The way this show is being hyped you'd think Jesus Christ was going to make his Second Coming on it.
Watching the IFC marathon now!
"LOOK WHAT THE HOMOSEXUALS HAVE DONE TO ME KNOW"???!??
"You can't just blow that out and reset it"???!!
No where near as exciting as AD on Netflix, R1.
I thought it was today. I keep refreshing and come up with nothing. I need to laugh NOW....
Probably at 3am when Cali hits midnight, R4 (just guessing).
Its on now. Only a few minutes in Kristen Wig and Seth Rogen as young mama and daddy Bluth AND Liza...
Oh dear. Two episodes in and I've laughed maybe twice.
More, r7 (but spoiler free please)
1st episode was ok 2nd truly bad. Each episode is a catch up to one character. Third belongs to Portia....
I'm finding it hard to follow and I've watched the full series twice.
It's not out for torrent download yet. Hanging out for it in Australia.
Someone told too skinny Portia 'what do you weigh? 90 lbs?' Ouch...
Can't believe there's a whole subplot spoofing the "Jessica Chastain is Ron Howard's illegitimate daughter" rumor. Datalounge is the only place I ever heard that rumor.
I don't recognize Portia de Rossi. She looks like Sally Sitwell. Her hairline is about 2 inches higher than it was, giving her a massive five head. She looks hydrocephalic.
Watched a few episodes when they were posted after midnight. Is it just me or does it seem like the writing is off/different? Admittedly, I haven't watched the previous episodes in years, but I don't remember Michael being that ridiculous and annoying and I don't remember George Sr. being portrayed as a dumb idiot before.
I kind of found the first two episodes hard to watch and I'm so far, a little disappointed.
This is really disappointing. Not a single laugh-out-loud moment in the first two episodes.
Nice to see John Slattery and Mary Lynn Rajskub.
Love Mary Lynn Rajskub - recalls the Larry Sanders Show.
I think the DL influenced a particular subplot...lol.
I haven't watched yet because I was thinking there might be problems on Netflix with the higher traffic.
So no problems then?
On episode 9 and LOVING it. Each episode gets better and better. It took me just a few episodes to get into the groove (and them too, I guess), but holy shit this is still the best show on TV ... or whatever we can call it now.
We're watching now.
Portia looks really different - is it fillers or what?
There's too much voiceover.
R21: It does look like Portia has had A LOT of work.
It's the diamond cream with real FUCKING diamonds!
I've seen the older episodes so many times and yet I still can't stop watching the current marathon on IFC long enough to watch the new ones.
I hope you're right r9. Two episodes in and I'm really disappointed. Like others have said, it hard to follow and real laughs are scarce. I don't like one character centered episodes.
r26: it gets better!
The first couple of episodes are heavy on exposition and narration, but it does get way better. I'm watching classic Arrest Development right now.
They did a great job with this.
"No, I meant I'm glad to be out of that hot box in the desert."
When does it get better? I'm on episode 5 and think it's still awful.
I'm here to see my little girl and get my rocks off.
I just finished episode 10. I think it picked up right at episode 6. I can't say the season is knee-slappingly funny, but I'm blown away by the complexity of the story as it keeps getting bigger and bigger and folding back on itself constantly. I think it might be some of the cleverest TV writing seen in some time.
I watched episode one last night, and was going to rewatch it this morning, but now that episode is missing from the season 4 episode list...can we only watch the episodes one time?
That would be ridiculous, R33.
What if a couple can't watch a show at the same time? If one gets to watch it, does that mean the other misses out?
[quote]this is still the best show on TV ... or whatever we can call it now.
"It's not TV, it's HBO." "No, wait, it's not HBO ... it's NETFLIX!"
[quote]What if a couple can't watch a show at the same time? If one gets to watch it, does that mean the other misses out?
You're whining about something that isn't true. The episodes don't "disappear" after you watch them, and you can certainly rewatch them.
It's great that with the multiple timelines they can go back and spoof parts of American culture that have happened since the show went of the air
R36? Did you miss my first sentence where I pointed out that it's ridiculous for that to be the case? The rest was rhetorical.
I'm just guessing that with the lack of activity on this thread, a lot of people are also binge-viewing AD today.
George Sr. was always the weakest main character. Why does he get two centric episodes?
I'm going to start watching soon. Is Lucille Bluth still FIERCE?
