STOCKHOLM - Hundreds of youths set fire to cars and attacked police and rescue services in suburbs of Stockholm Tuesday night in Sweden's worst disorder in years.
A police station in the Jakobsberg area in the northwest of the city was attacked, two schools were damaged and an arts and crafts center was set ablaze, despite a call for calm from Prime Minister Fredrik Reinfeldt.
It was the third night of unrest, mainly in suburbs where many immigrants live.
The riots, in one of Europe's richest capitals, have shocked a country that prides itself on a reputation for social justice, and fuelled a debate about how Sweden is coping with both youth unemployment and an influx of immigrants.
link to rest of article--
That's what you get, Sweden, for being so tolerant and welcoming. Send them back from whence they came.
Another failure for austerity.
[quote]It was the third night of unrest, mainly in suburbs where many immigrants live.
Yep. That multiculturalism for ya.
So by "youths", they actually mean poor young Muslim men who are not assimilating very well? I don't get that about some immigrants. They relocate to a Western country, then get all pissy because it's a different culture and they want it to be the way it was back home.
Sweden's going to take a right turn after this.
R2 is so funny. What austerity in Sweden? You really don't know what the fuck you're talking about.
See the link for a more intelligent perspective. And, the aim is integration, not assimilation.
Apparently the immigrants have not learned from the Swedish how fucking cures every woe, except the fabled Swedish depressive disorder.
Assimilate, Muhmad! Get your groove on, Fatima!
[quote]They relocate to a Western country, then get all pissy because it's a different culture and they want it to be the way it was back home.
They get all pissy because no one will give them a job. Muslims in the US have assimilated successfully.
These immigrants should go back to their shithole third world countries.
The aim is to get more people to do the jobs Swedes don't want to do and get more warm bodies to pay taxes for their awesome welfare system. This was an unintended consequence. Hopefully these assholes will assimilate or at least their children will.
Because R4 their goal is to remake the world in the image of 3rd world Islamic barbarism.
Multiculturalism and political correctness will destroy Europe. Mark my words.
[quote]Multiculturalism and political correctness will destroy Europe. Mark my words.
Can we mark them as a tattoo across your skinhead?
R10, so you're saying they want the muslims to do all the crappy jobs that the Swedes won't do? Kinda like we do here in Norway, only here it's the Swedes doing all the crappy jobs that Norwegians don't want to do.
Western Europe is so phony. They invite these people in, but then hold them at arms-length and wonder why things aren't so great.
I'll probably get flack for this, but I believe that sovereign nations have the final say on who should be allowed to live within their borders. If these countries don't want Muslims moving in then STOP allowing them in! It's really simple.
But the talking out of both sides of their mouths must stop as it's not helping anyone.
The rioters' goal is to gang-rape Prince Carl Philip.
A Muslim with a machete just murdered a British man (thought to possibly be a soldier) in South London.
[quote]So by "youths", they actually mean poor young Muslim men who are not assimilating very well? I don't get that about some immigrants. They relocate to a Western country, then get all pissy because it's a different culture and they want it to be the way it was back home.
You sum it up well, R4.
They don't mention the M-word once in that article. Chilling.
R4 is spot-on.
I heard the immigrants got angry because they couldn't understand the instructions on how to put together ikea furniture
[quote]They don't mention the M-word once in that article. Chilling.
The goal of PC is the death of western civilization.
This is about integration, not islam.
There aren't riots in Denmark or Norway. People care about how immigrants are integrated and making sure not to put them all in the same places, and ship them off to towns with broken schools and few jobs (which is the problem in this Swedish small town). That's bad integration, of course youth will riot.
Also, they rioted because police killed an old man in his home. That's unusual for Scandinavian police, and people actually care about it.
Stop making this about islam and how multiculturalism is the reason. I grew up in a very rich county and all the muslims I knew there were normal and functioning, not rioting or radicalized. The new generation of muslim kids growing up who are properly integrated are not as radical as their parents by far. That's the result you get with GOOD integration. Shoving all immigrants into the same poor towns and thus making 'ghettos' will make different results.
But I guess it's easier to believe all muslims are savages? Simple minds.
[quote]They don't mention the M-word once in that article. Chilling.
They wouldn't dare. They just tip-toe around it.
Well said, R22.
"There aren't riots in Denmark or Norway."
Are they protesting Princess Victoria's coming accession to the throne? They must want one of the other prettier children to inherit.
[quote]The new generation of muslim kids growing up who are properly integrated are not as radical as their parents by far.
Mrs Tsarnaev, what brings you to datalounge today?
Right, r22. That's why Jewish teachers in Swedish schools are advised to keep their Jewishness a secret. That's why Orthodox Rabbis are abused on the streets, even people trying to run one over with a car. Yes, the Juslims are so very well assimilated. And the ones who aren't assimilated? It's all the Swedes fault.
