- ‘May cause extreme drowsiness’’ reads the flashing warning on a pain killer that Will Smith takes after breaking both legs in his new movie — a caution that applies equally to “After Earth.’’
Basically, this is Smith and his real-life son, Jaden (both affecting ridiculous mid-Atlantic accents) talking the audience to death for something like 90 minutes before the closing credits.
I’m giving it one star because Smith’s longtime enablers at Sony apparently encouraged him to whittle this humorless sci-fi epic down from a much longer movie.
The back story in the opening narration — Earth’s evacuation following a vague environmental catastrophe — is boiled down to a couple of sentences.
After starring in the sci-fi flick “After Earth,” Jaden Smith may want to rethink his future as an actor.
A thousand years later, Smith is the aptly named Cypher, a general in the United Ranger Corps, the military arm of the former Earthlings who have settled on a distant planet and produced exceedingly dull descendants.
On the verge of retirement, Cypher decides to take his 14-year-old son, Kitai, along on his last mission.
The two have a frosty relationship because, we’re told, Kitai blames his frequently absent dad for his sister’s death. I have a sneaking suspicion that the fact Cypher wears a perpetual scowl probably doesn’t help things.
A meteor shower forces their spacecraft to crash land on Earth, where Cypher and son are the only survivors in a hostile environment.
“Do exactly as I tell you, and we will survive!’’ the disabled Cypher barks at Kitai in an order that would probably sound better if papa Smith had delivered it as a rap lyric.
Most of the film consists of Kitai traveling miles on foot to recover a rescue beacon, and then, even less interestingly, trying to find the intergalactic equivalent of a cellphone signal.
There are exactly two action sequences — brief pursuit by what look like deranged orangutans, and a climactic battle with a badly executed special effect that’s supposed to represent a deadly extraterrestrial.
Eleven years and several progressively more dreadful movies after “Signs,’’ director M. Night Shyamalan would be lucky to get a gig directing traffic.
His work on this reported $150 million vanity project manages to generate no suspense or excitement. Only yawns.
Will Smith, who co-produced with assorted family members, also contributed the vaguely
L. Ron Hubbard-ish story, for what is laughably described in the press notes as a “franchise.’’
The erstwhile box-office king, who appears to be suffering from delusions of grandeur in recent years, really should stick to his day job.
Separating father and son for most of the film certainly limits the dramatic possibilities. What’s more, while Jaden Smith pulled off the remake of “The Karate Kid,’’ he’s not quite a good enough actor (or sufficiently charismatic) to hold the screen by himself in scene after scene.
We’re left to ponder how Earth remains so green and leafy when the temperatures drop below freezing every night, or why all that plant life can’t supply sufficient oxygen so that Kitai doesn’t have to rely on an imperiled supply of inhalers.
He is able to receive Dad’s overbearing self-help lectures via a communication device — which, like all the 31st-century technology on view, is surprisingly more fragile than anything you could buy at the Apple store these days.
“Fear is not real, it is a production of your imagination!’’ Cypher exhorts Kitai. “Danger is very real but fear is a choice!’’
And so is avoiding the crashing bore that is “After Earth.’’
- What's a mid-Atlantic accent?
- I guarantee that most of the negative reviews are due to racism. I am sure the movie is good. I will at least give it a chance. I really suspect racism as the culprit. M. Night is a compelling filmmaker (with a couple of minor mis-steps, Last Airbender,etc.). Will Smith is one of the greatests actor out there and Jaden is better than people give him credit for. He gets better with every film.
- No surprise. I saw a trailer for this and it looked absolutely dreadful. Boring and stupid would be too much of a compliment.
- A Mid Atlantic accent describes a phony accent that is midway between Britain and the U.S.
- R3 Put down the crack pipe and move away. Put your hands in the air and be perfectly still. The men in the white suits are just going to take you somewhere safe.
- I wonder what closet Scientologist superstar will be slumming the gloryholes for solace after this bomb. L Ron Hubbard might have dissaproved of his behavior BUT the homosex feels so good....
- Oh fuck you, R3.
- It currently has a 17% rating on Rotten Tomatoes.
- R3 No Clamhead Boxer I would recognize you anywhere. The dark forces of Xenu can smell your rancid cunt all the way through the internet. We are watching you ,Ms Alley. The whole world knows Joan Revolta is gay BUT he's a rampaging hetty mess to you.
- Jesus, this movie looks awful. When I first saw the preview, I was not impressed. Then I found out it was directed by M. Night. That was all I needed to hear. I will avoid this one like the plague. M. Night's only halfway decent movie was Sixth Sense (and it was no classic). After Earth looks as bad as Battlefield Earth. I guess it's the duty of every $cientologist actor to make unwatchable Sci-fi movies.
John Revolta's Buttplug
- Thank you for being so obvious, R3. Sometimes it takes two posts for the Scientology shill to reveal him/herself.
There are probably better places on the web to fulfill your Scieno obligations, but suit yourself.
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- i actually was hoping it would be somewhat decent. like an updated version of one of those hanna-barbera sci-fi cartoons from the 60's (Herculoids).
apparently i was completely wrong. maybe *now* the studios will stop giving M Night whateverthefuck his name is money to direct movies. he's wealthy and can afford to sit back and do nothing the rest of his life.
- r3, it's not about racism. It's about a very obnoxious kid with his obnoxious father. Why didn't you cry racism when Smith's movies were successful?
- Of course R3 is a troll.
But the response from *some* is interesting.
- Really, I can't see this criticism as being racist. It is, in part, anti-Scientology. If Tom Cruise had done this with his son they would be after him.
I read that Wills son wants to be "emancipated" at 14 and Will is going to do it. That kid is going to have major problems in life. Smith should have made him stay a kid in the shadows fo a few more years.
- Yeah, this movie looks really bad. I usually like Will but this looks worse than Wild Wild West. It will likely be a massive hit anyway, but...
- Oh yes, R3, it's racism. Independence Day, I am Legend and Men in Black all bombed because people don't like Will's blackness.
- Does anyone else remember when Newsweek called M. Night "the next Spielberg"?
No wonder the rag went out of business.
- Sony must REALLY want another Men In Black sequel if they chose to bankroll this dead on arrival turd.
Jaden Smith, Noted
- R3 is either a very gifted troll or a complete idiot. Sometimes it's hard to tell the difference.
- About time this asshole get taken down a notch or two.
Unfortunately, this shitty movie will somehow still be a box office hit just because it's "Will Smith".
- Is Will Smith a Scientologist now? I know there's been hints about it but has he confirmed it? Instantly when I hear someone is into Scientology, they creep me out.
- LOL IRL, R3.
- I've always found the son insufferably bad and viewed his continued presence in Hollywood as proof of 1) his parents' delusions, 2) a sad reflection of the power of the clams and 3) a rip in the space-time continuum.
- Will Smith's demise and obscurity, and hopefully financial destruction cannot come soon enough for me.
The sooner he and his horrible, proud, obnoxious, rude little family disappear, the better.
- I avoid all movies/TV shows/music with ties to Scientology. My Uncle was killed in a "car accident" in the late-70s after leaving that shitty cult (after months of threats). I will never consciously support any endeavors of that church/business.
- Just fuck off r3.
Troll to stir up the[i] actual [/i]racist douchebags on this site. Thank you we don't need any more of this tripe. FFS
- The poster was right - this is his version of Battlefield Earth.
The ultimate price one pays for dancing with the devil- you have to go home with him at the end of the night.
We might finally see the beginning of the end of this meh actor.
- What's the twist at the end?
M. Night Ramalamadingdong pictures ALWAYS have a twist!
- R3 is joking. Isn't he?
- lol @R3's dumbassery.
- R3 Here, R29. I stand by what I said. I was not trying to stir anything up. I stated my opinion. I'm sorry if it is not a popular one. I genuinely like Mr. Smith and his son. I also like M Night. The racism theory IS a possibility. Sometimes people without color do not like to see people of color succeed. That's all I was saying.
And No to the other poster that claimed that I have ties to Will's church. I do not.
- [quote]maybe *now* the studios will stop giving M Night whateverthefuck his name is money to direct movies.
Will hand-picked M. Night so he knew he was getting in bed with a hack. He must've figured the Will Smith charm could make up for it.
- Down to 12% on Rotten Tomatoes yet 97% say they want to see it? Clams or R3?
R3--The "people who hate a Will Smith movie are racists" argument is pathetic. Truly pathetic.
- [quote] read that Wills son wants to be "emancipated" at 14 and Will is going to do it.
If they are Scienos it might be the church that wants him emancipated. In the thread about the Going Clear book there was a link that had a video with a former church member where she talks about the church orgs not wanting them to have kids. Something about the church not wanting the expense they generate.
- Sounds dreadful. Smith has made some good movies over the years but once he had kids and foisted their spoiled asses on us, it all went downhill. This sounds like his Battlefield Earth. No desire to see this at all.
- 34 I'm Black and I don't think it's racism. Will Smith is one of those people that have transcended race through his popularity the same way some athletic figures have. I do however think some people get turned off by the kid pimping though or maybe they just don't think the kid is talented and don't want to sit through watching him.
- [quote]Down to 12% on Rotten Tomatoes yet 97% say they want to see it? Clams or [[R3]]?
97% of the 44,000 people who bothered to vote want to see it. It'll probably be a decent opener though. Possibly $30-40 million for the weekend and perhaps a steep drop off after that once word gets out about its awfulness and that Will Smith is not in fact the star.
- I would be offended at a major movie star pimping his children even if the children were talented. Jaden is not appealing and cannot act.
Is there any precedent for a Hollywood star using his wealth and power to put his child into starring roles? By all accounts being a child star sucks, so it's unlikely Will enjoyed it himself. It's all vanity.
- This has nothing to do with racism. Morgan Freeman. Denzel Washington. Hallie Barry. Oh, hell, I could list a helluva lot of black stars whose movies rise or fall on a lot of things, NONE of them their skin color. Of course, someone will always pull the race card, though.
Maybe the movie is just bad and it has nothing to do with race? Will Smith has gotten many good reviews throughout his career and an Oscar Nomination.
- R2, think Jerry Hall.
- I usually like Will Smith's movies, but this one looks preposterous. Like a couple of others have said, it looks like another Battlefield Earth. Jaden had better save his money and invest in some schooling, or perhaps go into work on the other side of the camera. Acting is not his forte.
- men love action movies and will force their girls to go, it will make $300 million worldwide and the reviews won't matter
- Men like action movies that star men, not little obnoxious kids, R46.
- I don't enjoy Will's acting as much as I used to seems he takes himself too seriously now. I know he wants to be a serious actor at this point but he just doesn't have the chops for it and comes of looking like a hack. He used to have a great natural ability even when being serious in a role now he's trying too hard or something.
- I refuse to watch anything with Jaden Smith in it.
- We open with a voice-over, followed immediately by flashbacks. Incredibly, with these bold strokes, “After Earth” announces it will be terrible right from the outset, and woe be upon the person who holds out hope that it will get better after the initial wobbly start. It will not get better, it will only get worse, until you’re actively cheering for a teenage kid to get eaten by a tiger (and wanting the tiger to savor every bite)
- Everyone at work (the straighties) are all excited about this movie. I think it will make HUGE bucks this weekend. They don't seem to care about the bad reviews.
- Battlefield Earth II
- How did Will Smith go from being such a likeable actor to one who isn't so quickly? To me, Johnny Depp has followed the same trajectory. They both became outsized arrogant and it comes across in their interviews. That really dampens the charm.
- r3 & r34 are obviously being totally sarcastic. I am LOL'g at him. I love his sense of humor!
- I actually liked him until Pursuit of Happyness. Something changed for me then, maybe because of all the Oprah hype.
I'm hoping all the young males flock to it so I can quietly past them to get to the new Star Trek. I hate watching adventure movies in a theater full of testosterone.
- Smith has always been arrogant and an asshole, glad to see people are finally realizing it. And that kid of his is a shit.
- The entire movie is Jaden, from what the LA Times said. But it's being marketed as a Will Smith film with a father/son theme. I thought it would be the two of them traipsing through a feral earth trying to survive together. Sort of The Road on steroids. That actually could be a cool film.
It's not. It's just the son. The annoying little pimped out son. Box office people predict a 35 million opening weekend (which is horrible for Will), and then word of mouth is going to suck. People love Will, but Jaden? Nope. And I think even not-so-sophisticated movie watchers don't like to be blatantly lied to in the marketing of a film.
- M. Night Shyamalan is still getting work off the back of The Sixth Sense?
- Has anyone drawn any comparisons to Battlefield Earth yet?
I think that totally applies to this film.
- Everyone I know is already excitedly buying tickets online. It's disgusting. They know it's going to be shit but they are excited to see it just the same. It's crazy!
- I'm so sorry for them.
- Lol, R60, it's the opposite with my friends. Everyone I know is all too willing to avoid this barker.
- Who are your friends, R60? I went to see Star Trek on Sunday night and the most of audience mockingly laughed at the trailer. That accent? The scowl? The animated sabertooth?
The movie will make about 120 mil domestic and 200 mil foreign. Great for most people, but horrible for a Will Smith summer blockbuster film.
- That's more than they deserve for such an obvious bait & switch.
- I'm not one to say race is always a factor, but the anger and animosity directed toward not just Will Smith, but the entire Smith family, the calls for death, denigration of physical attributes, etc, strike me as bizarre and over the top. And I don't believe it can all be chalked up to anger over nepotism or dislike of a (typical) cocky teen.
- They are predicting an Oscar nomination for Jaden for this movie. It should be the first of many.
- [quote]They are predicting an Oscar nomination for Jaden for this movie.
In which category? Best Performance by an Alien in a Human Role?
- Looks like another 95% CGI piece of shit. And that Smith kid looks like he has fetal alcohol syndrome.
- I'm black and don't think the Will Smith hate is racist. I'm sure some of it is, but not all of it.
The fact is that he just hasn't made a good movie for quite some time.
And trying to force his brats on us ain't helping.
- Yeah, Lil Short Bus is NOT gonna happen.
- I think I'm like most people. I used to enjoy Will Smith for his summer blockbuster fare. He oozed charm and was easy to relate to. But once reports of his ego became rampant and once he started foisting his kids upon us all, the dislike began to set in. His charm wore off and I could no longer relate to him. BTW the same thing is happening to Johnny Depp. And Anne Hathaway.
His race has nothing to with it and insinuating it does makes no sense. Did his race have anything to do with the fact he's the biggest box office draw on the planet?
- r39, people don't "transcend" race. The color of my skin is not some inherent handicap that needs to be overcome. They transcend the racism that comes when others have a problem with the color of their skin. Racism, not race, is he the handicap.
That said, I find Will Smith and that kid of his no more or less offensive than any of the many, MANY box office stars that coast by creating crap every year. Vince Vaughn, Adam Sandler, etc. etc. create movies that are far worse, but DL just seems to have a major problem with WS and his spawn which DEFINITELY comes off as racist here.
This movie's failure though, and it WILL fail, has nothing to do with race and everything to do with the fact that it looks like a first class, grade-A stinker. The kid is obviously not ready for this, and I question the decision to put a tentpole pic essentially in his hands.
- R65 I am black and I totally disagree with you. People are offended that Will is trying to buy his kids a career on his name. I really can't think of another actor who has been so blatant with kids that young. He is a classic stage parent. Jaden has a horrid attitude and comes off as rude and arrogant. Willow is better but her song was dumb and she is in an awkward stage-I feel bad saying it but she ain't cute.
To see one of the most successful African-Americans in Hollywood display such poor parenting is sad. He should be pushing his kids to educate themselves (even if they did become entertainers),instead Willow had to beg to be in school.
