Google has millions of dollars,
and this is the best they can come up with?
It reminds me of 90's hotmail.
Outlook.com is very slick. Gmail looks like a flip phone interface.
Hate the redesign, but liked it before.
Quiet! They'll hear you!
Thank you! I'm staying with Yahoo. Gmail is almost as ugly as Craigslist
Hate it. What a mess.
MacMail is pretty good. They keep adding neat features.
However my paradigm mail client is the old Microsoft Entourage for Macintosh.
Naturally it stopped being made.
Google is a group of sociopath who enjoy seeing their users frustrated. Look at the crappy high-school-ish Android interface.
What the fuck does Google+ do? How does Google Voice actually work? None of them are intuitive.
They are all good ideas to start with but always end up half-baked. Someone at Google needs to take shit load of ADD meds.
Gmail is cluttered, and to an occasional user like me, complicated. I can never easily find the places to click for very simple actions!
Switch to Outlook.com ... that's what I did.
I used to use Google Docs too. It's gone WAY down hill. I fucking hate it now.
Google is turning to shit before my very eyes.
I've tried them all, and yes gmail is the worst. The best believe it or not is actually aol mail, as much as I hate to admit it. While its somewhat embarrassing using an aol email address I refuse to switch only for that reason and hope eventually it becomes so out that its actually cool again (no I'm not holding my breath on that).
r11, how do you deal with the spam?
r11 I'm totally with you on this. As much as I cringe when I tell people I have an aol email addr., I've tried hotmail, gmail, yahoo and I really disliked them. Gmail was the worst of them all.
I use my original aol address for the less important stuff as it's filled with non stop spam. The thing I like about gmail is you don't get that.
There was once a time when gmail was invitation only or something no doubt some fake bullshit but it felt good.
Gmail itself is great but the design is horrible.
I was shocked when they unveiled this current monstrosity as the "new and improved" Gmail. It got worse.
The spam filters on aol work pretty well, not perfect as the occasional spam slips through. If you're getting a lot of spam you can adjust the strength of the filter. In any case the user interface more than makes up for it.
Rock on, R11, R13, R14! Nothing beats AOL's layout and everyone who wants to mock us can just suffer with their sucky formats.
happy being a perceived outcast
AOL's email is actually very good.
Gmail is good but I hate that stupid fuck Google+ social networking thing they keep trying to force down my throat. It's really fucking unprivate and the defaults reflect that. I've completely disabled mine but they keep on trying to make me get it and i really seriously resent it.
i fucking hate how my privacy keeps on being violated by these shitty companies (Facebook sucks major as well).
Still have my AOL account but don't use it as much. When I got Gmail, my co-workers told me "welcome to adulthood". Assholes, its fucking email for fuck sakes!
Google sucks period. They took over youtube and now that place is full spam and has the absolute worst search engine.
Brainwashed Gmail users peer-pressuring others who don't have it is like reliving "The Emperor Has No Clothes" fable. Nobody wants to admit they can't see something "only the smart" can supposedly see.
I like Apple stuff because I like being told what to do.
A to the men, OP!
[quote]I was shocked when they unveiled this current monstrosity as the "new and improved" Gmail. It got worse.
It's a LOT worse. I stick with Gmail for the same reasons people stuck with AOL years ago -- everyone has my Gmail address and it's easy to remember (I was lucky and got the equivalent of bobsmith at gmail). But the new design -- particularly the shitty compose window -- and the elimination of Google Reader have me looking for alternatives.
I got bobsmith @ outlook the day that Outlook was introduced. I like the interface but haven't made the big move yet, though it's probably going to happen.
Anyone have any experience with Outlook spam filters? Those are the big reason everyone rushed to Gmail in the first place. If I get one piece of spam a week delivered to my inbox in Gmail, that's a lot. The spam trap catches thousands of pieces of spam.
I love AOL. Only email I have ever had.
Outlook is the best. Gmail is crap.
R13, have you tried the new Outlook.com? It really is pretty sweet.
