Since the news broke last week, the size and scope of the IRS investigations has gotten bigger.
At least 471 groups have come forward with proof that they were targeted with "non-standard" paperwork, liberal organization ProPublica has revealed that they were given confidential files on "Tea Party" groups, at least 3 offices have been positively identified as working together on the anti-TP project, and today it was revealed that the administration was made aware of this scandal in JUNE, 2012.
Now, imagine that this was a Republican administration.
If you defend this kind of systematic, systemic and sinister abuse of government power then you cannot be surprised or outraged when the "Other Side" uses the same tactics to target progressive groups.
Unless this scandal is fully investigated, and all involved- up to the executive level- are tried, convicted and imprisoned for gross abuse of power, then it will happen again.
R1, replace that with "Bush" and you would have fit in perfectly on Freeper Republic 10 years ago.
I wish some story I actually cared about would hit the headlines.
"Tea Party asked to fill out questionnaire" just doesn't do anything for me.
Here's a reality check: the REAL IRS scandal is that groups like Karl Rove's and Tea Party groups -- that are plainly political in purpose -- are allowed to influence elections while evading taxes and hiding their donors. Those people who claim tax exempt status for such groups should be arrested for TAX EVASION.
That's who should go to jail.
Preach R5, preach!
R5 is correct - that's the only IRS scandal that interests me in any way.
This "the tea party had to answer IRS questions" really doesn't bother me one bit.
Every goddamned one of those Tea Party shitstain groups got their tax exempt status. Of the Democratic and/or progressive groups that were given the same extra scrutiny, only one was denied tax-exempt status.
The way they hand out tax-exempt status to openly and obviously political groups is a disgrace.
The liberal narrative is not working.
R7, when the next Rethug admin does the same thing, and audits every progressive group in the country (costing them billions of dollars in compliance) and then imprisons thousands of progressive leaders based on flimsy "tax evasion" charges---well, you're going to wish this scandal had been prosecuted.
But they have R9. The IRS was doing this to liberal groups too. It was a full court press on political groups pretending to be for "education" when their real purpose is lobbying legislators or winning elections.
I think BO is guilty as hell in this but I also totally agree with r5 - the problem is 501.c(4)'s which are almost always money laundering operations. We have to get rid of that classification or make that classification really accountable.
The 501.c(3)'s are not abusing this as much.
OTOH, it's pretty reprehensible what the IRS did, even the ACLU says they're pissed about it.
All roads are going to lead to Rome though, we all know it.
And even IF we hate the pro-lifers, does the IRS need to know the "content of their prayers"?? Come on.
If this shit is ok, what will happen if in 2016 Hillary does not get elected? It will happen to our side.
Also the IRS targeting pro-Israel groups because they consider them "terrorist" organizations is a bit much and will also sink this admin.
It also does not help that Obama is partying nightly with celebs in the WH at THIS TIME. Makes him look like Nero, fiddling while Rome burns.
Too many here think that NOT prosecuting this, up to and including impeachment, is a good thing. Unless there are SERIOUS repercussions then the Rethugs will do the same thing, times 10, when they retake the White House.
The thing is, there is a very real chance of the voters in red or purple states replacing the Senate Ds with Rs. Then what? The House will come up with impeachment, like in Bill C's case and then the Senate which might have 1 extra R in it will vote to convict BO, which did not happen in Bill C's case. The Senate was D then. Plus you'll have freaked out red and purple state Ds and DINOS that will vote with Rs.
Even though I don't like the President I don't want him to be impeached. I would like him to actually come clean, fire Holder & FFS stop partying in the WH nightly. This is only infuriating people all over the internet.
Republicans need a reality check--NO ONE has found anything impeachable about any of these so called scandals.
These groups should not be getting tax exempt status. It'll be a shame that from now on they'll get less scrutiny because of this. That's the real scandal.
Now you can keep on generating these topics as instructed by all your right wing political blogger masters. It'll work just as well as it did in the last election for you.
I don't know who this guy is other than he's an R but he said this
[quote]We want truth," Chaffetz said on CNN. "We want to have the president do what he has said he would always do, and that is, be open and transparent. Thus far, the White House has not done that."
Republicans' accusations of an administration-led coverup in the immediate aftermath of the Benghazi attack were fueled last week by the release of internal e-mails showing that top administration officials scrubbed any mention of al Qaeda from talking points given to members of Congress and Susan Rice, the U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations.
