This is the guy who single-handedly shortened World War II. It was really sad when he was arrested because he was gay and died as a result. I think this is a really good argument for gay marriage. There are so many gay geniuses out there that could help society why no allow gay marriage?
Alan Turing: The gay genius
by Anonymous | reply 74 | January 27, 2019 4:30 PM |
Overrated I don`t see the appeal.
by Anonymous | reply 1 | May 19, 2013 9:59 PM |
gay people in concentration camps were not allowed to leave because it was against the law to be gay. So why should it be any different for Alan Turing since it was against the law to be gay in Britain?
by Anonymous | reply 2 | May 19, 2013 10:33 PM |
Talk about a guy who was screwed over!
by Anonymous | reply 3 | May 19, 2013 11:01 PM |
Maybe Ron Howard will do the movie. Who do you think they'll cast as his female love interest?
by Anonymous | reply 4 | May 19, 2013 11:02 PM |
Alan Turing invented computers and cryptology (passwords & security), among other things.
Nikola Tesla, also gay, invented modern electric technology (alternating current and all the things it does for us).
Between these two gay men, they pretty much INVENTED modern technological society.
by Anonymous | reply 5 | May 19, 2013 11:18 PM |
I'm reading a biography of Tesla at the moment, r5, "The Wizard" by Marc Seifer, and this author says there is no definitive proof Tesla was indeed gay.
So there's a contrarian view.
by Anonymous | reply 6 | May 20, 2013 12:31 AM |
Most people try to downplay or deny the homosexuality of any historical figures.
by Anonymous | reply 7 | May 20, 2013 1:11 AM |
Well, you were there so I'm sure you'd know ....
by Anonymous | reply 8 | May 20, 2013 1:12 AM |
Abraham Lincoln was gay too.
by Anonymous | reply 9 | May 20, 2013 4:52 AM |
Don't forget that mincing queen William Howard Taft.
by Anonymous | reply 10 | May 20, 2013 4:53 AM |
But Turing was human, and, therefore, mortal.
by Anonymous | reply 11 | May 20, 2013 5:04 AM |
R4. The movie has already been done, Breaking The Code, with Derek Jacobi as Turing and Amanda Root as Patricia Green (the love interest).
It's well worth watching. Much more so than Enigma, which was just lies from start to finish. Fucking annoying how Hollywod has to turn everything into some sort of hero propaganda nonsense.
R5. He also helped Bell Labs with secure speech.
by Anonymous | reply 12 | May 20, 2013 5:04 AM |
So Turing really was bi?
by Anonymous | reply 13 | May 20, 2013 5:18 AM |
-nary.
Correct.
by Anonymous | reply 14 | May 20, 2013 5:21 AM |
Which of his girlfriends did Amanda Root play?
by Anonymous | reply 15 | May 20, 2013 5:25 AM |
Ha!
by Anonymous | reply 16 | May 20, 2013 5:25 AM |
For r5 and r6 from wiki
[quote]He was an elegant, stylish figure in New York City, meticulous in his grooming, clothing
[quote]Tesla never married, claiming that his chastity was very helpful to his scientific abilities
[quote]Tesla, though polite and soft-spoken, did not have any known relationships.
[quote]Tesla could be harsh at times, openly expressing disgust for overweight people, such as when he fired a secretary because of her weight.[206] He was quick to criticize clothing. On several occasions, Tesla directed a subordinate to go home and change her dress.
He would have felt right at home here on the DL,lol. If that last quote doesn't prove he was gay, nothing else will.
by Anonymous | reply 17 | May 20, 2013 6:08 AM |
The Wright Brothers were a gay incest couple. Not the first. Or the last.
by Anonymous | reply 18 | May 20, 2013 6:24 AM |
Turing had some merit, but since he was gay and childless he didn't really care about the future.
by Anonymous | reply 19 | May 20, 2013 8:25 AM |
The Turing story is an amazing and tragic one. It has NOTHING to do with gay marriage.
by Anonymous | reply 20 | May 20, 2013 9:32 AM |
...and the UK is still fighting about gay marriage today. Still no equality.