- No, R72. People started hating on Will since he started shoving his kids down America's throat. The nepotism just rubs people the wrong way. Add the Scieno school that Will and Jada established (the clams are DL attack catnip) and the fact that he comes off as a major ego maniac and you've got a perfect storm for DL bashing. That article of him talking nonsense doesn't help either. In any case, I disagree that he's bashed even that much compared to the likes of Tom Cruise and others.
- Totally ridiculous R72. No one hates Jaden because he's black. We hate him because he has no talent, acts like he's cured cancer because he did a remake of the Karate Kid, and has been foisted upon us because his dad is hugely famous. Ditto for Will. Will was fairly beloved until his ego started becoming ocean sized.
I promise you if one of the Jolie Pitts starts acting in films financed by their production company, and comes across smug and unduly arrogant, they would be loathed as well.
And Sandler gets ripped to shreds here. Vaughn? Vaughn used to do some funny work. He sucks now. Oh and neither have their offspring in films. So, it's a poor comparison.
- Racism my ass, R3! I am white and I like Will Smith and his films quite a bit. I have seen nearly all of his movies and I usually enjoy him in any role he plays. This "After Earth" movie reeks of stinkage, though. A turd movie is a turd movie. I didn't rush out to see Travolta in Battlefield Earth either because it looked like a shit movie in the previews. It's the same with After Earth!
- Jaden Smith is no Liza Minnelli!
- [quote]he anger and animosity directed toward not just Will Smith, but the entire Smith family, the calls for death, denigration of physical attributes, etc, strike me as bizarre and over the top.
Maybe because the Smiths themselves are bizarre and over the top.
- Bullshit $ciento propaganda.
- I love Science-Fiction and was kind of excited about this movie when I first read about it last year. I just watched the trailer. It think I'll save my money and go see Iron Man 3, Mud, Fast & the Furious 6, or Star Trek Into Darkness again. Probably Star Trek!
- Word is that Will Smith is hardly in the movie at all. He supposedly sits in a chair the whole movie and talks to Junior via radio. It's Junior's movie, not Will's. It's a shame. I would have liked seeing a good Will Smith movie to kick off summer.
- We need to stop supporting any and all clams, period. Tom, Revolta, Smith, Smith's spawn, and please let them fire Elizabeth Moss who is a downward drag on MM.
- The sun will come out Tomorrow. Tomorrow. You are only a day away.
- If DLers hated Will Smith because he is black they would hate other black actors. They don't. They hate Anne Hathaway, Gwyneth Paltrow and Tom Cruise. It's a matter of being an asshole, not of race.
- "I guarantee that most of the negative reviews are due to racism."
Yes, "racism" would explain the many positive reviews Will Smith's prior movies received.
- Scieno trolls are trying to derail online discussions of how much this film sucks by injecting "racism" into it. The DL is not the only place this is happening.
Make "racism" the discussion, not how the film is shit, the kid can't act his way out of a paper bag, Will Smith's barely in it and how it's Battlefield Earth Part Deux.
Typical Scieno tactics. *yawn*
This thing is going to tank and tank big.
- Do you think he's into anal or just sticks to oral action. Momma wants to know.
- R85, your cynicism is quite racist.
If you weren't so clueless about being racist, you would realize that earlier good reviews by "reputable" and "mainstream" reviewers were just the result of tokenism, and setting up Will for a take-down. Build them up/tear them down so they fall farther and that way you put all sun people in their place. Destroy the heroes. Hurt their families. It's so obvious. And since it was Will's vision behind the movie, they hate him even more for being uppity.
Thank God that real people will see through this and go see the movie in solidarity with the cause of justice. My aunts and their church friends are going, even though they do not like science fiction. Because it is the right thing to do. We have to fight racism and supporting Will in this will help, no matter how unpleasant the experience is.
And after all the lying hate speech about black fathers not supporting their children, here is a world leader helping his son and working with him, showing him the path to success. And the racists just try to tear the family down, to keep people feeling. Honestly, you all are so dumb, racism-wise.
- +10 for blatant racial trolling, R88. Great extra added touches in "a world leader" (brilliant!) and "showing him the path to success."
- Some of you are probably cumming because the movie got bad reviews.
- The "twist" is that the Will Smith character is dead and L'il Smith doesn't find out until the end.
Wow you figured out the media's ultimate plan to take down Will Smith. They have showered him with praise for the many GOOD movies he has made over the years and have been patiently biding their time. The media has shown him in a positive light allowing him to become one of the highest paid actors in Hollywood so that the fall would be that much harder. They have been plotting since 1996 when Will starred in "Independance Day" catapulting him to superstardom. The last 17 years has all lead up to this, the moment when the media can finally exact their revenge against the evil black man, Will Smith.
Are you really that delusional?
Audiences love Will Smith, this is proven by the tremendous amount of money his films have made. People do not like that he is hoisting his children on the public in a bid to make them stars.
Race has nothing to do with a badly reviewed film. Maybe the film is really just not that good? Seems to make a lot more sense than the conspiracy theories you are concocting.
- Do "people" really not like Will Smith, or is it just Datalounge and other pop culture addicts? It seems to me that the vast majority of people are rather unaware of Smith's supposed turn toward hollow egocentrism.
- [quote]people don't "transcend" race
r39 you take offense if you like. and it appears you like.
transcend: to rise above or go beyond the limits of; to triumph over the negative or restrictive aspects of; to outstrip or outdo in some attribute, quality, or power; to rise above or extend notably beyond ordinary limits.
- Will this be his Battlefield Earth?
- R88 is just a Scieno troll trying to derail this thread.
The movie is awful. Jaden Smith can't act. Will Smith's talent has been sucked out of him by Scientology. This movie is filled with fucked up Scieno-babble. It's not an action film, there are only a couple of real action scenes in the whole thing.
This movie is nothing but a poorly made scam. People who like Will Smith's summer movies will go and be seriously disappointed when they get stuck with a boring, talky, clamfest propaganda piece.
Don't give Scientology your money.
- "After Earth merits comparison with 2000's Battlefield Earth, John Travolta's godawful film tribute to the sci-fi novel by Scientology founder L. Ron Hubbard. Yes, it's that bad."
- [quote]"I guarantee that most of the negative reviews are due to racism."
Racism my ass. Will Smith is the biggest box office star in the world.
According to Rotten Tomatoes, 97% of people want to see the movie. (That's Will Smith's box office draw right there)
13% positive on the Tomatometer = Massive Stink Bomb
This is going to be Will Smith's "Ishtar"
- "Mr. Smith and his wife, Jada Pinkett Smith, are producers on "After Earth," which suggests that there was no one on the production who could really say no to him."
- "Every bit as bad as you'd fear of a movie from the writer of 'The Book of Eli' and the director of 'The Last Airbender.' Where are the guys from Mystery Science Theater when you need them?"
- You can always detect racist reviews of black actors. Positive ones are tokenism. Negative ones express racism directly.
Only middling ones are not racist.
- I liked Men In Black 3, despite Will Smith's race.
- Sounds to me like we have another Battlefield Earth type fiasco on our hands.
- Is Will's collapse complete?
- What's on Will Smith's career's iPod?
- If it turns out that it gets verified that Will is involved with Scientology, do you think it will hurt his image and effect his career?
- Mr. Shyamalan just can't catch a break can he? He's really scraping the bottom of the barrel directing this Smith family vanity project.
[quote]NYTIMES: Once upon a time, Hollywood parents gave their children sports cars as gifts. These days, apparently nothing less than a big-screen vanity project will do for Junior.
- It's going to get crushed by Fast and Furious 6.
- Jesus H Christ. The entire family is the personification of smug. And they're Scienos to boot. What's to like?
Count me among the many who used to think Will Smith was charming and funny. I thought he was great in MiB. I've never liked Jaden's sullen puss, but hate it just as much when Bieber makes the same faux tough guy pouty face.
I'm not racist for finding this family to be incredibly tiresome. As loathsome as they are, at least the idiot Kardashians have a tiny sense of humor about themselves. Not the Smiths.
- I thinks he's a top. Maybe a bottom over time, but for now, he's a top.
- My home town paper had an article on famous Scientologists and the Smiths were at the top of the list after Tom Cruise.
- You're not allowed to say that, R103. It's racist.
- Couldn't happen to a more deserving celebrity family
- Razzies galore await this pile of cinematic dung.
- They are already reporting that Jaden needs acting lessons. I'm guessing that this film is based on $cientology.
And, what is the surprise at the end? M. Night Shyamalan always has a surprise ending.
- "After Earth" is getting horrendous reviews on Rotten Tomatoes....13%!
- The clams in this thread are really tiresome. Just go away. I know lil Davey Miscabbage gave his orders but c'mon! This movie has 'Battlefield Earth' written all over it.
- Someone mentioned the surprise twist, is it for real?
- I love these reviews! So deserved. But how will the most smugly deluded self-aggrandizing family on earth rationalize it all?
"A forgettable slice of cinematic nepotism."
- [quote]I would have liked seeing a good Will Smith movie to kick off summer.
- Clam bake:
There’s even a nod to “Moby-Dick” shortly before Cypher and Kitai’s spaceship crashes to Earth, throwing them together for the usual and less-so life lessons like: “Root yourself in this present moment. Danger is very real. But fear is a choice.”
Casual students of Scientology may find their ears pricking up at those maxims because fear and its overcoming receive a lot of play in “Dianetics,” a foundational text by the creator of Scientology, the pulp science-fiction writer L. Ron Hubbard. “There are five ways in which a human being reacts toward a source of danger,” he wrote in “Dianetics.” “These are also the five courses he can take on any given problem.” These options are attack, flee, avoid, neglect or succumb.
- R122, you just know Will likes to "succumb" to fear. Big, fat, long, hard, fear. LOLZ.
- r91, if you are telling the truth you suck. I wouldn't go see this in the theater but I would probably watch it on cable.
- I've seen it...bad as they are saying.
- @65. You need to read some black gossip websites before making idiotic comments.
Does anyone think Jaden is self-conscious about the size of his forehead? He is raising his eyebrows on almost every pic.
- Will Smith was good in two movies that I've seen.
Six Degrees of Separation, though he was badly miscast. (It's based on a true story and the real life grifter comes across as very gay and sophisticated, which might fool some chi-chi NYers to believe that he was Sidney Poitier's son. Smith came across like LaWanda Page's lost son.)
The other one was Independence Day. It was a complete steal from the miniseries V, which was pointed out jokingly in the NBC series remake of V. Still, Smith was good in it.
Everything else he's done seems to be a parody of his character in Independence Day, or his Fresh Prince persona.
Quite appropriate that he got sucked in, no pun intended, by Tom Cruise. They're both self-referential and unintentionally auto-satirical.
- [quote]Does anyone think Jaden is self-conscious about the size of his forehead? He is raising his eyebrows on almost every pic.
It's called ACTING. Sheesh.
- Jaden is a mini Tom Cruise. Boycott this movie because Scientology is harmful to your health (unless you keep quiet and do as they say). Man up Will, leave me and my lady lover alone! Lady fist,
- @129, not picture(film), every photo he takes...dummy.
- Newbs who are referring to previous posters PLEASE READ:
Let's say you want to comment on reply 34. All you have to do is write: r34
(no need to use @34 or reply 34 or just 34)
That's it. Then, fellow posters can scroll over the r34 from your post and read what was written there without having to go back into the thread!
- What is a clam?
- r88 can't be real can she? I am LOL'g so hard about this! [italics]Justice![/italics] ROTFL
[quote]Thank God that real people will see through this and go see the movie in solidarity with the cause of justice. My aunts and their church friends are going, even though they do not like science fiction. Because it is the right thing to do. We have to fight racism and supporting Will in this will help, no matter how unpleasant the experience is.
- Very Clammy. (for those on the short bus & new here, it means Scientology). Even kiss ass Roger Friedman says it's a Scientology film and it's total shit. Roger Friedman of all people said this!
Will Smith Movie “After Earth” Being Called out By Critics for Scientology References
05/31/13 12:10amRoger Friedman0
“After Earth,” the new Will Smith movie, is a bust. At least critically. Almost every critic and movie blogger hated, including yours truly. The movie is being cited for being dull, slow, and humorless. But it’s also being cited for referring to the text of Scientology, Dianetics.
The tag line of the film is “Fear is a choice.” It’s emblazoned on shoulder bags that were given away at the premiere the other night. Now both the New York Times and Wall Street Journal have called out Smith– who invented the story– for repurposing gobbledygook of Scientology in the “After Earth” monologues. They’re right of course.
Smith denies being involved in Scientology. But he’s been closely associated with Tom Cruise. He funds a private school in Calabasas, California that teaches Scientology curriculum. And his whole “I can save the world” gestalt–humorless, un-ironic, savior stuff– coincides with his statements from a few years ago that Scientology had as much validity as the Bible.
“After Earth” is such a bore that it’s unlikely anyone will join Scientology after getting through it. Joe Morgenstern in the Wall Street Journal actually wonders in his piece today if it’s the worst movie ever made? (Worse than “Cable Guy,” or “Gigli” or “Glitter”? Hmmm….) Maybe it’s Scientology traininy osmosis or subliminal communication. Because most people will be sleeping through this interminable film.
- It's just an awful movie. I did like Will and Jaden together in Pursuit of Happyness though.
But at least Jaden seems really into what he's doing. The daughter's made so many comments about really not wanting to be a performer and wishing she could go to school and live a normal life, and her parents not letting her. That's terrible.
- The twist at the end is that Jaden Smith's career doesn't exist. It's all in his mind.
- Now at 12% on Rotten Tomatoes....this is even worse than they initially projected. No wonder the clams are clogging sites and urging people to see it.
- [quote] Joe Morgenstern in the Wall Street Journal actually wonders in his piece today if it’s the worst movie ever made?
Rupert Murdoch strikes again!
- r3 is either M Night or the hustler he picked up a couple of nights ago.
- Folks, sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.
There's no hiding behind racism claims or clam hate, the movie is just a turd. It could've starred Brad Pitt and Liam Hemsworth as father and son and it'd still be a turd.
- The LA Times is going to town on this. They've already published a on overview of major reviews and it's brutal.
- Im black and I wouldn't see the movie...not to say that there arent white people who wont see the movie because Will is black. But those would be very few.
I really dont understand DL 's problem with Jaden.
Anyway I would still love to have sex with Will Smith, he has one best asses in entertainment!
- This cracked me up.
[quote]Mick LaSalle of the San Francisco Chronicle wrote that "After Earth" finds Shyamalan "branching out, coming up with new ways to make bad movies. His plan must be to exhaust all possibilities so as to eventually come full circle and make a good one by accident."
- [quote]I really dont understand DL 's problem with Jaden.
Look up "nepotism". The "problem" with it goes far beyond DL.
- I'm white, love Will and science fiction, but I won't see this for two reasons:
1. It looks boring as hell. I expect to run across it on STars or Scyfy next year on a Saturday afternoon.
2. I am a bit tired of the Smiths forcing their children down our throats with big budget garbage they don't have the talent (yet, maybe) to carry.
- Nepotism and he's completely charmless. I've always found the Sr. Smith obnoxious, not charming but Jaden can't be bothered to even do that. I recall when Jaden was just a tot and Will would bring the whole Smith gang to award shows, sometimes in all matching outfits. Even then, Jaden was a sullen brat. Cut to a few years later and there he is presenting at the Oscars with Abigail Breslin. Still surly, still angry. IIRC he practically stormed off the stage before they were done. That's my main problem with the kid, he doesn't seem to have any idea how lucky he is. Or was if Scientology has its talons into him.
- Jaden seemed personable enough on Graham Norton last night. Totally inappropriate for Will to bring him on what is clearly an adult show, but he was talkative and friendly and even enthusiastic in the silly rap and dance number with Will, Jazzy Jeff and Alfonso.
- R3 is one of the most laughable troll posts of all time.