I work at a large university and they basically forced us last year to switch to the entire Google apps shebang (Gmail, cloud storage, Google calendar, etc), customized to work with our university network. As an integrated app, Gmail is fine but I would never use it a stand alone email interface.
From an admin's point of view, AOL, all of the various Microsoft properties, and yahoo are like dealing with fascists. On one of my client's email lists, in the past 4 weeks these ISPs decided to bounce over 15% of the list for no apparent reason. They offer no explanation. These aren't just run-of-the-mill subscribers, either; almost all of the bounced addresses were people who had double-opted in and been on the list for as long as a decade. Emails to their tech people go unanswered, there is no phone support to call, and their help pages are a joke - if they have any help pages up at all. They close trouble tickets with only vague explanations that are useless in trying to resolve the issue.
R26, why don't you set up your Gmail account to auto-forward to your new Outlook account. This way, the spam filtering that Gmail does will still work but you won't have to use Gmail for your other email.
I've added a link that shows how to set up this type of forwarding.
Also, you might be able to set up Outlook so that if you reply to any email found there the reply-to email account on your reply will be your Gmail account. If people reply to your email their email will go to your Gmail account, which will be forwarded to your Outlook account.
Some people (not me) just use their Gmail account as a backup for their email. They use another email account but forward a copy to Gmail.
I don't really like the new Gmail. I preferred the old one. And I'm not really liking Feedly as a new Google Reader. I liked Google Reader and am not happy with Google that they are getting rid of it. Google is going downhill in my opinion.
You people have really drunk the kook aide when it comes to email services. Do you really believe one email service is "cooler" than the next? You are a Madison Avenue executive's wet dream.
I really liked Google Reader and I'm still not happy it's going away. Feedly has been crashy for me. Sometimes it just won't open up articles. It's annoying. Not sure it's my RSS answer.
FWIW, I get far more crap in my Hotmail account than I.do in my Gmail account.
Have you noticed all youtube accounts have Google+ accounts? Google for awhile and still does asks it's users to change their username to "better reflect themselves" and to give their cellphone numbers so it's "easier to get a forgotten password." Google wants that information to track YOU. They also want it so they have all these seemingly real Google+ accounts. Almost all those Google+ accounts have never been touched by the users. Google+ is an online ghost town that was never inhabited, the buildings were created but no one moved in.
Google also sneakily announced they will have a service like Paypal. Here comes another way Google can get a hold of information on users through their credit cards.
Hotmail is now Outlook... there are still .Hotmail email addresses, but there is no "Hotmail" any more.
You can alias your existing Hotmail email address to an outlook one... so it's easy to switch and convert over.
Google are being taken to the European courts over the privacy issues which you'll know r36.
I hate that they merged youtube and gmail and are trying to get you to use your real name or the one name for all accounts. You have got to be kidding.
I've got Outlook. No spam gets through.
I too use my old, original AOL account because I love the plain, uncluttered page layout. I know, nothing says "I'm almost 50!" like an AOL e-mail address.
Too many spam on gmail.
All of you are talking about Gmail as if it were only a webmail interface. Use the Gmail IMAP server in your Outlook/ Mac OS Mail/ iOS Mail clients, or use the Gmail iOS app: problem solved.
I totally agree with the concensus. Gmail is crappy and I don't enjoy using it at all. I'm still mostly using an old AOL email address for casual and informal emails, but I use a Gmail address on resumes and for professional purposes. I recently created an Outlook account and I really like how clean and simple it is and I hope to eventually migrate all of my emails to it.
Google is fast becoming a cluttered mess of an ecosystem.
Instructions for using Gmail's IMAP server in your email client of choice:
What is so difficult about Gmail?
I don't have trouble using it at all.
I also customized the interface so it looks clean and orderly.
Are the people posting here serious about not knowing how to have their email forwarded? Are you all 90? I use hushmail and trashmail
A volunteer project I am working on wants to use this mess...I recommended that we just use it as a forwarding email.
I will bring up the idea of customizing the interface. How do you do that?