Georgie Sr. to a barely-recognizable Lindsay: "If you have any more work done, your cartilage is going to collapse"
Love that it was acknowledged.
" Is Lucille Bluth still FIERCE?"
I don't understand that question and I won't respond to it.
"So glad to be out of that sweaty old hot-box"
I loved the 2nd Michael-centric episode. Now it seems to be getting good.
Episode 6 is where it starts to hit its stride. Up until then it feels way too forced.
If this show doesn't win every Emmy, something is wrong. I'm almost bummed for Louie, but this show is genius.
Rebel Hall, like Ron Howard's other daughters Bryce Dallas and Paige Carlyle, was named for the place she was conceived. LOL
Rebel Alley, I mean!!!
"George Sr. was always the weakest main character. Why does he get two centric episodes?"
He was available.
George Michael also has multiple episodes devoted to him. There are 15 episodes, so ... do the math. Though they all appear in each others' episodes.
It looks like I'm watching them all today. I was going to break it up, but I can't stop watching.
I was just about to start watching it and my cable/internet went out.
The GOB Entourage episode is pure brilliance. Did anyone else notice the "and Jeremy Piven" sign at the beginning??
I just watched the first two eps: Meh.
You mean I have to get through four more before it gets better, R46?
Steve Holt looks hideous. I love that GOB talked to him for 2 hours and didnt even know it was him.
[quote]Steve Holt looks hideous. I love that GOB talked to him for 2 hours and didnt even know it was him.
That didn't make a whole lot of sense, as it happened just after GOB's wedding, which happened not long after the end of the series. Steve shouldn't have looked that different.
I'm about halfway through and my review is very mixed... there are places when everything clicks into place and it feels like Arrested Development, but then long stretches where the timing is off and it doesn't feel funny enough. And it's frustrating that there's not enough interaction between the main characters.
The George Sr. storyline isn't amusing at all, and there are two episodes devoted to it of the first five. I was ready to give up after episode 2, though it did get better. The stuff with GOB and Lindsay and Tobias is the best -- GOB's ill-fated wedding has one of the series' funniest sight gags ever.
There is a surprisingly large amount of Liza, and more of Henry Winkler than I was expecting too. So far Michael Cera has had the least amount of screentime, but it looks like the concluding episodes focus on him.
I'm on #5, and so far it isn't working for me.
It's always been an ensemble show, and this is like watching the Three Stooges with an episode about Moe, followed by an episode about Larry, then an episode about Curly.
And again, does anyone else feel the characters seem off? It's like the writers and actors forgot how the characters were originally presented. Michael was never portrayed as annoying, desperate and dumb and I don't remember George, Sr. ever being portrayed as dumb. That's how those two are coming off to me in Season 4.
Wonder if Cera hard to sign thus his consulting producer credit...
Wonder if the movie Bateman keeps talking about is THE MOVIE...
Cera has a producer's credit because he worked in the writer's room.
And who the hell is John Beard fucking that he's in or mentioned in practically every episode? Is he still even on NBC News?
I'm enjoying it more and more and the rest of you can go cry in your pie!
And speaking of Michael Cera... he's really not aging well at all. It's like his nose keeps protruding and his chin keeps receding. He looked better as a 14 year old than he does at 24.
"And she never even saw the license plate" LOL
Cera has always been funny looking and he is getting worse as he ages. Maeby has also lost her youthful charm...
I'm up to the episode Lindsey(Portia looks better with her real hair) becomes like her mother. I agree it is getting better...
Georgesr is like Stanley in TGG much better in small doses...
Maybe highlighting one character per episode was because they had to work around Bateman's film career...
Episode 9-- Lucille is in fire!!! I'm loving the Debris(?) character!
Me too! Debree is awesome!
Tobias: Have you been drinking?!?!
Debree: Noooo ... It's pills.
Yeah Michael Cera's looking older than Jason Bateman.
r73: Bateman has noticeably aged.
Lucille speaking about the Asian Housewives: They come after me and they'll find themselves one UN-fortune-ate cookie!
Why name one character Marc Cherry? Because his show DH killed AD in ratings?
Whoever asked about Lucille: she's perfection. Her episode, along with her interactions with Lucille 2, are classic AD.
R76, Marc Cherry actually played himself on the show in an earlier episode.
3 episodes in and it's really awful. I hope it gets better.