The gist is basically "criticism of a work featuring a performer of color" = "racism". So if a film features minority cast members, you're racist if you don't support it. The only reason a film with a performer of color would fail is because of racism. Critics who don't applaud every work that a performer of color appears in are automatically racist. It's also racist to choose not see a Will Smith movie.
It's almost certainly a scieno troll, too. They seem unable to hide their absurd reasoning and cockamamie logic.
- Will has a SMOKIN' hot body, and a very nice face (discounting the jughead ears). I've always liked him and even have a couple of his CDs.
I think his son has toned down the "entitled brat" thing. I saw them both interviewed on some morning talk show a couple weeks ago, and the boy was very charming and not at all arrogant like he used to seem to be. He (Jaden) even watched some old clips of himself and then said something to the effect that he could't believe what a brat/ham he used to be. It was a very sweet interview.
Will is such a loving dad - kissing his son without hesitation or embarrassment. You can tell he absolutely adores his children.
- Couldn't happen to a better person (well, maybe Mel Gibson or Russell Crowe).
I guess the racist angle didn't work so now they are going with the hot daddy angle.
- Mark Harris tweeted this "If After Earth makes any money this weekend I hope there will be a headline SMITH FAMILY ROBBIN' SOME." I think that's rather clever.
- Great flame bait, R3. They fell for it.
- How is"Kitai" pronounced? It sounds like the name of a LOLcat
- Dear Will Smiff,
Hide yo kids, hide yo wife.
- I can't wait to see "AFTER EARTH". Sometimes the critics wouldn't know a good movie if it crawled up and kissed them. I think the movie looks FABULOUS and I will give my full review tomorrow. I am sure it will be ASTONISHINGLY AWESOME (just like all of Will and Jaden's movies)!
- R158 Thank you. I was just kidding. I wouldn't watch "After Earth" on a FUCKING DARE. I just felt like being silly. It's one of those days.
- [quote]...coincides with his statements from a few years ago that Scientology had as much validity as the Bible.
Well, to be fair to him, he's right about that, in as much as neither of them have any validity whatsoever.
- The movie is expected to make less than $100MM for the duration of it's run...
Weekend Predictions: Will After Earth Have a Magical Start?
Post-holiday weekends tend to feature weak releases and this time is no exception. After Earth is a film that should be a massive summer blockbuster, given its genre and its star, but the buzz is terrible. Now You See Me is the counter-programming release, but it should have a better opening than After Earth, relative to expectations and production budget. That said, Fast and Furious 6 will very likely remain on top of the box office chart. This weekend last year was the weekend Snow White and the Huntsman debuted and it earned $56 million. There's pretty much no chance any film will earn that much during this weekend. In fact, the two wide releases might not make that much combined.
Fast and Furious 6 opened faster than expected last weekend, and while the post-holiday weekend will cause it to slow down, it will likely be too fast for the new releases to catch it. With strong reviews, the film could pull in as much as $45 million from Friday through Sunday, but just over $40 million is more likely. This would still put it on pace to reach $200 million by the end of next weekend and it is more than enough to make the studio happy.
After Earth is a summer sci-fi release starring Will Smith, who used to rule the summer Blockbuster. The key phrase there is, "used to". This time last year, Men in Black 3 opened to a respectable $55 million, but it was also part of a major franchise, which is not the case here. Additionally, After Earth is not starring Will Smith as much as it is starring Jaden Smith, his son. There are a lot of people saying this film was a passion project for Will Smith in order to turn his son into an action star. If that was his goal, it might backfire. Currently the film is earning 13% positive reviews. That's a disaster, no matter how you slice it. Worse still for Jaden, a lot of the negative reviews are aimed at him. This is a challenging movie for him, as his character is usually the only one on the screen for most of the movie and most critics say he is just not up to the challenge. Expectations range from the high $20 million range to nearly $40 million. The higher end is more likely than the lower end and I'm going with $36 million over the weekend, but I don't think that will be enough to get to $100 million in total.
Now You See Me features an impressive cast, but the reviews are merely mixed. Granted, 42% positive reviews are not a selling point, but they likely won't be fatal either. Fans of heist movies or of the members of the ensemble cast should turn up. Tower Heist was able to open with $24 million in 2011, but it was also the big release of the week and not counter-programming. That figure isn't impossible, but $22 million is more likely.
Star Trek into Darkness is cruising towards $200 million and should add another $19 million over the weekend for a total of $184 million after three.
Epic and The Hangover III should be in a close battle for fifth place. Epic has better reviews and a family-friendly target demographic, which should help it out. On the other hand, The Hangover III had a faster start and won't have benefited quite as much from the holiday. I think Epic will come out on top $18 million to $17 million, but it's close enough that they could switch positions during the weekend.
- If given only two choices, "After Earth" or a close-up video of Rosie O'Donnell taking a big, stinky dump on a glass coffee table, I would likely have to toss a coin to make the choice of which to see. Both seem equally unappealing.
D. Thomas, Deceased
- You people have no idea what goes into the making of a motion picture in Hollywood. If you did, you would respect and be in complete awe of what Will and my Godson have tried to accomplish with After Earth. I know I will be first in line to see my boy Will and his boy, Jaden.
- I can't get over this glowing review of this dreck on io9.com.
But then again, any dude with the middle name of "Jane" can't be taken seriously for anything, can he? Check out his profile pic...is that a guy or a girl? Or maybe someone very confused?
- It looks like M. Night is fast becoming a second rate Uwe Boll. Uwe may as well have directed this After Erff shit.
- M. Night Shyamalan may be a questionable director, but he is one sexy looking motherfucker.
- R166 Surely, you can't be serious! Did you drop acid in the last hour or two? M. Night is one fugly bitch!
- If this movie grosses $100 million world wide this weekend, I will shoot myself. It will prove the lack of taste of the people of the world. I will be too disgusted to live.
- Some reviewers are saying this movie is worst than both Gigli and Battlefield Earth. That's a pretty scathing assessment.
- "Not since John Travolta kicked the tires on Battlefield Earth and pronounced it good to go has there been a big-name flameout as disastrous as this."
- Oh Jada, why wait until the weekend is over?
Just go for it!
- "Jaden Smith (who was actually good in THE KARATE KID) winds up looking like a nervous child who, forced to play baseball by his father, strikes out with the bases loaded."
- This is going to be the biggest RAZZIE winner since "Showgirls"
- Just imagine the flack poor Jaden is going to have to endure back at $ciento Private $chool next fall. He'll never live down this humiliation.
- Worse than Showgirls, Battlefield Earth & Gigli. That's very bad!
- IT CAN'T BE THAT BAD, PEOPLE!!!
- Did you see this? That kid will never be an action star ...
- The critics are ANGRY.
They say the movie is not "bad" it's... "boring" and the only reason it got made was as a Will Smith Vanity project trying to shove his son down our throats as the next big summer blockbuster star.
Being subjected to Will Smith's ego bullshit is what is pissing everybody off.
Battlefield Earth, by comparison, is BAD BAD BAD. As in mind numbingly stupid. Throw all logic out the door dumb. A movie made for MST3K.
- M. Night Shyamalan looks like a human troll doll, R166.
- We did go and the response was so great at at my aunts' church that it took both church vans to carry them all to the movie house. And after the first few minutes many of the ladies were so motivated that they decided to go out on the street and protest racism while the movie was on. It was a very hot day and rained for ten minutes, too, but nothing could get those ladies to give up their righteous zeal and go back into that theater. And I was there with them.
That's how the community rallies around its most important spokesactors and their babies. Because Jaden and Willow are our future, like I heard the movie said.
Now stop this hate. Just because you call it reviewing and reacting and thinking and criticizing and being honest doesn't mean it's not racism.
- True R143. I'm quite sure that there are people who dislike him because he's black, but I don't think that's why the movie is receiving bad reviews from film critics. But everybody has a right to their opinion, we all perceive things differently. I'm also black and I'm just going to be honest, I find Will Smith fake, obnoxious, and annoying. His obnoxious, fake laugh (along with those dead eyes) makes me cringe. His eyes always look miserable. With that said, I'd hit it too. That ass is legendary.
- After Earth Is Will Smith’s Love Letter to Scientology
Will Smith has never spoken openly of his connections to the Church of Scientology, but they are well documented. Whether or not Smith is a devout member or simply curious about this Hollywood faith, he has visible ties to the group. In 2007, he donated $122,500 to several Scientology rehabilitation organizations. Two years later, he and wife Jada Pinkett Smith opened California's New Village Leadership Academy, a private school founded on the teachings of Scientology creator L. Ron Hubbard. Yet to this day, when asked about his own involvement, Smith suggests close friend Tom Cruise introduced him to the practices of Scientology, but that he's not a member. He's simply a "student of world religion."
The clearest evidence of Smith's investment in Scientology might be his newest blockbuster film — this weekend’s After Earth. Based on a story by Smith (and a script by Gary Whitta and director M. Night Shyamalan), the film is a father-son adventure that teams the superstar with his wunderkind offspring Jaden. Together, they traverse the dangerous landscapes of a creature-ridden future Earth. Surprisingly, what's been advertised as an Avatar remix plays out more like Battlefield Earth, another film that hews to the tropes of a science-fiction epic — just like Hubbard's doctrines for Scientology. Here’s how the film parallels the faith’s teachings:
The Movie's Villain Is Emotion
"Danger Is Real. Fear Is a Choice," reads the tagline on the After Earth posters. Its vast cosmology aside, at its core, Scientology is about setting doubts and conflict aside in order to value the self. That's the main hurdle for Jaden's character Kitai Raige, who finds himself failing to measure up to his commander father, Cypher. The film is set 1,000 years after humans have departed an ecologically devastated Earth. Mankind is asserting itself as an intergalactic military presence on the outskirts of the universe. There is only one problem: Their new planet, Nova Prime, hosts a vicious alien race that feeds on fear. Luckily they have Cypher — he's known as a "ghost," a human who can suppress his emotions and the accompanying pheromones that allow the aliens to sniff people out.
In Scientology terms, Cypher is a properly cleansed "thetan," the Church's version of a soul. He's calm and collected, empowered without having to demonstrate that power. As Cypher puts it in the film, "fear is imaginary," and if a person is able to see past that illusion, they can be maximally effective. Kitai is the opposite of his father. In Church terms, he is a misguided thetan — full of rage, haunted by memories, and terrified when out of his comfort zone. He has a desire to be a hero, but it’s not instinctual. His choices are guided by what he thinks are his father's demands. Hubbard's writing has indicated that Scientology's goal is to rehabilitate a thetan's control over MEST (matter, energy, space, and time). Kitai’s journey over the course of the film is that pursuit. He must regain control over the physical world through management of his fear.
Will "Audits" Jaden Over the Course of the Movie
One of the most powerful moments in 2012's The Master is when Lancaster Dodd (Philip Seymour Hoffman) "processes" Freddie Quell (Joaquin Phoenix). An interrogation meant to peel back the layers of the emotionally damaged sailor, it's a riff on Scientology's practice of auditing. The Church believes people are stricken by engrams, mental images akin to memories that cause pain and confusion. Members of Scientology are audited to rid themselves of these emotional blockades by talking through them while using an E-meter (a device that tracks electrical resistance) to measure precisely where the engrams live.
The bulk of After Earth is essentially that scene from The Master on a blockbuster scale. Following a crash landing on Earth, circumstances require Cypher to remain at a control panel while his son battles his way through the wild. Kitai can barely take a step outdoors without flashing back to a moment when he wi
- 'Now You See Me' Beats 'After Earth' at Thursday Box Office
By Brent Lang
The magic-themed thriller "Now You See Me" pulled off a neat trick by edging out the bigger budgeted "After Earth" in Thursday night screenings.
The caper film made off with $1.5 million at 2,100, while the Will Smith futuristic adventure attracted a meager $1 million in ticket sales at 3,401 locations, according to studio estimates.
Neither film is projected to be crowned the box-office winner, however. That honor goes to "Fast and Furious 6," which is on track to make off with more than $40 million in its second weekend of release.
Though "Now You See Me"s' accomplishment is notable -- coming as it did on fewer screens and armed with less star power -- it did have one extra set of showings to rack up those numbers. "After Earth" began its screenings at 9 p.m. while "Now You See Me" started showing at 7 p.m.
"After Earth" is projected to finish the weekend with a $35 million haul, according to industry analysts, but it's not clear if its relatively weak showing on Thursday will mean that those estimates will need to be revised downward.
The $130-million film is being released by Sony and co-stars Smith's son Jaden. Given Will Smith's track record of releasing blockbuster event films like "Hancock" and "Men in Black" in the height of summer, the sluggish opening is surprising.
Reviews have been savage, however, and promotional materials leaned heavily on the less-tested Jaden. Moreover, even with a star as appealing and recognizable as Smith, launching an original film in a sea of sequels is always a challenge.
"Now You See Me" was produced by Summit/Lionsgate and is expected to generate as much as $20 million in its debut weekend.
- I bet it's pretty bad, but if it does well at the box office, the studio won't care.
It looks SOOO generic. I know Will Smith is a draw, but not so much that this will get huge numbers? And, while kids may know that Jaden Smith is Will Smith's son, I don't think he's a draw for them. Are teenagers or people in their early 20s going to go see this for Jaden Smith? I highly doubt it. But, you never know. Some pretty bad movies do fairly well in terms of money.
- The movie doesn't look good but someone is actually trying to make the comparison that the Smiths are like the Kardashian trash, which is absolutely insulting.
Will and Jada are famous for a reason. I agree that their two kids are pushed into the limelight, but at least they are trying to get by on talent. And the family appears to be a lot more stable than Miss Jenner's pimping out her daughter's sex tape.
I do think people are offended by seeing a highly intelligent black couple who aren't bumping and grinding for the white folk.
- R185. No. I am white and I like and respect both Will and Jada. I will not go see a movie solely because I like its star(s), so After Earth is definitely not on my agenda this weekend.
I enjoy most of Will's movies and have purchased many of them for home viewing. On the other hand, I loathe the Kardashians with the intensity of a thousand suns.
- 'I do think people are offended by seeing a highly intelligent black couple who aren't bumping and grinding for the white folk.'
I disagree with that statement, R185. In most of Will Smith's big hits, not the Oscar bait ones, that's pretty much what he does but they call it charm.
This isn't about race, this is Scientology hubris. It happened to Travolta, it happened to Cruise, and now it's Smith. Who will be the next 'Messenger' to fail?
I always think of Smith like Mark Wahlberg in that they both got lucky pretending to be rap artists, somehow parlayed that good fortune into movie careers and have become arrogant, humorless pricks.
- [quote]I do think people are offended by seeing a highly intelligent black couple
Which couple are you talking about? Surely not Will and Jada. Did you not read all the nonsense Will's been spewing of late. Mostly self-absorbed gobbledygook.
- [quote]Friday Update #2: Sources tell BoxOffice that early numbers are not promising for After Earth. The sci-fi flick could end up with around $7 million on Friday, which means it might struggle to hit even $20 million during its debut frame. AE will need to do well with families on Saturday if it wants to post a stronger opening weekend. These are VERY early numbers, so a surge is still a real possibility.
[quote]Now You See Me should hit $7 million on Friday, and it's looking at a $20 million start. That would be a solid result for the magic-themed flick considering that the market is full of spectacle films right now.
- I like you, R180. Like your church group, I would far rather stand in the rain for 10 minutes than see this movie.
- Kisses, R190!
- If there is a surge, I'll be skeptical of it. That cult will probably send out their minions to purchase tickets.
- Why is Will Smith denying that he's a Scientologist if he's not?
- [quote]It’s a calamitously one-note, unpersuasive performance that’s a match to that of Jaden, a pretty teenager with jumpy eyebrows whose character remains an insufferable brat. Once upon a time, Hollywood parents gave their children sports cars as gifts.
The NY Times nailed it.
- Gettin' jiggy wit it!
