And become the number one superpower? I heard an Indian man talk about it with his friends that by 2015, India would be the number one superpower surpassing United States.
China is more likely than India to surpass America. China has a more developed infrastructure (both physically and informationally) and less of a hygiene / environmental problem (hard to believe, but dirty China is, on average, 'cleaner' than filthy India).
China can shit an India.
Not likely. India has a population problem. India is expected to surpass China and become the world's most populated country by 2028. It does not have the resources nor land mass to house and feed so many people.
I wouldn't worry too much. Their problems will come from within unless they do something about abhorrent poverty and population control.
India hasn't been a superpower since 2000 BC and those people spoke Dravidian lanugages and were Jains, religiously speaking.
Sanskrit language and myths, Hinduism (actually Brahmanism and Bakhti, Hinduism is not a religion), Buddhism, Christianity and Islam brought India a long slow descent into feudal decay which has not yet been sufficiently reversed to restore India's power.
Why India Trails China
By AMARTYA SEN
CAMBRIDGE, Mass. — MODERN India is, in many ways, a success. Its claim to be the world’s largest democracy is not hollow. Its media is vibrant and free; Indians buy more newspapers every day than any other nation. Since independence in 1947, life expectancy at birth has more than doubled, to 66 years from 32, and per-capita income (adjusted for inflation) has grown fivefold. In recent decades, reforms pushed up the country’s once sluggish growth rate to around 8 percent per year, before it fell back a couple of percentage points over the last two years. For years, India’s economic growth rate ranked second among the world’s large economies, after China, which it has consistently trailed by at least one percentage point.
The hope that India might overtake China one day in economic growth now seems a distant one. But that comparison is not what should worry Indians most. The far greater gap between India and China is in the provision of essential public services — a failing that depresses living standards and is a persistent drag on growth.
Inequality is high in both countries, but China has done far more than India to raise life expectancy, expand general education and secure health care for its people. India has elite schools of varying degrees of excellence for the privileged, but among all Indians 7 or older, nearly one in every five males and one in every three females are illiterate. And most schools are of low quality; less than half the children can divide 20 by 5, even after four years of schooling.
India may be the world’s largest producer of generic medicine, but its health care system is an unregulated mess. The poor have to rely on low-quality — and sometimes exploitative — private medical care, because there isn’t enough decent public care. While China devotes 2.7 percent of its gross domestic product to government spending on health care, India allots 1.2 percent.
India’s underperformance can be traced to a failure to learn from the examples of so-called Asian economic development, in which rapid expansion of human capability is both a goal in itself and an integral element in achieving rapid growth. Japan pioneered that approach, starting after the Meiji Restoration in 1868, when it resolved to achieve a fully literate society within a few decades. As Kido Takayoshi, a leader of that reform, explained: “Our people are no different from the Americans or Europeans of today; it is all a matter of education or lack of education.” Through investments in education and health care, Japan simultaneously enhanced living standards and labor productivity — the government collaborating with the market.
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Iran and Egypt have more potential than India.
There were no 'superpowers' in 2000 B.C. (a 'superpower' can only exist in a sufficiently globalized world), and Jainism is just as insane and ridiculous as the other religious in India. Don't mislead the OP, R4.
Oh my sides!!
[quote]less than half the children can divide 20 by 5, even after four years of schooling
"FEWER than half..."
JFC, even the NYT can't be bothered to get this right now.
India and China have major problems at home, yet are full of talk about becoming superpowers
[quote] The poor have to rely on low-quality — and sometimes exploitative — private medical care, because there isn’t enough decent public care.
Years ago one of our Indian surgical residents was telling us that in India, nurses perform appendectomies. An appendectomy is a relatively easy operation and a life-saving one. Surgeons are too few and too busy to be bothered with such small potatoes, so they train nurses to do it and forge the paperwork, claiming the surgeons did it.
He also told us that patients are assigned to care for other patients. "If a person is blind, we grab someone with the same last name and say, 'This is your cousin. You must care for him.' And the other patient will help feed and will lead around the blind patient. Some patients must bathe and dress others. Wealthy patients go to nice hospitals but most people are crowded into hospital hallways. Families often stay with a patient.