[quote]making sure not to put them all in the same places, and ship them off to towns with broken schools and few jobs
What do you mean by shipped off, R22? Do you think they're rounded up with a lasso, put on a train and forcibly moved away from the Swedes?
R28, you use one American terrorist as an example to prove that Norwegian and Danish integration doesn't work? How dumb are you?
Underground Volvo has EVERYTHING! Women in body-length fishnet stockings, midget-tossing, a herring bar, Juslims, orange drag queens dressed as cops . . .
Wait, so the Swedish give thousands of people asylum from poverty and war in their beautiful country and then these same immigrants (or their children) burn down buildings because they're unhappy and somehow their unhappiness is Sweden's fault?
I don't get it.
I agree, R14. It's like inviting someone to your home, and then being a completely rude, standoffish asshole when they arrive. And worse, even being the same way towards people who've lived in your home for years or were born there.
Either don't say "come over" or don't be an asshole.
These riots didn't come out of nowhere, neither are they a result of culture or whatever. Stockholm is an extremely segregated city with some parts that are doing really well and some parts that are very much on the perifery in every way. I not saying they are justified, but as much as the kids are wrong, so have they been marginalised by society. We're all in this life together.
R30, do you know anything about integration? At least in Norway, the counties make sure not to put all immigrants in the same towns to make sure they'll be properly integrated and won't end up becoming ghettos.
[quote]It's like inviting someone to your home, and then being a completely rude, standoffish asshole when they arrive.
You just described most Swedish dinner parties. They do it to everyone, including themselves.
For all the pro-Islamic scum posting here, explain why immigrants from the rest of the world - China, Korea, Mexico, etc. aren't doing this shit.
Yes, R35. Sweden doesn't do well with integration. That's the reason these types of youth riots aren't happening in Norway and Denmark. Because they know how to integrate immigrants properly. Swedish politicians has gotten a lot of criticism for not doing anything about the fact that immigrants end up in poor towns and form ghettos. If immigrants are to be integrated successfully and adapt to the country's culture, they need to be sent to different municipalities, and not all end up in the same poor shithole. The schools are broken, there are no jobs. The politicians are supposed to send money to fix the schools, not let them rot.
They're just pissed about having to assemble all of their cheap furniture with an Allen wrench.
R38, Asians are seen as nothing more than funny-faced white people in America. Harmless and non-threatening.
But to hear people like you tell it, La Raza and the Mexicans are about to start a new Civil War with the states. So who knows who's right.
[quote][R30], do you know anything about integration? At least in Norway, the counties make sure not to put all immigrants in the same towns to make sure they'll be properly integrated and won't end up becoming ghettos.
I don't understand. They were "put" in towns? When they immigrated why didn't they move in with the general populace? If these "people" aren't the problem, then why does this violence occur in ghettos of them?
Don't glower at me, pumpkin, or I'll have you back in No-electricity-stan by sunset!
Notice how r41 just totally ignored the question and threw in a projection about anyone who would dare to point out the obvious?
So the point remains. Why aren't other immigrants around the world doing this - Immigrants who aren't associated with this fundamentalist religion?
R42, It's unlikely Sweden has no say in where newly-arrived poor immigrants live (at least until they're able to secure their own housing), so it stands to reason that Sweden may in fact be "directing" these immigrants to particular locales that have since become "ghettos."
[quote]La Raza and the Mexicans are about to start a new Civil War with the states.
That will be pretty easy to defuse, just blast some mariachi music and the Mexicans will drop their guns and start dancing happily.
R42, the government makes sure new immigrants are sent to different municipalities/communes, depending on who has the capacity to take them in and how many they can take in.
[quote][R42], It's unlikely Sweden has no say in where newly-arrived poor immigrants live (at least until they're able to secure their own housing), so it stands to reason that Sweden may in fact be "directing" these immigrants to particular locales that have since become "ghettos."
So, Sweden supplies immigrants with free housing?
Is that true?
The sad thing is that someone like me, who could appreciate and love Swedish culture, would probably not be allowed in. You must have a backward fundie cultural background to satisfy the "enlightened" impulses of PC government types.
I don't know if that's true, R48. But many native Swedes do live in social housing, so it wouldn't surprise me at all if newly-arriving, poor immigrants did as well.
Oh, and R42, "If these "people" aren't the problem, then why does this violence occur in ghettos of them?" People are affected by their environment (that's pretty much the essence of socialist philosophy, which the Scandinavian social democracies is based on).
If they live in poor, broken towns with other immigrants who can't go to proper schools, learn the language and culture properly by living with Swedes, or get jobs, what do you think happens? Do you think they'll integrate well? Of course not, criminal activity will increase, there'll be a lot of angry jobless youths, etc.
Sweden has a serious segregation problem and unwilling politicans to fix it. While Denmark and Norway spreads the immigrants to make sure they'll integrate well.