- [quote]Jaden, a pretty teenager with jumpy eyebrows whose character remains an insufferable brat
I assuming that NYT writer is a DLer? lol
- The film is getting the worse reviews of all time. Didn't Will Smith see "Battlefield Earth"? Nobody is interested in seeing a $cientology film.
- [quote]I assuming that NYT writer is a DLer? lol
I doubt Manohla Dargis posts here, but it would be awesome if she did.
Alonso Duralde--who I think does post here--titled his review "Parents Just Don't Understand" which made me giggle a lot.
The Voice of the Night
- The twist is that Jaden is actually dead but Will doesn't find out until the end...unfortunately, the audience figures out right away that Jaden is dead based on his one-note blank-stare performance.
- Seriously R199? That's actually the story?
- Yes, one of the characters is actually dead.
- [quote]Yes, one of the characters is actually dead.
So, one character spends the whole movie talking to a dead person? Oh, M. Night...
- Even if this movie had been great, I would not have gone to see it. I escaped $cientology (my former parents are members and I was born into it) and I still shudder from the nightmares. I will never support any movies starring $cientology members. That cult is so fucking whacked out and the members are money grubbing shit bags. They are the equivalent of Satanists. Fuck all of them!
- [quote]They are predicting an Oscar nomination for Jaden for this movie. It should be the first of many.
"They" who? Xenu and his minions?
- “In After Earth, one thousand years after cataclysmic events forced humanity’s escape from Earth, Nova Prime has become mankind’s new home. Legendary General Cypher Raige (played by Will Smith) returns from an extended tour of duty to his estranged family, ready to be a father to his 13-year-old son, Kitai (played by Jaden Smith). When an asteroid storm damages Cypher and Kitai’s craft, they crash-land on a now unfamiliar and dangerous Earth. [bold]As his father lies dying in the cockpit[/bold], Kitai must trek across the hostile terrain to recover their rescue beacon. His whole life, Kitai has wanted nothing more than to be a soldier like his father. Today, he gets his chance.”
- It was my stepson's birthday. He had to see "After Earth", so my partner and I took him to see it. We all hated it and left less than halfway through. The three of us agreed that it was the worst movie any of us had ever seen.
Luckily, we live in a small town and know the theater owners. Since it was my stepson's birthday, they fully refunded our money and told us that every single comment they had heard about the movie was that it is "a turd."
Quote me: "It is absolutely the worst film I have ever seen in my 47 years (and I have seen many, many films). Atrocious!"
- How much of a hit do theater owners take when something that's supposed to be blockbuster is such a bomb? They could have had other things on the screen.
- Charlie is a woman, R164.
- R208 ...and Lola is a man, according to Ray Davies.
- Jaden Smith = Luke Skywalker for the $cientology set?
- Even the trailer looks bad. This movie looks like the equivalent of a shart in church.
- This director is shite, he keeps getting hired coz his movies don't cost a lot to make and they make a profit when everything is factored in.
I will not even waste my time watching this crap. Maybe when it's free on cable...
- My neighbor's 15 year old kid saw it out of morbid curiosity tonight. He said he knew it was supposed to be bad going in, but he told me it was far worse than even the most brutal review he had seen of it. He's a big Will Smith fan and he said that "After Earth" was even worse than "Wild, Wild West."
At least "Plan 9 from Outer Space" offered unintentional laughs and great camp moments. Apparently "After Battlefield Earth" doesn't even offer that much. I'm glad I stayed home and watched "Kiss Kiss, Bang Bang" on Blu-Ray tonight instead.
- R213 I like that, "After Battlefield Earth", LOL.
- Will Smith has tarnished his brand. The fucking idiot.
- he is over
- A review I read on Rotten Tomatoes, so true:
After Earth is the cinematic equivalent of Rebecca Black's "Friday" - a parent-funded vanity project gone horribly wrong and thrust out into the world for the rest of us to not enjoy.
- Except, R217, Friday was pretty big hit, shockingly.
A FB acquaintance of mine just posted: Who wants to hate watch After Earth this weekend?
That made me laugh.
- [quote]After Earth is the cinematic equivalent of Rebecca Black's "Friday" - a parent-funded vanity project gone horribly wrong and thrust out into the world for the rest of us to not enjoy.
Too true. Smith has probably done harm to his ultra-privileged son with this mess, but helicopter parents don't ever seem to foresee negative consequences.
I'm still chuckling over the NY Times line that parents used to buy sports cars for their teenagers.
- I'm not quite convinced that Will Smith's career is over at this point but Jaden's may very well be.
- Jaden is getting the worse acting reviews of his career, maybe he shoud stick to rapping? Will Smith needs a hit movie PRONTO!
- Will Smith will be fine. His in that rarefied air with George, Johnny, Brad, Cruise, Leo, and Sandra. They can have bombs every now and then and still be fine.
And frankly, I like Will. When he does his normal schtick, he's fine and fun for lame summer movies.
- After Earth is being called Lost In Space. It goes to show that nepotism and Scientology don't mix.
- It's very simple, people. If idiots stop going to see Will Smith, Tom Cruise, John Travolta, they will no longer be offered films and will spare us all from the annoying commercials, talk show appearances, noisy movie trailers, etc. They will disappear and take their spawn and beards with them so we don't have to endure another generation of their cult.
- When he did publicity for his first movie (Six Degrees) and had to kiss a guy and went out of his way to say being homo is wrong, I put a checkmark after his name. I knew he was in the closet. I'm actually glad to see his movie bomb. And what's with the kid? Is this the one who wants to emancipate himself from Will and Jada?
- This is really bad...
By the end "you’re actively cheering for a teenage kid to get eaten by a tiger," writes Laremy Legel at Film.com. "I didn't plan to feel this way … but you did this to me, After Earth," by making your characters so horrifically unlikeable—one's a jerk, the other's a "nincompoop." The story, meanwhile, "stupefies us with nonsense, such little thought and logic went into this idea that it can’t even be considered a rough draft."
- Only reason I opened this thread was to see how many posts it would take to hear the cry of racism. Thanks, R3 for saving me the bother of reading any more. Idiot!
- Will lost me when he joined the Church of Scientology, same as Tom Cruise, John Travolta, etc. I have not paid to see their films since. I have never really been into other Scienos like Kirstie Alley, Jenna Elfmann, etc.
I was raised in that "church" and ran away as soon as I could (age 16). It is an evil organization and someday the government will have to step in and put a stop to it. It's another Jim Jones/David Koresh thing. It scares the shit out of me.
- r228 - Apart from being an evil cult, how is CoS like Jim Jones/David Koresh? Is Miss Cabbage planning some sort of mass suicide/murder?
r197/r221 - WORST. The word is worst. And no, he shouldn't stick to rapping. He should leave the public eye and go to school.
- Jaden is getting on my nerves, I'm picturing actors around 30 who went to Yale drama school, then worked for 10 years just to get their foot in the door...then seeing Jaden on screen.
- it's a blessing in disguise for the kid. Maybe he will go to school now or do something useful...
- Why is everyone taking their anger out on Jaden? It's not like he had a CHOICE to end up where he did today.
Same with Bieber and Amanda Bynes.
- No he didn't have a choice, R232. But unlike Bynes as a child and teen actor, I have yet to see Jaden express gratitude for the lot that life has handed him, he seems to expect it. Also, Bynes may have been pushed into show business, but her parents didn't buy her a film franchise.
I loathe Will Smith so much that I've never even noticed the great ass of his that others have mentioned. I see his face and I turn away.
- R233 That is how the child has been RAISED.
- Didn't Jaden's own sister, also raised the same way, tell her parents to let her enjoy her childhood and stop pushing a career on her?
I'm willing to give him a pass for now because he is just a kid, but I hope he gets it together eventually.
- [quote]it's a blessing in disguise for the kid. Maybe he will go to school now or do something useful...
This. But I kind of doubt it.
Look for bad clothing lines and reality TV series in his future.
- I wouldn't be surprised if we saw the daughter on the soundtrack somewhere too. The combination of Nepotism and the subtle Dianetics tropes in the film are posion.
- One thing I don't understand: Scientology teaches us that children enter the world basically as adults and have adult needs and demands. If the one who whips her hair back and forth wants to have a normal life, aren't they obligated to give it to her?
The Voice of the Night
- Forbes: The Good News for the Smith Family's "After Earth" Box Office Disappointment:
[quote]The relative good news is that the film cost $130 million (not the $200-$250 million of Battleship, Jack the Giant Slayer, or John Carter), which means a strong overseas performance can still pull this one out of the red. This is a big whiff in the states (his first big-scale miss in well over a decade), but Will Smith, like Brad Pitt, is an even bigger draw overseas than he is in the states.
[quote]A kid-powered $27-$30 million debut is possible (if not probable) as the picture was marketed constantly on the likes of Cartoon Network (I speak from experience on this one, I must have seen the same spoilery ad ten times during a Saturday evening airing of Madagascar).
- I'm not sure how they expect to sell this to children if it's as dialogue heavy as the posts suggest. And bad dialog that makes no sense to children. Also not good for foreign audiences. The empty Scieno dialogue will likely bore them to tears if they're expecting an American-style action blockbuster.
- The way I see it: A bad Will Smith movie is still 10 times better than a good movie with almost anyone else. I'm sure I will enjoy "After Earth". I am going to see it tonight and I will judge it fairly and without prejudice. Will Smith is a smart man and would never make a movie as bad as you people are saying it is. Even "Wild, Wild West" was not that bad. M. Night's only really bad movie was "The Last Airbender". The rest of his movies have been pretty good. I think everyone is jumping on the bandwagon.
On Rotten Tomatoes the critics are trashing "After Earth", but 87% of people who have actually seen it have given it the thumbs up. So, how bad can it be?
- I didn't read more than the first 6 posts so far, but we saw this movie last night on a whim, not knowing about it - just reading the blurb at the movie theater. This is a movie Smith created for his adolescent. His pubescent child with fuzz on his upper lip can NOT carry a movie, but that is entirely what is intended, as the 13yo is the main and almost only character. So mostly you're watching this spindly twerp running around through jungles, always afraid of dying or running out of air, or the horrible ursa that smells fear.
The one touch I liked was the oversized vulture that sacrificed its life to save the kid's life at freezing dusk by dragging his half-frozen self into a makeshift nest and lying atop it to give him enough warmth to live, all because the kid previously defended the bird's babies from sabertooths (although he failed and they all died anyway).
The concept appealed to me, but the execution was awful. I did not mean to spend my entire movie time watching Will's little fruit act poorly. Nor did I appreciate ridiculous implausibilities like the kid being able to walk on lava rock right by the orange glow of lava. I've actually walked on lava rock in Hawaii, which was hot to my feet a mile+ away from the actual lava exiting the volcano.
I want my money back. I wish I'd seen Great Gatsby instead, or maybe tried that Mud movie.
- The Smith Family vanity project:
M. Night Shyamalan
Jada Pinkett Smith
M. Night Shyamalan
Will Smith & Xenu
I wonder if, after the credits roll, there is a dedication to the wonderful teachings of L. Ron Hubbard. Proceeds from the movie will likely be divided into two categories. Lining the Smith's pockets and supporting their Scientology School. Sad!
- You don't really believe that those are from non-Xenu worshippers, do you r241?
- I smell Oscar!!!!
- [quote]ridiculous implausibilities like the kid being able to walk on lava rock right by the orange glow of lava.
Isn't this consistent with clam philosophy? If you put your enlightened, clear mind to it, you can do it. Tom Cruise cured his dyslexia, Kristie Alley kicked cocaine, blah, blah, blah. Is Tony Robbins a Scieno by chance?
- I’m all for "Bring Your Kid To Work Day" but this is a bit much, Will.
- R241, you have terrible taste in movies.
- R242 can't bother to read the thread but insists on crapping out her opinions - none of which are original or relevant by this time in the thread.
- Huh, it didn't occur to me that mastering fear was a scientology thing. Yeah, I don't like the cult, but mastering one's fear is still a worthy endeavor. I just don't think you need e-meters or $$$ to cults in order to work on it.
But Will Smith was not calm and collected in the film, as someone said a perfect thetan would be. Even-tempered means you don't yell at your kids. Other than strict discipline and yelling at his kid, Will was emotionless and stiff. It fit the part but made him unenjoyable to watch.
Jaden was rageful?? Really? hahaha He sucked at expressing emotion. His emotions were all worried looking eyebrows. It's hard for someone who's lived a gilded life to believably express the struggle of the human experience. Jaded was a little pipsqueak who did some screaming, sure, but it was all affectation. I didn't believe for a moment that Kitai was really upset.
They probably should have consulted real doctors and scientists on facts, such as what really happens with a badly broken leg - can you just stick in a blood tube to bypass the problem? And the lava thing. And why was Jaden able to live for days without eating, still able to run all day through the jungle, maneuvering smartly away from danger?
- It must not be that bad, people. It beat The Great White Gatsby, Star Trek Into Darkness, Iron Man 3, and Hangover 3. So, suck it!
- Glad to hear he rec'd shitty reviews.
- Funny that someone asked about Tony Robbins....odd isn't it that the public hasn't seen him hawking his products in a Coon's age. Is he running from subpoenas like that other late night schlockmeister, whose name escapes me right now, but will be the center of a TV expose next week.
- Why are you people so down on Will and Jada and their kids? I worked for a major motion picture company for years and worked with Will on several films. He is loved by everyone in Hollywood and everyone on the set was in awe of him. Jada is very sweet too. Will is kind and so, so generous to the needy. He gives and gives and gives and still people outside the biz hate him.
The Smiths are the most level-headed people on earth. They love their children and they give to more charities than you could imagine. It seems like you gay people would not be bothered by the Scientology thing. Many members of the Church are former-homosexuals themselves. Ask anyone in the biz what they think of the Smiths. If you think anyone will say anything negative about them, you've got another think coming. Get over it, people!
- Having a frustrating/disappointing day? Read the following . . .LOL.
- is R254 a parody post? If not, it should be.
- Sara, I almost didn't recognize you in that troll costume.
- [quote]The Smiths are the most level-headed people on earth.
Nice parody post R254.
- Sara, what does Jada's pussy taste like?
- Wow, Shyamalan's downward spiral quantified.
- R254, Sara, and any other "former homosexuals" and Scieno members reading this post, Tony Ortega has copied for you some of the best comments from top reviewers.
- Hi, Ya'll!
Come see my movie. Daddy says it turned out real good. Mommy likes it too. Daddy told me that he took a print of it out to the Church a few nights ago and they were jumping for joy over how good my movie is. They said it is the best movie Daddy ever bought for me. Please come see how good it is. Oh,Daddy says Hi!
- Hey Jaden, What the haps? Want a car? Call me!
- "It beat The Great White Gatsby, Star Trek Into Darkness, Iron Man 3, and Hangover 3. So, suck it! "
Ah yes, isn't it wonderful that the poor debut of this supposed blockbuster managed to beat those films, some of which are on their 3rd or 4th week of release.
- [quote]It seems like you gay people would not be bothered by the Scientology thing. Many members of the Church are former-homosexuals themselves.
And there you have it.
- R264, Wait until all of the Scienos finally get let out of their prison cells to sit through non-stop screenings; then this flick will do really fab business.
- #3 with a lead weight.
Any "blockbuster" that doesn't open at #1 is a massive fail
- After Earth will sweep the RAZZIES!
- [quote]"It beat The Great White Gatsby, Star Trek Into Darkness, Iron Man 3, and Hangover 3. So, suck it! "
Who are these Will Smith fanfags that are so invested in his box office success?
He's the #1 box office star in the world who's inflated ego just got bitchslapped. Good!
Maybe he'll concentrate on making a good movie next time.
- R269, they're clams who are infiltrating sites to pimp Will Smith.
- $27 million and #3 for a $130 million summer blockbuster is a big old flop.