When I did an internship at a hospital in Queens, teenaged Indian girls were often brought in to sit with their relatives (who were patients) for 12, 16, 24 hours. I would offer the girls fruit, juice, salad, cake -- anything I could get from dietary that didn't use meat as an ingredient, but they refused.
India has already surpassed America in the number of guys named Ryan who help me with my computer problems.
Only when India has developed working sewers and septic for the whole country.
Superpower is a subjective term, I will use it however I want.
Will India one day be ahead of America again? Of course. Fortuna's wheel always turns. But not until there are big changes.
As r11's post shows, India is a land of infinite fuckery. And they bring that shite here too.
Did you mean,"...they bring that Shiite here too," R15?
Doubt it. I remember they couldn't even organise the Commonwealth Games properly. India is a shithole a lot of the time. China is the threat.
OP is trolling, right?
What people are forgetting is that the USA being far removed from Asia/Europe help her stay a superpower. She answers only to herself, and has no direct rivals within her continent.
For all the troubles in South America, the truth is that the various cultures throughout the Americas are more in harmony with each other than most continents. The China addiction is temporary, the USA has all the resources she needs at her fingertips.
The U.S. is comprised of every ethnicity on earth, coexisting more or less harmoniously.
The idea that any other polity could surpass us in cultural or political relevance, or power is laughable.
"Superpower is a subjective term, I will use it however I want."
Language isn't your exclusive plaything, hon. It has an established meaning with the Anglophone community - you're wrong.
Gandhi wanted India to hold on to it's tradition ways (other than the caste system, of course) and that the soul of India was in it's villages, not it's cities. Look at that shithole now, the villages are rutted dusty roads with animals wandering between incessantly honking pedicabs and taxis. The country that probably graduates more engineers than any other has a completely hopeless infrastructure, no one wants to go into civil engineering and why should they? Better to get a job in computer engineering or some other and maybe get a job in Silicon Valley. Don't let anyone say "ah, but the cities are modern and sparkling clean."
Bull sheiss. I've been there. I've never seen such chaos, and what they consider clean is way different than what we do.
Indians are overly confident. They are good at spelling bees but they'll never rule the world.
Don't tell that to Parag Khanna, who believes they will. But he lives in Singapore now anyway.
India is a shithole, and so filthy and unhygenic. The living conditions in India have not existed in the Western World since the 18th century.
[quote]"FEWER than half..." JFC, even the NYT can't be bothered to get this right now.
"Less than half the children" is correct - the operative word here is "half," not "children." Use "less" when you refer to a measure.
"Fewer than half the children" sounds stilted and wrong.
Would you say "fewer than half the people?"
They are both inextricably mired in horrendous poverty. Unless you're wealthy, it's a brutish life in either place.
Marian the Librarian is back!!!
Moreover, would you say "fewer than half the hours"?
R19 I agree. Actually, I'll take it a step further.
If there's a culture that's more universally accepted throughout the world, it's the American. When you pair it with other factors like geography, natural resources, technology, and political leadership it's no wonder why America is so successful. It's like the perfect storm effect, many extraordinary factors came together and created what it is.
Short of Russia-China merging, America is here to stay.
By 2050, India will be feeding America and Europe! China and the Chinese would have fed themselves to each other. Oh it will come full circle: World's greatest civilisations in chronological order: India, China, Africa (mainly Egyptian)Greek, Roman, British, American - and back again.
[quote]If there's a culture that's more universally accepted throughout the world, it's the American.
What does that even mean? "Acceptance" as in "familiarity with"? This sounds like the opening sentence of a high-school essay.
Oh dear R29!
It's more likely for India to get nuked by Pakistan.
India doesn't have the resources,political reach, or technological innovation to be the leader in her own continent!!!! Let alone Europe or the Americas. I am very sorry to say this, but you're practically a third world country.
By 2050 I said R31, I will still be around - would you, darling? Nope, I am neither Indian, nor in India - just a brilliant economist! hahah
I'm an old Indian hand here but must say India doesn't seem to be heading to a superpower position anytime soon. It is developing yes but still way, way behind other places.