[quote]I don't know if that's true, [R48].
Then how could you say they've been "put" there, if you don't know.
On the DL, when people slam Fundamentalist Christians in the US for their anti-gay bigotry or regressive politics, there is a general consensus that these criticisms are perfectly fine and justified.
However, when Muslims in Europe get the same treatment for the problems they cause, there is an outpouring of anger and people rush to defend them.
Why the double standard? This is a legitimate question, shouldn't all religious fundamentalists receive the same treatment?
r51, answer the question in r44.
[quote]I heard the immigrants got angry because they couldn't understand the instructions on how to put together ikea furniture
Now THIS I believe...!
R51 could you explain to me why there is segregation in Sweden? How are Muslims "put" into ghettos in Sweden?
I didn't say that, R52.
[quote]Muslims in the US have assimilated successfully.
That's why they don't ever set off bombs in Boston.
R53, this particular story is not about islam, it was not a story about muslims forcing their beliefs down other people's throats, it's about integration, as has been explained.
[quote]However, when Muslims in Europe get the same treatment for the problems they cause, there is an outpouring of anger and people rush to defend them. Why the double standard?
It's about resenting that which is most familiar to you and identifying with "the other." It's self-loathing and masochistic. Such is the core of the PC mindset. They are really sick twisted people. They're they kind of people who as kids would have turned their jewish parents in to the Nazis because they didn't buy them the toy they wanted.
[quote]This is about integration, not islam.
It should be the responsibility of the immigrant to assimilate. All of this bending over backwards to make muslims feel welcome is bullshit. its Sweden. if they don't like it, they should move back to where they came from.
you can coddle them and give them everything they want but when the goal is remaking the world as an Islamic state it won't matter.
[quote]Shoving all immigrants into the same poor towns and thus making 'ghettos' will make different results.
So we should have them all living in palaces to make sure they don't riot?
They make their own ghettos.
It's true in States. There's a public housing office near my local bus stop and I see black women in burkas going through there as a large majority of the clients (presumably Somalis). I almost never see white folks there (as clients), nor black women without their hair covered, just African muslim women applicants.
(FWIW employees wear ID's on lanyards, so it's possible to recognize their status).
No, pc idiot at r59. It is about Islam! That vile "religion" is exactly what prevents them from integrating in the first place. When will idiots like you understand that????
[quote]They make their own ghettos.
Yes, let's be sure to blame the victims. Poor people are poor because they're lazy, right, R62? Any other idiotic and completely false GOP talking points you'd like to push?
R49, I don't think you'd like it here. We really don't want you, anyway.
Sorry, R52, another pot-stirrer said "put".
You're the one who avoided answering R38. You said this:
[quote]It's unlikely Sweden has no say in where newly-arrived poor immigrants live (at least until they're able to secure their own housing), so it stands to reason that Sweden may in fact be "directing" these immigrants to particular locales that have since become "ghettos."
So tell me, does Sweden place Muslim immigrants away from others (immigrants and natives) when they arrive in Sweden?
Please answer this time rather than avoiding the question like you did before.
[quote]Yes, let's be sure to blame the victims. Poor people are poor because they're lazy, right, [R62]? Any other idiotic and completely false GOP talking points you'd like to push?
R62 never said people are poor because they're lazy. They're all your words.
The victims, r64? The victims are the people whose property has been destroyed. The criminals are the people who destroyed the property.
Sweden also has a serious racism problem, which is what set this off. The cops shot an 69 year old man, shouting out the Swedish words for ape and nigger.
And since the Swedish cops are equal-opportunity haters, this could be a mix of Somalians, Kosovars, Afghanis, Iraqis, Iranians, Bosnians, Rwandans, anyone from a failed state, and not necessarily Muslim. (If there are refugees anywhere in the world, the Swedish government takes them in). But they're all animals to the Swedes.
Surprised this didn't happen sooner. Maybe they'll try not to isolate their immigrant communities in suburban ghettos any more.
Muslims are evil but invading Iraq under false pretenses and killing over 100,000 Muslim civilians in that nation is A-OK with most Americans, right?
R56 and R62. The politicans has to make sure to spread the immigrants into different municipalities who have the capacity for them, so they won't end up in poor towns where they won't integrate well. This is how integration works; the government has to make sure such segregation don't occur by cooperating with the muncipalities.
R61 "It should be the responsibility of the immigrant to assimilate" I don't think anyone of you understand. It's not that easy. The government has to make sure people integrate well by NOT becoming poor by ending up in broken schools and high unemployment towns. They have to be sent to towns where there is a capacity to take them, where there are jobs and housing.
R64, "That vile "religion" is exactly what prevents them from integrating in the first place." That's simply not true. In Norway especially, when the children of immigrant parents grow up being educated on a good public school, which is free in that country by the way, and thus learn the language and the culture and actually get a future, they DO become integrated and a lot less religious than their parents. This is true for Norway and Denmark.