- r11 ahh the return of the 'rancid cunt troll' i love your comments. short. sweet and to the point
i am an adult that want to punch that permanently startled expression off of jaden smith's face. it looks as though he woke up in the middle of something going on and has no idea where he is..
he is going to grow into an epic douchebag...
and m knight shamylan just needs to stop wasting investors money... his career was done after the village... is there an industry equivalent of the hook used to yank shit performers off the stage?
- [quote]I’m told that Will really wanted M Night to direct – even though this subject matter decidedly wasn’t in Shyamalan’s wheelhouse - and they together developed the script for a “not terribly expensive” movie. But a budget of at least $130M is hardly insignificant. Still, given the fact that Smith has made billions for Sony Pictures, the studio felt it just couldn’t say no to its most successful movie partner. Now Smith and Sony must weather this very public failure. I’m told the studio worked “really hard” to fix this crapfest in post-production and that even an arrogant know-it-all like Shyamalan was aware the pic didn’t work but couldn’t fix it on his own. ”You keep hoping people are going to be as good as their best work,” one insider told me about this all-too-familiar filmdom situation. “Sometimes some collaborations bring forth amazing results. And some are not meant to be.”
- So Jaden is 14? He looks about a full foot shorter than his father who's 6'2". If he doesn't have a growth spurt soon he's going to be a Bieber-sized adult, so no acting career as a leading man anyway.
- Jaden has little string bean legs. Ooh, I want to eat them up!
- They should have a datalounge screening of after earth, that would be an interesting experience. Boos and hisses when Jaden appears on screen lol.
- Unless this earns big money overseas, After Earth will a giant money loser for Sony. And all because they had to kiss Will Smith's ass and let him make his $130 million vanity project for his fucking kid. A $130 million toy on Sony's dime.
Stupidity and hubris all around.
- Jaden is getting ripped for his bad acting.
- Jaden wears the same Genie pants as Justin Bieber? Oh vey!
- In fairness to Sony, R277, they still figured Will Smith might have his magic box office touch. They'd be complete fools to greenlight any other Will Smith vanity project.
- Even Kim Kardashian thought it was terrible.
- Are his pants on backwards?
- Yes, it's the style...r282
- How come no one is mentioning the real disappointment?
During promotion for this movie: Will Smith looks FAT.
- [quote]'Hollywood disaster' and a 'crashing bore.'
Same as Will Smith.
- The movie will recoup its budget next week when it opens in Europe. It will undoubtedly do well there. Will Smith is VERY VERY popular there. Reportedly, the film had a huge surge in business today in U.S. cinemas and will likely have a $50-55 million dollar weekend.
Word of mouth is outweighing the bad reviews by people trashing the movie due to its perceived ties to Scientology. Business began sluggish for the film, but is now on target to make the movie a smash success. 86% of people who have seen the film gave it a positive rating. Will and Jaden Smith will have the last laugh on you immoral bashers. Mark my words.
- Clam @ R286
- What boggles my mind is that on Urban sites, most are convinced that THE MAN planned this bomb to put Will in his place and remind him he's just a n*gg*. I'm no Hollywood insider, and correct me if I am mistaken, but doesn't GREEN trump BLACK in Hollywood?
- To R286: Sorry, cunt, I live in the U.K. and would not be caught dead seeing After Earth at the cinema. Word-of-mouth over here is that everyone will avoid it like the plague. No one wants to sit through a 2 hour Scientology commercial. Especially one that stars Will Smith's untalented crotch-fruit. Mark MY words, R286, your beloved movie is already expected to tank over here, as well. Go back to Xenu and that midget Tammy Cruise at your church.
- r286 - Clam: even if it recoups its production budget, there's still the marketing budget. And being associated with a POS like this is NOT going to help Will Smith's reputation.
- R288 Don't they realize that THE MAN did not have anything at all to do with After Earth. The movie was produced by Will & Jada, written by Will, and stars Will. I am a black man and I want to throw up every time I hear shit like this. Besides, almost every white person I know loves Will Smith. No one wants to see him fail, especially the bigwigs in Hollywood. Green backs far outweigh prejudice here.
People want this movie to fail because it is Scientology propaganda and is a vehicle to thrust his son (of limited talent) onto the public. Jaden is probably a good kid, it's not personal.
- OMG, I just saw "After Earth" and it was truly spectacular. I am convinced that reviewers have an agenda against Mr. Smith. "After Earth" was not a perfect movie but it was very entertaining and deserves to be seen. Will gave a great performance and little Jaden was terrific. The effects are the best I have ever seen. Don't let these people sway you from seeing a great film. Think for yourself and you will be rewarded by seeing a spectacle you won't believe. I think I am going to gather up some friends and go see it again. This time in IMAX!
- It sucked, r292. I mean, it SUCKED. With teeth. Green teeth sucked.
It made Batttlefield Earth look like Battleship Potemkin.
- Are the clams aware that a Jesse Eisenberg vehicle is kicking AE's ASS at the moment?
- "It made Batttlefield Earth look like Battleship Potemkin."
OOh, good one.
On the off chance that R286 is not in the clam business, she should remember that Will Smith isn't in it, and when his fans find out, they'll stay away.
- Sorry, R286.
"After Earth opened to $9.8M Friday (including $1M from 9 PM Thursday late shows and Friday midnights) for a $27.2M weekend, way less than the high $30sM to low $40sM which Sony was predicting."
As you Clams say, "THIS IS TRUE."
- R296, Interesting that the article you quoted emphasizes Morgan Freeman as a draw in Now You See Me. I prefer Freeman as an actor; I wonder if Black audiences will follow suit.
- Will Smith is the greatest actor of all time, so any movie with him in it is already one of the greatest ever. He is such a wonderful family man, which is so rare in Hollywood these days. You can tell he and Jada really have a marriage that works, and they've passed their talent on to their two gorgeous children.
Despite the racist reviews, I will see "After Earth" with an open mind. I just know it'll be another great Will Smith movie!
- I saw Jaden and Will on "Graham Norton" promoting this piece of shit.
Jaden seemed a bit hyper, overly enthusiastic, trying desperately to pimp the movie at every moment. I think the constantly raised eyebrows are his attempt at his father's "look" but he fails miserably. He also lacks his father's easy delivery of lines both on and off-screen. The kid's just trying too hard.
Will Smith, a modestly talented man who used to be charming, has thrown away his career and his life for the lies of an international scam "church" Scientology. It's a shame.
The clams will pack the theaters this weekend, trying to salvage this turkey. They make their members go over and over and over again so that ticket sales look better. Naturally their little slaves - er.. members - have to pay for it out of their own pockets.
So - Smith's out - who will play President Obama now?
- Worst. Movie. Evah!
- Little Willy, Willy won't go home, but you can't push Willy 'round, Willy won't go.
- The Will Smith blockbuster After Earth is on course to be the box office bomb of the summer after being slammed by US critics and underperforming in cinemas on its opening day.
According to official figures, the sci-fi epic, directed by M Night Shyamalan, took between nine and $10m at the US box office - only a fraction of its predicted gross.
By contrast, Smith’s 2012 summer blockbuster Men In Black 3 scored an opening weekend of $55m when it was released on Memorial Day last May.
The actor’s other recent efforts have also started strongly, with Hancock opening to $62.6m in 2008 and I Am Legend scoring an opening weekend of $77.2m in 2007. However After Earth - in which Smith shares the screen with his son Jaden - has not been helped by universally negative reviews.
Will Smith may be one of Hollywood’s most bankable action stars, but his new film, “After Earth,” in which he stars with his 14-year-old son Jaden, opened to horrid reviews from critics and faced stiff competition in a busy box office weekend.
- Will Smith is the black version of his fellow Scieno Tom Cruise. He plays the same bland character in every fucking movie. Absolutely no range as an actor. How Cruise and Smith have had such long-lasting careers is beyond me. I cringe when I watch them on film. Poor Jaden is even more wooden than Will. As far as Scienos, at least Travolta can act when he tries.
I would love to bend Xenu over and fuck him right up the ass while Cruise and Smith scream out in their best Darth Vader voice, "Nooooooo!"
- Just a vanity project for Will's golden offspring. So embarrassing the degrees this family will go to make the whole family famous.
- Scientology makes a heck of a lot more sense than Christianity or Judaism. The teachings of Scientology are 100% believable to anyone with more than half a brain. Mr. Smith has said he is not affiliated with Scientology. Why won't you people believe him? Who cares if the movie is based on the teachings of Mr. Hubbard?
Indiana Jones and many other movies rely on Christianity to tell their stories. Many movies have hidden references (and some not so hidden) about Judaism. Why are Scientologists not entitled to share their teachings as well? Why? Because you're all a bunch of unclean perverts and bigots. Get over it, people.
"After Earth" is a heart-warming story about father and son bonding. The father teaches the son valuable lessons about life. It is very wholesome and entertaining.
- I smell Clam Sauce at 305.
- Sara = pimply, unattractive, farting, nose-picking, unloved and untalented, non-bio "progeny" of the impotent and infertile Tammy Cruise --> "Bella Cruise." She probably smears her boogers on her iPhone keys as she texts her clam friends in barely literate language.
[quote] Bella swears like a sailor, burps & farts in front of people without excusing herself, picks her nose while she sits in the Rose Garden Cafe texting her idiot friends, makes fun of wogs (people who aren’t Scilons), and more – basically she acts like a typical fucking Sea Org member, and we should know! She’s pretty gross & we go out of our way to not have to talk to her because she smells bad & picks her nose. Gross!
Here's the unattractive green-haired cunt again, doing her best to sink any fashion line her batfrickingbatshit father tried to get her involved in.
Won't it be weird someday when she might have to acknowledge that Nicole and Keith weren't such fuckers?
- I'll bet good money that Sara, R305, has a really stinky pussy. It smells suspiciously like Clam Chowder gone rancid.
- Hey Sara, where's Shelly Miscavige?
- It's getting a 100% Fresh rating at RottenClamatos.com!
- I saw After Earth 3x last night. Best movie of the year next 2 Oblivion. Fuck tha haterz. Will is back, baby! The FX are the best I hav ever seen and the acting is really good. IMHO, it's great. Don't listen to the Weak-Oblivious-Germridden-Slime out there that are haterz. Fear is a choice. Stand up and have no fear. Go see After Earth.
- The best Will Smith performance was in "Gettin' Jiggy with my Bros" - stellar performance!
- R312, LOL!!!! Love it!
- Sara, the orgs are empty all over the world. The stats are faked...
- We should discuss some of those OT-III revelations about the more bizarre teachings of the clam cult.
I don't think the low-level clams are allowed to get anywhere near the OT-III shit.
- Tom Cruise and Will Smith are 1000x the men U people are. U think U're shit don't stink? Tom and Will have built multi-billion dollar empires while U folks work in ditches, feed fat people in grease pit restaurants and clean shitty toilets. U jealous much?
Mr. Cruise and Mr. Smith are good men. They love their families and U people could never understand. U people should be ashamed of Urselves for picking on a 14 year old boy. Jaden is a good person and a gr8 actor. Leave him alone.
- Who farted?
- I went to see Star Trek today. No one was in the theater where After Earth was playing. Not a single person.
- Freeloader debt is legally unenforceable. People who blow are getting their money back!
- One thing you can say about this movie: it's made everyone forget about Willow. WHET to Willow Smith and her hair?
I hate Will Smith because he is a scientologist. I hate everything he does career-wise because he supports an evil organization. I hate his children because they will just perpetuate the Scientology.
I don't care what color his skin is. He's a piece of shit.
- From Wikipedia:
[quote]Xenu (/ˈziːnuː/ zee-noo), also spelled Xemu, was, according to Scientology founder and science-fiction writer L. Ron Hubbard, the dictator of the "Galactic Confederacy" who, 75 million years ago, brought billions of his people to Earth (then known as "Teegeeack") in a DC-8-like spacecraft, stacked them around volcanoes and killed them using hydrogen bombs. Official Scientology scriptures hold that the essences of these many people remained, and that they form around people in modern times, causing them spiritual harm.
These events are known within Scientology as "Incident II", and the traumatic memories associated with them as "The Wall of Fire" or the R6 implant. The narrative of Xenu is part of Scientologist teachings about extraterrestrial civilizations and alien interventions in earthly events, collectively described as "space opera" by Hubbard. Hubbard detailed the story in Operating Thetan level III (OT III) in 1967, warning that the R6 "implant" (past trauma) was "calculated to kill (by pneumonia, etc.) anyone who attempts to solve it".
- R203 = Suri Cruise
- R311 = John Travolta
- R316 = L Ron Hubbard's Brain, Floating in a Jar at Gold Base
- R324, Is that a joke or are you serious?
- I've read rumors that he's cryogenically frozen or some nonsense. These people are total lunatics and I love that the only group capable of beating them back are the bitches at DL. GOD SAVE THE BITCHES AT DL!
- "in a DC-8-like spacecraft"
(And people wonder why LRH is considered such a hack...)
- For those who have seen it, I have a question: is the film supposed to be aimed toward a kid or young teen audience, by any chance? Or is it just all around bad?
- R327, Someone close to me was involved with LASFS, the Los Angeles Science Fiction Fantasy Society, whose "stars" were very popular SF writers at the time. Some even later wrote for the original Star Trek. Hubbard brought what would become Dianetics to the group for a review. He was laughed out of the group; it was so bad and totally unscientifically based. He then claimed he could make it into a bestseller in spite. LOL
- R311 = Bella Cruise. No doubt.
- Here's what I don't get about the Clam Shills. I trolldar'd them. So, I know they aren't Dlers being funny. They single post.
Why don't they spend a few minutes learning how to speak our language and be a bit clever about their shilling? Clams, we here on the DL are horrible, mean, spiteful, often dangerous. But we're clever. And we expect the same in return. Make us love you. Make us LOVE you. Like Will Smith in that film where we all love him...well, bad example.
- HA, HA
[bold]Will Smith's 'After Earth' bombs at US box office[/bold]
[quote]Sony's After Earth, starring Smith opposite his son, Jaden, and directed by M. Night Shyamalan, took in $27 million in its North American debut, compared to $28.1 million for Now You See Me, from Summit Entertainment.
- This invasion of the shills is hysterical.
But then everyone loves a good clam bake.
- r331, they don't love us, why would they want us to love them? We are "wogs", "degraded beings" and "1.1 on the tone scale." They aren't allowed to think for themselves, much less read and interpret where they're posting. If they read the other comments they might see some "entheta".
- The clambot posts are hysterically funny.
- [quote] Why don't they spend a few minutes learning how to speak our language and be a bit clever about their shilling?
If they were capable of being clever, do you think they'd be working as clams?
- 27 million this week end ?
Tsk! And to think that Gatsby open at 50 million ... They made less than a Fitzgerald adaptation that got lukewarm reviews, where the narrator reads out loud, where the action takes place in living rooms.
That gotta hurt.
- Why does the studio think it will clean up overseas? Bad movies fail all around the world. It seems kind of insulting to say foreign audiences will like it.
- On Wendy's old radio show, every time Will's or Jada's name came up a background recording would say "how you doin'?" It was so funny that it was being said without actually being said. I miss that element on her tv show.
- Remember folks, last year "Battleship" did less than stellar business in the U.S. but really raked in overseas. "Battleship" was regarded as a domestic flop but it more than made its money back, thanks to the Europeans.
The Europeans will also make "After Earth" as smash hit. They are far more cultured and intelligent than many of the people in North America. They are already salivating for the film overseas. Will Smith is even bigger over there than he is here. "After Earth" will likely bring in $250-300 million in U.S. dollars in Europe. Hide and watch.
- I don't remember "Battleship" at all. You're first thought with that title is, maybe it's a movie version of the board game. And you think, no, how could they make a movie out of a dumb game like that. They did, and spent over 200 million on it!
