I think the Joker was quite possibly the best supervillain of all time. He was extremely smart, and so good with words that it was entertaining to watch him. Also, when placed next to the damaged and depressed Bruce Wayne, he was a lot more fun. I find myself rooting for the Joker more than I root for Bruce Wayne. Even though, technically, he is supposed to be the good guy.
OP, do you have brain damage?
He's not my favourite, though he seems like a decent enough guy. I still prefer Nadal, or any of the other top players.
The makeup sucked and they overlooked the fact the character doesn't wear makeup, his skin is bleached or damaged by chemicals. The performance saved it, but the makeup and overt terrorist mode of the character sucked. It is a children's film, after all.
There's only one Joker and he belongs to Cesar Romero.
op=the Heath Ledger troll off his meds again.
Cue the irrational twats with agendas.
this means you r1 through r5.
No, R6, it's actually the Heath Ledger Troll OP who is the twat with an agenda. He's also completely insane.
Anywho, The Joker is not my favorite villain, nor is he the best villain ever - not by a long shot.
I think Dr. No and some of the other Bond villains are fun. The Wicked Witch of the West, of course, she's always a high ranking villain and may be my favorite of all time.
I did not like Heath Ledger in the role as The Joker.
Jack Nicholson was a better Joker.
I'm a Riddler guy myself.
I prefer Chandell (and his brother Harry)
"the Heath Ledger troll off his meds again."
What makes you think he was ever on meds? The HLT has been doing this for months.
Seriously, HLT, get help before this obsession kills everything that's good in your life.
Yeah OP, do you have brain damage? What a stupid post you've written. Is this part of some 5th grade essay exam?
Is Javier the HLT?
The answer is no, he was not a great actor Javi. He was pretty shit in most stuff including the Batman movie & that was not entirely his fault. Nolan had to rework the thing because of HL's death as it was already DONE by his death, more HL had to be in it, including cut scenes to it was a huge mess of a picture.
IMHO, possibly the best "villian" ever might have been Richard Burton in 1984 IIRC.
I shoot my friends in the face.
[quote]The makeup sucked and they overlooked the fact the character doesn't wear makeup, his skin is bleached or damaged by chemicals.
What the fuck are you talking about??!
[quote]The performance saved it, but the makeup and overt terrorist mode of the character sucked.
Did you ever read the comic book?!
[quote]It is a children's film, after all.
No it's not.
[quote]Jack Nicholson was a better Joker.
The consensus among the devotees of the comic is that Ledger was not only the best Joker of all-time, he now owns the role. Mark Hamill owns the animated role.
The Joker is NOTHING compared to Lola Lasagna played by the great Ethel Merman.
[quote]The consensus among the devotees of the comic is that Ledger was not only the best Joker of all-time, he now owns the role. Mark Hamill owns the animated role.
Yes. Because Heath Ledger DIED. That's the only reason. There have been multiple actors to play the Joker and they've ALL been considered definitive in their time. Are you 12 years old for Christ's sake?
[quote] Did you ever read the comic book?!
Have you? I don't think so. The Joker has had multiple incarnations in the comic book since 1940.
Explaining these things to children is a joke in itself.
THe person with the best understanding of the Joker was Tim Burton. Batman was driven because his parents were murdered in cold blood. (which in burton's vision was the small time crook who would be the Joker). The joker created the batman, the batman created the joker.
I did not like Heath Ledger in his role as "Joker".
I am partial to Louie the Lilac.
I hate the Dark Knight series. Nolan has sucked all the fun out of Batman. It's a comic book, for chrissakes! Comics are supposed to be fun. At least the Marvel franchise understands the far fetched realities their characters inhabit. I've loved Batman all my life but refuse to sit through the most recent piece of shit Batman.
Let's face it-Nolan wanted Oscars and he got them. His films were Oscar bait. Burton got audience appeal. Nolan's films wallow in misery and deadly seriousness. Burton's are campy and fun but still very dark.
People seem to forget how wildly successful and popular Tim Burton's Batman movies were. Probably more of an event than these Dark Knight movies. And at least Tim Burton's Batman movies aren't synonymous with actors overdosing and theater shootings.
Dzhokhar is cute, let's face it.
James Holmes is a cutie. Squeee!
[quote]Yes. Because Heath Ledger DIED. That's the only reason.
Nope. The comic book community is made up of purists. They couldn't give a shit if Ledger lived or died.
[quote]Have you? I don't think so. The Joker has had multiple incarnations in the comic book since 1940.
Yes, I have, and the comment I was responding to consisted of a supposed definitive back story to the character. The character has had multiple back stories, so no, Nolan's version was not incorrect.
[quote]THe person with the best understanding of the Joker was Tim Burton. Batman was driven because his parents were murdered in cold blood. (which in burton's vision was the small time crook who would be the Joker). The joker created the batman, the batman created the joker.
This never happened in the comic book, which is why fans hate Burton with a passion.
[quote]People seem to forget how wildly successful and popular Tim Burton's Batman movies were.
Only the first one. The second was panned (although it was my favorite).
I still say Burton got the tone right, but he took liberties beyond belief. The studio got him to do a sequel by letting him create a 'Tim Burton' film, not a 'Batman'. I think the second film would have done better today.
I was happy back in the late 90s, following the direction the studio was heading intending to restart the franchise. I even wanted Bale. It was great, but it was time to stop. I was tired of walking out of the theater feeling depressed. I also don't buy Bale as the definitive Batman. That voice was ridiculous.
At least audiences can take a darker, social tone in these films now, something "Batman Returns" had, which turned off audiences.
The Joker was excellent in the TV series. That Aussie actor ruined the part in the film.
I've also decided I love Hitler more than Churchill and FDR and Truman! I'm so adorable, don't you think?
There are dozens of great villains in the Batman mythos. They just need to play them straight, not for exaggerated comedy (which is why the Joker worked in both movies) and they'd be fascinating.
When they don't take them seriously, they're absurd, like Schwartzenegger's Mr. Freeze.