It seems so remote. Yet very pretty. Is it a busy, bustling city?
I was just there last week. Pretty city, but it's not really that big. Never gets too warm, never too cold.
I felt like it was trying a bit too hard to be cool. The Capitol Hill area is a large, hipster and gay area that's pretty cool. Except it didn't really seem to get busy in the bars or clubs. Maybe I'm used to NY and Chicago where all bars are overcrowded.
It's not for me, but I could see its appeal. Oh - and shops are not open late - everything seems to close early and they roll up the sidewalks around 1:30am.
Yes, some of us are here.
I live in Capitol Hill but am moving elsewhere shortly. It now costs too much money and is chiefly the homeland of Amazon and Microsoft employees, who are tedious and just make everything cost a lot. And there are endless wailing sirens.
I haven't decided where to go next.
This is a gorgeous city.
Now that pot is legal in Washington state how is sold? Are there discreet delivery services? Still street sellers? Do you have to grow your own? Are there any Amsterdam style coffee houses where it is okay to smoke in public? Can you smoke it in public? Seems like people would be moving to Colorado and Washington in droves just for the freedom to imbibe without being arrested for it. What are some other nice small towns in Washington? Are Portlanders really jealous of Seattle?
Is it hard to get to Seattle from other parts of America?
It's not hard to get here. Alaska, United, Northwest, American Airlines, Delta, and many other airlines fly into Sea-Tac.
I find it a bit odd that Seattle seems remote to another American. I mean, do Canadians think of Vancouver as remote? I don't think so.
The city itself is attractive with great views of Puget Sound and the Olympic range. People are really outdoorsy here, and the summers can be glorious.
Culturally, there's a lot going on, but it's nothing like New York. What is?
There's no income tax in WA state, but property taxes are high. Sales tax in Seattle is 9.5%, and many services are taxable that are not in other states.
I grew up in PDX, and spent several years in Seattle. I liked it OK, but never really warmed to it (I lived in Wallingford, on Capitol Hill and in the Central District as it was gentrifying). It's been several years since I've been back there. After many years away I have since returned to Portland, and maybe Seattle has changed since, but I always felt that there was something slick and empty (corporate?) about it in comparison with Portland, missing some heart.
It is a fun and beautiful city --- see for yourself. Come visit but don't move here... we're full :)
It is small. It is not busy and bustling. It is remote in the sense that there is no major city for thousands of miles (SF, Chicago)
I've never been to Seattle, but I've heard it's hard to get some sleep there
R9, Seattle is 800 miles from San Francisco, not thousands. You would be much happier there. The problem with Seattle is that it thinks it is as cool as San Francisco. It isn't even close. The weather is dreary. No one will talk to you because of our Scandinavian reserve, and if they do it will completely superficial. Housing costs or outrageous. Traffic is gridlocked most of the day. There is no mass transit in the conventional sense. Local politics are ridiculously wacko liberal and involve the "process" so everything must be run past and approved by all possible "stakeholders" so nothing ever gets done. Seattle is just Topeka with hills, water and trees.
See how much my degree from the University of Washington helped me? I typed "or" for "and." Which reminds me that the public schools in Seattle are generally considered atrocious. The University of Washington used to be good until the State ran out of money and slashed funding.
Totally agree, R11
[quote] It is remote in the sense that there is no major city for thousands of miles
Vancouver, BC begs to differ.
I'll get it right before the grammar gestapo find me. I meant "are" instead of "or".
Vancouver is not a major city. It is provincial with inflated real estate prices and homeless people.
Poor R12. He actually typed "or" for "are." I agree with him, though. Seattle sucks. I got out long ago and have never missed it.
You might like Portland if want the west coast and you're looking for somewhere less expensive than SF. I lived there, too, and liked it so much more than Seattle (though that's partly because I met the man of my dreams [or so I thought] in Portland). I think I'd've been happy if I stayed there, but we came back east for my brother's wedding and decided to move back.
I sometimes regret leaving Portland. But I have never regretted for a single moment not living in Seattle. Worst place I ever lived. Smug, self-satisfied assholes, an entire city's worth of them, with their "Number one city in America" bullshit.
Oh, look at me. I left out "you" on line three. I'm as bad as R12. Must be Seattle's fault.
I remember reading an article about how it's built on clay and earthquake's strength is doubled there because it's basically like a bowl of jello, geology wise.
It seems more energized than it is, because of the caffeine.
Wow, who knew Seattle sucked so much? It sounds almost as bad as New York City.
I got tired of telling people I'd lived in Seattle for a year once. They'd look incredulous and ask, "Whyyy?" (did I move back to the midwest). It just wasn't my cup o' tea. It will always just be a sad, spooky Northwest timber/port town. The natives are weird loner-types- like I imagine those who always escape up to Alaska. Forlorn and claustrophobic.
Whenever someone compliments Seattle someone who has lived in Portland always chimes in...funny. It is more than possible to like or love both.
Seattle is very masculine and uber competitive.
Seattle housing stock available online looks more bland than Portland's. All the real estate porn sites feature articles on 'escalation clauses'.
Regarding commute times, most of the complaints I've read are from people bitching about a half hour commute. In Chicago, it's a 45 minute commute to Boystown via el and much longer for bus service-only areas of Lincoln Park.
I've lived in both Seattle and Portland.
Seattle has the edge when it comes to art, music, theater, culture and restaurants, but it is ridiculously expensive for what you get and the "Seattle freeze" is real.
Portland is small, very pretty and can be charming, but the rah-rah boosterism starts to grate after a while (the cultural scene is given a lot of points by the locals just for trying hard) and the people strain too hard to be weird and wacky.
Both are plunked down in some of the most beautiful scenery America has to offer (Elliott Bay, Mt. Rainier, Mt. Hood, the Willamette Valley), and both have a reputation for rain that's overstated (it drizzles a lot, and there are gray skies, but not that much rain).
The xenophobia toward "outsiders" does get tiresome in both places, particularly since many of the most interesting people I met in Portland and Seattle were from somewhere else. But if busy and bustling is what you want, you want Seattle.
My favorite cities in the North America are Seattle, Portland and Vancouver. Each city has old growth forest with in the city limits. Skiing is less than an hour away, you can kayak year round, bike to work, great diverse restaurants and liberal, gay friendly politics. Perfect for gay families. Drawbacks: Seattle doesn't have a true urban park, Vancouver housing sucks, and Portland always seems to have super high unemployment and homelessness. The weather sucks but the rain makes it green and clean.
I would recommend visiting in mid July to mid September. You can see all three in less than a week. More if you take in the nearby national parks, mountains, islands or coast.