It's a lot more complicated than that, OP. It's how the person feels about himself/herself, regardless of how objectively beautiful they are. My opinion is that anyone who gets a tattoo must have some fairly serious problems in terms of self-worth, insecurity, sexuality, etc.
I think he's almost perfect looking. Why did he have to ruin it?
[quote]You know I'm right.
I can honestly say no, I dont know you're right.
I feel like to most DLers the word "tattoo" doesn't actually mean a tattoo. Whenever you read the word "tattoo" you imagine a full sleeve or something similarly drastic.
It's probably true - those of us that are average, or maybe just not conventionally attractive, likely had to find other ways to compete with the automatically pretty - maybe we had to become funny, or muscular, or really good at our jobs. Maybe we needed an edge, or a way to express ourselves that hopefully got us laid.
Not only are you right, it goes even further than you state.
When the ugly get tats and piercings they look even uglier. A beauty will survive a few body degradations but the ugly will not.
I know that a gay bar is not representative of life, but the next time you're in one take a good look around. The guys who have funky hairstyles, tats, piercings, funky glasses, etc. are usually plain, nerdy, or fat. Or just otherwise kind of unattractive. The really good looking guys are just .... good looking. They don't need to accessorize to create visual interest. They ARE visual interest.
Lots of plain-looking guys take to working out and bulking up. And that works for them. It makes them physically appealing. Lots of good-looking men work out too but there's not as much of a need to "improve" their appeal.
Tommy Lee?!?!? WTF? Who ARE you people???
I can think of numerous beautiful people who have tattoos, including some spectacularly unfortunate tattoos. What they all have in common is that they are as dumb as a box of hair
I wonder what Angelina Jolie's giant cross tattoo looks like these days.
You're right. I don't even wear any jewelry/watch/earring/bracelet/dick piercing/etc.
No OP you are wrong - except for gorgeous Michael Lucas, most gay or straight porn star and you will find tattoos.
Good looking hunky men like Charles Dera, Topher DiMaggio, Diesel Washington and even Matthew Rush all have tattoos.
I pretty heartily disagree. There are plenty of gorgeous, attractive people with tattoos models, actors, etc. - their tattoos might not be particularly extensive (might just be a little one on their ankle or arm) but they're there.
I think the error is in assuming that getting a tattoo has anything to do with trying to be attractive or get attention. For a lot of people, it's just a means of self-expression, or a personal reminder, or something fun or silly they did when they were high or drunk, on a whim. There are lots of reasons to get a tattoo - and lots and lots of beautiful people out there. Don't really see much connection between getting or not getting a tattoo, and whether you're physically attractive or not.
r23 has tattoos.
How old are you OP? Most of the hot young guys I know have at least one tattoo. You would never know until they wear a tank top or show it to you. Tattoos are like jewelry for the young people today, they are not really associated with any lifestyle or level of intelligence.
Some might say the young today, as a lot, are entirely stupid, shallow and self-absorbed. Some might even be able to provide supporting statistics. So your observations does not mean all that much. To some.
So your observations do not mean all that much. To some.
Because it's been at least 3 days since DL's pearl-clutching Aunt Pittypats had their regularly-scheduled MARY!!!! Meltdown about tattoos.
OP clearly has not been to South Beach lately.
Acres and acres of toned, taut skin blemished with a schizophrenic word salad of Chinese letters, religious blasphemy, Latin, barbed wires, ankhs, Lovecraftian monsters, police forensics-quality portraits, comic book characters, dead pets, angel wings, bat wings, European automaker logos, the outlines of states, quotations from Dr. King, quotations from Dr. Dre, quotations from Dr. Evil, internet memes from 2004, and pearls of wisdom from the Japanese (at least that's what they were told; real translation is "I"m like a roach motel, but for HPV.")
Ricky Martin is one of the most beautiful looking men on the planet and ever born.
And he has tattoos. I wish he had none. But his beauty and gorgeousness is indisputable. Even around age 40 today.
sorry, are indisputable
The ones who get them seem to like them. So I guess it's a "type".
I would instantly regret it, and feel like a dumb, pretentious fool.
That's where you be wrong.
It depends on the person and the tattoo. It looks sexy on some people and really tacky on others.
