Since the news broke last week, the size and scope of the IRS investigations has gotten bigger.
At least 471 groups have come forward with proof that they were targeted with "non-standard" paperwork, liberal organization ProPublica has revealed that they were given confidential files on "Tea Party" groups, at least 3 offices have been positively identified as working together on the anti-TP project, and today it was revealed that the administration was made aware of this scandal in JUNE, 2012.
Now, imagine that this was a Republican administration.
If you defend this kind of systematic, systemic and sinister abuse of government power then you cannot be surprised or outraged when the "Other Side" uses the same tactics to target progressive groups.
Unless this scandal is fully investigated, and all involved- up to the executive level- are tried, convicted and imprisoned for gross abuse of power, then it will happen again.
R1, replace that with "Bush" and you would have fit in perfectly on Freeper Republic 10 years ago.
I wish some story I actually cared about would hit the headlines.
"Tea Party asked to fill out questionnaire" just doesn't do anything for me.
Here's a reality check: the REAL IRS scandal is that groups like Karl Rove's and Tea Party groups -- that are plainly political in purpose -- are allowed to influence elections while evading taxes and hiding their donors. Those people who claim tax exempt status for such groups should be arrested for TAX EVASION.
That's who should go to jail.
Preach R5, preach!
R5 is correct - that's the only IRS scandal that interests me in any way.
This "the tea party had to answer IRS questions" really doesn't bother me one bit.
Every goddamned one of those Tea Party shitstain groups got their tax exempt status. Of the Democratic and/or progressive groups that were given the same extra scrutiny, only one was denied tax-exempt status.
The way they hand out tax-exempt status to openly and obviously political groups is a disgrace.
The liberal narrative is not working.
R7, when the next Rethug admin does the same thing, and audits every progressive group in the country (costing them billions of dollars in compliance) and then imprisons thousands of progressive leaders based on flimsy "tax evasion" charges---well, you're going to wish this scandal had been prosecuted.
But they have R9. The IRS was doing this to liberal groups too. It was a full court press on political groups pretending to be for "education" when their real purpose is lobbying legislators or winning elections.
I think BO is guilty as hell in this but I also totally agree with r5 - the problem is 501.c(4)'s which are almost always money laundering operations. We have to get rid of that classification or make that classification really accountable.
The 501.c(3)'s are not abusing this as much.
OTOH, it's pretty reprehensible what the IRS did, even the ACLU says they're pissed about it.
All roads are going to lead to Rome though, we all know it.
And even IF we hate the pro-lifers, does the IRS need to know the "content of their prayers"?? Come on.
If this shit is ok, what will happen if in 2016 Hillary does not get elected? It will happen to our side.
Also the IRS targeting pro-Israel groups because they consider them "terrorist" organizations is a bit much and will also sink this admin.
It also does not help that Obama is partying nightly with celebs in the WH at THIS TIME. Makes him look like Nero, fiddling while Rome burns.
Too many here think that NOT prosecuting this, up to and including impeachment, is a good thing. Unless there are SERIOUS repercussions then the Rethugs will do the same thing, times 10, when they retake the White House.
The thing is, there is a very real chance of the voters in red or purple states replacing the Senate Ds with Rs. Then what? The House will come up with impeachment, like in Bill C's case and then the Senate which might have 1 extra R in it will vote to convict BO, which did not happen in Bill C's case. The Senate was D then. Plus you'll have freaked out red and purple state Ds and DINOS that will vote with Rs.
Even though I don't like the President I don't want him to be impeached. I would like him to actually come clean, fire Holder & FFS stop partying in the WH nightly. This is only infuriating people all over the internet.
Republicans need a reality check--NO ONE has found anything impeachable about any of these so called scandals.
These groups should not be getting tax exempt status. It'll be a shame that from now on they'll get less scrutiny because of this. That's the real scandal.
Now you can keep on generating these topics as instructed by all your right wing political blogger masters. It'll work just as well as it did in the last election for you.
I don't know who this guy is other than he's an R but he said this
[quote]We want truth," Chaffetz said on CNN. "We want to have the president do what he has said he would always do, and that is, be open and transparent. Thus far, the White House has not done that."
Republicans' accusations of an administration-led coverup in the immediate aftermath of the Benghazi attack were fueled last week by the release of internal e-mails showing that top administration officials scrubbed any mention of al Qaeda from talking points given to members of Congress and Susan Rice, the U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations.
The unclassified talking points have become a political flashpoint in a long-running battle between the administration and Republicans, who say that officials knew the attack was a planned terror operation while they were telling the public it was an act of violence that grew out of a demonstration over an anti-Islam video.
