Did scientology and wacky behaviour destroy Tom Cruise?
I mean no one ever talks about him anymore. He's nowhere to be seen in popular magazines not Vanity Fair, no Us weekly...he's gone...
I keep wondering if it was his couching jumping behaviour or his weird scientology thing that he has going on that ruined him.
I was just watching war of the worlds and he's actually a decent actor...a lot better than Gale Harold. And I like his choice of films. I actually wouldn't mind him being talked about a lot. It's a lot more entertaining than Jennifer Lawrence's blathering. And I found the couch jumping incident hilarious.
Oprah Winfrey went off the air and stopped pushing TC.
Oh Tom - your publicist puts in the cutest stories here, to try and build you back up again . Too bad it can never happen. You're nuts, and we all know it now . You can't un-ring a bell, can you dear -
R2, Maybe you can tell TC's publicist that if he wants to be taken seriously than he'd better run far away from the Scieno cult.
That will never happen. Ever. He has a billion year contract with us
R4, Does the concept of signing a "billion year" contract really make sense? Do Scienos really think that they'll be around for that long, even if they accept the concept of reincarnation?
He left the U.S. five months ago and lives in a seaside mansion in Punta del Este, Uruguay. That's why you haven't heard about him, OP.
R6, TC and Renner just had a nice dinner together. Does COS know that the latter is an SP?
Tom Cruise must really be over if he's doing this:
[quote]“I think striving for a cleaner, sustainable world is the responsible thing to do. But not only that, this company is proving that it’s good business also,” Tom recently shared at a Walmart’s shareholder meeting. Check out the video below!
I wonder how much he got pain or if Miscavage sent him to try to recruit Waltons.
He burned too big a bridge with the ticket-buying public and likely never will recover from that... Most people don't like their stars to be shilling creepy cults.
I also think he has a 'messiah complex' which is both off-putting and creepy.
Throw in turning 50 (which is like an actress turning 40) and it's harder to appeal to the 20- something crowd (who see him as someone who is their dad's age).
He's getting older but not taking mature roles. He's still trying to do the summer action/explosion blockbuster genre, and I think the audience for those films were just babies when 'Risky Business' came out. He looks like he is trying too hard.
He may still have hits, but the bungling of his PR, his leaden/asshole personality, and the crazy $cio shit has killed him as a "real" person and an interesting celebrity. You have to be both today, in some measure.
I am still in awe that Katie was able to shut him down so quickly.
You just KNOW that she had to have some good info on him for him to just lie down and take it like he did.
From the day of the the breaking news that she was divorcing him to the day of the announcement that they had reached an 'amicable' settlement was just a couple of weeks. That is unbelievable to me that this HUGE celebrity divorce was locked down so quickly and tightly. Somebody wanted to control this thing quickly and shut it down quickly.
There has not been ONE PEEP of gossip that has wafted out into the public domain since then. Crickets. (Katie has wisely been keeping her mouth shut to keep custody of her child and Tom and CO$ are likely staying quiet and not badmouthing her because she's got some good ammo on them; The public knows that if anything happens to her that Xenu was behind it.)
But it is strange that you NEVER hear about him anymore and the PR has gone almost radio silent. I wonder if he got commanded to'lie low' for a while...
Isn't he running his own film studio now? I think he might be a little busy...
It's amazing to see how people create a disappearing scenario for people and places they don't like.
We've got Democrats who think there's no real need to campaign for Democrats because the Pubbies are falling apart.
Then there's those who think most Chick-Fil-As are nearly out of business due to the gay boycott, when in reality, their business is booming.
Here, we've got OP and a few others desperate to convince themselves and others that Cruise is gone from public view. The thread here at DL about Cruise and Hugh Jackman making a publicity appearance just ten days ago doesn't exist in their lives. The recent photos in the news of Cruise and David Beckham at a sporting event with their kids didn't happen in their world.
The truth is that Tom Cruise, one of the biggest jerks on the planet, is rolling in money and there's more flooding into his bank accounts every day. He's far from over and will continue to star in movies that I'll never see, but to OP and his elaborate scenario buddies, Cruise is long gone.
I'm reading Jenna Miscavige Hill's (niece of Hubbard successor David Miscavige) memoir of her life growing up in the Church. A cult that brings to mind North Korea and Stalinist Russia.
Tom cruise has only himself to blame if he goes down in flames. He seems like an asshole of note. The rumours about him being gay make me shudder, we don't want him.
Cruise is far from "destroyed", at least career-wise. However screwed-up he may be personally, his films generally do well enough to sustain his career for the time being.
Yes, he's had a couple of disappointments, but he hasn't yet had a BATTLEFIELD EARTH that would turn him into a laughing stock.
r14, you're the one who is delusional if you don't think Tom's association with Scientology has hurt his career. The only question is how much and whether he'll recover. His career definitely hasn't recovered yet.
There wasn't much of Tom Cruise to destroy. He was very, very pretty, and made a great career out of portraying callow young guys who wised up and became sensitive by the end of the movie. That kind of career has an inherently short shelf-life.