The unclassified talking points have become a political flashpoint in a long-running battle between the administration and Republicans, who say that officials knew the attack was a planned terror operation while they were telling the public it was an act of violence that grew out of a demonstration over an anti-Islam video.
And now the administration has admitted the anti-Islam video was not the reason Muslims rioted. The guy who did the video is still in jail in California though, and that is wrong.
Interesting post over at NYMag:
[quote]By the way, the IRS has allowed its agents to implement their personal biases for a very long time. Excuse me, but don't these conservatives and repubs squeal like pigs when they get a little of their own treatment!!!
When the IRS was obstructing charity status for our charitable not-for-profit, dragging out recognition and status, claiming not to have received documents and applications carefully sent and certified, making us do the same stunts month after month, finally the agent assigned to our application case said to me. "Well, you are having so much trouble because gay, AIDS and charity really don't belong in the same sentence"!!! It took our identification of this agent and the facts of our application process and mistreatment brought to the attention of Senator Daniel Patrick Moynihan and his intervention to put an end to such conservative bigotry and abuse of power. Ten years later we were hit with a line-by-line audit which we passed correct to the penny, but the impressed agent revealed we were selected because of the nature of our name and IRS bias against our community which he said he saw repeatedly.
So, you know, I have to laugh as these groups who get a little of their own medicine. Certainly, it should be illegal and stopped --but since they are the very ones who usually so like to inflict this exact kind of abuse on others that they disapprove of, it is nice to see the pendulum swing in their faces for a change. This is exactly why we need regulation and oversight and the funds to see that things are done correctly which, again, these conservatives fight all the way! Maybe if they suffer a little, they'll wake up to the injustice they like to inflict on others.
[quote]Republicans' accusations of an administration-led coverup in the immediate aftermath of the Benghazi attack were fueled last week by the release of internal e-mails showing that top administration officials scrubbed any mention of al Qaeda from talking points
This is false, which is why the story will once again die. The White House released the full set of emails and if you read them and compare them to the mangled quotes in the ABC story, what you quickly realize is that the source that ABC used deliberately lied to them, doctoring the emails to make them appear worse than they were.
Republicans are desperate to make something, anything, of Benghazi but as has been clear from the beginning, there is still no "there" there.
[quote]Too many here think that NOT prosecuting this ... is a good thing
I've been looking in vain for any post here where someone says that "NOT prosecuting this ... is a good thing." Perhaps you could point me to such a post?
This is a waste of time and money. Move on people, let's get to work on real problems.
This isn't a scandal.
And it really is deeply hypocritical for the GOP to bitch after targeting and crushing their political enemy "ACORN", as well as targeting the NAACP and even a liberal anti-war church.
Anyone defending the GOP in these baseless accusations is an idiot.
Because the Tea Party IS a hyper-partisan political organization, and it's abusing the label as a 'charity' in order to avoid taxes and shield its donors.
The real scandal here is that the Tea Party groups WEREN'T stripped of their tax-exempt status. They SHOULD have been targeted. It was RIGHT to target them. They are screwing us all.
Even if the GOP squeezes out a few extra (R) seats in the Senate, they'd need a 66% vote in the Senate to convict.
Of course the House can do what it likes. They won't have nearly enough votes to convict an impeachment. It will truly be 1998 all over again.
Thank you, R5 and R20.
What bothers me is all the real business of the nation that falls by the wayside while the GOP gins up "scandals" like this and Benghazi.
More republican 'outrage' which is intentional 'look over there' tactics to take the real focus off of the sleazy things they are really doing to the people of the USA.
The fact that Dems aren't outraged at abuse of the IRS shows how twisted both parties have become.
Until Dems get pissed about this kind of abuse, this country will get more corrupt. Liberals used to be outraged by this kind of shit, but since Obama signed the NDAA they've just shut up...out of fear of being killed.
(rolling eyes at R24)
There's no THERE there. When will you figure that out?
The Republicans have just has much to fear from a detailed investigation of the IRS under Bush.
The scope of the inquiry will be widened to look at all potential partisan activity in the IRS - the Democrats are going to fight back and go for a more detailed report of what's gone on.
But this will never reach President Obama, for the simple reason that he was not involved.
