigoted posts. If you're a person of color, Jewish, a woman, Muslim, transgender... Datalounge can be a hurtful and disturbing experience. I have extreme empathy so I'm always concerned about offending other people. So I never use the c-word or any other word or phrase that may offend another group. I hate to see other people be offended or mistreated so I have a tendency of speaking up or addressing an offensive situation even when it doesn't involve my "race" or gender or if it involves Jews, Muslims, and even whites. I've been bashed and called names for doing that, though.
I don't want to ramble too much I have a tendency to do that. I get what you're saying, nobody wants to come to a site hoping to read good gossip only to read racial slurs and bigoted words. And when you try to talk about racism in the gay community, gay white men reduce gay racism to minorities just want to sleep with them and can't, that's what they reduce it to. And this is because of white supremacy. Their culture has been white supremacist for centuries now. They see themselves as the ideal as better than people of color so naturally your just mad because you can't sleep with them.
Therefore, gays aren't racist, minorities are just angry because they can't sleep with whites. Never-mind the fact that most of us (especially blacks) have no interest in sleeping with them. This is why I said it can't be solved. Racism in the gay community will never be solved. We are going to have to just stay separated. White gays should have their own communities like they have now and POC should have our own(Blacks and Latinos already do) communities. You can't reason with a white supremacist ideology and a people who reduce racial issues to sex. All the racial issues around the world involving white gays is just about sex. I said in another thread that since I only date POC, I would try to be open to white guys, but after this thread and several others, I'm going to rethink that. My days are numbered on this site and I suggest that if you are a POC, a woman, Jewish, Muslim or any other minority, that you consider finding a less hostile gossip site. One that doesn't hate you. I held back my feeling on the first post but this is how I really feel. I won't be on this site much longer so I don't cary anymore.
And I agree that we will see serious white gay flight from the Democratic party once they get Federal gay marriage. As someone pointed out earlier, a large percentage already vote Republican.
I just don't care anymore
Have we forgotten? They simply can't empathize with us brown folk. This is why they, as someone said, reduce racism to ugly, angry, brown folk who desperately want to sleep with whitey the ultimate prize ( and you wonder why they say we're over-sexed when we make everything about sex). You can't expect to reason with them because your brown and they can never care about you or you concerns (why isn't this obvious by now?).
I'm brown and foreign born and from a part of the world they really hate so they for sure can't empathize with me. Obama was too brown for them to vote for yet they expect the world from that brown man they can't empathize with. So stop trying guys. After looking over that Wiki link I posted, I have to agree, gay people of color have to be segregated from white gays, otherwise there will be serious discrimination and racism. Stop applying for jobs in white gay areas and white gay establishments. Don't go to clubs that are for white gays even if the next club with people of color is miles away. Read the link and stop trying to reason with people who can't even empathize with you because of your skin color.
Brain Research: White People Lack Empathy for Brown People
By Austin Cline, About.com GuideJuly 12, 2010
There have been a lot of studies revealing unconscious and latent racism in whites but not so many studies about what might be happening physically in the brains of people expressing such unconscious attitudes. It's important for us to understand more about this because these people also typically express anti-racist sentiments and there's no reason to think that they are lying. How can a person say they support equality and sincerely believe that they support equality but then exhibit racism?
Because transgendered are mentally ill and gay people are not.
Look, if you're gay, psychology says don't change yourself, accept who you are.
So logic says that if you were transgendered they should be teaching those people to accept who they are and not try to change themselves into what they cannot be.
But they don't.
Transgendered people will never be what they seek no matter how many surgeries and pills they take.
A yahoo isn't a weeha and a weeha isn't a yahoo.
If I told a gay man, change who you are, you'd object, but if I tell a transgendered to change you lot applaud.
No wonder you all got the AIDS.
"I won't be on this site much longer."
Please take your racist gay-hating stereotyping manipulative bullshit elsewhere.
Op is fine with all of the misogyny though.
And of course the OP's point is proven.
Don't try to offer constructive criticism, OP. Generally, cubts don't like to be called out for their cuntiness.
^^or their sexist epithets.
This is R64. Don't let the bigots and their hate mongering run you away. I'm glad that you and R77 are here. Please stay and continue to confront the bigotry. The really intelligent entertaining and sophisticated people here are being drowned out by the ignorant bigoted trash. The expression "an empty barrel makes the most noise" definitely applies here. There are too many empty barrels here with nothing to offer but hate and ignorance. R82 It appears that you threw misogyny out there as a distraction but I'm going to briefly address it anyway. I personally have spoken out against the misogyny here too. It is no more acceptable than any other form of prejudice. However it is acceptable to address them separately. They are both forms of bigotry but they are not the same. R75 and R77 I look forward to hearing more from you.
A social pattern I have noticed over the years is this and obviously one size doesn't fit all, but anyway:
White folks hate black folks....
Black folks pass their hate onto gay folks....
Gay folks pass their hate onto bisexual and transgender folks.
It's a horrible downwards pecking-order of some group making another feel inferior, because they've been made to feel inferior by someone else.