And now the administration has admitted the anti-Islam video was not the reason Muslims rioted. The guy who did the video is still in jail in California though, and that is wrong.
Interesting post over at NYMag:
[quote]By the way, the IRS has allowed its agents to implement their personal biases for a very long time. Excuse me, but don't these conservatives and repubs squeal like pigs when they get a little of their own treatment!!!
When the IRS was obstructing charity status for our charitable not-for-profit, dragging out recognition and status, claiming not to have received documents and applications carefully sent and certified, making us do the same stunts month after month, finally the agent assigned to our application case said to me. "Well, you are having so much trouble because gay, AIDS and charity really don't belong in the same sentence"!!! It took our identification of this agent and the facts of our application process and mistreatment brought to the attention of Senator Daniel Patrick Moynihan and his intervention to put an end to such conservative bigotry and abuse of power. Ten years later we were hit with a line-by-line audit which we passed correct to the penny, but the impressed agent revealed we were selected because of the nature of our name and IRS bias against our community which he said he saw repeatedly.
So, you know, I have to laugh as these groups who get a little of their own medicine. Certainly, it should be illegal and stopped --but since they are the very ones who usually so like to inflict this exact kind of abuse on others that they disapprove of, it is nice to see the pendulum swing in their faces for a change. This is exactly why we need regulation and oversight and the funds to see that things are done correctly which, again, these conservatives fight all the way! Maybe if they suffer a little, they'll wake up to the injustice they like to inflict on others.
[quote]Republicans' accusations of an administration-led coverup in the immediate aftermath of the Benghazi attack were fueled last week by the release of internal e-mails showing that top administration officials scrubbed any mention of al Qaeda from talking points
This is false, which is why the story will once again die. The White House released the full set of emails and if you read them and compare them to the mangled quotes in the ABC story, what you quickly realize is that the source that ABC used deliberately lied to them, doctoring the emails to make them appear worse than they were.
Republicans are desperate to make something, anything, of Benghazi but as has been clear from the beginning, there is still no "there" there.
[quote]Too many here think that NOT prosecuting this ... is a good thing
I've been looking in vain for any post here where someone says that "NOT prosecuting this ... is a good thing." Perhaps you could point me to such a post?
This is a waste of time and money. Move on people, let's get to work on real problems.
This isn't a scandal.
And it really is deeply hypocritical for the GOP to bitch after targeting and crushing their political enemy "ACORN", as well as targeting the NAACP and even a liberal anti-war church.
Anyone defending the GOP in these baseless accusations is an idiot.
Because the Tea Party IS a hyper-partisan political organization, and it's abusing the label as a 'charity' in order to avoid taxes and shield its donors.
The real scandal here is that the Tea Party groups WEREN'T stripped of their tax-exempt status. They SHOULD have been targeted. It was RIGHT to target them. They are screwing us all.
Even if the GOP squeezes out a few extra (R) seats in the Senate, they'd need a 66% vote in the Senate to convict.
Of course the House can do what it likes. They won't have nearly enough votes to convict an impeachment. It will truly be 1998 all over again.
Thank you, R5 and R20.
What bothers me is all the real business of the nation that falls by the wayside while the GOP gins up "scandals" like this and Benghazi.
More republican 'outrage' which is intentional 'look over there' tactics to take the real focus off of the sleazy things they are really doing to the people of the USA.
The fact that Dems aren't outraged at abuse of the IRS shows how twisted both parties have become.
Until Dems get pissed about this kind of abuse, this country will get more corrupt. Liberals used to be outraged by this kind of shit, but since Obama signed the NDAA they've just shut up...out of fear of being killed.
(rolling eyes at R24)
There's no THERE there. When will you figure that out?
The Republicans have just has much to fear from a detailed investigation of the IRS under Bush.
The scope of the inquiry will be widened to look at all potential partisan activity in the IRS - the Democrats are going to fight back and go for a more detailed report of what's gone on.
But this will never reach President Obama, for the simple reason that he was not involved.
Even Issa is dialing it back and he's dying to find a way to take down Obama:
[quote]"I know approximately what's in it," Issa told Bloomberg Businessweek on Monday when asked if he knew what would be in the report. "I knew what was approximately in it when we made the allegations about a year ago. This is one of those things where it's been, in a sense, an open secret, but you don't accuse the IRS until you've had a nonpartisan, deep look. That's what the IG has done. That's why the IGs in fact exist within government, is to find this kind of waste and fraud and abuse of power."