In Stockholm, immigrants without resouces are always placed in areas deemed not desirable by the commmon population. These area are mostly rentals for the have-nots, while the desirable areas have almost all been turned into co-ops for the haves.
[quote]Muslims are evil but invading Iraq under false pretenses and killing over 100,000 Muslim civilians in that nation is A-OK with most Americans, right? Hypocrites!
When did anyone on this thread say they supported the war in Iraq, R71?
Thanks for just inserting crap into the thread instead of arguing, 471. I opposed the Iraq invasion. And I think that the rioters in Sweden should be held responsible for their crimes. And I think that some Dataloungers are fucking nuts to excuse any crime committed by someone who might possibly be an immigrant Muslim.
[quote]In Stockholm, immigrants without resouces are always placed in areas deemed not desirable by the commmon population. These area are mostly rentals for the have-nots, while the desirable areas have almost all been turned into co-ops for the haves.
[quote]Muslims are evil but invading Iraq under false pretenses and killing over 100,000 Muslim civilians in that nation is A-OK with most Americans, right?
Right! We're all fervent supporters of Bush and Cheney-Halliburton and their war.
R74, I think he/she is making that point because people in this thread think muslims are inherently evil. Osama bin Laden just hated America for being free (like all the US politicans claimed), it couldn't possibly have anything to do with over 50 years of US interference in the muslim countries down there.
It's the same with this. It's the muslims who are evil, it couldn't possibly be that they're frustrated youth (and not all of them are muslim, by the way) who live in poor towns where they have no opportunities with education and jobs, thus increasing criminal actvitiy. No, it's because they're just evil.
While actually, in Denmark and Norway, where they spread the immigrants, so that they can live in municipalities who have the capacity for them, so they can get education and job opportunities (thus not resorting to criminal activity) and futures, the youth turn out properly integrated, less religious than their parents.
None of you understand the effects of poverty, unemployment and other environmental factors on people. According to you, people are just evil. But in these social democracies, it's the essence of socialist thought that poor environmental factors will give bad results. That's why education is considered a human right.
Seriously, R77? You need a LINK to believe that immigrants are pushed into remote "Million Programme" housing while Swedes have a lock on rent-controlled waterfront apartments?
[quote]None of you understand the effects of poverty, unemployment and other environmental factors on people. According to you, people are just evil
Crap. A big pile of crap.
Sweden welcomed refugees from war-torn countries, including Bosniaks and Somalis. Sweden was not obliged in any way to do that. Sweden was not a participant in any of those wars. Three days of rioting is no way to repay Sweden's generosity.
Well, of course, they were rioting. They were denied their right to waterfront property. Who can blame them?
These riots started, by the way, because the police shot and killed a 69-year-old man. Not an excuse but it gives some context. Not that the shits writing on this thread are interested in broader issues or anything like that.
[quote]The Bosniaks, or less commonly Bosniacs, (Bosnian: Bošnjaci pronounced [bɔːˈʃɲaːtsi]; singular masculine: Bošnjak, feminine: Bošnjakinja) are a South Slavic ethnic group living mainly in Bosnia and Herzegovina along with a native minority present in other countries of the Balkan Peninsula; especially in the Sandžak region of Serbia and Montenegro (where Bosniaks form a regional majority), and in Croatia. Bosniaks are typically characterized by their historic tie to the Bosnian historical region, . . .
more at link
"Sweden was not a participant in any of those wars."
No, and this isn't to excuse anything, but Sweden's foreign minister, Carld Bildt, is a rather shady character who was involved in propaganda for the Iraq war.
[quote] They get all pissy because no one will give them a job. Muslims in the US have assimilated successfully.
Really? The men involved in 9/11 and the Boston Bombers didn't assimilate successfully
R80, your link said that program ended in 1974.
could it just be that everyone's e wore off after eurovison?
the comedown can be a bitch... :(
R88, 9/11 was a joint US/UK/Israeli military operation designed to frame Muslims.
Seriously, R79? Denmark and Norway?
Have you forgotten what happened over a cartoon in Denmark?
"The aim is to get more people to do the jobs Swedes don't want to do"
Then they should have recruited Mexicans. They WORK.
I agree that the pc, bending-over-backwards thing will be the downfall of many countries. Sociopaths just take advantage of your bleeding hearts. They don't want to live BESIDE you. They want to crowd you OUT. So they can snatch themselves a nice fluffy green country.
Archie Bunker III
[quote]In Stockholm, immigrants without resouces are always placed in areas deemed not desirable by the commmon population. These area are mostly rentals for the have-nots, while the desirable areas have almost all been turned into co-ops for the haves
Again, is the solution to put them into the desirable areas? What planet are you living on?