Why has no one answered my questions at R66?
That is a pathetic analysis, R87
"Gay folks" don't hate "transgender folks," R87. We don't understand why they want to hang around with us, since "gay folks" are what they DON'T want to be.
Everybody please just read the study I linked to at R79. You can't reason with people who can't empathize with you because of your skin color. As I said, when you look over that wiki page, you realize that this community is required to be segregated. And for the most part, it already is. White gays need their own space and POC need their own space in order to avoid racism and discrimination.
I do notice that gay POC tend to be more accepting of lesbians, bisexuals, and transgender men and women. in Fact, in some scenes transgender women are idolized and revered. Transgender women are the stars of the ballroom scene. But before I get too off topic, just read my linked study at R79. One more thing. I think it's pretty interesting how R81 accuses R77 of being 'gay-hating.' It's funny how when you speak out about white gay racism, you're gay-hating ( or just an ugly, brown person desperate for sex with whites because naturally everyone wants to sleep with whites). Because only white people are gay is their line of thinking ( this racism explains why gay POC are increasingly calling themselves something other than gay) . Which proves R77's post and my linked study correct.
Three more posts and still no answer to my questions at R66. Liberal extremists have done a good job on blacks. Apparently, only Conservatives are racists. Everything Conservatives do or say is racist.Nevertheless, gay white males can rape and PIMP out adopted black babies at will without a peep out of blacks. I see people in this comment section talking about racism in the gay community but those same people say nothing about this issue. I guess it would only be bad if Conservatives did it. Brainwashed zombies I tell you. Liberals are the real racists and they hate children. Anybody who thinks a male child is safe in a gay male household hates children.
I'll consider it, R85, thanks for your thoughtful post. I kind of feel bad for writing what I wrote because I know I offended a lot of people. I usually keep my composure but I guess I just had a breakdown after seeing people reduce the racial issues in this community to nothing more than disgruntled POC who couldn't get laid by some white guy. As if we're all attracted to white men. POC go clubs and bars in gayborhoods because often those are the only gay clubs around. And they often go on "urban night" but still have to deal with rude staff and people treating them like they don't belong in the neighborhood.
DC and Atlanta have the largest gay black populations in the country ( somehow black people are so homophobic that gay black people are much more likely to live around them than they are to live around gay white people). And many black gays move to these areas each year specifically because of that reason, neither of these facts exactly scream a bunch of snow queens to me.
I was also bothered by something that another poster brought up in another thread in response to one of my posts, which was why do POC always tell other POC not to say offensive things but the whites here don't do the same to other whites? I began to think it's because they agree with each other, so I got tired of being nice. As you can see I'm still a little upset but I didn't want to add to the hostility but in the end I did and I regret that. But at the same time some things just need to be said. Anyway, it's probably time to move on from this thread.
[quote] It's funny how when you speak out about white gay racism, you're gay-hating
There's a difference between confronting racism in the gay community and saying "All white gays are racist" or "White gays are pimping out black kids." One is reasonable, the others are sick, twisted, racist bullshit that does enormous damage by cruelly stereotyping gay people, already a beleagured minority, in a transparent power-grab and attempt to manipulate white liberal guilt imho.
Here's the question that the "White gays are intractable racists" trolls can never answer. I don't agree, but let's presume this is true: The white gay community is hopelessly and incurably racist. If you really believed this, what would be the point of repeating it over and over? To me it seems you don't actually believe this, but say it in order to get a "mea culpa" cry-of-mercy response from white gays, who you know are left-progressive and who don't want to be perceived as racist.
If black gays and white gays are segregated by neighborhood, it's far less than straight blacks and whites are. Gay neighborhoods are in urban areas, and are typically far more integrated than most white neighborhoods. Str8 whites just never get called out on it.
[quote]DC and Atlanta have the largest gay black populations
Not Salt Lake City or Des Moines? Not Portland, Maine? If the problem of racism is solved in the straight community and is only aberrant among gay whites, why aren't blacks--straight and gay--moving en masse to these places? They're relatively free of the gay white devil.
R94, not only are you confusing points you are confusing posters. I said that DC and Atlanta have the largest black gay populations in response to those who reduce gay racism to POC being upset that white gays won't sleep with them ( and I think it's interesting that non of you challenge that position or any racist position on this board). Obviously, that doesn't apply to the aforementioned populations. Although the serious racial segregation in this "community" does speak to the very extreme racism within the gay community.
And as far as pimping black babies you need to direct your posts to the troll who keeps bringing up child molestation in various threads for months now.
Considering that gays comprise of ALL of your subgroups... meaning, that we are of all religious, race and ethnicity, abilities, looks appearances, genders.
Gay people are not uniformly one of those categories. We are the most diverse group of people...which makes your comments laughable.
