I have a date with an orthodox Jewish guy Sunday night.
We met last week at a bar and hit it off right away. We've been talking on the phone every night, and had mind-blowing phone sex last night. He's kosher, which (I think) means the food is blessed by a rabbie), so we're going to a kosher restaurant. Even though he "topped" in our phone session, I know he probably won't do anal (which I can live without), but what are the chances he'll let me blow him when we go back to my place? He told me last night that he has an 8 inch cock that he wants to feed me, and I'm dying to get that in my mouth. Oy!
I love Jewish boys
So I guess you didn't speak tonight since it's the sabbath.
If he's orthodox how come he's dating someone who's presumably not Jewish? (I assume OP is not Jewish because he doesn't seem to be sure about what kosher food is.)
Oh sorry, he is orthodox. You can't have milk with meat, suck the cock, cum swallowing.
[quote]what are the chances he'll let me blow him when we go back to my place? He told me last night that he has an 8 inch cock that he wants to feed me
Do you think he meant he was going to cut it off and serve it to you for dinner?
Boy are you in for a surprise.
Will his motha be there watching?
Orthodox Jews interpret the Torah as the literal word of God and adhere to halachic law as such. According to Orthodox interpretation:
Sex with another man? Unacceptable and against halachic law.
Sex and dating? Sex is prohibited outside the context of marriage.
Dating a non-Jew? Is okay if the person you're dating intends to convert, but is still usually frowned up.
OP you might be dating a religious Jew but he's no orthodox. Either he's out to try and prove that there's room for gays in the Orthodox community, which there isn't, or he's in denial about the fact that his values are more aligned with conservative Judaism. One of my orthodox friends told me not to bring my guy as a date to her wedding (even though we're both Jewish) because it would make her orthodox friends "uncomfortable" and the proceeded to argue with me about my identity as a gay man. I politely told her that I wouldn't sacrifice any part of myself let alone a part that I take great pride in just so her close-minded friends could feel a little more comfortable with their prejudices. We haven't spoken since.
Expect and ask for Jewelry.
יש לו בשר גודל?
I'm sure you'll have an Extra Special Time.
If it doesn't work out, you can find another Orthodox guy here.
Please do not generalize when it comes to Jewish beliefs and practices. There are extreme variations in all branches, and everything is open to interpretation.
Orthodox Jews tend to follow the dietary laws of Kashruth. They avoid anything that comes from a pig, seen as unclean, shellfish, and meat and milk combinations. Kosher restaurants that have been not just blessed but also periodically checked by a Rabbi, are more likely to strictly follow all of the rules. Even more Conservative Jews advocate supporting Kosher restaurants, to ensure their continued existence.
Homosexuality does exist in all sectors of Judiasm. Yes the Orthodox place a premium on heterosexual marriage, as a basis for having lots of kids and guaranteeing continuity of the faith. Premarital or extramarital sex is not the norm. That doesn't mean that it's unheard of for very religious men to pay prostitutes. Like in sectors of the religious Black community, observant gay Jews must live on the downlow. Just as horny Orthodox teens are told to focus on physical work or religious studies, and in fact often rationalize their sexual activity, so do very religious gay Jews get drunk and enjoy themselves in some form.
OP, I would expect that at least initially your gay friend would want to engage in non-penetrative activities. Then again he may give in to lust. I doubt that he would want to bring you, as his boyfriend, to a wedding. He'd probably want to be more subtle, and less "in your face."
By the way, I recently attended a community Passover Seder at a Chassidic Rabbi's house, with their kids and relatives. At least 2 of the young men sitting next to me were obviously gay (and I lack gaydar.) We all work in entertainment, also not the norm for the Orthodox, and were still made to feel very welcome. Afterwards we left together, and I'll bet the 2 men "hooked up" after driving me home. Of course they wouldn't have even held hands in public, especially not at an event where the Orthodox are present.
When the Meatpacking District was the Meatpacking District, Hasidic guys would drive around all night (usually in banged-up filthy station wagons) prowling for trannies do what their wives wouldn't.
OP, ring us when you date a Born Again Xtian.
R13, Oral sex is accepted but not really encouraged in the Orthodox community. Did you know that some of the ultra-religious practice many sexual restrictions after marrying? You would die laughing if you heard all of those old rules.
This would be so much more fascinating if your date was Eastern Orthodox and wore the headgear, OP.
We really do need to bring back some form of headgear - something that helps defines personal space like a wimple.
I'm trying to slog through [italic]Travels With My Aunt[/italic] and the headgear worn by Maggie Smith is wonderful. I'm pretty sure you could hang an iteration of Google Glass on her veils and nobody would be offended. It would make another option when dealing with boring people.
Wonder if he's cut!
