It actually takes more like 6 years and it actually is a lot more than just putting pills in bottles. Don't ask me what, but that's what I hear from my pharmacist friends when they defend their profession.
OP you have to go to graduate school to be a pharmacist. Just of to Beauty School, it's only about a year.
The techs do most of the work anyway. The pharmacists just sit in the back room and plan their next vacation.
I dropped out of beauty school.
Pharmacy technicians train for six months.
Nowadays, pP]harmacists hold a equivalent of a doctorate, a Pharm.D. degree. When I was college, the School of Pharmacy had a five-year B.S. Pharm. program.
Some pharmacy schools are talking about an eight-year program, four years undergraduate training, and four years of pharmacy training
There are always a bunch of bitchy Middle Easterners and Ethiopians at the pharmacies in DC. Doesn't seem like they're all that bright.
Come to think of it pharmacists have to give flu shots...I don't want to stick needles in people.
Maybe I'll become a ballet dancer. You can pick that up in a year I hear. (Natalie Portman did after all.)
You could like totally be my pharmacist.
OOH! I've like lost my bottle of Oxy. Would you be a lamb and refill it for me? Maybe three? I'm really really stressed and those bitches at Betty won't even let me take fucking Adderall.
its a lot more complicated than that. I dated a pharmacy student in college. They had to actually be able to identify molecular structure diagrams of different drugs. And you're never really done with the program. Every couple of years you have to go back for re-education and refreshers on any new drugs that have been developed.
The only prescription I ever had came in a prepackaged blister pack the pharmacy tech just handed to me. A vending machine could have done that.
But you're a cashier!
Come to think of it on Nurse Jackie the pharmacist was replaced with a machine.
Pharmacists are nothing more than doctors' bitches. The doc makes the decision on the med. The pharm puts it in the bottle. NO decisions are made by the pharm. They don't even have to know what the drugs do because there is always a printed handout about how the drugs work. I could be a fucking pharmacist tomorrow! Plus I would rock those little white lab coats they get to wear!
[quote]you just put pills in bottles
you also have to not kill people.
Dude, I fucking hate pharmacists. They try and play the role of doctor and it's annoying. I kinda got hooked to my painkillers and the bitch pharmacist had the nerve to inform the various doctors I was obtaining narcotics from that I was "doctor shopping." Punk bitch.
Go to different pharmacies r16!
My niece got her PharmaD a few years ago and works in a big hospital. The doctors consult with her all the time and she often makes recommendations to them about what drugs to use...there is no way that doctors can keep up with everything going on in pharma. That's the pharmacist's role. (Note: she did not go work on the retail side where she could make really big bucks because she wanted to help people and this is her way of doing it.)
R18, so fucking what?
A friend was a pharmacy student back in the 70s and I couldn't believe the fat textbooks and all the technical shit he was expected to know.
I guess they take themselves pretty seriously, but it's not like anyone holds a pharmacist responsible when a physician prescribes the wrong medication.
R18 here. I forgot to say that she spent her third year in Pharma school as an intern (or "rotations" as they called it) in various hospital departments and then a year or more as a resident. In other words, almost the same amount of time/training that doctors go through.
[quote]It takes 4 years to become a pharmacist? Really?
No. It takes longer than that.
[quote]The American Association of Colleges of Pharmacy now mandates that all aspiring pharmacists complete at least a three-year or four-year doctorate degree program after their first few years of college-level studies.
It must be kind of humiliating for them when they have to bag groceries and other stuff you bring to the counter.
You know nothing, r14. Pharmacists question Doctor's orders on a daily basis. They notify them of negative drug interactions, remind them that they prescribed a drug that the patient is allergic to, notify Doctors when they have prescribed an incorrect dosage of a medicationand so on. They save lives by being diligent and preventing medication errors made by lazy Doctors who are in the pockets of Big Pharma. They also educate patients on how to take certain medications correctly, try to save them money by encouraging Doctors to prescribe generic drugs when possible and participate in programs to help people who can't afford medications to get them for very low cost or for free. I wouldn't trust you to walk my dog. Idiot.
R18/R21, you know WAY too much about your niece's job. Either she is one of those boring "ME ME ME" blabbermouths that won't shut up, or you have no life and actually enjoy when she pays attention to you by yammering on about herself.
That's OK, R24, I don't like walking dogs anyway. But you seem so smart and learned, that I would let you clean out my cat's litter box anyday. :)
I couldn't bear to be away from Mother for four years!
Wonders what those looking down their noses at pharmacists do for a living...or is this just a "we don't need no education" attitude?