I'm only watching one episode a day, and then watching it a second time before moving on. I'm hoping to catch some of the foreshadowing.
Episode #1, Buster has only one line: "I keep losing my jewels." Things don't look good for Buster.
GOB and George Michael just kissed after GOB sucked GM's pinky.
Sally Sitwell is an alpaca!!!
5 episodes in...still really bad.
GOB has gay sex!!!!
I was so confused about anus tart, but then I got to the license plate. Literally laughed out loud for about five minutes.
It does get better. I think it will get better with multiple viewings too, like the earlier seasons. Even though it wasn't as laugh out loud funny as the classics I think they did a great job at telling a complex story in an interesting format.
ANUSTART is a classic. I'm surprised (no, wait--this is DL so I'm not surprised) that so many of you don't like it. It feels very much like the old Arrested Development episodes to me. I love Judy Greer and Ron Howard.
They're the ambiguously gay duo.
I assure you there is nothing ambiguous about me. I'm Johnny Flamer of the Fantastic Four.
The first handful of episodes were almost a chore to get through, but the later episodes are some of the best of the series. So yes, it does get a lot better.
But I'm still going to go and rewatch the first episodes again. I think a large pat of my disconnect with them was me getting adjusted to the new style of storytelling the show now has.
They have pretty much destroyed the idea of self-contained episode storylines, which is jarring, but when it all starts coming together is actually pretty awesome.
By the time I got the Tobias-centered episode, I was dying from how they synced it up to Lindsay's and her trip to India. I should have known it was Tobias behind her in the plane!
Also, I will never be able to look at those AT&T commercials with the kids the same way again. "I'll show you I'm not gay".
I'll watch E6 after I've watched the Liberace movie, but I'm somewhat surprised by the incredible lack of Gob and Buster. It's disconcerting.
I don't know how DL couldn't love this considering the Jessica Chastain reference.
Maebe: Please don't squeeze the shaman.
Ok I LOLed
I think most of us after a few episodes the show is great
I started to get used to Portia's new face after she cut her hair. It's really cute when it's short like that.
The Maebe episode is some funny shit! "Thank you Kirk Cameron for that very bible-y introduction."
[quote]The first handful of episodes were almost a chore to get through, but the later episodes are some of the best of the series. So yes, it does get a lot better.
But I'm still going to go and rewatch the first episodes again. I think a large pat of my disconnect with them was me getting adjusted to the new style of storytelling the show now has.
I'm glad I hung in because after the first four or five episodes I was ready to give up. I wonder how the show would've been structured had Hurwitz had been able to get everyone's schedules to line up (the CGI is really obvious in the trial scene between Lucille and Lucille 2. I think a number of Tony Wonder scenes were CGI. Less noticeable are the Barry Zuckercorn scenes).
I'm only to episode five, but there are serious problems with the ensemble not being together. It's obvious the writers tried to find ways to get around the actor's availability. It was always an ensemble show.
There are still some moments, but it's lost its groove. Obviously that was going to happen after seven years. Not sure why this had to be revived if this is the result.
The green screening of actors into other's scenes is actually offensive to me. I'm kind of shocked by it. It really throws off everything.
Lucille is still fabulous, and her smoking scene was brilliant.
"You look as swishy as Ryan Seacrest"
"Ryan Seacrest is Straight"
"And I'm 40"
I agree the first five have been a chore to get through. Does it really get better? I'm not sure it's worth the investment for a couple of laughs.
Yes, it gets better.
I love that Maebe did not recognize Steve Holt, even after his "Steve Holt!".
It's worth it, and it will be even better on rewatches. The story keeps looping around on itself, and adds addition information to scenes you've already seen.
I guess I’m in the minority or maybe it’s because I love and appreciate seeing these characters again, whether they’re all together or not, but I enjoyed the first two episodes; especially the second George Sr. centric one. The smoking scene between Lucille and Buster gave me a good laugh.
I agree even when you are not laughing its good to see the actors/characters again. Unlike Its Always Sunny In you laugh a lot but the show has only awful characters in it...
No one mentioned Tommy Tune? What is wrong with you, bitches?
It's Always Sunny In Philadelphia is the funniest show on TV.
Funny yes. Likeable characters hell no...
ARGYLE: You're going to have to work with our new patient, and good luck with her. We call her the B word from the C ward. Or is it the C word from the B ward?