It made 300 million worldwide, but how much did they spend on promotion? Anyway, it got slaughtered by the critics but was simple enough to translate well to foreign languages apparently, and that saved it.
- After Earth is a $230 million investment ($130 million production, $100 million in marketing). It's a disaster.
- R340, Overseas, can audiences get their money back if the walk out on a movie, because it's a total stinker?
- "The Europeans will also make "After Earth" as smash hit"
Nope - "The Europeans" aren't going anywhere this pile of jobbies.
- ^ anywhere near
- I heard that overseas, in Islamic countries, if you walk out of the theater in the middle of the film you can get you head chopped off by the theater owner for being disrespectful. That's why shitty movies make money over there.
- Regardless, home video is a massive market. There it will certainly cash in and make its money back and then some. I can't believe so much prejudice against people because of their religion. You people should be ashamed of yourselves.
- R185 - "Will and Jada are famous for a reason"
Will - yes, without question.
Jada - married to Will, otherwise WTF?
- R347 Don't be surprised about the prejudice found here on DL and elsewhere. They did the same thing to "Oblivion" a few months back. There's an old saying, "What comes around goes around." So, we'll just wait for their special "something" to come back around.
I guess people don't realize how many Scientologists there are in this world. Many more every day. I am not a Scientologist but I am aware of its superiority over other religions. It's the only one that has true and logical answers. I think it is abominable that these people are being so horrible to a young teenage boy on here. Unforgiveable and mean.
- R346, that's not logical. If you walk out of a movie partway through, you've already paid for your ticket.
- So you are admitting Will and Jaden are Scientologists? That's more than they are willing to do. And Europeans are not stupid, they have access to the internet and can avoid poorly made films.
- r349, stfu clam. True and logical answers? It's explicitly anti-gay, how dare you promote a homophobic organization on gay turf. Eat shit and die.
- [quote]I am not a Scientologist but I am aware of its superiority over other religions. It's the only one that has true and logical answers.
It's hard to know truth and logic when your head is stuck in your anus, lying clam.
- I thought Jaden was awesome in The Karate Kid and Pursuit of Happyness. He's really good in After Earth too. You guys just want to pick on him because his parents are rich and had connections to help him into the movies.
People, connections in the movie business mean nothing if the child has no talent. Jaden is obviously talented because all the connections in the world won't put a child in a film if they can't act. Some of you people are so stupid. We Only Get Success if we deserve it. The same is true in the movie business, and Jaden is very successful on his own.
- I saw on some entertainment show that Jaden was hanging around one of the younger Kardashian girls but it looked like he wasn't even interested in her. Just a publicity ploy, this kid has got to go!
- Obviously the clams have found this thread and are spamming the hell out of it. Not even subtle.
- I didn't really believe that the clams were astro-turfing until now. Who else would doggedly defend this awful movie?
- r349 = clambot
- [quote]all the connections in the world won't put a child in a film if they can't act
That explains why none of us have ever seen an untalented child in a movie.
- Ah, a lot of people deserve success and don't get it. Did George W. Bush deserve success? Certainly not.
To defend people who are giving in, to being blackmailed by a disgusting cult? I can't approve of that. Will and Jada should be ashamed.
- [quote]People, connections in the movie business mean nothing if the child has no talent.
- r347, r349, r354 - Thanks for the laugh.
The clams are showing themselves to be a bunch of mindless nincompoops.
- The $cienos on this thread sound so frustrated that reality isn't conforming to their expectations. A few things, clams:
1)Home video is a fraction of the market it once was and cannot save this film.
2)Sony had to do what Smith wanted with this film (cast Smith's untalented son) because of Smith's previous successes.
3) This may do okay overseas but it is bomb domesticslly and it will take several hits for Smith to recover his reputation, if he ever does.
4) Why aren't you mad that Smith doesn't claim membership in your "true and logical" cult?
- Why would someone lie about being part of a "religion" they really believe in?
If being a clam is so great, why won't Will and Jada come out publicly and say they're clams?
I don't really care about Jada and this awful Jaden kid but Will Smith used to be talented. He'll end up like poor John Travolta - dying to get out of the cult but unable to leave because of the blackmail materials they have on him.
Scientologists are such vicious, untrustworthy slime.
- I saw After Earth this afternoon. O.M.G., it was so good. I was expecting it to be awful based on ROTTEN tomatoes but it was great. Go see it now! It shows to me that the reviewers have an agenda. Is it because they are prejudice because they believe Will is a Scientologist? Or is it prejudice because Will is... Oh, never mind. The haters are going to hate. After Earth is stellar!!!!
- R354, I wondered why you capitalized the first letter in each of the words 'We Only Get Success.' Then I realized, you're calling us WOGS. Almost clever, Clam-ity Jane! Say hi to Tom and John for us, Lovey!
- Another highly believable clam-tale at r365. Who goes to a movie they expect to be awful? Expecting it to be awful is why you don't go to a movie. You clams need to study normal people better if you have any hope of fooling anyone.
- For this to be such a bad movie, you bitches sure are talking a lot about it.
- Now this is a story all about when
My soul got infested by space aliens
And I'd like to take a minute, just lean back and sit
I'll tell you how I came to believe in some really stupid shit.
In a studio in Hollywood, young and brash
On a sitcom is where I made most of my cash
Chillin' out, acting and raking in the green
Making movies and a TV show that everyone's seen
Till a couple stars, they were up to some shit
Got me to read Dianetics and I was diggin' it
I got in one little chat with my man Tom Cruise
He said, "If you get with Scientology you just can't lose!"
I paid for an audit, and when I was read
It said I had all kinds of thetans and engrams in my head
If anything, I could say these guys had no cred
But I thought, "Naw, forget it. I wanna get ahead!"
I pulled up to the Centre about 7 or 8
And I yelled to my friends, "Yo SPs, smell ya later!"
I looked at my e-meter, and it started to beep
To guide me on my path as a new Scilon creep.
- I was just as pleasantly surprised as you R365. I am recommending After Earth to everyone. I am excited to see it again. Gotta go get back in the ticket line. The movie is so good I can't wait to get back into the theater. I'm giddy!!!
- Why would Will Smith have any interest in Scientology? He's been a huge star for years.
- Damn r370's lame. It's probably the same clam deleting cookies and coming back every 10 minutes.
- this thread is filled with delusion.
the movie looks horrible.
will smith is over.
that linked interview shows how DELUDED he and his kin truly are.
his involvement in Scientology REEKS.
most of the world is happy that this over-rated bitch and his entitled spawn are over.
and that religion (like all) is SCARY. I really mean to say that only DIM BULBS and insecure minds would join it.
- This thread is beyond creepy, just like Scientology. I don't understand why we don't pull a France and ban this cult from America once and for all. We already have enough wack job religions here, we don't need an upstart shuffling their way in. Not to mention Scienos are incredibly homophobic and think being gay is a detrimental weakness that one must overcome. FUCK YOU.
- I keep thinking that the pro-AFTERbEARTH posts are clever parodies of zombie-clam-bytes, but then I wonder if people actually are posting from the dark side.
Let's take a look at the arguments presented, in abbreviated form:
R347: The movie will make money. The DL is anti-religious.
R349: Fate will hurt people who don't like AFTERbEARTH. $cientology is big and strong. It is unforgivable to say bad things about Jughead Jaden.
R354: Jughead is great! You're jealous not to like him. Jughead is great! Fate rewards the deserving. You're stupid if you don't like Jughead.
Yup - Zombie-Clams 'R' Us. The posts are too brilliantly stupid, programmed, jargonized and scripted to be trollery.
WE HAVE AN INFESTATION!!!! Root them out!
- Thanks for the laugh r365
I like fried clams
- I saw After Earth at a matinee today. The theatre was about three quarters full. It started slow, but picked up steam. It was a great summer movie. It had great effects, the acting wasn't that bad--the kid is a kid, after all. The audience was cheering at his triumphs. After it ended, people were smiling as they left. I stopped in the rest room, and found that my penis had grown in length and girth--just from this uplifting film! My wife had lost 20 pounds in just one viewing! And I found $300 next to my car in the parking lot.
You owe it to yourself--and your penis--to see this fantastic film.
This is true.
- [quoe]For this to be such a bad movie, you bitches sure are talking a lot about it.
There are plenty of bad movies.
This one is an ego project by the #1 Box office star in the world who tries to shove scientology and his son down everyone's throats
It's failure is to be celebrated.
- I don't believe the critics I saw the trailer and it looks amazing. I think the critics have something against Will and Jaden Smith, and M.
Night Shyamalan and don't want the film to be a success so they are critiquing it badly so you won't go see it. Judge from the trailer, if the trailer makes you want to see it then do. Don't let a bunch of bigots tell you what to spend/not spend your money on. Fear is a choice.
- [quote]Fear is a choice.
So is being brainwashed by cults.
- This is a real nice clambake.
- And then R370 pipes in. Now, that one could be a fake. The ending is too pat, with the movie slogan dropped in, and likely not to be on the "$cio Film Defense Tip Sheet." TRUST THE BRILLIANT TRAILER" is rather transparent.
But declaring that it's "bigots" who are trying to irreligiously deny the movie the success it deserves is just about twisted enough to be real. And correctly spelling Shymalymadingdong's name is suspicious. Like read from the script.
I'll go with authentic Zombie-Clam for this one.
- Ok, it’s not race…. Fine.. so what is it? What is driving you to this message board to bash Jaden over and over again? What has got you coming back for more and more? Why do you care so much,
It may not be race, but there is obviously a very strong emotion present in each of you that is causing you to take precious time out of your day to come here to this board, time better spent elsewhere, but instead you come here?
What has you hooked on Jaden so much? Do you want to see his career just end completely? Is that the end goal? Would that make your life better? I’m sure that you folks don’t seriously have time to go around to all of the actors and movies that you hate, and spend so much time bashing them on their board… so why is sweet Jaden so important?
What emotion is out there, so strong, and so compelling, that is driving grown adults here to end the career of a 14 year old? Who means nothing to you? Why cant we live and let live?
And don’t give me nepotism, because no nepotism case ever mentioned on DataLounge has ever caused the same outcry that we have going on here!
- HUBBARD COMMUNICATIONS OFFICE
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HCO BULLETIN OF 4 MAY 1968
CHARACTER OF BODY THETANS
Body thetans are just thetans. When you get rid of one he goes off and possibly
squares around, picks up a body or admires daisies. He is in fact a sort of cleared being.
He cannot fail to eventually, if not at once, regain many abilities. Many have been asleep
for the last 75 million years.
A body thetan responds to any process any thetan responds to.
Some body thetans are suppressive. A suppressive is Out of Valence in R6. He is
IN valence in Inc I almost always.
One can’t run a human being on these two incidents since human beings are
composites and would not be able to run the lot. Aside from that non-clears are away
below an awareness required to even find these incidents.
Huge amounts of charge have already been removed from the case and the body
thetans by Clearing and OT 1 and OT 2 to say nothing of engrams and lower grades.
Awareness is proportional to the charge removed from the case.
All though a human being is a composite being there is only one I ( that is you ) who
Body thetans just hold one back.
You will continue to be you. You, inside, can of course separate out body thetans
and so solo auditing is the answer.
How good do you have to be to run body thetans off ? Well, if you didn’t skimp your
grades, clearing and OT 2 particularly, you should be able to command body thetans
L. RON HUBBARD
Copyright (c) 1968
by L.Ron Hubbard
ALL RIGHTS RESERVED
- [quote]why is sweet Jaden so important?
What emotion is out there, so strong, and so compelling, that is driving grown adults here to end the career of a 14 year old? Who means nothing to you? Why cant we live and let live?
Omg, my sides!
- Two words R383 ... NO TALENT. Get it?
- I don't like Jaden because Will Smith and Jada Pinkett are his parents. They are two of the most egotistical people on the planet. I don't like Gwyneth Paltrow or Julia Roberts for the exact same reasons. Arrogance and obliviousness to reality are not attractive traits.
Another reason is because I find Scientology to be a repugnant cult and anything that damages or embarrasses them brings me great joy just like with any religion. I AM Anti-Religious and PROUD. Especially when the "religion" was pooped out of L. Ron Hubbard's ass to make MILLIONS off of weak minded fools.
Third, Jaden is not a sweet, innocent kid. He is arrogant and famewhoring just like his parents taught him to be. The fact that he is besties with Justin Bieber and Kylie Jenner speaks volumes about this kid's taste level. Scum attracts scum.
- LOL That turned out funny, sorry R6 - I'm sure you're not out of valence (whatever the fuck that means.)
- R383, thank you for getting to the fact that this is not race-driven. It really isn't.
I think what is driving the heat and fun is complicated. Schadenfreude is a part of it - seeing the ones at the top take a topple always is gratifying. It's not envy only. It's a sense of balance being restored.
But the zeal comes from the smugness and poor PR that the Smiths have been brewing for the last few years. The kind of craven "we are so great" message presented over and over is offputting and rather disgusting.
Also, the falsity of the family's show is evident not only to people who know the Smiths' M.O. but to more-casual-but-acute observers. That the happy-family presentation is only a money grab is offensive.
The connection to $cientology also inevitably repels most people. The jig is up for this insane and criminal pyramid-scam power and cash conspiracy masquerading as a sect. People know better. And as soon as the Smiths sidled up to Tammy, their reputation was set to be shattered.
Add that either true-believing zombie-clams or clever imitators are posting here, and you have a recipe for a sustained thread.
That the movie apparently is very bad, connected to $cio crap, a vanity piece, and a transparent and clumsy push to make this rather nasty little brat a moneymaker - according to a timeline that must have come from a Ouija board - ensured that the DL and other social and cultural critics would have a field day. It is all too shockingly stupid to pass up.
Now, if this all is too much for you to grasp, simply let it go, because if you don't understand the appeal of pounding nails into the intersection of hubris and camp, you won't get it. And you won't get the DL.
- [quote]Now, if this all is too much for you to grasp, simply let it go, because if you don't understand the appeal of pounding nails into the intersection of hubris and camp, you won't get it. And you won't get the DL.
So well expressed, had to quote.
- Better to deflate the kid's ego now than have to deal with him when he's an adult.
There's also the fun of poking fun at the hubris of the father who thinks he can buy his son a movie career.
Like the NY Times reviewer said, rich parents used to buy sports cars for their spoiled offspring.
- The movie’s climax takes place on a volcano that could have been ripped right off the cover of Dianetics, the look is so similar. In Scientology, the volcano is a common thread through many different teachings. This image was used not only on the cover of Dianetics, but has also been used in many of Scientology’s TV ads over the years.
- R389 can come sit next to me.
- The NYT is flat-out referring to the movie as $cientology-tinged. I think this entire movie will deal a body blow to Smith's career.
To the clams: Don't you DARE come to a gay site and call gay men and women who object to your cult, which pathologizes homosexuality, "bigots." Fuck you and get out of here. You're weak-minded fools. I hope you get help.
- My bf begged to go to an early screening we were invited to, so I've actually seen the film.
The person behind me afterwards said: "Not as bad as I thought it was going to be."
Damning faint praise, to be certain, but I agree.
It is FAR from the worst movie ever made.
Not to say it is good. But the powers-that-be got that sucker whittled down to 90 minutes, so if nothing else, it's a fast fail. The worst movies are typically far longer and far more pretentious.
The acting is atrocious. Ghastly. Not only is Will Smith absolutely charmless in this film (and I think he has a natural ease and charisma), he's also losing his looks. Age is not going to be his friend.
Age isn't Jaden Smith's friend either. His accent is bewildering, and he too is charmless. Definitely incapable of shouldering an entire film. He squints and whines, and that's considered acting in this movie.
All that said, parts of the film work as they're supposed to, with a few moments of genuine artistry tossed into the flotsam and jetsam. And for that reason alone, and the film's brevity, it's not even a candidate for worst film ever made.