R83, the man that was shot was wielding a machete over a woman. He wouldn't stop. That's why he was shot.
The youth movement is whining "did he have to be shot"? Maybe he could've been shot more effectively so he wasn't killed, but he wasn't innocent.
And it is NOT a justification for burning cars.
No country can allow so much immigration of people who have no income, no job access, and little education. Their children are born into their poverty, and they blame the system that let them in.
Unless a country like Sweden is prepared to open bank accounts for poorer immigrants and bring them into the middle class, this is a lose-lose proposition.
[quote]A Muslim with a machete just murdered a British man (thought to possibly be a soldier) in South London.
Oh, yeah, so every Muslim does that. Would you like to go through the number of stabbings and slayings that have happened over the last 30 years by native Britons? Come on now. This is Freeper talk. It's like saying that since blacks make up a huge portion of the prison population, they're naturally violent and should be sent back to Africa.
You think the London riots were Muslim youth? It was chav trash.
What you're doing is dangerous, and this is what leads to events like the Holocaust. The Right loves scapegoating foreigners. They're doing it in France.
For a comparison, look at how well Mexican immigrants do in the United States - they work shitty jobs for people who often don't respect them. The absolutely live in ghettos and the government hasn't made an effort to kiss their asses and move them into the best parts of town. Yet they don't threaten violence and riot.
[quote]The youth movement is whining "did he have to be shot"? Maybe he could've been shot more effectively so he wasn't killed, but he wasn't innocent.
Brits do this all the time. When someone breaks into your home, you can stand trial for shooting the perp.
Dearest r96, try to learn a little about the concept of proportion.
Afterward, see if you can delve into the massively difficult task of understanding the difference between a rule and its exception.
R92, oh, please. A video about the whole "islamisation" fear perpetrated by the far right-wingers. There's no such thing going on in Norway and Denmark.
Socialism is about giving opportunity for education and jobs to prevent the effects of poverty and crime, and it's working, the immigrant kids growing up with those available are integrated just fine and become less religious. That's reality.
Sweden on the other hand doesn't integrate their immigrants, they have no good education or jobs in those poor small towns, hence criminal activity increases, they don't become well integrated into Swedish culture.
There are problems with youth; gangs, crime and violence. It's not a fairyland, R97.
Perhaps Pippi Longstocking could slap some sense into these people.
R96 warns about the Holocaust immediately after referring to people as "trash."
Anyone on DataLounge, defending mass Muslim immigration, ought to be sent to live in one of these ghettos, that were - to paraphrase: "set up by Swedish government to segregate Muslims", and stay there until they regain their sanity.
Maybe Sweden should get a brain and ship these people back to where they come from.
"Multiculturalism and political correctness will destroy Europe. Mark my words."
It will not destroy it, but it not be the same. Low birth rates among the natives, plus massive immigration will make it unrecognizable.
r100 chimes in with the lying relativist propaganda again. Answer the fucking question in r38.
Also, as someone pointed out. Assimilation should be the responsibility of the immigrant who has been given the benefit of living in a civilized society. That means abandoning backward culture and embracing Swedish values.
[quote]Sweden on the other hand doesn't integrate their immigrants, they have no good education or jobs in those poor small towns, hence criminal activity increases, they don't become well integrated into Swedish culture.
You know, there are a lot of small towns without jobs that don't have a lot of criminal activity. But by all means, continue to blame the country that let these people move there to escape the shitholes they came from.
Why don't they have some kind of one-strike rule where if you're an immigrant and you commit a crime, then you get deported right back to the shithole you came from?
Common sense. If they're not going to respect their new country, throw them out.
R108 you are comparing apples to oranges, and those towns have problems of their own which don't make the headlines.
That said, there is some legitimate frustration with what appears to be a lack of gratitude towards host countries.
I'm also quite certain that we dont have all the information--about this latest incident, and the antecedents.
That's racist R109.
"Yet they don't threaten violence and riot."
If I saw a bunch of 5 foot Mexicans rioting (with all their fauxhawks and gelled hair), my first thought would probably be, "That's adorable!" before I hightailed it out of there.
Stop calling them Juslims! JEWS are NOT doing this shit, it's MUSLIMS!
Here's the UK horror story from MUSLIMS today. I'm gonna be sick.
R100 is a classic -- pontificating about something he does not understand.
I am a Swede, and I can tell you that there are many immigrants who are well integrated and speak Swedish rather than English.
You're blaming an entire country? One that gives free Swedish lessons? Sweden takes in more amnesty immigrants than any country in Europe.
The problems in Sweden go beyond immigration and race. The education system is weak, youth unemployment is high, and like many countries with strong social welfare but trying to compete economically, the new politics is to lower taxes (with tax breaks for corportations that lay off workers) while spending is kept under control.