NARRATOR: And then Tobias got some more bad news.
LUCILLE: Hello, anus tart.
NARRATOR: And she'd never even seen the license plate.
Most episodes are almost 40 minutes long. That is a hour show on network TV. You just know whoever writes the show reads DL. How can you not love a show that gives a shout out to MST3K?
Michael Cera hasn't always been odd looking... I was re-watching seasons one and two and was surprised at how cute and normal looking he was back then, handsome, even. And Alia was equally darling. It's shocking how young they were when the show started, one thing I noticed is how drastically Alia's voice changed.
Alia grew up really fast. Unlike Cera who's still an man-boy, she looks like an adult woman now.
Also, GOB turning out to be bisexual-ish was amazing, and kind of cute.
Will Arnett is so incredibly hot in that wedding scene. Beyond.
The Arnett/Stiller bromance was hilarious.
I never thought GOB/ Arnett was kinda hot until I saw this. The scene with him and Ben Stiller was well done...
I hope AD beats the hell out that ABC family sitcom at The Emmys...
The Maeby and GOB episodes are classic...
Debris to Liza, Tobias tries to quiet her instead she says 'pills'...
I think she's great as Lindsey but I was completely distracted by Portia de Rossi's new face in her first episode. I hope it gets better with the haircut.
Watched the first two episodes.
There was a smugness to them, as if everyone thought they were being far more clever than they were.
I don't remember the show being so stupid.
And the kids sure grew up ugly.
Is DeBrie Madge from Mad Men?
Alan Tudyk is hot
OMG the CG french kiss reenactment.
Lucille (screaming): "You're a hot mess"!
Buster (screaming): "You're the hot mess"!!!!
The supporting actors are getting a surprising amount of screentime.
The Maeby episode was really good. I'd say it's too bad they waited so long for hers, but there were so many tie-ins from earlier episodes, it made it worth the wait.
[quote]I hope AD beats the hell out that ABC family sitcom at The Emmys...[/quote]
Interesting you say that r114, because I realized that Modern Family is the first comedy since Arrested Development's original run that hasn't done an episode yet that doesn't crack me up. I love them both.
Maeby's episode was so great. It reminds me why I've always liked her so much.
2/3 of the Funke's are now sex offenders lol
It all kind of came together... for anyone who didn't want to stick it out past the first 4 or 5 episodes, keep watching.
Interesting cliffhanger. Have they started working on the movie yet, or is it dependent on the success of this season?
R108, I literally laughed out loud at that moment.
Okay the episodes do get a lot better once you get through the first few. For me, it took until about Episode 7 with the first GOB centric episode. It's probably because it's the first one where more of the characters are brought in.
Although the first few episodes don't work as well because of the change of format (the show works better as an Ensemble), you start to see how everything intertwines together in about episode 6 and it's sort of genius, and makes you appreciate them more for what they are. Just a shame that it takes so long to get you there.
[quote]Will Arnett is so incredibly hot in that wedding scene. Beyond.
Will has done it for me ever since Season One when he's on the boat in that black swimsuit with his legs slightly spread.. damn he's fucking hot.
This is genius! George Maharis is the name George takes because everyone associates George Michael with his arrests for lewd conduct. He took the name Maharis in part because Maeby kept pronouncing herress with a hard H sound.
Anyway, look at this AND look at the person he was booked with!
Buster as a drone pilot? His episode is a scream. I don't want to watch the last episode will be sad when it is over...
I hope Jessica Walters wins an Emmy...
Nice catch R132. That guy looks like Chris Traeger.
I hate the ending, but I hope that means the movie or season 5 is going to happen. Other than that, it was amazing.
Ugh, up to episode 6 and it's another George Sr. epsiode? This is really a slog.
I love it from the beginning, but I agree with most everyone else, it really start picking up after episode six.
George Michael: I wouldn't put all of my Anns in one basket.
Emmys for Jessica Walters, Will Arnett and Alia Shawkat!
7 episodes in and I quit. Maybe it gets better, but I can't bear watching them try again and again to be funny and failing. It really is more awful than I ever thought it could be, limp and hacky. What a fucking bummer.
I can't get over how bad the hair and makeup is. All the wigs look cheaper than the shit Britney wears on her head and the makeup? Everyone's walking around looking jaundiced.