by Anonymous | reply 21 | May 20, 2013 2:04 PM |
R21 The UK isn't fighting, I think you're confusing England with UK - gay marriage is legal in Scotland, with exactly the same rights and responsibilities as hetero marriage. Earlier today the Church of a Scotland voted to have gay ministers. England is not the UK.
by Anonymous | reply 22 | May 20, 2013 8:32 PM |
We owe almost everything we are as a country and society to a GAY ATHEIST. He saved the Allies in WW2, and founded the entire concept of computing science that lead to the world we live in today.
by Anonymous | reply 23 | June 7, 2013 2:50 PM |
Don't forget gay genius John Maynard Keynes, who saved capitalism, intellectually, from Depression.
And of course, Orville and Wilbur Wright, the gay incest brothers who invented heavier than air flight.
by Anonymous | reply 24 | June 7, 2013 2:55 PM |
And George Eastman, inventor of modern photography, who didn't marry until he was 50 and dead to the gays.
by Anonymous | reply 25 | June 7, 2013 2:56 PM |
This is the first I've heard of the Wrights being incest brothers.
Is there a site where I can go for proof of this?
by Anonymous | reply 26 | June 7, 2013 2:59 PM |
It's news to me too, R26.
Link please.
by Anonymous | reply 27 | June 7, 2013 3:08 PM |
You don't know much about the Wright brothers if you don't know that. It's hardly news. Of course, the heterosexizing machine will not leave them alone rather than admit they were gay.
by Anonymous | reply 28 | June 7, 2013 3:12 PM |
Going to need something other than a book review, r28.
What else you got?
by Anonymous | reply 29 | June 7, 2013 3:18 PM |
Does anyone find the path of OP's logic somewhat frightening?
"Marie Curie was such a smart woman, this is why abortion should stay legal."
by Anonymous | reply 30 | June 7, 2013 4:05 PM |
Alan Turing was persecuted for his sexuality. The lack of equal rights for gay couples/families today is of a piece with the discrimination that Turing faced.
OP expressed himself inelegantly but his point was pretty clear.
by Anonymous | reply 31 | June 7, 2013 4:18 PM |
Waiting for Ralf Hutter to be outed post death too.
by Anonymous | reply 32 | June 8, 2013 2:34 PM |
Benedict Cumberbatch is doing the movie. Keira Knightley may join in as a "woman from a very conservative background who not only forms a complicated relationship with Turing but is there for him until the end" aka his beard.
by Anonymous | reply 33 | June 8, 2013 2:39 PM |
R30, bitch, did you just compare marriage to abortion?
by Anonymous | reply 34 | June 8, 2013 2:45 PM |
The movie is coming out in October. Early press screenings herald reviews. Mixed messages on how much the film will deal with his gay issues.
by Anonymous | reply 35 | July 22, 2014 3:31 AM |
By far the most important relationship in the film will be the one between Turing and his fiancee.
by Anonymous | reply 36 | July 22, 2014 3:34 AM |
What I do not get is why it is STILL widely reported that he committed suicide when it is obvious that the original report was clearly horribly biased and there a absolutely literally ZERO proof that he wanted to hurt himself.
by Anonymous | reply 37 | July 22, 2014 3:36 AM |
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by Anonymous | reply 38 | July 22, 2014 3:39 AM |
It's not just "possible" r38, it's most likely he Didn't. There was absolutely no evidence for it. He had made a todo it's for the next day.
The myth that he committed suicide stems from the coroner's asshole assumption -made merely because he was gay.
The fact that it was accepted do quickly makes me think he was murdered.
by Anonymous | reply 39 | July 22, 2014 3:47 AM |
Why aren't more people talking about this movie?
The Trailer looks fantastic.
by Anonymous | reply 40 | July 22, 2014 1:57 PM |
It looks like the movie is following a fictional storyline about Turing and Joan being accused of being spies with not much about his relationships. The chemical castration and court case weren't included in the script I read.
by Anonymous | reply 41 | July 23, 2014 1:33 AM |
I read that there were different versions of the script going around the finished version has not made the rounds.
by Anonymous | reply 42 | July 23, 2014 9:57 PM |
Can't stand Cumberbitch.
by Anonymous | reply 43 | July 23, 2014 10:03 PM |
"Also my agents will be thrilled, they’ve wanted a clone of me for some time!” added Cumberbatch.