The play on this is no longer to take down Obama - there's nothing there and they know it.
The play is to take out Obamacare by removing the IRS's ability to manage key aspects of it.
They want to kill Obamacare - taking out the president means that they get payback later and that Joe Biden takes off, most likely with Clinton as VP.
And Republican strategists do not want to deal with that combination.
What do these Teabaggers expect,when nutjobs affiliated with then openly carry guns to presidential events under the guise of 'patriotism'and 'free' speech? If you act crazy and encourage violence, don't be surprised if the government targets you for special scrutiny. And I agree with r23,create a diversion so no one can see them backing up the Brinks truck-classic sociopath moves. Where was this 'outrage'when billions of American dollars where literally dropped over the skies of Iraq and then vanished under the GWB administration, yet no one has answered for it. Now there is your IRS scandal!
Isn't it the IRS's job to check on organizations that claim to be tax exempt to make sure they meet the criteria?
[bold]Colbert Destroys IRS Tea Party Scrutiny Conspiracy Theories[/bold]
The Colbert Report destroyed the conspiracy theories around the IRS scrutiny of Tea Party groups. He brought to light, once again, that these groups who were targeted were all 501(c)4′s. That should sound familiar because Stephen Colbert also created his own 501(c)4 modeled after Karl Rove’s Crossroads GPS. Colbert, in an on-air interview with his lawyer, discussed how the 501(c)4 could be used to fund the 501(c)3 with a string of anonymous money that resembled more of a money-laundering scam than a business model (I also let my feelings on the matter be known before even researching the conspiracy). Yet it was and is still legal thanks to the Supreme Court’s Citizen’s United ruling, and as Stephen points out in the IRS memos… Colbert’s Super PAC SSH was directly targeted as well by the use of his motto, “Making a better tomorrow, tomorrow” by singling out organizations who alluded that they would “make America a better place to live.”
No, Conservatives weren’t the only people targeted. The Tea Party is desperately toeing the line of conspiracy scandals in an attempt to avoid financial realities.
Watch the video, courtesy of Comedy Central:
I think the Ds need to get in on this scandal. The 501.c(4) bs is where the money laundering is. This is the time to bring that up. And if they don't now they never will.
This is NOTHING like what happened during the Nixon administration when people on his "enemies list" were targeted for audits.
These organizations were NOT being audited. They submitted their applications to the IRS seeking exempt status VOLUNTARILY. No one is required to get IRS approval of their exempt status. They just want some evidence they can show to potential donors and to avoid questions if and when they are audited.
Ok, so you're an IRS employee tasked with reviewing applications for 501(c)4 status. You have increased workload because of the Citizens United ruling. You're job is to make sure a group's primary function is not political. You have a stack of applications with the words "Tea Party" in them. Tea Party groups are for the most part political. How would you go about doing your job?
If you're smart and efficient, you would set those aside for further review.
R5, those groups exist on both sides...not just Karl Rove.
R33, your statement implies a balance or equality that isn't there.
The claim "both sides do it" is meaningless without acknowledging that one side does it about a hundred times more than the other.
It's not balanced at all. It's not equivalent in any way.
Statements like yours seem designed to cloud the issue, and as such, means you're clearly pushing an agenda (or mindlessly parroting something in order to push someone else's agenda).
R19, the media won't move on as long as they are in a cat-and-mouse game with Obama.
9/11/12 didn't earn the media's ire...but seizing reporters' phone records isn't something that they are just going to forget. Not for a minute. Because, let's face it: If they let it go...then their phone records could be next.
It's pretty simple, really.
R13, Obama will not be impeached. He is too popular. Republicans learned their lesson with Clinton.
R18, I'll bite: Appointing a special prosecutor is a dangerous proposition. After the Dems did it to Reagan and then the Repubs did it to Clinton, they agreed to not do it anymore.
But there's been a lot of turnover in Congress since the 1990s...and people have short memories.
[quote]but since Obama signed the NDAA they've just shut up...out of fear of being killed.
ROFL.... Man, I'd hate to live in your narrow, paranoid little world. What a pathetic excuse for a human being you are.
The NDAA authorizes the murder of US citizens on US soil without trial or even accusation of a crime.
That should be anathema to any liberal.
Of course, that has bupkis to do with this thread, R39. You see, out here in the real world, nobody is afraid of Obama killing them.
R38/40, the defender of government, no matter how obscene the crime. The piss yellow troll-dar shows you once again.
Tired of sucking that government dick yet? How much do whores like you get paid?
ROFL... Dear heart, spamming threads with the same reply is what gets your threads deleted.