Even Issa is dialing it back and he's dying to find a way to take down Obama:
[quote]"I know approximately what's in it," Issa told Bloomberg Businessweek on Monday when asked if he knew what would be in the report. "I knew what was approximately in it when we made the allegations about a year ago. This is one of those things where it's been, in a sense, an open secret, but you don't accuse the IRS until you've had a nonpartisan, deep look. That's what the IG has done. That's why the IGs in fact exist within government, is to find this kind of waste and fraud and abuse of power."
The play on this is no longer to take down Obama - there's nothing there and they know it.
The play is to take out Obamacare by removing the IRS's ability to manage key aspects of it.
They want to kill Obamacare - taking out the president means that they get payback later and that Joe Biden takes off, most likely with Clinton as VP.
And Republican strategists do not want to deal with that combination.
What do these Teabaggers expect,when nutjobs affiliated with then openly carry guns to presidential events under the guise of 'patriotism'and 'free' speech? If you act crazy and encourage violence, don't be surprised if the government targets you for special scrutiny. And I agree with r23,create a diversion so no one can see them backing up the Brinks truck-classic sociopath moves. Where was this 'outrage'when billions of American dollars where literally dropped over the skies of Iraq and then vanished under the GWB administration, yet no one has answered for it. Now there is your IRS scandal!
Isn't it the IRS's job to check on organizations that claim to be tax exempt to make sure they meet the criteria?
[bold]Colbert Destroys IRS Tea Party Scrutiny Conspiracy Theories[/bold]
The Colbert Report destroyed the conspiracy theories around the IRS scrutiny of Tea Party groups. He brought to light, once again, that these groups who were targeted were all 501(c)4′s. That should sound familiar because Stephen Colbert also created his own 501(c)4 modeled after Karl Rove’s Crossroads GPS. Colbert, in an on-air interview with his lawyer, discussed how the 501(c)4 could be used to fund the 501(c)3 with a string of anonymous money that resembled more of a money-laundering scam than a business model (I also let my feelings on the matter be known before even researching the conspiracy). Yet it was and is still legal thanks to the Supreme Court’s Citizen’s United ruling, and as Stephen points out in the IRS memos… Colbert’s Super PAC SSH was directly targeted as well by the use of his motto, “Making a better tomorrow, tomorrow” by singling out organizations who alluded that they would “make America a better place to live.”
No, Conservatives weren’t the only people targeted. The Tea Party is desperately toeing the line of conspiracy scandals in an attempt to avoid financial realities.
Watch the video, courtesy of Comedy Central:
I think the Ds need to get in on this scandal. The 501.c(4) bs is where the money laundering is. This is the time to bring that up. And if they don't now they never will.
This is NOTHING like what happened during the Nixon administration when people on his "enemies list" were targeted for audits.
These organizations were NOT being audited. They submitted their applications to the IRS seeking exempt status VOLUNTARILY. No one is required to get IRS approval of their exempt status. They just want some evidence they can show to potential donors and to avoid questions if and when they are audited.
Ok, so you're an IRS employee tasked with reviewing applications for 501(c)4 status. You have increased workload because of the Citizens United ruling. You're job is to make sure a group's primary function is not political. You have a stack of applications with the words "Tea Party" in them. Tea Party groups are for the most part political. How would you go about doing your job?
If you're smart and efficient, you would set those aside for further review.
R5, those groups exist on both sides...not just Karl Rove.
R33, your statement implies a balance or equality that isn't there.
The claim "both sides do it" is meaningless without acknowledging that one side does it about a hundred times more than the other.
It's not balanced at all. It's not equivalent in any way.
Statements like yours seem designed to cloud the issue, and as such, means you're clearly pushing an agenda (or mindlessly parroting something in order to push someone else's agenda).
R19, the media won't move on as long as they are in a cat-and-mouse game with Obama.
9/11/12 didn't earn the media's ire...but seizing reporters' phone records isn't something that they are just going to forget. Not for a minute. Because, let's face it: If they let it go...then their phone records could be next.
It's pretty simple, really.
R13, Obama will not be impeached. He is too popular. Republicans learned their lesson with Clinton.
R18, I'll bite: Appointing a special prosecutor is a dangerous proposition. After the Dems did it to Reagan and then the Repubs did it to Clinton, they agreed to not do it anymore.
But there's been a lot of turnover in Congress since the 1990s...and people have short memories.