By "customizing" do you mean adding labels to organize stuff? The different themes are crap as they don't handle all the buttons etc for the colors / themes selected. Anything else you can do to customize?
Also searching your various folders / all emails sucks.
In your Gmail inbox, to the far right, there is a "gear" icon. Click on it and select "Settings."
In the Settings, you can customize your email experience. I go through each tab and I turn OFF all of the Google services or features that I don't think I will need.
You can also create "labels/folders" to help you organize mail. You can further customize showing or hiding the labels as well.
Gmail is very powerful and has many functionality that can be complicated and overwhelming. If you don't want to use those features, turn them off and hide them in the settings.
I do turn on some "lab" features because they are cool and useful. For example, I use a lab feature that will allow me to cancel my "sent" email if I do it within 30 seconds.
Thanks, R49. Haven't used the "lab" feature much.
I think a lot of people just like to trash Google. When they're done beating up Apple, the aim for Google. It's a simple web-based email program. There is nothing crappy about it. It's simple and helps you communicate. All of these problems you're having isn't the email, it's the end user.
Now please go ahead and call me every kind of Google shill in the book.
The biggest problem I have with gmail is formatting. I can write an email to a client that looks great. After hitting "send" sometimes the paragraph breaks are removed and it looks like crap.
For important emails, I have to send it to myself first, check the formatting and then forward to the intended recipient.
[quote]What is so difficult about Gmail?
I prefer hotmail for emails with lots of responses. Gmail makes it hard to know who is responding to what when you get past the third or fourth e-mail.
Can we beat up on Amazon next? Their search engine is HORRIBLE! And I can't believe they've actually tricked people into paying for shipping when everything over $25 already has it and anything under you can grab at a fucking gas station.
It is FREE. You get what you pay for. Do you think google should dish out money for people wanting a free service.
Oops, of course you do.
I don't mind Gmail. I have an old Hotmail account that has transitioned to Outlook and I hate it. I find it remedial. Yahoo mail, I rarely use so have no opinion on that one. I don't mind Google products except 1) Chrome is a bit of a resource eating browser 2) I hate the Android interface on tablets/mobile phones.
hotmail is free. it works fine, and is 99.9999% spam free. i can read a ten- or twenty-e-mail string with no problem. again, free.
R55, Gmail displays ads to you that are derived from the content of your email. It is not a charity by any means. Move it along, toots.
Gmail wants me to buy an Acura or a new turntable.
Gmail just recommended a way to increase my sales and an ad for GoToMeeting(R)
Scroll up and read r42/r44 again, morons.
I'm surprised no one has mentioned this yet. Gmail does not allow the creation of folders, unlike Outlook, Yahoo and probably everyone else. They steadfastly refuse to develop folder functions, I think they actually said that people are wrong in the belief that email belongs sorted in folders and it is a paradigm they are trying to break. They think 'conversations' and 'stars' is intuitive and makes more sense. Assholes.
I'm also being spammed to death. Actually, Hotmail was pretty good for a while, I really had very little spam and when I did mailbox cleanups and flagged them as spam they stayed that way. Seems now that they migrated to Outlook anything I had flagged as spam is no longer recognized as such, I checked the other day (first time since the transition) and I had probably 300 spam emails, in the old Hotmail I would have had probably 1/2 dozen or so.
You can create as many folders for your Google account as your litte heart desires in Outlook.
I use three different mail programs, (one for work, one at home..etc). They are all free.
Google has the worst layout and is the LEAST intuitive.
I've used GMail for years now. Spam goes to the Spam folder. The labels aren't a deal breaker and are basically folders anyway. Again, every problem that has been discussed in this thread appears to be issues created by the user and not by GMail. If you're getting spammed and that spam is not going to your spam folder, then you've done something. Take responsibility for what you're doing. When you sign up for something be aware of what boxes that you're checking and not checking.
Folders are called LABELS in Gmail.
I use folders in Yahoo to organize my emails, and I use LABELS in Gmail to organize my emails.
They work the same way. Just different names.
I am really surprised that people would have so much trouble using a simple email service.