Immigrants are eligible for job training and Swedish education but that will not eliminate generational poverty. This problem is not limited to Sweden ... it exists in the US, France and the UK, and it certainly is coming to Norway
This is not the government's fault.
I assume we are talking about asylum seekers who got residence permit in Sweden. They get all this: free housing, free schools, free medical care, monthly allowances for their numerous children, unemployment allowance for unlimited time if they can't find job. All on taxpayers money.
In countries like Somalia there are 38% rate of literacy. They come to Sweden from Somalia or Afghanistan etc. They get free language education on taxpayers money. Then they expect to find a job just like that? If they don't get, it's racism. There are a lot of native young, educated Swedes who can't find a job either, because the economics in Europe is bad.
Now, a policeman make a mistake and immigrants are furious. Why don't they go back to their own country to protest the society and policeforces there? I'm sure things are not perfect in Africa or Iraq or Afghanistan. They don't protest there, they run away, in stead of building their own country.
We don't have that kind of mistrust on policemen/firemen/society and these fucks come here to throw stones on people who only do their jobs.
The immigrants are the worst racists themselves. Female Swedes are whores to them and there is unproportionally huge number of rapes amongst them. They don't like our Western culture any more we like theirs. The Swedes need to close the borders, asap.
This is an awful rant, but I'm really angry.
I hope the white rightists in the UK riot and burn every fucking mosque down after what was done today. LA nig nags rioted cause of worthless Rodney King, Europe's Muslims riot cause of fellow worthless Muslim. There is gonna be major violence in western countries soon. The civilized world will finally wake up to the islamists and their medevil thoughts to take over the world. Stop them and stop pandering to them.
Fuck off, r116.
Thank you R115.
[quote]It will not destroy it, but it not be the same. Low birth rates among the natives, plus massive immigration will make it unrecognizable.
Unrecognizable or resembling Mali = destruction
[quote] In Stockholm, immigrants without resouces are always placed in areas deemed not desirable by the commmon population. These area are mostly rentals for the have-nots, while the desirable areas have almost all been turned into co-ops for the haves.
So R73, are the rich likewise "placed" in smart co-ops in Ostermalm? Or is it somehow surprising that poor people tend to live in poorer neighborhoods and rich people in richer neighborhoods? And the solution is to buy poor immigrant Muslims multimillion dollar apartments with harbor views?
R115 is right. Unfortunately, some people will refuse to understand until it's too late.
[quote]youth unemployment is high
In such a case, shouldn't there be less immigration, R114?
"Stop calling them Juslims! JEWS are NOT doing this shit"
I read that the do-gooder Jewish organizations, the "Nevah again!" groups- obsessed with the oppressed- were the ones that brought all the Somalians to the U.S.
No one has yet to answer the question R119 and others have asked.
Muslims are being "placed"? Please.
r121 - wrong, the do-gooder Jews aren't bringing in Somalis. It's the Catholics/Xtians and Evangelicals because their numbers are dwindling. Jews do not CONVERT.
You're lying your ass off 123. It's the PC types (who love to call everyone "racist") who are responsible for the open borders.
Where did I say anything about "converting", #123? I said I read that the holocaustophobic Jews seized upon the Somalian cause and found some kind of kinship with their plight. Fostering their entrance into the U.S.
r124 since Jews are flocking to Israel from Sweden due to attacks on them, and having been there since the year 1200 how are the Jews bringing the scumbags in?
The self-proclaimed Truth Fairy is a bigot and that's the truth.
r127 you are linking to wikipedia which, in your article states that Israel saved Ethiopian JEWS from slaughter in Ethiopia. You are not making sense. So what? Israel saved Ethiopian Jews from the Muslim slaughterers. And?
This seems appropriate: This is a gay forum and I will F&F anyone who supports Muslim reign of terror. I suggest others do the same.
The only time I'll side with Islamists is against the PC trash we have here. I wish we could ship all of you to your imagined Islamic paradise so that they could chop your heads off.
It's one thing to be a brainwashed fundie, but those who know better and still apologize for and side with them? Pure evil.
Visions of our future.
I agree R131.
R122, jfc. Government is supposed to cooperate with municipalities to spread the immigrants to different municipalities that has the capacity to take them in, where they have education and enough jobs for them. If not, they end up too many in poor towns with cheap houses and broken schools and no jobs. I'm Norwegian and have lived in Sweden, and other places, and I read about immigration in the papers all the time. Because in these social democracies people actually care about properly integrating immigrants. Segregation is supposed to be stopped by the government. And it is, in Norway and Denmark. These riots have nothing to do with islam. That town has been fucked up and broken for a long time, besides the youths were angry about the old man who was killed by cops (NOT something that happens in these countries), who apparently called him racist slurs, too.