[quote]but since Obama signed the NDAA they've just shut up...out of fear of being killed.
ROFL.... Man, I'd hate to live in your narrow, paranoid little world. What a pathetic excuse for a human being you are.
The NDAA authorizes the murder of US citizens on US soil without trial or even accusation of a crime.
That should be anathema to any liberal.
Of course, that has bupkis to do with this thread, R39. You see, out here in the real world, nobody is afraid of Obama killing them.
R38/40, the defender of government, no matter how obscene the crime. The piss yellow troll-dar shows you once again.
Tired of sucking that government dick yet? How much do whores like you get paid?
ROFL... Dear heart, spamming threads with the same reply is what gets your threads deleted.
You need to apologize since the new facts prove that the IRS focused on Tea Party groups.
Here's some info ---
Former IRS Official Calls Conservatives ‘Crazies’ and Worse in Newly Released Emails
Former IRS senior official Lois Lerner apparently believed conservatives were “a–holes” and “crazies,” according to emails released by the House Ways and Means Committee today, reports ABC News.
In a letter to Attorney General Eric Holder, committee chairman Rep. Dave Camp, R-Michigan, released a redacted email exchange from Lerner’s official IRS email account that Republicans believe shows she held personal bias and hostility against conservatives.
In the Nov. 9, 2012 email evidently sent while Lerner was vacationing in England, she appeared to refer to conservatives as “a–holes” and suggest they could cause the downfall of the federal government.
“So we don’t need to worry about alien teRrorists. (sic) It’s our own crazies that will take us down,” Lerner wrote in an email to a recipient whose identity was redacted.
1,300 dead Palestinians this month.
Russia's now just firing shit into Ukraine.
Syria's falling apart, out of the news focus.
And [bold]THIS[/bold] is what you sad Libertarian fuckwits get obsessed over?!?!
How absolutely pathetic.
The 1300 dead innocent Muslims are child's play to the millions of dead innocent Muslims in Iraq, and Syria...
Try to keep up.
The IRS scandal is just an example of how evil and corrupt Obama (and Bush, and Clinton, and McCain, and Romney) really are.
That one of the IRS's head honchos is a partisan cunt using the powers of her office to persecute dissent, and all checks and balances failed, is a major story.
We are hastening our transformation into a Third World banana republic under this administration. This abuse should be repudiated by all tax-payers, all sober Americans.
This is not Argentina. Yet.
No, this is just a big issue.
[quote]In the Nov. 9, 2012 email evidently sent while Lerner was vacationing in England, she appeared to refer to conservatives as “a–holes” and suggest they could cause the downfall of the federal government.
Is there a law about having an opinion, even a political one.....while on vacation?
No, freepy, the thought police aren't really an American ideal, and we can't prosecute (or persecute) people according to their opinions, thoughts, pr beliefs believe it or not!
If you're targeting your enemies using taxpayer funds and government powers...yes, you should spend 20 years in jail.
In a perfect world anyone accused - not convicted, just accused of misusing government power -should spend 10 years in jail.
That would cut corruption...but wouldn't stop the corrupt republicans and democrats.
[quote]In a perfect world anyone accused - not convicted, just accused of misusing government power -should spend 10 years in jail.
Wow. So the whole idea of innocent until proven guilty means nothing to you? I don't think America is the right place for you. I suggest you try Iran or China. They seem to more your speed.
Actually, a policy that prescribed a penalty of death by guillotine to ANY Government employee- banker, teacher, general, congressional aide, etc. - for any infarction would be best. Make "serving" as a government employee so dangerous that no sane person would take the job --- that is the best bet.
[quote]That one of the IRS's head honchos is a partisan cunt using the powers of her office to persecute dissent, and all checks and balances failed, is a major story.
And yet you probably never get upset when SCOTUS rules in favor of their political beliefs rather than along Constitutional lines, or what would benefit society.
So what if this lady sends an email calling the people who call into rightwing radio shows crazy? They were personal emails, a conversation she had about people like Limbaugh -- it wasn't IRS policy.
Besides, EVERY ONE OF THOSE TP GROUPS GOT TAX EXEMPT STATUS. No one got discriminated against -- they were just asked questions. That's it! They had to verify their status.
If you're such a lunatic that you think answering questions when applying for tax exempt status equals loss of rights, then she's right, you ARE crazy.