Run away, OP. Run the fuck away.
r15, like through a hole in the sheet? :)
R15, Worse, and IMHO far more ridiculous. Let me know if you want the entire list. Here are some tidbits for you.
A married woman cannot in any way, shape or form touch her husband during her period, or for the 7 days thereafter. She cannot even hand her husband a cup of coffee. Then she must go to a ritual bath, or mikvah. That's right, it only leaves at best 2 weeks per month for any type of physical intimacy or even hugging.
No sex if there's even a stroke of light in the room. Any form of pornography is strictly forbidden, and that includes non-GP rated movies. Typically the ultra-Orthodox married women always wear a long nightgown in bed as well. There's very little skin-to-skin contact.
r21, so Shlomo has to make the meals and use the coffee maker every morning for all those days of the month?
R22. Try reading that post again.
r22 I read it too quickly. Now I get it, she can put the food and coffee on the table, but never touch hubby.
Don't men also go to Mikvahs?
Nothing much will come of this. Maybe you'll fuck around, but if you're looking for something more good luck and get ready for never ending drama. Less so if he's just Modern Orthodox, but if he's really Orthodox I'd walk away. Lots of guys have big dicks and come with far less baggage.
I say this BTW as a Jewish guy (not Orthodox), but this really really isn't worth it. And in general this advise goes for anyone interested in a very religious person. It's just not worth it.
Finally to the DL antisemites, give it a rest. It's so old and tired and you sound just as bigoted as all of the homophobes.
If the very religious man lives in a city where a Mikvah is available, he might go before his wedding and before and after special holidays or the Sabbath. It depends on the man. Modern Orthodox aren't as strict in following all of the traditional rules. Still a man doesn't need to cleanse himself after the full 7 days following the last drop of blood. There were many old-fashioned ideas about women being unclean at certain times.
Yes, if his wife wants to serve him a cup of coffee, she needs to set it down on a table and not hand it to him, unless it's the approximately 2 weeks of the month when he's allowed to touch her. Notice that physical affection between couples is not the norm in public. Women and men dance separately and traditionally don't pray together either. The former are considered too much of a distraction.
No porking for you, OP!
Having contempt for the idiotic beliefs and rituals of orthodox Jews does not make one an anti-Semite. It makes one an anti-orthodox-religious-anything.
R13 the Hasidim you had seder with are still against homosexuality. They view it as a behavioral sin that must be handled between God and the individual who sins, unlike the Christian fundies who will alienate the sinner on behalf of God because they see it as a duty to their faith. That's where Christian and Jewish fundies differ. The Christians want you to join their club, but Jewish ones don't because they believe that being part of the chosen ones of God comes as a birthright.
Op didn't you do this thread once before? You need to wait at least four years before repeating the same scenario.
An orthodox Jew is not going out on a homosexual date!
R30, I sincerely appreciate the Hasidim inviting me into their home for Passover. Still I've not celebrated this important historical holiday in years, nor do I associate with my fellow observant Jews, because I so dislike any condemnation of anyone based on anything other than one's moral character.
How ironic for anyone who's been discriminated against in their life, or those of their ancestors, to dis another for their lifestyle choices, be it who they choose to love or in what profession they follow. Nor should a person be put down for their financial or social standing, or treated any differently if they don't have money to give an organization for whatever reason. You might say that I've sadly learned to avoid organized religion, and most of those that practice it with it's hypocrisy.
At least we don't have deal with cut/uncut trolls on this thread.And it won't get threadjacked!
Didn't we do this one already?
R32, I've seen many gay Orthodox Jews go out on dates, just normally on the down low. It'll normally start out as friendship and then progress. Just because you're born very observant and adherent to all of the norms of a community doesn't mean you'll always stay that way. Sadly many from many different conservative and condemnatory religious backgrounds deal with a great deal of guilt and anxiety.
Not so fast, R34...
Postponement of circumcision for health reasons:
The Talmud explicitly instructs that a boy must not be circumcised if he had two brothers who died due to complications arising from their circumcisions as this may be due to a concern about haemophilia.
If the child is born prematurely or has other serious medical problems, the brit milah will be postponed until the doctors and mohel deem the child strong enough.
So...OP...let us know if he's cut or uncut - there might be an interesting story behind it!
Keep us informed!!!
We Hassidic Jews aren't crazy at all. We just wrap ourselves in Saran wrap if we sit next to a woman in an airplane----and especially when we know the plane route will carry us over cemeteries.
Leave it to DLers to come up with the biggest load of misinformation, errors and utter horseshit about Jews, Jewish laws, customs and beliefs. And the sad part is some of you are Jews who should know better. Only in America.
Yeah R40. We conjure up the photos out of thin air.
R40. I'm Christian but am very attracted to Jewish guys. What are your stats and where do you live?