I'd rather have a me/me/me type for a niece than a cunt like you, r26.
Peace R26 Actually she rarely talks about her job/herself. What I wrote is probably taken from a few conversations I've had with her over the years....the rest I gleaned from her colleagues' comments.
Poor R18/R21/R30/R31. This is a clear case of an elder gay who feels the only way to keep his niece in his childless life is to listen to her blather on about her job and schooling and commit it to memory. To make matters worse, he has now revealed that he's insinuated himself into her colleague's lives.
At first I only felt annoyance for him. But now, I feel sympathy and pity. :(
Doctors don't do much either!
The things that my doctor tells me, I already know.
They are all scam artists!
For all of you who think "how hard can it be" - if you ever get cancer and require chemotherapy why don't you go ahead and fix up the dose yourself.
My pharmacist picked up on a potentially dangerous drug combination when my GP didn't. I was grateful for his knowledge.
R35, Google would have done the same thing.
I've heard that pharmacists are in trouble of losing their relevance - they made the top ten list of jobs most likely to be made obsolete in the next 25 years. (Others on the list included secretaries and cashiers.) Apparently, AI constructs like Watson will be able to choose drugs just as effectively using Internet databases.
Welcome to the Internet age, where any idiot thinks he is a Wikipedia page away from expertise. Self diagnose and get your drugs on the street if you don't trust professionals to do it for you.
I work in an ICU, and a pharmacist comes to Grand Rounds, along with the doctor, ICU nurse, charge nurse, etc. The pharmacist's role is to advise on medications, to say which medications would be most effective, and which would be inadvisable for a particular patient. They not only have vast knowledge bases, they can analyze every patient's medical history and current condition, and make recommendations based on that.
A good pharmacist doesn't do hands-on patient care, but actually knows more about the certain aspects of medicine than the doctors. That's why they can override doctor's orders.
I didn't know they can override doctors orders. My very elderly mothers' physician prescribed an antibiotic pill that was so huge there's no way she could have swallowed it. Chewing would have been impossible. I asked if there was a children's form (in syrup). I was told there was but they would have to get doctor approval, even though it was they very same medicine only a matter of proportion and dosage. It took two freaking days to get it approved. Maybe the person was a tech a tech and couldn't approve. Is there supposed to be a pharmacist on duty in all drug stores?
Graduated from medical school over 30 years ago. Am a GP in a large, urban clinic. Would not be able to provide quality care without consulting pharmacists on a daily basis. Most of my patients (HIV+) present with multiple sequelae.
We have medpath and numerous other programs at our disposal, but nothing can replace an experienced human to discern one drug interaction and dosing regime from another.
Except for specialists, most physicians are diagnosticians. We don't really treat patients and we don't monitor their complex treatment programs. Half my time is spent interpreting and managing individual health insurance policies, which dictate what I can or can't do -- including prescription meds. I am told by the pharmacist when to monitor liver and kidney function.
Yes, pharmacy will be phased out. I will hopefully have retired by then, but I'll be someone's patient. As it is now, many docs get their drug info from sales reps with MBA's. Do you want that?
Thank you R41 for being one of DL's best.
What other careers are there where you put things in bottles? My aptitude test says I would be very good at this.
What is wrong with you R32? Did the pharmacy run out your prescription that treats your assholism?
[quote] Uhm, you have to count you know!
Like, yeah. Or sometimes pour pills into a pill-counting-machine and dispenser. And you have to master those little pill counting paddles... and the trays, too. Did you know that there are left- and right-handed pill counting trays?
It's very tricky work that takes years of study and practice.
Docs writes scripts for anything the Pharma detail guy tells him works, and btw, "we'll give you and the wife an all-paid trip to the Bahamas for a medical conference."
No telling how many times pharmacists have saved the asses of doctors who don't have a clue about contraindications.
r43, get a job at the Sperm Bank.
I knew a guy in college who was studying to be a pharmacist. He was smoking so much dope that he kept dropping classes, I think he had been there six years but had enough credits for 3 years.
His girlfriend came by one time and asked me not to smoke pot with him because he had a problem. I told her she needed to cut her losses and find a new boyfriend.
I hope he never became a pharmacist. He is one of the few people I've met that seemed like he had an addiction to pot. Imagine if he had had access to prescription drugs.
It's a lot of education and expense just to end up working at a Walgreens.
Get back into Beauty School; no one expects much of a Beautician.
[quote]What other careers are there where you put things in bottles? My aptitude test says I would be very good at this.
[quote][R43], get a job at the Sperm Bank
A job? Or will some unfortunate women be subject to this guy's defective sperm?