Indians even go to Thailand for their holidays thinking it is a step up.
It is a great place to get sexually harassed too.
Unfortunately, it seems like I'm more likely to to be around 2050 R32. :(
India is on track to having the largest English speaking population in the world.
Also due to differences in cost of living an American corporation can pay significantly less for skilled employees.
Think of all those people living in the suburbs surrounding major cities in the US - middle and upper management running America's corporations.
Now imagine how much less you have to pay someone to have the same lifestyle in India.
Where do you think the jobs will end up?
Actually neither India nor China have as many English speakers as is often alleged on datalounge. Less than a quarter million speak English as a first language in India, and while they claim they have taught 125 million to speak it in school, we all know that Americans have had foreign languages in school without 5% of non-immigrants being able to speak any. For the record Pakistan makes a similarly absurd claim to 89 million English speakers. Nigeria and the Philippines a claim to have more English speakers than England, and that's absurd too. There are many countries where most people do speak some English as a matter of routine but India, Pakistan, Nigeria, and the Philippines are not among them.
You're dreaming r41. Most of those so-called English speakers speak some pidgin hinglish, not proper English, as anyone who's had the misfortune of getting an Indian call center knows.
And anyone who has outsourced office workers will tell you the Indian replacements are practically useless. Their credentials are bogus.
There are definitely some trolls here trying to make India happen. Sorry but I prefer that my overlords not bathe in water contaminated by dead human and bovine carcasses.
Yes, the world craves being led by caftan wearing bobble heads.
So in one and a half years, India will overtake the U.S.? Dream on.
I do agree the U.S. is on its way down; has been for a while. It would take a long discussion to properly address this situation.
But for India to become a superpower like the U.S.; one would have to put the blinders on. We may not be the most civilized, but we don't treat most women like the Indians do.
Brazil is the country that's rapidly becoming a superpower; and that's at the cost of the Amazon rainforests.
No long discussion. It's easy. The Old Left was right and America will "come back" when it adopts the old ways and taxes the rich and sacrifices the False Gods of Trade and Corporate Power.
The falling fresh water levels will hurt India more than any other country. Expect massive starvation and wars to break out before 2050.
Brazil is having its own "Arab Spring" thing now with all these protests, albeit over economic matters. I wonder how their image as a "fun superpower" will be sustained if the protests continue over to the World Cup and Olympics?
No, India will never surpass the USA, nor will China.
India is a land of incompetents and cheats and thieves. Ditto China. Both countries also have strict social rules about conformity. Original thinkers are ostracized.
And besides, when Peak Oil hits, their populations will be wiped out as there won't be any food left (modern agriculture is totally dependent on oil). Both countries will be gone in a few decades.
Religion has screwed over India from ever becoming a true world power.
If the contest is who will be the Dysentery capital of the world, then yes.
India doesn't even have a chance of passing the USA in the number of crazy religious nuts per capita (which is a terrifying truth).
Not even if a huge meteor crashed in the middle of the US and wiped everything out could India surpass it.
England understood the true India.
You have clearly never been to India, R55 dear. Militant Hindus everywhere and gurus, swamis, charlatans and fakirs of every stripe.
India has already passed the USA in the number of call center employees.
India's English speaking abilities are greatly exaggerated.
I was just there recently and really it is pretty hard to find an Indian who can string together a three word sentence in English.
Wow so many racist ignorami on this thread.
But I see there are several "repeat" posters.
R61, please feel free to correct anyone's misinformation.
FYI, calling posters "racist ignorami" is not an argument.
A serious effort to put a positive spin on a homophobic shithole.
Our CIA will hit their government and banks was a bunch of cluster bombs before we would allow that to happen.
Of course we will say Islamic terrorist did it.
R52 is a complete idiot and a racist.
What is the matter with this fool? Does he not realize that he lives in probably the most corrupt country in the world? The GOOD OLD USA!
OK yes I will be delightful to adapt you with superior customer service and an aura of excellence. Please to give me your account number very much?
The problem of India is labor.