Isla Fisher is Michael's best love interest. Too bad they don't have many scenes. Even though Isla is almost 40 standing next to George Michael and Maeby they look they same age.
Buster: Is this one of those nights where nothing is as it seems and there's no cream pie for dessert?
Yeah, I think I'm done too r140. It's just not working this time around. Not having the ensemble together is very disappointing. The multiple cameos every five seconds are annoying, and interrupt the flow. The show is not structured in a satisfying way any more. What used to feel smart and sharp now just feels tired and effortful. There are some great lines and a couple of good sight gags, otherwise... Eh.
The media build up and anticipation certainly hasn't helped matters.
I have not seen many episodes but I have a question I hope someone can answer. Why is there SO MUCH voiceover narration? It just feels endless, as if someone were reading aloud while you are watching TV. I find it very annoying and it makes it hard for me to stay with the show.
It eases up on the narration, which I forgave for necessary exposition but which I also agree was very heavy handed. They even mock it later in the George Michael episodes.
It allows them to get away with not filming as much. They were obviously on a tight budget.
I think part of the issue is that these characters are better in smaller doses, which is why the shorter, ensemble-oriented episodes of season 1-3 worked so well. I also think the new episodes are suffering from the expanded geography. I liked the narrow world of seasons 1-3: the penthouse, the office, the model home, Wee Britain, the banana stand, etc.
That said, it's still good. I remember feeling a little letdown down by season 2 but found it improved upon re-watching. Hope the same happens with the new episodes.
Because Hollywood kisses Ron howard's ass? Because the plot is very complicated?
I didn't really notice too much narration I'm just glad its back.. Bothers me a little it is the one of the greatest ensemble shows of all time and this ISN'T an ensemble. Also Michael was always the heart of the show who held everything together but Jason Bateman was probably filming Identity Theft instead of being the star of season 4. Also bothers me sweet George Michael is no longer so...
Still I'm glad its back and hope for more...
The last scene is incredible.
The gripes are starting to roll in. After weeks of insane adulation, the Times says that Arrested Development is DOA.
I could have written this article myself.
Most of the "reviews" I have read have been written by people too lazy to watch the whole season before writing their article. No wonder they keep saying negative things, if you wrote a review about half the movie, you'd have negative feelings about it too.
This isn't network TV, it's a whole different animal, and it shouldn't be reviewed in the same process as network TV. Season 4 is meant to be one eight hour(ish) whole.
Except that we're talking about eight episodes of unexceptional tv, r152. Four plus hours. A lot of shows would have been unceremoniously cancelled before that. The critics and watchers are giving it more of a chance because of its pedigree.
Are you telling me that I'm supposed to watch nine hours of a comedy to its very last scene before it finally becomes funny? That's fucking ridiculous. Who has that kind of time to waste?
The first season of this show was funny right out of the gate, and remained fairly consistently so (with some exceptions) for two more seasons. That's why people wanted more of it in the first place.
The fact is, they restructured how the show functioned because the cast was not available, and the ensemble suffered. The writing has not been nearly as sharp. The actors are uninspired and it shows. It's lost its groove and should have stayed what it was: a fun show to visit in reruns.
So far, Netflix is one for three. House of Cards has been their only success.
Hemlock Grove was more watched than House of Cards and Arrested Development is already more watched than both of them.
[quote] A lot of shows would have been unceremoniously cancelled before that.
I've said it before, and I'll say it again: but it's NOT NORMAL TV. They knew they wouldn't be cancelled halfway through a season, so they did not write to network tv's conventions.
[quote]I've said it before, and I'll say it again: but it's NOT NORMAL TV. They knew they wouldn't be cancelled halfway through a season, so they did not write to network tv's conventions.
Yeah, but they should have. You don't resuscitate a cult hit and change its formatting and what made it work, and expect not to get backlash.
There's hardly a backlash. Some people like it, some people don't.
[quote]There's hardly a backlash.
Really? Have you not been paying attention?
Despite the flaws I enjoyed AD AND Hemlock Grove much more than House of Cards. The critics aren't always right...
[quote]Really? Have you not been paying attention?
Yes, which is how I know. Like I said, some people like it, some don't. There's no overwhelming consensus in either direction, but if you read the threads on IMDB a slight majority really enjoyed it, though acknowledge the flaws.
Yeah the NY Times saying that Netflix killed the series isn't backlash at all.