Informative, but scary, R41.
Last time I had a drug interaction problem, it wasn't the pharmacist that caught the error, it was the pharmacy tech girl who found it because the computer program the pharmacy uses told her so.
The pharmacist once made a huge mistake and gave me a much higher dosage of my asthma medication than what was prescribed. Used it and my heartbeat went nuts and I ended up in the emergency room.
Hospital pharmacists aside, give me the pharmacy tech girl for everyday dispensing.
R52 - It's only "informative and scary" if you believe that R41 is a doctor.
It amazes me that when the topic at hand is doctors and pharmacists, POOF! we suddenly have doctors and pharmacists posting. If the subject is the law, POOF! we suddenly have lawyers here. When the subject is drugs, POOF! we suddenly have addictions counselors here. And naturally, these people always have the answers to everything and are the utmost experts on the topic at hand.
If you believe anything you read on Datalounge, POOF! you are an idiot.
You're a moron, R54. I am a lawyer and posted something several years ago on point in a thread, just to have some idiot like yourself tell me I wasn't a lawyer. If you look at the DL stats, thousands of people post here all the time. The notion that at least some of them are not professionals is ridiculous.
Do you see R52? Now we have R55 claiming to be a lawyer. Told ya.
I saw a lovely quarter moon last night, and was wondering when the next full moon will be. Any astronomers here?
R54/56 sounds like a Fox News watcher. He'll believe [italic]that[/italic] before anything remotely sensible-sounding...
When pharmacists are "obsolete" how will drugs be dispensed exactly?
Like in most professions, there are brilliant pharmacists (and techs) and there are pill pushers. A good pharmacist identifies deadly drug interactions and contraindications that doctors miss. They often play an important role in patient education that goes far beyond how to take the pill; again, a doctor's job that is often ignored.
My hospital pharmacy makes tons of horrible mistakes, too. They recently mistakenly sent me Invega (a very potent antipsychotic and one of the most expensive drugs around) instead of Intuniv (clonidine, a reasonably priced mild anxiety drug used to calm kids with ADHD). If I hadn't noticed, there would have gone my license.
According to insurance companies formularies and specs probably.
R32, what crawled up your cunt and died?
A friend of mine owns about a dozen drug stores in small towns (yes, he's rich beyond belief), and he admits that about the only drugs they actually make or mix anymore are some creams for dermatologists, everything else is off the shelf.
What's interesting is the pay scale, it's almost perfectly flat. A pharmacist right out of school makes about $100,000 per year, and one with 20 years experience is paid the same. That makes it a great job for people with wanderlust--you can go wherever your heart desires and there's probably a Walgreens there that needs you.
Yep, I was waiting for some big mouthed nurse chime in on how doctors make mistakes. Thanks for not disappointing me, R59.
So far we've had the hospital pharmacists, doctors and nurses show up. How long can it be before we hear from the bedpan staff?
"but you just put pills in bottles"
[quote]What's interesting is the pay scale, it's almost perfectly flat. A pharmacist right out of school makes about $100,000 per year, and one with 20 years experience is paid the same.
What? That sounds so odd. Why? The only benefit I can think of is that people with seniority don't need to worry about getting laid off as a cost cutting measure to hire younger people straight out of school. It doesn't sound good for the industry if there's no meritocracy vis a vis pay, though.
OP is right. Any moron can do it.
There is a very bitter failed pharmacist in our midst.
I am bipolar. To minimize some side effects, my doctor switched me to a new medicine. I turned out to be allergic to it and it wasn't working very well either. So we switched to another medication. I needed the new medication badly that night but the pharmacist couldn't quite make out what the doctor said in a message she left on their machine. I told the pharmacist what it was. She gave it to me after looking at my profile and recognizing that the medication would make sense for my condition and medical history. It's more than just counting pills.
R68, your problem does not illustrate that your pharmacist is valuable as much as it illustrates that your doctor is an idiot.
"I am bipolar....side effects... new medicine... allergic to it.....wasn't working very well either...I needed the new medication badly that night..."
R68 = needy drama queen and attention seeker.
R63, speaking as a member of the Bedpan Brigade (much catcher than your phrase, don't you think?), if you read my post the hospital pharmacy made the mistake. Doctors are in short supply these days and don't have much time for patient education, so it falls to nurses while the patient is hospitalized. Once discharged, the pharmacists as well as case managers and visiting nurses are very helpful in this area.
I'm sorry you're illiterate. It must be difficult.
The same way that grocery store cashiers have been replaced, R58... Automation, with minimal input from pharmacy techs.