I'm sure that quote upon getting a figure in Madame Tussaud's endeared him to all of his fellow actors.
by Anonymous | reply 44 | July 24, 2014 6:13 AM |
The Wright Brothers were "gay incest brothers?" More likely the posters who brought that rumor up in this thread were gay incest porn fans. Sounds a wee bit wishful and a tad ridiculous. Really, you see some of the silliest shit on this forum.
by Anonymous | reply 45 | July 24, 2014 11:21 AM |
[quote]I'm sure that quote upon getting a figure in Madame Tussaud's endeared him to all of his fellow actors.
It seems innocuous enough- and it's not untrue. He's very popular right now.
He was doing a running tv series (Sherlock) WHILE has been involved with two Large Blockbuster movie series - Star Trek and The Hobbit - the last of which he played 2 different characters in the same movie among various other movie projects.
I wouldn't doubt his agents would love to see him more available.
by Anonymous | reply 46 | July 24, 2014 1:58 PM |
Turing did not invent cryptography. He was a genius, who, along with John Von Neumann, influenced the development of electronic computing.
There is no link between the fact that homosexuality was considered a mental disorder, homosexual sex criminalized in Turing's time, and gay marriage. Turing lived as a gay man, even under the circumstance.
OP is attempting to create a logical link where none exists.
Turing liked fucking young guys - there is zero evidence he wanted to marry one.
by Anonymous | reply 47 | July 24, 2014 2:43 PM |
r47, if Turing had lived in a time and place where marrying and living openly with another man had been a possibility, his life would have been completely different, regardless of whether he or not he would have wanted to marry.
by Anonymous | reply 48 | July 24, 2014 2:50 PM |
R12, Enigma was based on a novel by a writer who specialises in historial fiction based on "what if?" scenarios. It wasn't meant to be "true".
God knows what you'd say if they made a movie of "Fatherland" by Robert Harris.
R28, that article you link to mentions nothing about the Wright brothers being incestuous and it mentions that some attribute to their "oddness" to them being gay - only to dismiss this theory. In fact, the article is an interview with an author who has written a novel about the Wrights, based on the theory that they had Aspergers.
R47 is right.
by Anonymous | reply 49 | July 24, 2014 3:01 PM |
R49 There was s "Fatherland" adaptation, likely on "HBO", a good while ago. Very low-budget, didn't match the book on any level.
R48 That's not the OP's rumination.
by Anonymous | reply 50 | July 24, 2014 3:36 PM |
I for one would go back in time and have sex with Alan Turing.
by Anonymous | reply 51 | July 24, 2014 4:54 PM |
[quote]That's not the OP's rumination.
Yes, it is. The OP says it's a good argument for gay marriage. It is. Had Alan Turing lived in a society where gay relationships were honored and protected rather than stigmatized and punished, he would have likely lived longer and contributed even more to society.
And the argument still holds true imho, whether or not one thinks Turing himself would have married.
by Anonymous | reply 52 | July 24, 2014 5:00 PM |
R49, attributing Asperger's to the Wrights is a ridiculous stretch. Attributing gay incest to them makes a lot more sense, no?
by Anonymous | reply 53 | July 24, 2014 5:16 PM |
The Wrights started a newspaper, not an Asperger's profession. They never married and built a mansion where they could live. After their sister married, Orville never spoke to her again. After Wilbur died of typhoid, within three years Orville sold all their business interests and retired to philanthropy.
by Anonymous | reply 54 | July 24, 2014 5:22 PM |
The Wrights were sportsmen too. Orville was a champion bicyclist.
by Anonymous | reply 55 | July 24, 2014 5:24 PM |
Here are the Wrights. Draw your own conclusions.
by Anonymous | reply 56 | July 24, 2014 5:44 PM |
A candid. It looks like they are both playing pocket pool.
by Anonymous | reply 57 | July 24, 2014 5:44 PM |
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by Anonymous | reply 58 | July 24, 2014 5:48 PM |
1910: Orville surrounded by hotties at his "Flying School" in Alabama
by Anonymous | reply 59 | July 24, 2014 5:54 PM |
The Wright boys were dapper dressers. Loving the shoes on both of them and extra love for those socks!