I can't believe someone here chose Tommy Lee as an example of a beautiful person.
I mean different strokes, sure, but Tommy fucking Lee? Not David Beckham or Tom Hardy or Adam Levine or Ryan Phillipe or Tyrese Gibson or Jude Law or Eric Dane or Chris Evans or Ryan Gosling or Jesse Metcalfe but TOMMY FUCKING LEE?
God I hate the people here.
I've actually thought about this a lot, and I think the reason a lot of young people get tattoos is the same reason why they start smoking and drinking: Just to show that they are adults who are in control of their bodies. For the most part, young children do not smoke or drink or get tattoos, so at least some teenagers and young adults get into those things because it makes them feel "grown up."
It's sad, because ultimately, getting a tattoo is a really childish way to show that you're an adult, smoking is really bad for you, and drinking can also be really bad depending on how much of it you do.
Having said all of that, I have no explanation as to why a previously un-tattooed 40-year-old would suddenly decide to get one.
[quote]people who are scared of tattoos are big pussies or old.
Couldn't have said it better myself. I'm 48, so I'm elderg4y, but love tattoos. Adam Levine is a perfect example of a beautiful man with tattoos.
If you don't care for tattoos, I'm fine with that, just say so. To say that everyone that has one is ugly, well that makes you look dumb.
I don't find Asians attractive and wouldn't sleep with one. That being said, I wouldn't call Asians ugly just not my preference.
Umm on second thought William Hung is pretty homely.
As I read R37's post I heard Sarah Palin's voice saying it.
I think most people who get tattoos regret them at a later date.
Especially people like Beckham and Adam Levine who have a massive number of tattoos covering most of their body.
But even men with prominent tattoos on torso, arms etc will regret them later.
They most certainly DO get them. But I do agree they don't need them.
R22, why are all your reference points porn stars? Gross.
I absolutely agree with OP. I think tattoos detract from the natural beauty and line of the male body. that's why the men with perfect symmetry, beautiful skin -- and brains, leave well enough alone.
Some of you obviously don't get out much.
R37, I am 41 and got my first tattoo two years ago. I was a model for years, and couldn't get one because I would lose work. I do regret it already though. It doesn't look good with sundresses or strappy tanks in the summer. I am past my prime anyway, so I guess it doesn't matter.
Wait till these twenty-somethings that are tattooed within an inch of their lives reach middle-age, when their bodies start "going south." They're gonna look like shit... Just sayin'
Oh really, R39? Please explain what you think is Palinesque about my post.
[quote]Good looking hunky men like Charles Dera, Topher DiMaggio, Diesel Washington and even Matthew Rush all have tattoos.
These days a lot of people have one or two small, unobtrusive tattoos. I'm not wild about them as a look but it doesn't make me question the person's mental health.
Entire sleeves and huge tats make me think something is seriously wrong. Add or substitute piercings and I feel the same way.
I may be old but I'm not wrong.
Wow Angelina was gorgeous.
Lots of people get tattoos both attractive and not attractive so the OP's premise makes no sense.
Johnny Depp, Colin Firth, The Rock, Bradley Cooper & Tom Hardy are just a few of obviously beautiful people who have tattoos,
Im guessing angelina's cross looks like a plus sign after the tucks. Apparently the cross was covering a worse tatto.
Just like last month, I will maintain that tattoos appeal to poor people. It's an indulgence that can't be stolen, lost, or taken.
And while a brand signifies possessions like slaves and cattle in my eyes, these people ignore the history and reserve an exception because they picked their brand.
Rich people with tattoos? I don't know any, but that doesn't mean much.
Oh please [R51]. All old people are wrong.
I thought your died Dr Joyce Brothers [R56]?
That's an interesting explanation R56 but I think it has more to do with our culture and the way we "purchase" identity through brands, the brands we chose coming to define us. Tattooing is sort of that an extension of that, with the person saying "I need something that will ALWAYS define me". In reality tattooing is just as phony as Nike shoes or Prada bags, because life is not stable or consistant. You can easily replace your old wardrobe but you can't easily remove your tattoos. It's a poor, superficial and narcissistic reaction to the instability of life.