Yeah. There are jerks are in every group, but don't discount the group as a whole because of it. I guess your "worldview," which puts us down, doesn't account for that fact you are committing the very same act you are chastising us for... :D
Oh, bisexuality as a phenomenon has always been considered either:
a. a factor of attempting to meet societal expectations.(gay men who want some form of acceptance)
b. a factor of sexual experimentation (straights who are curious)
c. not uniform in repression(you can be left alone in heterosexual relationships--the assumption being you are straight)
Studies of homophobia demonstrated some of the most homophobic men were the ones with same sex attractions--they very well could be bisexual.
Scientific studies have demonstrated this phenomenon.
[quote]POC being upset that white gays won't sleep with them
Well, while there are many claims of gay white racism that are no doubt legitimate, that characterization above actually has the ring of truth to me and is at least occasionally the case, no?
The accusation "white gays are such racists" is often preceded by a description of how a POC went to some stand-and-model bar in the gay community and didn't get hit on or is discouraged by what's on Grindr or some such.
Of course it would have a ring of truth to you, R98. One sentence you claim that it is occasionally the case then in the next you say it is often the case ( your true feelings). You're not a real minority so you will never understand what it means to be a minority, so there is no use in even discussing this with you. You can't relate to other minorities because you aren't a true minority, you are a white male. You keep believing that it's all about sex and POC being devastated because the white Gods that everyone should be attracted to won't sleep with them. You keep believing that white gays can't possibly be racist as they sell-out black-face shows all across the country. Move on, you will never understand because it is impossible for you to empathize. As someone said, gay communities need to remain racially segregated. And the Wiki page and R79's link confirms this reality. I'm completely over it.
And R98, I guess all of the discrimination lawsuits are about sex and angry POC who couldn't get laid by some white God. Again, move on. You can't empathize with real minorities, especially if they're brown. So this discussion is pointless. It will go nowhere.
It has nothing to do with white guys not wanting to fuck POC. It's about those POC rules that some gay bars put up. It's about POC being made to show 2 and 3 different forms of IDs to get into a club. It's about the lack of diversity in gay organizations and at pride parades.
Don't forget that not only do those bars require POC to show 2 and 3 forms of IDs, they don't hire POC. Therefore, employment discrimination. But for them it's all about sex and POC being angry because we can't sleep with them, because again we're all supposed to be attracted to white Gods. This is making me lose my cool again. It's pointless trying to get people who don't have the ability to empathize with a brown person to understand racism. Again, it's pointless. This is why we are segregated and will remain that way.
[quote]You're not a real minority
Really? gays aren't a minority? That's news to me.
r99/r100, you've gone from sounding like someone with a chip on their shoulder about race issues to someone really just totally off their rocker.
Can you read, R103? Or are you one of the many ( if not all) white gay men who think only white people are gay? I said that you are a white gay man. White gay men oppress and discriminate against people within their own community ( gays,lesbians, bisexuals of color and not to mention, transgender persons of any color).These victims of discrimination look like members of other minority groups. Therefore, you don't relate to other minority groups and they don't relate to you, that's my point.
I'm sorry but I couldn't care less about what some racist thinks about me. The whole chip on the shoulder and calling me crazy is just your attempt to trivialize racism in the gay community. It doesn't work and it never will. Go back to your POC are angry about sex diatribe. So move on. I don't even know why you replied. I hope you read R79's link. You've certainly proven that the study is accurate. I saw an article about gay racism and how POC are treated in the gay community on a mainstream AA news website just the other day. I'm happy the word is finally getting out. Anyway, move on, R103, you're only making things worse.
And trust me, I HATE saying these things and I normally never would. I hate saying things like this because I know it will offend a lot of people and I'll probably regret it tomorrow. But your attempts to trivialize this issue has pissed me off beyond belief. And I know that isn't a valid excuse, so I won't be reading any more posts in this thread after this post.
[quote], I HATE saying these things
Uh-huh. You almost had me til that.
[quote] I won't be reading any more posts in this thread
you keep saying things like this. And it's not convincing. "I'm leaving!!" should be followed by, you know, actually leaving.
From the hip: you're trying to manipulate white liberal guilt. You know that gay people are left-progressive and don't want to appear as racist. There's a bit of power to be gained from claiming that all gays are irredeemable racists, because there's always someone who will beg for your forgiveness and understanding. You have no real interest in parsing out actual racism. That takes real work, intelligence, and heart.
Minorities (gays and ethnic/racial minorities) shouldn't be expected to act any more morally superior (or less hateful) than straight white folks.
Obviously I have to post this shit again since people keep trying to reason with people WHO CAN'T EMPATHIZE WITH PEOPLE WITH BROWN SKIN! DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND? STOP TRYING TO REASON WITH THEM ABOUT RACISM! Read the study, comprehend it, stop typing multiple paragraphs trying to get someone to understand who simply can't. END IT! Let the thread die.
Brain Research: White People Lack Empathy for Brown People
By Austin Cline, About.com GuideJuly 12, 2010
There have been a lot of studies revealing unconscious and latent racism in whites but not so many studies about what might be happening physically in the brains of people expressing such unconscious attitudes. It's important for us to understand more about this because these people also typically express anti-racist sentiments and there's no reason to think that they are lying. How can a person say they support equality and sincerely believe that they support equality but then exhibit racism
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