Both have BDF.
by Anonymous | reply 60 | July 24, 2014 8:15 PM |
Wrong link. Here are the Flying School hotties.
by Anonymous | reply 61 | July 24, 2014 8:35 PM |
Did anyone listen to the Proms on BBC Radio 3 last night? The Pet Shop Boys debuted a rather fantastic long-form orchestral piece based on Turing's life. Featured vocals by Chrissie Hynde. Beautiful.
by Anonymous | reply 62 | July 24, 2014 10:54 PM |
[quote]It seems innocuous enough- and it's not untrue. He's very popular right now.
You're so right.
by Anonymous | reply 63 | July 25, 2014 11:18 PM |
r63, Congrats on finding the one movie that failed— and he still received praise for his portrayal of Assange, from people who knew the man.
You laugh but yes he is popular in the industry.
I'm excited to see this new movie about Turing even though it seems it will focus more on the war games suspect angle. Anything that exposes GLBT history is a good thing. A lot of people don't really know who Alan Turing was and many who do did not know he was gay and how poorly he was treated.
by Anonymous | reply 64 | July 28, 2014 5:22 PM |
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by Anonymous | reply 65 | July 28, 2014 6:00 PM |
[R41], his arrest, court case and castration were in the script I read, and two of the scenes are in the trailers: UK arrest interrogation scene for being gay, and the scene where he looks sick in his bathrobe is from the castration.
It's actually pretty damn good but incredibly sad.
Knightley is Joan Clarke, one of Turing's best friends and his fiancee at one point.
by Anonymous | reply 66 | July 30, 2014 3:49 AM |
Was she knowingly bearding for him? Why'd they get engaged?
by Anonymous | reply 67 | July 30, 2014 6:07 AM |
Or rather, why did she agree to an engagement?
by Anonymous | reply 68 | July 30, 2014 6:08 AM |
[quote] attributing Asperger's to the Wrights is a ridiculous stretch. Attributing gay incest to them makes a lot more sense, no?
No, [R53]. Just no.
by Anonymous | reply 69 | July 30, 2014 6:14 AM |
R31 explained young OP's wording and made it even cloudier.
What does gay marriage have to do with Alan Turing? I can pretty much guarantee you that when Alan met with fellow homosexuals (which was probably rare or just 1:1,) the subject never came up. It continued not coming up in the rest of the 1930's and '40's. The fifties and sixties came and went and it didn't come up. Ditto for the next 30 years.
Now it's the 21st century, and all of a sudden it's a human right, and younger gailings think marriage is what we've always dreamed about and fought for.
by Anonymous | reply 70 | July 30, 2014 7:04 AM |
Speaking of gay geniuses a while back---- Isaac Newton.
Just like Tesla, never married and no known relationship. Was a very weird fellow.
by Anonymous | reply 71 | July 30, 2014 7:55 AM |
I don't know about Newton, but it seems very unlikely that Tesla was gay:
Tesla claimed that his chastity was very helpful to his scientific abilities. He once told a reporter, "Sometimes I feel that by not marrying, I made too great a sacrifice to my work".
Towards the end of his life, he fell in love with a bird:
"I have been feeding pigeons, thousands of them for years. But there was one, a beautiful bird, pure white with light grey tips on its wings; that one was different. It was a female. I had only to wish and call her and she would come flying to me. I loved that pigeon as a man loves a woman, and she loved me. As long as I had her, there was a purpose to my life."
In 1926, he was interviewed and said that women would eventually become the dominant sex:
"This struggle of the human female toward sex equality will end in a new sex order, with the female as superior."
by Anonymous | reply 72 | July 30, 2014 8:32 AM |
[R 67/68]
She didn't know initially. He told her after they were engaged when he decided he couldn't go through with it. They remained close friends though.
by Anonymous | reply 73 | August 17, 2014 4:35 AM |
He was perverted. Into all sorts of lil' boys and shit.
by Anonymous | reply 74 | January 27, 2019 4:30 PM |