- Famous Clams: Tom Cruise, John Travolta, Kirstie Alley, Priscilla Presley, Lisa Marie Presley, Brandy, Nancy Cartwright (Bart Simpson's voice), Chick Corea, Danny Masterson, Laura Prepon, Giovanni Ribisi, Jason Lee, Mimi Rogers, Anne Archer, Jenna Elfman, Katie Holmes, Juliette Lewis, Leah Rimini, Karen Black, Kelly Preston, Judy Norton-Taylor, Isaac Hayes, Rob Thomas, Beck, Chaka Kahn, Sonny Bono, Jeffrey Tambor, .
Rumored to be Clams: Will, Jada Smith & Family, Bernadette Peters, Jerry Seinfeld, Nicole Kidman, Shirley MacLaine, Amy Heckerling, and many more.
- Hank Kingsley is a scientologist? Noooo!
- I don't think Katie ever officially became a member, did she? Wasn't the reason given for her divorce that she didn't want Suri to be indoctrinated at Study Tech (that's the correct term, right?) schools?
The Voice of the Night
- Shirley MacLaine? Is that why she's so whackadoodle?
- The clams on this thread appear to never refer to will or tom by their first names and all proclaim them to be great famile men...hmmmm.
- Moviegoers put their money anywhere but near the apparent train wreck that is After Earth, with the Will and Jaden Smith-M. Night Shyamalan vehicle taking in $27 million for a third-place finish that the Hollywood Reporter calls "one of the most surprising box office upsets in recent memory" and a "sizable blow" to the elder Smith.
Fast & Furious 6 held its spot at No. 1 with $34.5 million, while Now You See Me eked out No. 2 with $28.2 million. After Earth fell significantly short of the $35 million to $40 million that had been expected, and it's the first time since 1993 that one of Smith's summer movies failed to open at No. 1. It now faces a steep climb (virtually impossible) to recoup its $130 million budget, notes the Reporter.
- Scientology kills.
I eat old people's excrement.
- Jeffrey Tambor says he's out. Katie Holmes was definitely in but is now quite spectacularly out.
Add to the list Bijou Phillips, Michelle Stafford, Catherine Bell, Erika Christensen, Grant Cardone, Bodhi Elfman, Ethan Suplee, Doug E. Fresh, Elisabeth Moss, Marisol Nichols (just made OT8), Greta Van Susteren and her husband John Coale. For the Australians, Kate Ceberano.
ALSO Charles Manson, convicted Ponzi schemer Reed Slatkin, convicted murderer Rex Fowler, deceased murderer Johnny Lewis, 10 individuals convicted in Operation Snow White, the largest infiltration of the US government in history, and more scammers, fraud artists and other scum beyond counting. Rapists and child molestors too.
- I hope Jeffrey Tambor is out. I always loved his work. He seems too intelligent to have been involved with CO$. People like Cruise, Travolta, Alley, Remini, Ribisi, J. Elfman, etc. are dim bulbs and seem like they could be easily influenced and inducted. Tambor seems far too brainy to let them have too much control over him.
- Perhaps are guests on DL, the Clambots, can tell us how many celebs are trapped in the Church, as they would be threatened with exposure of their personal secrets, true or not, if they left?
bearded clams, HA!
- R407, I stand corrected, I should have typed "our" instead of "are." Now will you please go back and assist DL's grammar troll in criticizing the grammar and poor word choice and insane sentence structure and lack of proper punctuation in all of the Clambots previous posts?
- Kate Ceberano's grandmother was one of Hubbard's right hand gals. She was there at the beginning with him. Ceberano refuses to discuss the cult in the media but she is totally brainwashed.
R409 STOP "TALKING"TO THEM!?!?!?!?!
- The Drudge Report is calling After Earth a DISASTER.
- R412, why the fuck are you reading the Drudge Report? And why the fuck would you believe anything you find there, let alone repeat it?
- No matter what the reviews, I would never pay to see a moving that features Will Smith, Jason Lee, Tom Cruise, John Travolta or any of the other cult members.
- Am I the only one noticing the clam postings don't even sound like human beings? It's in their syntax, comes off unnatural. It's like they're pod people trying to mimic humans.
- I work in a huge megaplex in Houston. When this film opened up, it had 1 of our 3 huge theatres available to it. Its biggest night was Friday and it was less than half full.
Meanwhile, we were turning people away for that magic movie. Now the Smith film is in the smaller theatre and it is still only half full.
- [quote] Obviously the clams have found this thread and are spamming the hell out of it. Not even subtle.
Dear god, DL has been taken in by some clever clam parodies...
- I just read that Smith's Willow film only made $57 million domestic, and nothing is noted for overseas if it actually was released overseas.
- Re: the R396 list... Lisa Marie Presley left the Scienos, Will & Jada are more than rumored and the others less than.
- Not according to the Scientology Celebrity blog. Great dish about them. It was posted on the "Going Clear" thread. Read it while you can; the Scienos are wracking their poor little brains trying to figure out how to take it down.
- Besides Sofia Coppola in THE GODFATHER III, I can't think of another example of blatant nepotism and ego of the parent. Can anyone else think of others?
- r420, I am almost afraid to click on that link for fear the clams will get me.
- Jaden looks so sweet on the movie poster for "After Earth" - on one knee, bowing his head in allegiance to the Dianetics Volcano. It's so obviously a tip of the hat to the Clam Church. It makes me sick how they are rubbing it in our faces.
R419 Rumor is that Lisa Marie is still a member, but not 100% actively involved. It is unclear whether or not she has actually left them. I hope she has.
Disgusted by Scientology
- "It's a cookbook!"
- I don't think Will n Jada r Scientologist. What's the big deal even if they r? Its just their religion people.
- So many clams in this thread it should come with its complimentary linguine.
- [quote]I don't think...
That is correct R425
- I was in London last week and through the weekend on a business trip. Everyone on that side of the pond was talking about how terrible After Earth looks. No one was a bit surprised that it tanked over here. It is expected to be a financial disaster when it opens in the UK next week. If the Smith's and M. Night are expecting it to be a huge hit overseas, they are in for a huge surprise. Though the movie may do well in Asia, I doubt it.
- [quote]I don't think Will n Jada r Scientologist.
Then why did they start a $ciento school???
[quote]What's the big deal even if they r? Its just their religion people.
A fake "religion" that attempts to eliminate homosexuality from the earth. And is responsible for murdering ex-members.
Fuck off $ciento shill @r425.
- The next rumored Wilma Smith project is a remake of the 1969 Western classic, "The Wild Bunch." I always loved that movie. I shudder to think how badly he's going to fuck that one up. It will be another "Wild, Wild West" disaster. Especially if they go the "comedy spoof" route, which I highly suspect they will.
I wipe my ass with Xenu
- Several of my family members were caught up in the Co$ back in the 1980s. Their tales about that organization completely terrify me. Anyone who argues that it is not a brainwashing cult is mental. As a result of my knowledge (much of which I cannot divulge for the safety of my family members), I cannot support any entertainment driven by Scienos.
I have not seen a Cruise movie since Risky Business, a Travolta movie since Blow Out, or a Smith movie since I found out he was a Co$ Zombie. Anyone who has escaped the clutches of Scientology has my sympathy and support. It is a horrible organization.
- Will and Jaden Smith's sci-fi adventure After Earth wound up in third place this weekend with a very disappointing $27 million. That's in between last year's notorious sci-fi bombs John Carter ($30.2 million) and Battleship ($25.5 million). It's also half of MIB 3 ($54.6 million) and The Karate Kid ($55.7 million), which were the last two movies from Will and Jaden, respectively.
As is the case with many bombs, the explanation for After Earth's poor start is quite simple: the movie just didn't look all that appealing. While director M. Night Shyamalan's name was hidden in the marketing, he does have to take some of the blame for the movie's bland, paint-by-numbers appearance. Also, while Will Smith is clearly a major star, his presence didn't help much because his role here as a stoic, incapacitated soldier was devoid of the charisma and energy that audiences expect from him.
The audience was 51 percent male and 60 percent were 25 years of age or older. They gave the movie a "B" CinemaScore, which suggests middling word-of-mouth that should keep the movie from holding on well. Add in the fact that Man of Steel is on the immediate horizon, and it's unlikely that After Earth winds up with more than $70 million or so.
After Earth debuts in most overseas next weekend, and Sony is hoping that Will Smith's international drawing power will help make up for the limp domestic debut. Over $200 million should be doable, though that still puts After Earth firmly in the John Carter/Battleship realm.
- You people are wack! According to the weekend box office roundup 'After Earth' kicked ass over a lot of other movies like Iron Man 3, The Great Gastby, Star Track, Hangover III and The Croods. So clearly its not as bad as you haterz want everyone to believe. Get a clue!
- 1994 called and wants it's slang back, clam at R433.
- R433 "The Great Gastby, Star Track" - Oh, dear!
- r405- I've worked with Jeffery- yes he is indeed out. After auditing some classes, they told him that his wife needed to take them as well, or he would have to leave her. She didn't want to take them and he left, but his name is still associated with that group. His people for years tried to disassociate his name, but it would mysteriously be re-attached, so he quit trying.
They took a page from the Mormons, so they can say that their membership numbers are strong, regardless if the members are still practicing.
- You are kidding, R346.
- This movie will only do business in countries where citizens are not encouraged to think - that is, semi-dictatorships and other.
Now I'm curious to see the global box office results for this dud so as to add to my list of worst vacation spots.
- [quote]A fake "religion" that attempts to eliminate homosexuality from the earth. And is responsible for murdering ex-members.
Honey, you just desribed EVERY religion.
- Ahem, R439
- the movie sucks. the audience noted. THAT is why it failed.
It has nothing to do with Scarytology.
Although, I am SOO fucking puzzled at how reasonably rational people get sucked in...
Who would think this is normal??
- [quote]Besides Sofia Coppola in THE GODFATHER III, I can't think of another example of blatant nepotism and ego of the parent. Can anyone else think of others?
Very different scenario. Sofia Coppola may have been a bad choice, but she was a last-minute substitution. Godfather III was not created as a vanity project or star vehicle for her, nor was she given a starring role in a blatant attempt to make her into a major movie star.
- Okay so the circumstances were different, R442 but the idea is the same: throwing your untalented spawn into something that they're not equipped to handle. I was just wondering if there were other examples of that.
- Terrible movie. I took my niece and nephew. They wanted to see it, so I took them to see it in IMAX. All three of us stuck it out until the closing credits, but it was a challenge. It was pure dreck.
Worst movie of all time? Not quite, but it would make the 20 Worst Movies I Have Ever Seen list. It was boring, had cheesy effects and horrible acting (Will Smith included).
- Ken, you must be a real prize, knowing the reviews and yet still seeing the movie in its most expensive format.
- Come on people. There are a lot worst movies out there. Gigli, Battleship, Pearl Harbor, Avatar, Showgirls, Baby Geniuses, Troll 2, Les Miserables, Armageddon, Transformers 2, Superman IV are all far worse movies. You're all irrational.
Irrationality is simply that... the inability to get the right answers from data. You people are obviously looking at flawed data and drawing the wrong conclusions.
I bet if After Earth had starred Brad Pitt, Matt Damon, Mark Wahlberg or George Clooney you would all be jumping up and down saying how wonderful it was.
- I think most would agree that even "Troll 2" is far more entertaining that "After Earth"!!!!
- I will say this again Clams. Try. Don't write lame earnest posts and expect us to believe you. Be snarky! Listen, you're already lost to the cult, so at least have some fun while shilling!
Example Clam Post:
"Bitches, I got super drunk last night and thought I was seeing Iron Man 3 but found myself in the After Earth theater. You know what? I sort of liked it. Will was trying too hard and Jaden was annoying as hell, but the movie itself was pretty good. Is it Citizen Kane? No. Nor is it Gigli."
Something like that.
- How can you say it's bad if you have never seen it? I don't expect it to be Room With A View, but it is probably not as bad as Rotten Tomatoes says. What is Rotten Tomatoes? A bunch of half-educated 20-somethings jumping on the bandwagon. Remember, classic movies like The Third Man, Night Of The Hunter, Psycho (the original) and The Shining got a lot of terrible reviews when they first came out. Now they are regarded among the movie elite.
- This was by far one of the most boring movies I have ever seen. You almost couldn't pay me to watch that turd again it was so bad.
People were getting up and leaving in the first 30 minutes (or should I say the first 'turdy' minutes). My friends and I left after 45 minutes. I lost $9.50, but it was better for me to just take the financial loss. My time and my patience were far more valuable.
What were they thinking? This was such a rip off of every other sci-fi movie of the last ten years. A watered-down copy. Plus, the Scientology promotion, which was so obvious to anyone with even minimal knowledge of the cult.
Will has been one of my favorite actors for years but I am so disgusted with him trying to push his no-talent boy and his zombie-head religion on me. Wake up Will. We're not that stupid. Well, I guess I was a little stupid for going to see "After Earth", but I had faith in Will that it would be at least entertaining. I was so wrong.
- Is everyone writing a parody post these days?
- "After Earth" COULD NOT have been worse than "Pearl Harbor", "Gigli" or "Independence Day". Could it? If so, then it is REALLY bad. I'm glad I chose not to waste my hard-earned cash.
- >>Rotten Tomatoes is just a bunch of half-educated 20-somethings jumping on the bandwagon...
You're priceless, r449. For the top critics, (paid broadcast and print, mostly) try 50 or 60-somethings.
Try reading just the top critics to get a clear idea about a movie. Anyway, most of the reviews are posted before the movie comes out, anyway, so there is no "bandwagon" there to speak of.
On lots of other forums, (here included) you may have a bandwagon point.
- Independence Day was bad? Really? I loved it and it was - and continues to be - a huge success. It was just fun entertainment.
- It looks like M. Night is rapidly joining the ranks of Ed Wood, Michael Bay and Uwe Boll as directors of "questionable" talent. I gave up on M. Night movies after the ridiculous "Signs" - which was also the last Gel Mibson movie I ever paid to see.
- “Everyone go see #AfterEarth this weekend,” Justin Bieber tweeted. “@officialjaden we got u. #supportyourfriends”
That right there is reason enough to keep me from seeing that movie.
- R456, I can totally see Bieber getting "sucked in" to the clam cult as some point in the near future. He's really not that intelligent and it seems that the celebs that are drawn into Co$ are not exactly Mensa material.
Gays in the Looking Glass
- LEAVE JADEN ALONE!!!
- When Tom did his big celebrity outreach (or Scientology Mission year) after marrying Katie he went after Europeans with the Beckhams, Afr-Americans with the Smiths and if I recall they were also trying to get their claws into the Latinos with J Lo and Marc Antony. Only the Smiths fell for it.
- I wonder if Wilma Smith and Daddy, I mean Tammy Cruise, ever sampled each other's goody-bags. I can picture them rutting like wild dogs (or is it Old Dogs or Wild Hogs, Mr. Travolta?). I wonder if they are both versatile, or if one's a total top and the other a total bottom. Both of them scream "BOTTOM" to me.
- Weekend Report: 'Fast' Falls, Magicians Make Will Smith Disappear
After Earth opened on track with recent sci-fi bombs like John Carter and Battleship.
Will and Jaden Smith's sci-fi adventure After Earth wound up in third place this weekend with a very disappointing $27.5 million. That's in between last year's notorious sci-fi bombs John Carter ($30.2 million) and Battleship ($25.5 million). It's also half of MIB 3 ($54.6 million) and The Karate Kid ($55.7 million), which were the last two movies from Will and Jaden, respectively.
- You have to wonder what's going on with Will Smith right this moment. I'd love to be a fly on that wall. Someone like him, you figure, he doesn't take failure lightly.
- I love that JOHN CARTER (which I enjoyed) made more in its opening.