I use Labels to organize my emails in Gmail; the problem is that when you label something, it remains in your Inbox as well as appearing under the Label you assigned to it. I want to be able to move shit out of the inbox for storage.
R68, once I move my mail to a label it leaves the in box. Do you have the 'All Mail' folder clicked?
Hmm, no I don't, r69.
In terms of the amount of spam in your inbox, take a look in the mirror. Do you post your email address in forums? Do you sign up on a ton of email lists? At a very basic level, how do you use your email account?
Then, how do you manage the spam that you receive? Do you just delete it? Report it as spam? And do you realise that when you click in those unsubscribe buttons included in spam, you're just telling the spammer you have an active email account?
Gmail isn't mail for everyone any longer. You can't be an idiot and use gmail because they have built so much functionality into it, it has become complex. But, it's just a tool. You can make it look how you want it to look. You can use prioritization, or not. You can use filters, or not. You can use labels, or not. But don't trash gmail because you've chosen not to learn how to use it.
I maintain accounts on all of the various services. I avoid reading yahoo mail on their web interface because they put the relevant part of what I want to see - the actual mail - inside so many boxes of extraneous crap that you can't read it I absolutely hate it when I load my email and get audio or video playing. Yahoo is the myspace of email.
Microsoft being Microsoft has to shove you into their preconceived idea of what they think email should be. And since most of what Microsoft does is playing catch up to where the technology is, they struggle to give you basic functionality.
I don't understand why your labeled email still shows in your in box.
I have labels for different things and emails belong in those labels/folders stay in their designated labels. My inbox only has new email and a few that I keep around just as reminders of things I need to attend to.
I hate Gmail. It's layout is so ugly not very user-friendly. I only use it as a second email for people or things that I don't want to give out my regular email too.
I'm sure there's a setting I need to change somewhere, r73, I just can't figure out where/what it is.
Yes, R72 I use Gmail the same way also. I only keep emails in my inbox that need to be attended to.
The process is: Click on old emails you want to remove from your inbox but save. Then, apply a label. You can create a new label (folder) at that time. Once the label has been applied, click on the "archive" button to move that email out of your inbox and to the folder / label you've defined to save for later.
(Although the fact we have to discuss this is a serious weakness of Gmail as it should be intuitive.)
No one uses webmail. You send the mail to your built in mail client. The interface of the webmail is irrelevant.
I haven't bothered with the settings. I always meant to, but couldn't be bothered. Don't give a shit about things like signatures, but need to tweak it otherwise. I like my mountainous background that changes colour as the day goes on.
[quote]No one uses webmail. You send the mail to your built in mail client. The interface of the webmail is irrelevant.
R78, please see the link at R44 for instructions on setting up your mail client of choice (Outlook, Apple Mail, Entourage, whatever you choose to use) with Gmail's servers.
If you still don't understand, I'm afraid there's very little we can do to help.
I thought webmail was the likes of gmail/hotmail/yahoo plus the aol version of webmail - i.e. you get it on the web without having to go through an isp.
In the olden days when I was on aol, I just got it thru there whenever I signed on. That was right up till 2005. Web 2.0(?) seemed to come right after then or thereabouts with myspace/facebook/youtube and the internet really got good and became even more of a must have for everyone.
[quote]I thought webmail was the likes of gmail/hotmail/yahoo plus the aol version of webmail - i.e. you get it on the web without having to go through an isp.
This is not correct. You don't need to "go through an ISP" to use Gmail's servers with a mail client. You just have to know the server settings.
At one time you could pay to use MSN's and Yahoo!'s POP and IMAP servers as well. No idea if that side of their business is still alive.
R79 I tried that, but it didn't offer gmail as a "client." (I have no idea what a client is, btw.)
Is this person on the Guinness list of Oldest Living People or have they been in prison for the last 25 years? Because nothing else makes sense. Why do you not know how to do this? How have you not needed to do this before? Why is all this information completely foreign to you?
[quote](I have no idea what a client is, btw.)