I just joined a gym in a more upscale area and I've been amazed by the number of young executive types I see who have tattoos on their backs or arms, places that are obviously covered by their suits. These are, for the most part, very attractive men. There's not really a stigma about tattoos among the younger generation.
I've seen som good looking people ruin their looks with wierd hair cuts, tattoos and piercings. All just to look "cool" or to hide their appearance and to stop others from making a big deal of their beauty.
David Beckham is not an example of beautiful person. The OP is correct.
r53, Brad Cooper does NOT have tattoos. What a moron you are.
I'd like to see an actual study made of this. Since I can think of tons of ugly or plain people who don't have tattoos.
But I do get the 'elegance' idea.
I think some beautiful people get them, but it definitely doesn't enhance their beauty.
If anything, it brings it down a notch.
I like bare skin, and tattoos make me think I'm licking magic marker.
Sleeves are the absolute worst, and will likely be one of the more common regrets.
OP needs to learn that it's okay for him not to like tattoos but what other people choose to do with their bodies is none of his business.
R56's theory makes a lot of sense to me.
[quote]OP needs to learn that it's okay for him not to like tattoos but what other people choose to do with their bodies is none of his business.
Understanding human behavior is everyone's business.
"I think it has more to do with our culture and the way we 'purchase' identity through brands, the brands we chose coming to define us. Tattooing is sort of that an extension of that, with the person saying 'I need something that will ALWAYS define me.'"
I think you're on to something. Many of the people who need to "define" themselves through tattoos may have a poor self image and therefore feel, rightly or wrongly, that they can't define themselves through their personality, talents, or accomplishments. This in addition to people who are simply insecure about their looks.
I believe the most common reason for getting a tattoo is being friends with a tattoo artist and wanting to support their art.
[quote]I like bare skin, and tattoos make me think I'm licking magic marker.
lol! Now that's a way to put it.
In my modest opinion, the less is more.
But everybody wants to define themselves. We do it through clothes, music, friends, cars. What makes the person who gets a tattoo take the next step? I think the economic theory makes sense because a tattoo works for someone who can't afford to spend a lot of money on clothes or cars to distinguish themselves.
For many of us who have tattoos, it's a simple matter of body adornment. I don't see a tattoo as being any different from wearing nice jewelry, dressing in attractive clothing, having an attractive hairstyle, coloring my hair and manicuring my nails.
I don't care about pleasing anyone who doesn't like tattoos because I don't associate with conservative people. I certainly don't value the opinion of conservative people when it comes to style or fashion.
[quote] I don't see a tattoo as being any different from wearing nice jewelry, dressing in attractive clothing, having an attractive hairstyle, coloring my hair and manicuring my nails.
All those other things are removable or changeable.
Great point r82
Also r81 I don't think it has anything to do with being "conservative". I'm far from conservative but agree with many posters that from a purely aesthetic viewpoint tattoos often detract from a persons natural beauty rather than enhance it. And yes many marginal and unattractive people use them as a distraction from their other shortcomings. This seems to be an increasing trend in the case of facial hair as well, which masks the faces of a lot of unfortunate or just ok looking people.
And before people start posting pics of beautiful men who have facial hair, I know they exist and this is not what I am saying, just that many people use it, as they do tattoos, as a camouflage tactic
Facial hair can definitely be a camo tactic. Usually is I'd say. Some people undoubtedly look better with it, even if they're good looking.
R84 (and to a certain extent, r83), these points veer away from OP's orignal fallacious statement. Yes, there are unattractive people with tattoos and facial hair and in some of those cases the tattoo is used as a distraction from the wearer's physical appearance. That doesn't really support the case that attractive people don't have tattoos and facial hair though. Many unattractive women wear make up to make themselves more attractive, but that doesn't mean attractive women don't use make up. Many people workout to develop a great body because they feel their face isn't up to par. that doesn't mean only uggos work out.
R82, that is the point. The tattoo is permanent. A commitment. People who get tattoos aren't looking for an expression that they can swap out like they're iphone case. The expression involved extends beyond the actual tattoo to the fact that the fact that the body art is actually permanent.
Why put a bumper sticker on a Ferrari?
People who aren't too bad: Timberlake, Phillippe. I still don't like them but if you must, small and unobtrusive.