For everyone, including me, who rather wished this would kick Littler Jughead's career in the goobers, I expect he'll come back with something more appropriate and continue his track. There's a sense of inevitability in the push they're giving him.
- Right, R394. It's not that the $cio asses come here to niggle, they (in their usual ham-handed, impervious-to-reality-and-discretion way) they scream bias.
Anti-religious bias. Race bias. Success bias.
All while representing an especially virulent, sanctioned and nasty homophobia.
I question the official story of Hubbard's gay son Quentin's death. Suicide with a hose from a running car, but no carbon monoxide in his system. NOTHING is beyond these maniacs, and that's something they're actually proud of.
- [quote]Irrationality is simply that... the inability to get the right answers from data.
FLUNK, R446! That sounds like a Hubbardism.
Jennifer Lopez' father is in, has been for years.
So cult told Jeffrey Tambor "Handle or disconnect" and he replied "disconnect from YOU." Excellent. I hope he knows exes with lawyers are having pretty good luck getting their monies on account refunded...
I'm not convinced Lisa Marie Presley is out either - if she wants to lose the stigma she needs to say "I am out." The mindfuck and the expense are so intense that IMO until you've burned the bridge you're still one of them. Besides, her mom Priscilla, her husband and her kids (yep, including Riley Keough) are all still in, there's been no signs of disconnection there, and she's living in a big ass mansion she bought close to the UK cult headquarters.
- R464, Isn't Scientology also very racist? Maybe minorities are savvier than many Whites but I don't see plenty of people of color in management positions in the cult. That makes Will&wife's involvement in Scieno even more bizarre.
- [quote] You shouldn't be scrubbing the floor on your hands and knees. Get yourself a nigger; that's what they're born for. –L. Ron Hubbard, in a letter to first wife, Polly Grubb
[quote] Actually, have you ever noticed how a Negro, in particular down south, where they're pretty close to the soil, personifies MEST? The gatepost and the wagon and the whip and anything around there—a hat. They talk to them, you know. "What'sa mattuh wi' you hat?" They imbue them with personality. –L. Ron Hubbard, Therapy section of Technique 80 ("Route to Infinity" tapes), Part I, a lecture given on 21 May 1952
[quote] Unlike yellow and brown people, the white does not usually believe he can get attention from matter or objects...The white goes further. He often believes he can get attention only from whites and that yellow and brown people's attention is worthless. Thus the yellow and brown races are not very progressive, but, by and large, saner.
–L. Ron Hubbard, Scientology: The Fundamentals of Thought, Bridge Publications: Los Angeles, 1997.
And there's plenty more:
- I heard that theaters are already cutting back on the number of screens that are showing it. The theater around the corner was scheduled to show it all this week, but they completely quit showing it. Brutal indeed.
- My 12 year old nephew went to see it with some friends this weekend. He says they all hated it and thought it was boring and stupid.
As the 12 year old boys go - so goes this movie.
It's a huge failure.
- "Will Smith's Scientology Ties Odd Given Founder's Overt Racism
L. Ron Hubbard Writings Spoke Ill of African Americans Other Races
By TheImproper Staff, June 3rd, 2013
Will Smith’s movie with son Jaden Smith has been criticized for promoting Scientology.
Will Smith’s and Jada Pinkett Smith’s ties to Scientology and the controversy it’s causing surrounding his latest picture, “After Earth,” are bizarre given the overt racism of the pseudo-religion’s founder L. Ron Hubbard.
Smith’s picture, which is bombing at the box office, has touched off a heated debate about Scientology’s hold on Hollywood.
The movie’s themes, reflected in dialog, are clearly aligned with many of the church’s precepts. Meanwhile, the Smiths’ ties to church are well known. They’ve donated thousands of dollars to the organization over the years, although more recently they have moved away from the group.
Smith has insisted numerous times that he is not a Scientologist although he has defended pal Tom Cruise for his ardent belief in Hubbard’s teachings.
Smith has also compared Dianetics to teachings in the Bible. “In all of the experiences I’ve had with Tom and Scientology, like, 98 percent of the principles are identical to the principles of the Bible,” he said in a 2007 interview with Vogue magazine.
The church’s philosophy is based on a system of “universal truths” known as “Dianetics.” Hubbard, a science-fiction writer came up with the philosophy in the 1950s. Although he was revered by his church as someone who was enlightened, he was very grounded in his times, especially on race relations.
Hubbard was overtly racist and considered people of color to be sub-human, according to many of his own writings.
Jesse Prince, an African American and former high-ranking church leader, says Hubbard’s racism permeates the church to this day.
“[Current church leader] David Miscavige, is a racist, a racist in extremis, as well as his South African companion, Norman Starkey,” Prince said in a 1998 radio interview.
“I was the only African-American that I know of that ever achieved a high position within Scientology. And even then, I was continually subjected to racial slurs by David Miscavige and, um, Norman Starkey to the point where we nearly came to blows about it,” he added.
“L. Ron Hubbard himself is on tape giving lectures speaking about how stupid, uh, African-Americans are, you know, and how they can’t be cleared and the best thing to do is to just put ‘em all on a barge and dump ‘em in the middle of the water,” he said. “They don’t care anything about African-American people.”
- Thanks, R470. The "In all of the experiences I’ve had with Tom and Scientology" is very revealing. Tammy was really going after him, wasn't he? And it seems to have worked.
The 2% Smith doesn't find aligning to the Bible must be the parts about alien soul possession, Earth space history, and the desire not only to eliminate gays but commit genocide on African Americans.
Idiots. It will be interesting to see how Smith salvages his image.
- "The Karate Kid II" opening Summer 2014!
- R471, Always nice to be appreciated; will remember you next time I get dissed on DL.
Now for those of you who are still a member of any of the Christian denominations, Scientology claims that you can also be of any religion. However if you believe in Jesus Christ, or think that he was a prophet, or lead an exemplary life to be followed, Scienos then claim that you have the evil and destructive remnants of a former being lodged inside of you which must be quickly and completely and totally excised to prevent further harm.
- r468, I'd be very surprised if your theater's contract with Sony would allow them to pull a picture after its first weekend. Move to a smaller screen, maybe. Cut back some screens, maybe. Drop it all together? Unlikely.
In other words: link, please.
- R474, In Vegas they quickly reduce the number of times per day a movie is shown if it does that poorly.
- How can you consider yourself a Christian while not believeing in Jesus?
- In my theater, if a movie doesn't perform well I throw it right out in the trash immediately and replace it with another movie. Why continue to show a stinker and lose money. If you have a restaurant, do you continue to serve the dish no one orders or do you focus on the moneymakers?
- Bitches, I got super drunk last night and thought I was seeing Iron Man 3 but found myself in the After Earth theater. You know what? I sort of liked it. Will was trying too hard and Jaden was annoying as hell, but the movie itself was pretty good. Is it Citizen Kane? No. Nor is it Gigli.
- I BELIEVE YOU R478
- I've hated Will & that kid of his ever since I watched the Justin Bieber documentary on Netflix...in it, Will essentially pays to get his arrogant, talentless son to "perform" on stage @ one of Justin's concerts. Vomit-inducing to the max! NONE of you could possibly hate that kid more than I do.
- R477, in your restaurant you own the food and can use itas you see fit.
In a movie theatre, you have a license to use someone else's product to make money for both parties. You cannot unilaterally trash it; it's not yours to trash.
Of course you can reduce its showings, change its screens, stop promoting it, and eventually stop showing it, but only according to the terms of your contact.
- I seen After Earth last night and it was not to bad it was not the greatest but ok and I would see it again if it came on tv --- I think people who are trashing it are just jumpin on the bandwagon --- like I said it is not the best movie of all times but it is still worth the $10.95 I spend to see it. It's no worse than Pearl Harbor or Oblivon.
- [quote]It's no worse than Pearl Harbor or Oblivon. (sic)
The new clam strategy - compare to other middling pieces of shit instead of the watery corn-studded diarrhea that it is.
- R482 "I seen After Earth..." - Oh, dear!
Grammer Troll #356B
- R484 here. Oops. I meant to say "Grammar Troll #356B." I guess that's what I get for being a bitch, huh?
Grammar Troll #356B
- Why would anybody go to this movie and pay 11 bucks, knowing it's a piece of shit?
- Sorry. I meant I seed it last night.
- Sorry. Did it again. I meant I seened it last night. Fuck. Who carez about Engl. any weigh?
- R484 - that's why I usually refrain from doing that...I've learned from experience that karma usually bites me in the butt immediately. (Yes I know that's not how karma is supposed to work...la-dee-dah). ;)
- R482 I ain't seed it yet but mabee wen it cum on da teevee.
Great Xenu's Ghost, Batman!
- R476, That's Scieno twisted thinking for you, or how they initially reel suckers in. They claim that you can be a Christian or of any other faith, and then watch out. Thanks to the internet we now know the truth.
"Jesus in Scientology
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
According to R. Philip Roberts in The Apologetics Study Bible, "Scientology's upper-level materials tout the concept of Jesus as God as being a fiction that ought to be removed by 'auditing'".
Jesus as a Memory Implant
In the 2008 book Vintage Jesus: Timeless Answers to Timely Questions, authors Mark Driscoll and Gerry Breshears write: "According to Scientology, Jesus is an 'implant' forced upon a thetan about a million years ago". In A Piece of Blue Sky, Jon Atack writes "In confidential issues, Hubbard dismissed Christian teaching as an 'implant.' ... In confidential materials Hubbard attacked Christianity as an 'implant,' and said that Christ was a fiction."
Tony Ortega writes in a 1999 article in the Phoenix New Times that the Church of Scientology "believes Jesus Christ is a figment of the imagination." Ortega writes that according to Scientology, Jesus was a false memory implanted into humans as a result of the Xenu space opera. When Ortega asked Church of Scientology spokeswoman Karin Pouw about this theology, she responded: "So what if we believe Jesus is a figment of the imagination?"
Hubbard is quoted as stating that Christianity evolved from the "R6 Implant": "The man on the cross. There was no Christ! The Roman Catholic Church, through watching the dramatizations of people picked up some little fragments of R6."
- what's with all the "patterns" that Will and his spawn keep talking about.
- Isn't patterns some kind of Scieno-speak?
- Atheist DL, I hope that you will not be offended by my post showing how Scienos really view Christianity, in contrast to what they initially claim. If you carefully read between the lines, you will see that Scienos also contradict Atheistic thinking. You are not allowed to make your own personal decisions on what you do or do not believe to be true about anything. In that regard Scienos is more mentally dangerous than any other form of religious thought.
- [quote]Now this is a story all about when My soul got infested by space aliens And I'd like to take a minute, just lean back and sit I'll tell you how I came to believe in some really stupid shit.
[quote]In a studio in Hollywood, young and brash On a sitcom is where I made most of my cash Chillin' out, acting and raking in the green Making movies and a TV show that everyone's seen Till a couple stars, they were up to some shit Got me to read Dianetics and I was diggin' it I got in one little chat with my man Tom Cruise He said, "If you get with Scientology you just can't lose!"
[quote]I paid for an audit, and when I was read It said I had all kinds of thetans and engrams in my head If anything, I could say these guys had no cred But I thought, "Naw, forget it. I wanna get ahead!"
[quote]I pulled up to the Centre about 7 or 8 And I yelled to my friends, "Yo SPs, smell ya later!" I looked at my e-meter, and it started to beep To guide me on my path as a new Scilon creep.
I love it, post of the thread for me.
I'll probably see After Earth on a longhaul plane ride, so I can take the piss out of it.
Cypher Raige is the best name ever though. It sounds like something Troy McClure would turn down.
- [quote]Bitches, I got super drunk last night and thought I was seeing Iron Man 3 but found myself in the After Earth theater. You know what? I sort of liked it.
Now we know what it takes to like this mess: Getting "super drunk" beforehand.
- Corn?? Corn?? I don't remember eating corn!
- Hubbard on Christianity, verbatim, the quotes Wikipedia is referencing:
[quote]For those of you whose Christian toes I may have stepped on, let me take the opportunity to disabuse you of some lovely myths. For instance, the historic Jesus was not nearly the sainted figure [he] has been made out to be. In addition to being a lover of young boys and men, he was given to uncontrollable bursts of temper and hatred.... You have only to look at the history his teachings inspired to see where it all inevitably leads. It is historic fact and yet man still clings to the ideal, so deep and insidious is the biologic implanting. - L Ron Hubbard, Student Briefing, OT VIII, Series 1
[quote]...it became what is known as Christianity. The man on the Cross. There was no Christ. But the man on the cross is shown as Everyman. So of course each person seeing a crucified man, has an immediate feeling of sympathy for this man. L Ron Hubbard, Assists lecture #10, Class VIII lectures
There's even tape of him saying the last one - you can hear it with other craziness here:
- R441, Please read the Going Clear thread, as I've just posted evidence of how the unwary get sucked into Scienotology, exactly like one gets physically addicted to drugs.
- R476, "From 0t8 level of Scientology, 'Jesus was a pedophile and lover of young boys.'"
- R476, Please note that L. Ron Hubbard said if you say "Satan" with a lisp it sounds like "thetan."
Continuing from the same source quoted in R500,
"L. Ron Hubbard, HCOPL 25 February 1966:
"MAKE MONEY. MAKE MORE MONEY.
MAKE OTHER PEOPLE PRODUCE SO AS TO MAKE MORE MONEY."
Ron Is A Con Saturday, March 06, 2004 - 08:11 am
That reminds me of the Real definition of "Supressive Person" as used in Scientology:
"Anyone who interferes with the continued extraction of money from Scientology's rubes"
- Loved it and am looking forward to After Earth 2.
- R502 that is fucking gut spasm funny
- After Earth 2: The Wrath of Xenu
- You couldn't pay me to watch a Will Smith movie.
- [quote]I'm not convinced Lisa Marie Presley is out either - if she wants to lose the stigma she needs to say "I am out." The mindfuck and the expense are so intense that IMO until you've burned the bridge you're still one of them. Besides, her mom Priscilla, her husband and her kids (yep, including Riley Keough) are all still in
Her current husband was not in. The ex-husband you're talking about is the father of Riley (and Ben) and if you know what you pretend to know about Scientology, you'd understand why she'd be cautious of the impact on familial relations for her children and herself.
Some people value family stability over P.R. efforts toward strangers.
- Me neither, R505. I left in the middle of Hancock because it was so boring. I'm surprised that movie didn't flop.
- I loved Hancock. It's one of the few superhero movies I could stand.
In general I've really liked Will Smith, and find him very charming onscreen. But this looks dire.
- Lisa Marie Presley's "You ain't seen nothing yet" (which she co-wrote and is quite good IMO) you can clearly hear a rebuttal of the church. Esp the part where she goes "I'm a bit transgressive and suppressive as yet".
The video also clearly states her desire to make a clean break with the past.
- Will and his crotchling will be on Ellen this afternoon!
- I didn't like Hancock because it wasn't realistic in that he causes so much destruction and property damage and just gets to walk away from it. In real like (I know!) someone has to pay for all that damage, which could easily run into the billions.
- Cheer up, Will Smith! Best part of the video is when they go into the actual Scientology org.
(Surely these guys will get sued, at the very least for using the copyrighted symbol and the photo of David Miscavige.)
- Michael Lockwood (Lisa Marie Presley's current husband) Scientology completions:
- It had something to do with scientology. Will should have known better then to walk with Tom Cruise.
- There is shameless PR/advertising going on in Earth's IMDB page. Saying to go make a statement and watch the damn movie. First of all, why the fuk should we put out 10 bucks into an already rich man's pocket. It's good that it failed.
- Word of mouth is causing this film to go down to epic proportions.
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- So what? He's still hot, and still will make millions from it and he'll still be an A-list.
The movie will make a profit. Virtually no movie loses "actual" money now, with worldwide release and DVDs and cable rentals.
Of course with Hollywood Accounting, they all "lose" money.