Saying Indians buy more newspapers than anyone else only means they don't have access to the internet to read the news like the rest of the world does. Paper publishing is dying elsewhere.
India will never surpass anyone while they think that people are disposable.
The civilised world is just as horrified by the Indian attitude to terrible events as it is by the events themselves. Every nation has it's share of violent crazies but India covers up for them and their justice system protects them.
When Indian attitudes change maybe they might have a chance to become part of the global superpower club but not until they start educating the populace to not kill women and children, shit in the street or demand a bribe to do their job. Maybe having electricity and sewage throughout the whole country would be a good start.
India is more a subcontinent than a nation as we understand. It is more like Europe. It might be better to give more power to its constituent states. Otherwise the problems are too big to tackle at the national level with its level if diversity.
Also, having worked in India, the problem that I find holds it back and holds back others from working there, are it's organization and management systems. Like chronic lateness and larger time and communication management issues. Everyone is out to circumvent any law and order. Traffic and driving for instance. Without more order it will never be efficient.
Are you kidding OP, India is a third world country full of dirty, smelly people with no indoor plumbing.
Oh my sides!!!
Funniest thread in ages. And I don't doubt that among the millions of deluded, arrogant, lazy and entitled Indians this notion will catch on!
And like magic the stink of shit will pass from the streets, life expectancy will leap above 65 years, hideously primitive blood feuds will disappear, de facto slavery will disappear, reliable electricity will appear, air will be clean, stores will be full of food for everyone, and China will not be poised with two fingers ready to flick the country two steps back to the Stone Age.
AND the Great Diaspora of educated Indians will cease, removing them from their chance to continue ruining the quality of educational institutions, research facilities and medical institutions with the above mentioned arrogance, laziness and entitlement that ruins everything they touch.
You have to be kidding, OP. The way these hisspianich illegals multiply once in the US, The US will surpass India in population by the turn of the century. That's just 86 years away and too little time for India to kill off its poor and illiterate. By 2100 there will be no US, we will have already voted to become part of Mexico again.
It may very well happen, but not that quickly.
No and neither will China. Too many people and not enough resources. Both have massive corruption and internal problems that are beyond the ability of their (corrupt) governments to solve.
I agree with [R-71] They won't be a superpower until they install and learn how to use flush toilets.
[quote] that by 2015, India would be the number one superpower surpassing United States.
That's next year.
India, you in trouble girl! Get cracking now at warp speed if you want to rule the world.
I don't believe the average Indian lives to 66. I don't think they count the bodies of the poor.
One day sure. But not in our lifetimes.
Like it or not, The U.S will continue to be the dominant superpower for a long, long time.
That I don't believe R80. In fact, I think our political system is on the verge of collapse.
[R81] I wouldn't go that far. We still have time to fix it, but not a lot.
In 40 years, the US will be majority Hispanic. Look at Mexico and the rest of Latin America. Say goodbye to the US as a functional, first-world nation.
[quote]I think our political system is on the verge of collapse.
it is officially sclerotic
that doesn't mean that it will collapse. the Venetian Doge ruled Venice for centuries past Venice's apogee.
R83, no, I'd say, "hello, first world hispanic country!"
Is there anything that can be done to stop that, R83? It seems like a problem.
R9 is incorrect. "Less than half..." is correct in this situation and is an exception to the rule.
To help you understand this exception more clearly, one would not say "fewer than half the ocean ...(is salty)".
I'm really glad that people are continuing to rip R9 a new butthole.
Yes, "less" refers to "half" rather than "children."
[quote]Think of all those people living in the suburbs surrounding major cities in the US - middle and upper management running America's corporations. Now imagine how much less you have to pay someone to have the same lifestyle in India. Where do you think the jobs will end up?
No one has to "imagine" US corporations outsourcing jobs to India. It's been happening for decades. And now the tide is turning back for many of the reasons R72 so eloquently stated. Major US corporations have begun to realize what a colossal failure it has been. Many are pulling out. They might not be bringing the jobs back home (South America is the hot spot now), but they can't ditch India fast enough.
America should compete with Europe, not 3rd world crapholes like India, China, and Russia.
There are so many of them and relatively few of us.