OP, darling, the rule is that political organizations have to be targeted when it comes to their seeking or maintaining non-profit status.
In fact, political organizations of all stripes were, as they had to be under the law, targeted.
It makes no difference whether this was a Republican or Democratic regime.
It's simply an administrative agency trying to follow the law as it is given it.
Get over it!
Funny how the liberal groups that were also asked to verify their non-profit status are not complaining. Conclusion: more proof regressives are bunch of cry babies.
I don't think any political groups should be tax exempt. And I think Lois whatever her name is, is crazy for writing these e-mails.
In related news, Libertarians are complete fucking idiots.
If you are caught using the government to enrich yourself or your crony buds, no trial is necessary.
You are a government agent. You give contracts, money, access, etc. to ANYONE then you go to jail.
That should be the norm- if you use government power to enrich yourself or any acquaintance then a mandatory prison sentence and a forfeiture of all property is appropriate.
Perhaps then people would quit using government to enrich themselves (Haliburton, XE, Monsanto, Goldman Sucks, Boeing...) if they knew they could be jailed for life if they were even SUSPECTED of using government power.
Are you slow? Like "short bus" type slow?
[quote]And yet you probably never get upset when SCOTUS rules in favor of their political beliefs
No, I think the SCROTUMS rules 99% of the time in favor of the government. Not the Demopublican or Repcratics, just in favor of growing government power.
[quote]rather than along Constitutional lines,
Show me one modern ruling that doesn't violate the US Constitution.
[quote] or what would benefit society.
Oh, they think it will benefit society...only because they worship the power of centralized government power.
[quote]So what if this lady sends an email calling the people who call into rightwing radio shows crazy? They were personal emails, a conversation she had about people like Limbaugh -- it wasn't IRS policy.
Now, please read the entire post at R53 and see if you can point out where this frautastic bullshit non sequitur originates.
Give up? It's just typically socialist crazyshit.
[quote]Besides, EVERY ONE OF THOSE TP GROUPS GOT TAX EXEMPT STATUS!
So? That is NOT the point. God, are you that stupid? The mere fact that the IRS CAN GO AFTER PEOPLE FOR POLITICAL SPEECH IS DANGEROUS. Like NAZIFUCKINGERMANY DANGEROUS!
Finally, here's where you prove your ignorance-
[quote] No one got discriminated against -- they were just asked questions. That's it! They had to verify their status.
So, if you had to produce ID every time you crossed the street (aka "your papers please!") you would support that, even though it is totally unconstitutional?
Why do you love your government so blindly that you cannot see the evil at the core?
R59. They can't see the abuse, or the precedent set.
If it happened to their sacred cows, OTOH, they'd be screaming bloody murder.
[quote]he mere fact that the IRS CAN GO AFTER PEOPLE FOR POLITICAL SPEECH IS DANGEROUS. Like NAZIFUCKINGERMANY DANGEROUS!
There are established limits on what these groups can do -- they can't support individual candidates and can't be a coordinated part of a campaign. The IRS was under fire in 2009 and 2010 for not monitoring 501(c) organizations closely enough and allowing groups through that did not qualify.
The groups specifically brought up were Republican groups, like Crossroads and Americans For Prosperity. They were violating the conditions of their tax exempt status. The IRS was being asked by members of Congress to buckle down on not allowing fake orgs tax exempt status, while also investigating these allegations.
That same Congress was slashing their budget and forcing them to fire people, though, so the IRS did something stupid: created lists of keywords and set those orgs aside.
But here's the thing: we've known for over a year that those keywords did not focus on one political party. They focused on all of them.
And now you're saying Lerner's personal email, sent to someone while she was on vacation in the UK, where they chatted about some British person's complaint about the US and the bailouts. In the course of this casual conversation, Lerner said rightwing talk radio hosts were assholes, and the people who called in were crazies.
Suddenly, according to you, we have proof that we are in Nazi Germany. Our core freedoms are being shredded. The IRS is just like Hitler.
Ridiculous. Calm yourself down, sister. Yeah, the IRS needs to be looked at, but so does Congress, so do those orgs that take advantage of a tax exempt status they don't deserve.
How about this.
Eliminate tax exemptions for everyone.
[quote]You need to apologize since the new facts prove that the IRS focused on Tea Party groups.
