I find it hard to believe that this story could be true. It's hard to believe that a mother like Claris' mother exist. That has to be [italic]extreme[/italic] mental illness to rape and molest your own daughter and to fight with your daughter because you think your husband who happens to be the father of your daughter likes her more romantically than he likes you.
Overall, I think there's a lot of positive messages in the book, but it is such a travesty of poverty, that I cannot, absolutely cannot believe that it's true.
And you must be Mrs. Rogers.
Talk to any social worker, they'll tell you much worse.
Well, oddly Sapphire is an old black lesbian that wrote the book, so I don't understand why she wrote about the lesbian pedo-incest thing, except for shock value.
FWIW, I worked in the public schools for 20 years, many in black schools and most AA women love their children, even those in extreme poverty. But there is untreated mental illness in the community, so a lot of stuff is true, just not the lesbian pedo-incest. Step-father incest, although I did not see or hear anything about that is most likely true as in all communities, regardless of color but most of the baby mamas were alone when I worked there.
I met an eleven year old girl who had been HIV positive for some years because her father had decided that his eight year old daughter would be a safe person with whom to have sex without a condom. She was safe for him, but not safe FROM him. (Her name also happened to be Precious, which was deeply disturbing -- seemed like no coincidence.) He was in prison, and his wife, the girl's mother, couldn't wait to get him back.
(The kid was in and out of the mother's custody -- ultimately taken away when the father got out of jail and did reunite with the mother.)
I'm sure there are actually worse stories where girls like Precious never even get to the school with the helpful lesbian teacher. Much worse.
Why don't you just focus on the WORK and not the POLITICS, op?
Her name wasn't Precious. It was Push.
I grew up in the hood, and you wouldn't believe some of the sick stories. My neighbor lady had a live in boyfriend, and made her living taking in foster kids. She took in a foster daughter around the age of five. Her boyfriend raped the foster daughter when she was 10. The neighbor lady blamed the foster daughter for seducing him, and said that she was hyper sexual because she was raped by her birth father when she was really young (before the age of five obviously). The authorities allowed the girl to stay in the home, as long as the boyfriend moved out, but the lady hates the girl with a passion. I have heard her call her a slut repeatedly. She thinks that she 'stole her man'. I can't even imagine the baggage that this girl will grow up with....how can she ever trust anyone?
I don't know maybe you might want to ask some of the parents that let their kids spend the night at Michael Jackson's house.
[quote]I grew up in the hood, and you wouldn't believe some of the sick stories
I did too, in the South, were it seems like everything is even more twisted. But not that these kind of sick situations are limited to ghettos. These incidents shape family dynamics for generations...abuse has a way of trickling down family trees in the form of mental illness and bad relationships.
R8, "neighbor lady"?
I find it totally unrealistic. No mama is as classy and pretty as Precious' was.
The world is a fucked up place. It says Hello.
Um, it happens in all types of families. The only difference is that the state intervenes when it's poor black people so you're more likely to think it only happens there.
A friend of mine was horribly molested by her grandparents and her father. Nobody ever helped her because her father was rich.
Another friend went for what now we would call playdates to her little friend's house. Her firend's dad was a respected dentist and that fucker had rigged up the playroom in his house so that he could pump gas into it and then he and some of his rich friends would molest the kids and film it. My poor friend was in child porn and was one of the first kids to ever have to testify on the stand about it.
And yes, these experiences ruined these women's lives and their lives suck today. Drugs, terrible abusive relationships and depression.
I thought her name was Sapphire.
It's not just black families in the "hood." I know a woman (white) who had two daughters. Her husband wouldn't stop moleting them and went to prison. When he got out, the mother welcomed him home and put her two molested kids up for adoption. One of them became a stripper and moved the other sister in with her and a "client." One night, the client went crazy, shot both girls in the head, and went to prison. At the funeral, the adopted parents were treated to the sight of the "biological mother" crying and carrying and drawing attention to herself. Disgusting. It's not a racial thing at all. It's a "social class" thing.
Just spend a day in DSS (child protective services) court in any county and you will hear stories that will make your head spin. And the saddest part is that, if you stick around long enough, you see that the victims so often grow up to be perpetrators or bystanders. Incredibly depressing.
I'm sure it happens but something that extreme is relatively rare, and I'm little annoyed that it gave the impression that that's what all lower-working-class/underclass families are.
[quote] I'm little annoyed that it gave the impression that that's what all lower-working-class/underclass families are
Then you're annoyed for no reason. Unless you believe that most people think you can have your house transported over the rainbow by a tornado because they saw it on television.