No. It's not. It's one opinion. One opinion does not equal a backlash, especially when the majority are able to recognize that just because something isn't flawless, doesn't mean it's terrible. As more and more people finish the season, you can see the tide turning and more people are enjoying it.
[quote]This isn't network TV, it's a whole different animal, and it shouldn't be reviewed in the same process as network TV. Season 4 is meant to be one eight hour(ish) whole.
I don't think this can be over-stated.
The NY Times article isn't just one opinion, it's an opinion that is saying the same thing as countless other people have.
Youre completely ignoring the tons of people who have stated they don't like it and who have complained that they're not bothering past 5 episodes. Even in this thread alone, people have said that the way they changed the format sucks.
Are there a lot of people who like it? Yeah. Are there a lot of people who don't? Yup. And that is backlash, like it or not.
I just now got George's joke when he meets Oscar at the club and says "I'm going to sit opposite you so it won't look bad." Lol
I think the point is that something shouldn't take five hours to get through before it gets enjoyable.
I'm one of the ones that didn't think it picked up until Episode 7. At the end of it, did I enjoy it? It's a toss up. I can certainly appreciate what it did, but I can also say that I think it was executed poorly and they could have developed it better.
Is it as good as the original first three seasons? Not even close. Should they have even bothered releasing it now if they couldn't match the original series or do it the way the original was done? Debatable.
Ultimately, to me, it seems like they just released it because they could and rushed into it to capitalize on an audience wanting the series to come back.
It seems thrown together and sloppy. Not only does the format not line up with the previous seasons, neither do a lot of the characters. Half the actors don't even really seem to be into it.
Like I said, I can appreciate it more now that I've gotten to the end of Season 4... but I can certainly see why people would be frustrated and don't like it and/or couldn't get through the first few episodes. And there are more than a handful who felt that way. I haven't even seen much praise for Season 4, but I've seen a lot of underwhelmed responses to it.
Thought the first few episodes were good, not great. But the last handful of episodes, as it starts collapsing in on itself, are brilliant. Payoff after payoff after amazing payoff.
I'm glad they tried something different. They could never have recreated the AD from 2003-2006, partly because the kind of TV that AD created has been imitated to death. They took a step in a new, strange direction. There would have been backlash no matter what.
If it wasn't underappreciated at first, it wouldn't be Arrested Development.
"Arrested Development disappointed" is the first search result on Twitter. It autofills to that phrase. People aren't happy.
Just watched the last episode and loved it. I have seen the plot of the mother/daughter father/son dating the same person done on every soap opera but how it ended surprised me. I hope the haters don't win and we see more...
GOB told Cera to his face you are not the most handsome guy in the world...
The camera does not love Brian Grazer...
I haven't read a single good review. Since they refused to release any episodes to critics, the reviews are now coming in and they are almost uniformly in agreement that the format change has destroyed the show.
Everyone is reluctant to say it, but Arrested Development season 4 SUCKS.
When you rely on reviews to form your opinions, you should be disappointed.
I watched six episodes before I read any reviews, but thanks for playing.
I don't think it sucks. It's just not as good as the original.
I also agree that you shouldn't have to watch half a series before it all comes together. That's like asking movie-goes to get the DVD with the extras because that explains everything.
[bold] Netflix stock sinks on mixed reviews of 'Arrested' [/bold]
SAN FRANCISCO (AP) -- The hoopla surrounding the return of "Arrested Development" on Netflix's Internet video service has dissolved into a letdown on Wall Street.
Netflix's stock fell more than 6 percent Tuesday as investors reacted to critics' mixed reviews of the first new "Arrested Development" episodes since the Fox broadcast network canceled the series seven years ago.
Netflix Inc. released all 15 episodes of the resurrected "Arrested Development" at the same time early Sunday.
Analysts insist it's still too early to tell whether "Arrested Development" will be a hit or a flop.
Netflix had 29.2 million U.S. subscribers in March. The Los Gatos, Calif., company is hoping positive buzz about "Arrested Development" will help add as many as 880,000 more customers by the end of June.
The stock closed at $214.19, down $14.55.
How can this be considered for Emmy? Is Netflix considered television or is this wishful thinking?
I just got my Netflix Emmy screener package today. It was a full set of House of Cards on DVD, and a voucher code to watch Arrested Development online for free. Take that as you will.