If one gives any thought to the Holmes divorce, one has to realize that there was a contract going into the marriage. Contracts typically consider the steps necessary to unravel the arrangement. In this instance, where both parties would want out after a certain time, it presumably spelled out who could look like the aggrieved party. Holmes wouldn't have entered into something that caused her to look like a complete bitch at the end. And Cruise and his attorneys probably thought so highly of his status that they couldn't envision her making him look like a crazy control freak on her way out. So she simply exercised her rights, and he pretended to be startled, then agreed to the settlement that they'd previously arranged.
Project much, R14? I am certainly not 'desperate' to convince myself that Cruise is gone from public view. I am just fascinated that for someone who has always been front and center that he has suddenly ratcheted down his usual summer media blasts, etc.
I agree with your last paragraph though and we haven't seen the last of him by far.
R20, we might have to go to a Wal-Mart to do so.
So was TC's dinner with Renner just for mutual pap attention or to discuss their careers or a bromance? Will Renner be able to resist COS? I still think it's interesting that Renner was once supposed to star in The Master.
Yes. I'd like to think it was because people woke up one day and admitted the asshole couldn't act. But yeah, it was scientology and being strange.
As long as TC's movies make money overseas, and he has a known "name," he won't disappear. Foreign audiences don't seem to care about the bizarre Scieno connection, if they understand it at all.
Hollywood needs to find new talent to star in action pics, that really are talented as well as good looking. Just hope they find actors that aren't involved in crazy cults, and are actually appreciative of their success.
Not 'destroy', but the aura of weird is with him for life now. Newman, Redford, McQueen, Beatty, Eastwood, could look forward to good roles from age 50 - 60, but I doubt the industry and its audience has the same confidence in Cruise.
I realise that death and narcissism qualifies the output of the above list, but they weren't compromised artistically. As they aged they played roles within their perceived characters, and often well.
There's so much artificiality within and around Cruise now that he can't let audiences in, let them warm to him, as the actors above could at their best.
I would dearly love to believe that Cruise is "over" and "no one talks about him anymore," but unfortunately it seems to me that he's still in the press quite often, and his movies still do very well.
Not to mention that he looks great and can still open a movie, r26.
I'm not a fan, just honest. I think the weirdness is something that keeps him in the cultural milieu without him having to do any of the work.
" Foreign audiences don't seem to care about the bizarre Scieno connection, if they understand it at all. "
You vill to excuze me, pleaze?
R28, I meant that Asians still flock to TC movies, despite that he's a Scienut. Have Germans boycotted his flicks, or just his "religion?"
29, I understand. I was being flip.
I don't think the whole cult controversy translates easily elsewhere. And yes, Asia is the biggest market for his mindless action flicks, because there's so little dialogue. They make such flix knowing it'll have global appeal.
R28, From the article you cited,
"Around the world, a handful of politicians have urged their governments to prosecute Scientology as a criminal conspiracy. Three years ago, a Paris court found the Church guilty of fraud and fined it $900,000. That same year, a member of the Australian Senate, Nick Xenophon, delivered a speech in which he described Scientology as “criminal organization that hides behind its so-called religious beliefs.” After calling for an investigation into the Church’s tax-exempt status during a television interview, he began to receive letters from ex-Scientologists across Australia detailing what he described as “a worldwide pattern of abuse and criminality,” including torture, forced confinement, and coerced abortions. (Xenophon’s call for a parliamentary inquiry into the Church was ultimately rejected by the Australian government.) In 2007, following a 10-year investigation, a Belgian prosecutor called for the Church to be labeled a criminal organization and recommended that up to 12 Church officials face charges for the illegal practice of medicine, violation of privacy, and use of illegal contracts."
[quote]After calling for an investigation into the Church’s tax-exempt status during a television interview, he began to receive letters from ex-Scientologists across Australia detailing what he described as “a worldwide pattern of abuse and criminality,” including torture, forced confinement, and coerced abortions. (Xenophon’s call for a parliamentary inquiry into the Church was ultimately rejected by the Australian government.)
I take this to mean that the Packers are very powerful in Australia. Is the son who inherited control of the family fortune still a clam?
And bad acting as well.
R19 I do believe theirs was a contract marriage but I think it was supposed to end differently. I think Katie slam dunked him big time and had major dirt on him and Co$. I do think he was surprised and not in control. Her sneaking around and renting an apartment, the prepaid cell phone and the non-Scieno bodyguards right after her split are very revealing. Tom rolled over and did exactly what she wanted. I've also noticed that you don't see Tammy with Suri much in the papers anymore.
R32, Packer "distanced himself" from the Scienos either because of his friends influence, negative worldwide publicity, or his involvement with casinos that aren't cult approved.
This thread is a couple of days old now... will somebody PLEASE start a new Tom Cruise/Scientology/Weird behavior thread?
[quote] Did scientology and wacky behaviour destroy Tom Cruise?
You think? Nothing gets past you sunshine
As I've been reading the thread about James Gandolfini and his portrayal of the morally conflicted mob boss, I couldn't help but think that I'd take associating with the mob before I would the Co$. At least the mob takes care of its own as opposed to sucking them dry of their cash on the basis of lies.
Scientology did him in! He'll be remember as a joke.