There is no "islamisation" in these countries. It's a fabricated right-wing lie born out of fear. In Norway kids of immigrants are integrated well and are less religious than their parents, because that's what happens when they get access to a good, free education and have futures. They don't resort to crime, and they learn and adapt the culture through education.
I hate humans.
F&F for you, R135.
[quote]There is no "islamisation" in these countries. It's a fabricated right-wing lie born out of fear.
Go to London, England. You'll soon see sense.
Who's you favorite female on "Knots Landing", R136?
R137, yeah, the same country with all the chavs shouting for jobs, and with the English Defense League and all the nazis. England is fucked up politically and economically, Norway wasn't even touched by the recession and is the most peaceful country on earth.
[quote]Since Jews are flocking to Israel from Sweden due to attacks on them, and having been there since the year 1200 how are the Jews bringing the scumbags in?
A Jewish immigrant to Sweden named David Schwarz was the leading proponent of multiculturalism in Sweden in the 1960s.
Gee, the 1960's when Ted Kennedy also put in the multicultural lottery in the USA. And? r140 you're grasping at straws.
R122, the answer is R73 is distorting the truth, of course.
It's expensive for anyone to live in Stockholm these days. It is reported to be fastest growing city in terms of cost to live there.
There is public housing built in Husby and credit given to lower cost apartments in certain cases, but not just Husby.
But to say this is segregation is absurd. There are lower income white Swedes there as well.
People who expect Sweden to be redistributing all income in the socialism of myth are the ones with distorted expectations.
Generations of immigrants who have more than they had before but aren't wealthier Swedes now are discontent, and they are using this incident to lash out, forgetting that the man shot was about to hack a woman to death.
Segregation 'widespread' for Swedish immigrants
A study released on Thursday by Statistics Sweden (SCB) reports widespread segregation in the fields of education, housing, employment and politics.
The report, released on International Migration Day, illuminates how pronounced the differences in living conditions are between native Swedes and the country’s immigrant populations, particularly those born in Africa and Asia.
"We have seen that people born in these countries are well behind those born in the EU or other Nordic countries. The differences can be seen in education, the job market, and living arrangements," SCB’s Lotta Persson told The Local.
"I was surprised at how widespread segregation was in Sweden," Persson added.
R141, you asked a question and I answered it. A Jewish man named David Schwarz was the father of the Swedish Multiculturalism movement. That is an easily demonstrated fact whether you like it or not.
It's always the north part of a city where trouble lies.
Sweden doesn't owe these people anything, first off. Second, they shouldn't even be in Sweden. Third, Jews have had a heavy hand in pushing open borders on European and dispersion European populations. The thinking is that these non-white populations will distract white people away from Jews therefore Jews won't be threatened again.
I see the Sweden Democrats and True Finns have arrived. They make the Tea Party look like the Black Panthers.
r146 / r140 - I don't even have to trolldar you. That theory is full of holes but Stormfront will accept you. Except of course, you're gay.
The guy blaming Jews for the Muslims in Europe is cuckoo for cocoa puffs. Reminds me of Hitler, always blame "da Joos"
Must every well-off country now become a mish-mash of every other country? What would be the point of that? Is it so wrong for countries which are more or less ethnically-based to maintain their identity?
What has happened to europe, which for the past 500 years was the main source of immigration and whose people spread around the world to establish the wealthiest, most stable and democratic countries, and now has a negative population growth rate?
R97 Are you crazy? Don't you know how violent mexican and latino people are?
r135 is par of the problem and what brought Europe to its current state.
[quote]Sweden doesn't owe these people anything, first off.
Exactly. They were being nice enough to let these assholes have an opportunity for a better life, and instead they want to act like animals. Send them back to their shitholes that they came from.
Name-calling is a pretty sad excuse for debate, r152. You got nothin. And trust me, most of the people you're defending would prefer you were dead.
R155, no. Norway has no problems with immigrants, because they're integrated correctly. When they have access to free education, and thus learn the language and adapt to the culture properly, and have enough jobs, there's less crime. It's politically and economically corrupt countries like England that is full of riots, unemployment, nazis, etc.
R156. This is what we will have to deal with when all of these beige savages are granted citizenship during this reform.
Karma, though, for the Brits.
Not so much the Swedes.
Three words: guest worker programs
You don't see countries like Dubai or Saudi Arabia giving citizenship to anyone who works there and spawns a child. They sign people up to work for a certain period of time and when that time period is up they are sent back home. Everyone understands this, especially the foreign workers. They know they won't get citizenship and they don't care; they're guest workers and that's fine with them.
That should be the way it is in every country. We need workers, you need a job. We don't need citizens, you won't be a citizen. Here's a contract, sign it or don't.
[quote]The guy blaming Jews for the Muslims in Europe is cuckoo for cocoa puffs. Reminds me of Hitler, always blame "da Joos"
What an ass you are! You sound like a Nazi propagandist yourself - smearing people for stating simple facts that you don't want to hear.