An email client just means a program such as Outlook or Apple Mail that you use to read and compose email. Surely you use something like that at work.
You wouldn't be choosing Gmail as a "client". Those are instructions on setting up Gmail's servers on your client. So you don't have to use the webmail that everyone seems to hate so much.
I think D a v i d a "I don't know anything" R o c h e l l e is back.
R71, my spam isn't coming from sources I recognize. It's not from places I have done business, and when they are those are easy to unsubscribe to.
The emails look like they are being sent to me but once I look closely, the email address is slightly different. So if my email is email@example.com, it appears to have been sent to firstname.lastname@example.org (notice the slight difference) but somehow it makes it to my box. Gamestop Rewards is the biggest problem spammer, and I do not play ANY video games either online or on a device.
[quote]Once the label has been applied, click on the "archive" button to move that email out of your inbox and to the folder / label you've defined to save for later.
Thank you, r75! I was not archiving stuff after labeling it; thus, it remained in the Inbox. (Though, for the benefit of anyone else who might be having this problem, I must point out that I could not find an actual Archive button, but instead discovered that I need to delete the Inbox label from the email in order to archive it under the new label).
And, ugh, yeah, it's annoying that these processes and settings are so non-intuitive/difficult to find.
r81 I have vaguely heard of POP and IMAP. I should really check what all these things mean. Stuff like LAN settings - local area network one presumes.
When your connection goes out it can be a nightmare. All this tech info is fabulous, I usually find answers to problems by googling tech forums.
r86, So set a fucking rule that marks any message not from someone in your address book as read and sends it directly to trash and another rule that immediately deletes all items in the trash immediately and stop fucking complaining about it. None of this is complicated. This is all common knowledge and has been since email clients were introduced to the public in the early 90s.
Outlook is what used to be hotmail, right? Why is it a client if gmail isn't a client? To me, gmail and hotmail are the same thing: one you get spied on by google, the other microsoft. Is this incorrect?
I'm not trying to be stupid about this. It literally makes no sense to me. Why is Outlook (FKA Hotmail) a client of gmail?
And who decided to use the word "client" to mean e-mail program? That's who you should be mad at.
What is the advantage to not using webmail, btw? And how do I know if I'm using webmail, anyway? I thought hotmail/outlook and gmail were webmail, i.e., mail you access on the web that aren't the company you pay to get online every month.
r90 is a troll. No one is that stupid.
I'm as stupid about this as you are a fucking megacunt, R91.
R90, how old are you?
"Megacunt"sounds like something either a 5th grader or a 48 year old virgin would consider a clever insult, but leaning towards 48 year old virgin who has been hospitalized for the last 2 decades.
I did R89. Stop being a cunt. It keeps coming back.
This is a typical example of technical people providing more complicated solutions than are needed.
If you're unhappy with your email interface, choose a new one. Then send out a broadcast message to your contacts with your new email address and explain to them why you are doing that.
Setup an automatic forward from your old email address to your new address. Keep your old email address open to check for stragglers and again explain to them why you've established a new email address.
r95, if you had set that as a rule, you would not be getting any messages in your inbox from anyone not in your contact list. So, you obviously did not do that which means you're not just a moron, you're also a liar.
[quote]Outlook is what used to be hotmail, right? Why is it a client if gmail isn't a client?... Why is Outlook (FKA Hotmail) a client of gmail?
Outlook is the component of Microsoft Office that handles email, calendaring and contacts. It is Office's email client. You're clearly not an Office user if you don't know this.
You're thinking of Outlook.com, which is what Microsoft has chosen to call what used to be Hotmail and which is not what we're talking about here. But now I see where the confusion lies.
[quote]And who decided to use the word "client" to mean e-mail program? That's who you should be mad at
A client is a piece of computer hardware or software that accesses a service made available by a server (that is, a computer located somewhere else, in very simple beginner's terms). The term applies to all sorts of services beyond email. A web browser is a client that lets you view web pages located on another computer, for example.
You're not just a megacunt, R94 R91 R89 R85 R83, you have serious time management issues. In the time it took you to blow all those cuntfarts at me and R95, you could simply have explained what we were asking about.