Actually, moron, the "new facts" you cite don't prove any such thing. All they prove is that Lerner noted that there were some crazy people out there. She didn't call all conservatives crazy and there is zero evidence that conservatives were targeted, particularly since liberal groups were also targeted.
You've been looking for a "smoking gun" for over a year. It's not there. Give it a rest and move on.
[quote]Show me one modern ruling that doesn't violate the US Constitution.
Funny how you can't find any "modern ruling" that does, despite your extravagant claims, you moronic drama queen.
I don't care if they were made to do a tap dance before they got their exemptions - the point is that every two bit hooker was coming up with "Freedom America Freedom Etc" as their name and then demanding tax exempt status - so many in fact that the easiest thing was to flag certain words for investigation right off the bat. That this was used to claim some kind of bias was the exact point of doing it all in the first place.
You really don't understand Tea Partiers - they are not a third political party. They're more like the Guilty Remnant and all they want to do is make life horrible for the rest of us.
Anybody hear about the scandal which just came out today? CIA breaking into U.S. Senate computers.
Could be the worst one yet. I imagine quite a few news people are upset that hey have to cover it up.
[quote] Anybody hear about the scandal which just came out today? CIA breaking into U.S. Senate computers
Personally I don't give two shits about that. The senate doesn't care that the CIA spies on who ever they feel like spying on regular citizens. But the cunts in the senate thinks it's some great tragedy when they are treated like regular citizens. the entire senate can drop dead.
And I would bet money on it that quite a few senators have something to hide and are VERY, VERY worried to find out the CIA spied on their computers
Feinstein talked in hushed tones and used circular logic to attack the recent revelations that the NSA had spied on certain congresscritters.
Now we know ALL high ranking government officials and elected representatives had their computers violently raped by the CIA- all of their secrets are now in the hands of the Super Secret Society of the CIA.
As a result, any congresscritter has to wonder if those illegal morphine pills ordered from a "local" doctor, or the illegal "donations" (bribes) were tracked, or if that cute rent boy might turn out to be a CIA asset. I mean, I KNEW he was hot, and the discount was too good to be true, but I should NOT have allowed him to film me getting plowed missionary style and spill top secret info but he was just SO HOT!
Our "Secret and Unaccountable Deep Government" has blackmail on every judge, congresscritter, cabinet official, etc. AND info on all their aides and families. If I was in their position I would do everything the CIA told me to do and say "Thank You May I Please Have Another".
Our government is so fucking out of control and rotten to the core that it shocks me how many simpletons will still defend it, no matter how corrupt it is.
I see the freep OP is bumping all the anti-Hillary threads right now too. Do you guys get paid per post?
[quote]Our government is so fucking out of control and rotten to the core that it shocks me how many simpletons will still defend it, no matter how corrupt it is.
For fuck's sake, Libertarian Idiot. Take a fucking pill.
There is something terribly wrong with OP.
There is no scandal, Freeper.
The IRS was merely doing its sworn obligation and that is the weeding out of right-wing conservative republican freeper organizations.
r55 there were only a couple of liberal orgs targeted. They were not asked the same type of questions and were quickly OKed. The conservative groups were OKed but not until after the election.
R72 is a sorry example that is part of the problem, ergo, no solution.
The government IS out of control & completely corrupt. Open your eyes.
The IRS is spying on elected officials & other political operatives. The CIA is spying on Congress. The NSA is spying on everyone.
And all of them are lying, stealing & cheating, while the huddle masses are standing bewildered on the sidelines.
Care to respond?
[quote]Unless this scandal is fully investigated, and all involved- up to the executive level- are tried, convicted and imprisoned for gross abuse of power, then it will happen again.
Unless that Muslin, Kenyan-born Socialist, community organizer fraud of a President is impeached, hung by the neck until dead, his soulless remains then drawn and quartered and burned to ash and buried and the burial ground is sown with salt, I will continue to post threads about my faux outrage over groups and classes of people about whom I never gave a rat's ass about before Fox News told me to.
There, OP. I fixed that for you.
If Obama hangs then Bush, and Bush 2.0, and Clinton and Rice and Pelosi and Kerry and Cheney and Cho and Holder and McCain and the rest should hang with them.
Fuckit-- hang them all.
Fake scandal that nobody's paying attention to, except of course the resident Libertarian Idiot.
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