David Schwarz made it his life's work to open up Sweden to immigrants from Third World nations. He was a crusader who wrote several books on the subject. He worked hand-in-glove with the late Swedish Prime Minister Olof Palme in the late '60s and 70s to incorporate multiculturalism into Swedish society. This is neither a "theory" nor a canard. It is a simple piece of Swedish history. If you really cared about being truthful you would acknowledge it.
(Incidentally, Schwarz himself was notorious for calling his opponents anti-semites to cow them into silence. It's an old trick and it's losing its power.)
R164, the original question about Jewish involvement in Swedish multiculturalism asked in this thread was, "How are the Jews bringing the scumbags in?"
The answer was, "A Jewish immigrant named David Schwarz is the father of Swedish multiculturalism."
The only person who said "da joos" were responsible for flooding Europe with Muslims was the poster who asked the original question about Sweden then scoffed at the answer as though it were fictional and anti-semitic.
R166 He was just giving one example. Jewish populations in European civilizations are strongly in favor of dramatically more immigration or open borders. Mark Zuckerburg, founder of Facebook, is leading the charge in the US for increased immigration. Atleast half the names known to be involved in his Compete America organization are Jewish. There are countless more examples. There is a large Jewish presence responsible for the demographic change in the West.
What r162 said. Most of the people immigrating to Canada nowadays keep dual citizenship anyway. They're mostly just trying to cash in on benefits - health care, welfare, EI, pensions etc.
It's the first-world hygiene and functioning indoor-plumbing that they can't deal with.
Drives 'em all nuts.
It's because Ireland didn't send Jedward to Eurovision, isn't it?
[quote] Sweden has a serious segregation problem and unwilling politicans to fix it. While Denmark and Norway spreads the immigrants to make sure they'll integrate well.
Yes, that's why Oslo has violent Muslim criminal gangs from Pakistan and Albania and a skyrocketing rape problem. Because those Muslim immigrants are soooo well integrated into Norwegian culture.
So who are these immigrants who are rioting? Finns? Latvians?
R171, I'm Norwegian and you have no idea what you're talking about.
I'm Norwegian and you have no idea what you're talking about.
Sorry, hon. You're the clueless denier.
As Norway moves into summer, gang-related violence is on the rise in the capital. Tension is so high between Oslo’s rival gangs, police warn, that armed battles can break out at any time.
Police worry that Oslo’s gang culture has become more widespread and more complex. Newspaper Aftenposten reported on Tuesday that gang battles motivated by revenge, territory and drug-related profits are on the increase.
Police confiscated a total of 22 firearms linked to organized crime last year, and 21 so far this year. Many weapons are believed to be in circulation.
Since January last year, there have been more than 11 shootings on the streets of Oslo. At least six were linked to criminal gangs, according to police calculations. Gang members have carried out both murders and attempted murders, and “none of these crimes has been solved, which raises the level of tension level,” Einar Aas, head of the Oslo Police District’s organized crime unit, told Aftenposten.
Aas said that profits from drug sales form the basis for the gangs’ existence. “Gangs are the most potent, organized criminals we are working against,” he said, adding that battles are increasingly being fought over market share and sales territory.
[bold] Many former recruits and runners for the old gangs have formed new gangs in recent years, some with links to Albanian criminals.[/bold] All told, gangs in Oslo are now believed capable of mobilizing more than 100 people on each side.
Police reapplying pressure
[bold] There are parallels now to the situation in 2006, when tensions between the Pakistani-dominated “Young Guns” and “B-Gang” (B-gjengen) led to an open gun battle during broad daylight at Oslo’s popular Aker Brygge complex on the waterfront.[/bold] Hundreds of shocked passers-by witnessed the incident, which was part of a string of related shootings around the capital.
Many key gang members were arrested, and others fled the country. Norway’s Ministry of Justice granted NOK 6 million yearly to a major police operation tackling gang violence. Police actions included 24-hour surveillance of gang members, and clamping down even on minor offenses. They later also used dialogue for intelligence-gathering. The operation ceased in 2011.
[bold] Gang violence exploded again last year,[/bold] however, and Oslo police now have an extra NOK 5 million (USD 860,000) in funding this year for surveillance and investigation of gangs. They are working closely with other police districts, particularly Romerike, where some key gang members have their base.
Oslo is turning into a shithole. I have family there. Last visited 4 years ago and noticed that the streets were dirty and there were a lot of homeless people. It seems like there were more immigrants than Norwegians. They were flooded with Pakistani immigrants in the 90s and I don't think it ever let up. But now apparently the Albanians are taking over. They are crazy motherfuckers.
ABBA has been dangling the promise of reunion tour for too long. Enough is enough!
[quote]Oslo is turning into a shithole.
All of Europe is turning into a shithole thanks to all these nasty third-worlders.