Instead, you chose to be a Personality on Parade.
If you worked for me, you would be out of a job tomorrow.
R96, getting a whole new email address isn't the best answer to dissatisfaction with the Gmail web interface. Just use something else to access your email: Outlook, Windows Mail, Apple Mail, etc.
I didn't know what a client was either before reading this. I'm 35, guess it's just never come up. Or maybe I just don't give a shit.
[quote]To me, gmail and hotmail are the same thing: one you get spied on by google, the other microsoft. Is this incorrect?
gmail and Hotmail (now Outlook.com) are email services with web interfaces. They can all be accessed by applications that run on your PC (called 'clients').
You're confused because Outlook is an email client that is part of Microsoft Office. It is distinct from outlook.com, which is an email service. yes, the naming is confusing.
Outlook - email client, that's an application that runs on your PC as part of office. If you don't have Office, you don't have this... and even if you do have Office, you might not have this (the "Home & Student" version doesn't have Outlook).
Outlook.com - formerly Hotmail.com, it's Microsoft's online email service, that has a web page to access your email. Like Gmail, you can also access it from various clients, like Windows Live Mail, Outlook, Thunderbird, and other apps (like the "Mail" app on Windows 8).
And for the record, Google does datamine your email like crazy... Microsoft does not.
R87, the "archive" button is the second-to-left dark box on the tool bar above your email. It's a black box with a down-arrow.
Once you set a label for your email that button is the "archive" button and will move that email from your inbox to the label / folder you've defined.
Thank you, R102, for your help and your graciousness.
can you link two outlook accounts together?
Why do Gmail users love to tell non-Gmail users that they are living in the Stone Age? Especially if Gmail sucks?
It's kind of bizarre that there are people who struggle with something as basic as email.
I was thinking the same thing R107. Email is not complicated, GMail is certainly not complicated. I'm assuming that the people who have problems with it, have problems with all things computer related. It's really not that difficult.
Never used google mail. Have had a yahoo addy for 15+ years. Love it so no need to switch.
Look how upset R97 is getting. It's like she's taking it personally or something. Pass the popcorn, who knew Gmail could be so entertaining!!
R107 R108 Yes, e-mail is [italic]such[/italic] a classy thing over which to feel superior to others.
No one is feeling superior, r111. However, the problems people keep listing with GMail are all not really problems, just user error.
R111 seems really stressed.
R107 and R108 Gmail is not well designed
and is more difficult
to use than other email programs.
What's hard to understand about that?
r114, gMail is not complicated. Email is not complicated. Having your email forwarded is not complicated. Setting inbox rules is not complicated. These are incredibly basic computer tasks which have been common knowledge for all users for over 20 years. That you haven't learned how to use email in all this time is bizarre.
I've been using e-mail successfully since 1995, R115, but every time I ask a question that might help me use it even more successfully, I run into attitude like yours, as we've seen above.
When someone asks a question about things I know about, I'm happy to share what I know, no matter how basic the question. Why are you computer people not only so unwilling to share your knowledge, but so absolutely nasty about it, saying "Well, you should already know that, and if you don't, well fuck you"?
I would have thought computer people would be nicer, but wow! was I wrong. No matter how many times I've asked, I still know nothing about "clients."
yes everybody's somebody's fool
With Hotmail, Yahoo, AOL, Verizon, we visibly know whether we are forwarding texts or not. With Gmail, we can't visibly tell. We could go on, but we won't.
itty bitty gmail committee
I just began using G-Mail as my main mail server, abandoning Apple Mail.
How does one tell the difference between promotions, junk and spam?
[quote][R11] I'm totally with you on this. As much as I cringe when I tell people I have an aol email addr., I've tried hotmail, gmail, yahoo and I really disliked them. Gmail was the worst of them all.
You can keep it a secret. Use whatever email you want for your public face and set it to forward everything to AOL. If AOL is so wonderful, it should let you choose which e-mail account to use for sending and replying.