Is it true that the actress playing Precious was actually Halle Berry in a fat suit?
I just came across a girl named 'Preshes'. Dumbass mother probably couldn't even spell it.
I grew up in Harlem, the same neighborhood that the Precious character grew up in, and I thought the movie was completely over-the-top and contrived.
It's not that you don't see any of these problems in inner-city neighborhoods (because you obviously do), it's just that you don't typically see ALL of these problems happen to ONE girl (rape, sexual molestation, HIV, obesity, teen pregnancy and to top it off, she was dark-skinned in the 80s).
It just seemed to me like the lady who wrote the novel is a bit of a hack who has no idea how to tell a story with complexity and nuance. It's no wonder Tyler Perry was attracted to this project and decided to co-produce it because this kind of story-telling is right up his alley.
It did seem over the top to me. It was very extreme; teenage girl has two incest babies and gets AIDS from her father, in addition to being beaten up and treated like shit by her mother. That's pretty extreme. But I'm sure that's what Sapphire was going for. She wanted to rub people's faces in it.
In the book Precious also has sex with her mother ("Suck it, lick me Precious"). Was that in the movie? I seem to recall M'onique dreamily imploring her daughter "Precious...come take care of Mommy." Did she mean sexually? I guess that was the implication.
Sapphire did a sequel to "Precious" called "The Kid." The kid is Precious's boy child. His mother is dead from AIDS and he's a child molester. But he's also trying to be a dancer, so he's not that bad. He's had such a hard life; of course he would be a sexual predator, who wouldn't be? And he's trying to make something of himself by being a dancer, so he's redeeming himself. Or something like that. That's what I heard the plot was. Some critic called it "tragedy porn."
A lot of people want to take swings at the movie. I had no trouble believing it. There are people like this on Maury. It's the best movie I've seen is awhile. The movie went by so fast that I looked up how long the movie was supposed to be to confirm I spent over an hour watching it. It felt like 30 minutes. Lee Daniels did an amazing job.
I didn't find i realistic, but I don't know when I laughed so hard!
[quote]and to top it off, she was dark-skinned in the 80s).
Was it harder to be dark-skinned in the 80s than today?
I found it to be realistic. There are such parents among all ethnic groups and yes, even among the rich. It's not only a problem of the poor but the rich have the resources to get away with it.
It's a great movie.
It's just too MUCH. Precious is obese, fugly, illiterate, fucked and impregnated by her father, has two incest babies, one of them with Down Syndrome, has a lazy pig of a mother who physically and emotionally abuses her and makes Precious eat her pussy. To top it all off, she gets AIDS. It's too fucking much.
A lot of African American commentators were appalled by "Precious." A lot of white people loved it, though. It was a movie about blacks for white people.
I grew up in an Hillbilly neighborhood and saw most of these things from poor white trash, but as another poster said ALL of them occuring to ONE person is what makes it over the top...... I would have found it more believeable if the mother was just a morbidly obese drunk who is bedridden and required physical care by her daughter rather than being a child molester demanding lesbian sex from her daughter.
OP, you live a very sheltered life.
Yes, it's a realistic story, also a bit of a rip-off of The Bluest Eye.
The developmentally delay was not done well. Precious was too high functioning to spring forth from mama's loins.
I've worked in human services for over 20 years and it's devastating to see what happens in families where everyone has IQs in the 80s/90s. It sickens me because there's very little hope. An addict can quit the drugs and improve functioning, a schizophrenic can go on meds and improve functioning. What real hope is there for a developmentally delayed person who doesn't have an amazingly supportive foster parent or community?
It breaks my heart.
So r32, Are you defining congenital stupidity?
Well, the extremity worked in its favor. Would the movie and book have made such waves if Precious had only been yelled at and beaten by her mother and everything else was left out?
Infant and child rape is a fairly common occurrence in meth culture.
Well, it's story and it's not necessarily supposed to be realistic, though stuff like that happens in all ethnicities and economic classes
R26, people are more tolerant today of other individuals. What a lot of white people don't get is the prejudice inside the black community. People are judged by the shade of their skin. It's like this in Asia too, btw. India and Pakistan. Lighter skin is praised throughout the world. Darker skin equates to your ancestors working outside in the fields and/or other menial jobs.
A lot of blacks are unaware of the prejudices inside the white community. Many cultural clashing differences. It's all the same everywhere when dealing with humans.