The second Lindsay and Tobias episodes were painfully unfunny. The Lucille episode was the closest to being the old AD, but even that didn't past muster. There are too many new actors and characters as they try to pad out the episodes. The DeBrie character is particularly awful and unwatchable.
Michael Cera hasn't appeared for eight episodes. Why did they even do this?
The guest actress playing Debrie deserves a Emmy for that performance.
Debrie is fabulous!
Ann: How did you like your egg?
GOB: I said you were fine!
I didn't realize, until I just started Googling, that Perfecto Telles (the name of Maeby's cutie-pie boyfriend) was a real person who was arrested with the real George Maharis in 1974. I love you, Arrested Development.
Yeah, you haters are ridiculous. The Tony Wonder/GOB episode is probably the best of the series. Episodes 8-14 are brilliant. It is a bummer that it takes so long to get going, but it's more than worth it. Maria Bamford is the best guest star and Maeby, Lucille, GOB, and Tobias are all brilliant.
Also House of Cards never went anywhere.
[quote]When you rely on reviews to form your opinions, you should be disappointed.
Pretty sure no one said they formed their opinion based on reviews... only that it confirmed that a lot of people don't like the new season.
Reading comprehension should be required before some of you are allowed to post.
R183 ... Yawn.
Just realized that not only are you the one with the poor reading comprehension but you're also the one that didn't initially get the, "I'm going to sit opposite you so it won't look bad" joke.
It all makes sense now.
I repeat, Yawn.
I feel bad for those not enjoying the fourth season. I understand it, though. It's a very different format. And this is definitely the WORST season of Arrested Development. But at it's worst, it's still better than most shows on TV ( Louie is better), and I'm still enjoying the hell out of it. Yes, there are a lot of jokes I missed the first time around, but that just adds to the rewatch ability factor that AD has always had.
I enjoy it also - the first 2-3 episodes (around George Sr) weren't the best - but the later ones were wonderful and funny.
I just wish they did more scenes were all the family were together - those were the best in the earlier episodes.
Oh and Will Arnett is looking very good!
[quote]you're also the one that didn't initially get the, "I'm going to sit opposite you so it won't look bad" joke. It all makes sense now.
R186 is going to turn this into a yawn fest. Just like most of Season 4.
[quote]you're also the one that didn't initially get the, "I'm going to sit opposite you so it won't look bad" joke. It all makes sense now.
Well, the really meta stuff tends to fly over my head on first viewing.
The episodes get better after Episode 6 because that's when they start integrating more of the cast members, making it more like the original formula of the show.
I agree with others that say you shouldn't have to wait 6 episodes for something to get funny. Most of you wouldn't sit through a 3 hour movie if it sucked for the first hour and a half.
ok - i didn't get the joke - please explain for someone that is dense!
R193, it's the same actor playing both roles. So he was saying he was going to sit across the table and not next to him so it "wouldn't look bad". If they're next to each other they'd have to superimpose it.
I can't express how much I loathed the George Michael episodes. The Buster episode was also pretty terrible. The ending was truly dreadful and tasteless.
I'm going to pretend this disastrous season never happened.
The numbers are fantastic, and Netflix is asking for a fifth season. But I think they want to do a movie? Not sure how that will work.
I thought the idea was this season would lead up to a movie, which accounts for the cliffhanger. Does anyone know what the deal is with that?
I don't think they should do a movie. The rhythm and look of the show are very TV. And people complained these episodes were too long at 28-35 minutes -- how will they feel watching 90-120 minutes in a row?
I thought it was kind of odd that Ann was involved but interacted only with GOB and not all with George Michael. Though the stuff about their failed wedding was hilarious.
Well, no one knows what the "numbers" are because Netflix doesn't discuss them, and they base their evaluation on whether they sign up new subscribers. Whether those new subscribers will actually stick around after gorging themselves is not foreseeable, and probably unlikely.
What is known is that critically it was a failure, and creatively it has received a lot of blowback. Getting another season together will most likely not happen. The actors could barely be mustered for this go around to the extreme detriment of the ensemble, and no one successful wants to be the subject of such harsh criticism when they don't need to be, considering they were paid nothing.
A movie is more likely, but I still think doubtful, and a very hard sell after the reception of this season. A studio would insist the tone and structure change, and for once I would agree.
Loved it - seems to me that Season 4 is pioneering "epic" comedy with its structure and that's just fine with me...
[quote]What is known is that critically it was a failure, and creatively it has received a lot of blowback. Getting another season together will most likely not happen.
Wrong. So very wrong. Plus, while recognizing its bit as good, fans are loving this season.
People forget that the storytelling of the first 3 seasons of AD on network TV was very different for those times and most people watched the other TV shows.
It took many years for audiences to catch up and enjoy AD. The same will happen with the groundbreaking season 4.
I watched Buster episode again last night. The bit with Buster stuffing Lucille's clothes to make a doll and making her "breakfast" was hilarious and incredibly cringe worthy.
In the end, I really enjoyed it and am glad they made it.
I actually prefer this season over season 3, which I think was their weakest. I never enjoyed any of the Rita/ Mr. F stuff, or the Iraq subplot.
I loved it when Buster thought it was a video game when they made him a drone pilot...
I'm guessing Gob is the top and Tony Wonder is the bottom. Yes?
Tony Wonder was shaving his legs and wearing toneail polish to play the "bottom half" of the legs in the sawing in half trick, so I think he was indeed the bottom.
I finished the season and like others have said, there are some great paybacks for earlier bits. I am thinking in particular about the George Michael living sitation toward the end. I still don't know if that's the best way to structure a TV series but it is what it is. I hope they can do another season and get everyone together this time.
What were your favorite episodes? I liked the Lucille and Buster episodes the best.
Lucille, Maeby, Buster, and the 2nd Gob and Tobias episodes were the best.
The Maeby, Lucille, Gob , Buster and first George Michael episodes are my favorite.
Did George Michael get Marta pregnant?
"Make me cry!" " You're a terrible mother."
"I'm here! I'm queer! And now I'm over here!"
R211, I also liked this variation:
"I'm here! I'm queer! And now I'm in a chair!"
Not even close to being funny.
I know of two friends who binge watched the 4th season.
One friend loved it, the other said he hated it and that it was "boring and confusing".
Out of curiosity I asked each what some of their favorite TV shows were.
The guy who loved it likes: Louie, Breaking Bad, Parks and Recreation.
The guy who hated it likes: Breaking Bad, The Big Bang Theory and Revolution.
Anyone with a pulse should like Breaking Bad...
I'm loving the homoeroticism of this season, especially the incestuous undertones.
Michael getting into the shower with George Michael and commenting that they're twins and to 'name one thing about us that is different' (which feels vaguely like he's talking about their cocks since he says it as he hops into a naked shower with his son).
I hope Bateman got to tap Cera's ass at least once during AD.
Ooh, I just got why Herbert Love's campaign manager was always holding a cigarette.
And that's why AD, even in this weaker Season 4, is still better than almost anything else out there.
I just finished binge watching. I thought it was amazing and a great season. I love the way it all comes together at the end. It was brilliant. Kudos. The two standout episodes for me were both Tobias-centric, but I enjoyed them all.
I loved all of season 4, more than any of the other seasons in fact. Amazing how they fit the Byzantine storyline together like an intricate 3D jigsaw puzzle. I'm going to watch it again to pick up on some of the little things I may have missed the first time around. Initially I didn't recognize Portia de Rossi at all and actually believed that they'd hired a different actress to play her role. She looked more like herself once she cropped her hair short, however.
The GOB/Tony Wonder relationship was funny but I didn't think much of it having any real meaning because the Narrator said something like "they had feelings for each other that neither had ever felt before...it was friendship" and the whole gay sex thing was passed off more as an act that the characters were willing to do only because it offered them the opportunity to fuck themselves (since they were wearing masks of the other person). But then I was listening to the Mitch Hurwitz interview on NPR and he said that one of the characters seemed to be discovering that he may in fact be gay, so that got my hopes up that GOB and Tony may continue their relationship in the next season and/or movie.
Did anyone else think that P-Hound looks like an Asian version of Cameron from Ferris Bueller's Day Off?
I slogged through them all, and I agree with whoever said that there was too much Ron Howard. It was like he was reading you a story in some of the episodes.
Maeby is both beautiful and unusual looking.
I was a late bloomer with this show. Caught it from the beginning on Netflix. I actually preferred binging on Season 4 than the previous seasons. Loved the way the fourth season was structured to reveal the story in pieces from different character perspectives.
Is it coming back for a 5th season?