She care enough about her appearance to get a bad dye job.
She just needs a trim
She was never nasty to regular, everyday people. It was always a co-star or director.
My roommate was an editor on a documentary she did. He'd go up to her house in Bedford Hills I think? Anyway, he said she was awesome and couldn't have been cooler.
Take that for what it's worth.
Would love to see the unedited version of "Mike's Murder" - I think the director's boyfriend has the footage.
I wonder what real deal happened with the Anarchist and who was feuding with who. Patti usually spills, but so far has been rather tight lipped
I was waiting in line at that Egyptian temple thing at the Met with these two people who were talking about "The Anarchist" last November and they were saying how dreadful it was.
The play was a total bore. Cannot stand Patti, she's such a tool.
[quote]I wonder what real deal happened with the Anarchist and who was feuding with who. Patti usually spills, but so far has been rather tight lipped
No one was feuding, there was tension because the play was terrible, unfinished and being worked on everyday, right up to curtain.
I used to wait on her during and after her marriage to Timothy Hutton. She was always unpleasant. Sometimes it was mild, but often times not mild. She seemed to have trouble interacting with anyone. Grim-faced, hostile, and mildly threatening, all while being ugly. What a catch!
[quote]I was waiting in line at that Egyptian temple thing at the Met
Somehow, I don't find your insights compelling.
Her farts stank.
I really like her in "Urban Cowboy" - "I like my tuna salad with onion, not apples and pecans! [spits out on fork]
She should have had Streep's career. I don't think she was suited for or wanted that sort of big level stardom.
she was too honest and cray-cray to play the Hollywood game.
My pussy itches real bad....damn.
"Cray cray" is not something adults say. Stop it, you fools.
I loved her voice.
Bipolar at least, if not something worse.
And we now know it was Shirl who was the real bitch, she's bitchy to everyone including her own daughter.
A hundred years ago, she was a fun pothead.
I have no idea what/who she is now.
She's bi-polar. Do the math.
I think fun potheads turn into bipolars
[quote]Bipolar at least, if not something worse.
what? like Tri-polar?
do you understand the basics of psychiatry?
r28 sounds like Tom Cruise
You can bet tri-polar is coming!
I read You'll Never Nanny in this Town Again and the nanny loooved Debra and made me love her too. Funny down to earth and kind. I was relieved to hear it after you vipers tore her down.
Loved her. She was one of the most natural actresses ever. The Jeff Bridges kind of relaxed. Too bad she couldn't work within the system.
"I really like her in "Urban Cowboy" - "I like my tuna salad with onion, not apples and pecans! [spits out on fork]"
Acually she likes her tuna salad with apples and pecans, NOT onions.
It's hard to believe, looking at her now, that she was considered quite a hot piece at one time. But even back then she was an acquired taste. I can't remember which movie it was (it was either Urban Cowboy or An Officer and A Gentleman), but the director of the film was hesitant to cast her because he didn't think it was plausible that any guy would want to fuck her.
She was heavily into coke during her heydey, which partially accounted for her crazy behavior. She also seemed to have some kind of mental illness. She always seems hostile. On "Inside the Actor's Studio" she was asked some innocuous question and she snapped "I refuse to answer that." She's definitely not easy to get along with.
Well, she went to a psychiatrist on In Treatment.
"She should have had Streep's career."
Uh, no. She is a very, very different kind of actress from Streep. She never would have had a career approaching Meryl Streep's.
Debra Winger was a very seventies-style actress. It was too bad her career was in the eighties.
Bitch. She squeezed my left tit. HARD.
I loved her in Black Widow with Thersea Russell.
I could see her cuntiness from space!
we don't have no apples and pecans because you ain't been shopping
[quote]Uh, no. She is a very, very different kind of actress from Streep. She never would have had a career approaching Meryl Streep's.
I understand that. I meant that she should have had a big career with lots of accolades. Not that she should have gotten the same sort of parts as Streep.
I think she's a lot more fun to watch than Streep--more natural, not as click click click-y.
Winger was white hot then white cold. I don't think she could have sustained very long without trying. Burned a lot of bridges. Click click click is so Hepburn by the way. Public hated her for long stretches.
R39 gets a WW !
R41, can't you make your own observations with your own words without plagiarizing Katherine Hepburn and her click-click-click remark? You are nothing but a conversational parasite and you should be banned from the internet.
Streep fans are so damn annoying! Acting like Meryl is some beauty on the level of a Loren or Taylor. It's hard to imagine any straight guy would want to fuck Streep! There I said it!
[quote]It's hard to imagine any straight guy would want to fuck Streep! There I said it!
Do you know any gossip about Don Gummer that we don't?
Winger is nowhere near Streep's league. To suggest so is ludicrous.
[quote]Click click click is so Hepburn by the way. Public hated her for long stretches.
Indeed. She was the GOOP of her day.
[quote]Acting like Meryl is some beauty on the level of a Loren or Taylor.
I think she's better looking than Loren, definitely. Taylor - no. But, I don't think any of the three were great beauties.
[quote] It's hard to imagine any straight guy would want to fuck Streep!
There's a difference between beauty and what straight men find sexually appealing.
R21 needs his creme brulee NOW!
Why, and why on DL especially, would we care about what some dumb straight guy thinks? They are programmed to desire Kim Kardashian and talk about sports. Do we have to do that, too? Should we? Should anyone?
How about Linda Fiorentino? She's another one in the Winger mould.
Her best role was as Wonder Girl.
Holly Hunter stole her career.
Broadcast News, Roe V Wade and The Piano were all roles with Winger in mind.
Unfortunately she turned them all down.
R47, which women do you consider to be "great beauties"?
Sissy Spacek was suppose to do Urban Cowboy, but she felt working with John Travolta once was enough,
So it went to Debra.
Although that film (Urban Cowboy) earned Winger an Oscar nomination, it also fueled rumors that she was "difficult."
"It's really not that important," she says now. "I didn't hurt anyone. I didn't, you know, kill anyone, that I know of."
Her second Oscar nod came for "Terms of Endearment," in which she played Emma, the terminally ill daughter of Aurora Greenway, played by Shirley MacLaine.
"Just in preparing for that role, did you channel your relationship with your own mom?" Smith asked.
"I don't think we want to use 'channel' in 'Terms of Endearment'!" Winger said. "I want that camera on, just 'cause I said nothing, you did everything, and I will take the hit," she laughed.
On screen, the mother/daughter sparks flew. So did off-screen rumors of real-life tension between Debra and Shirley.
"We worked together. Whatever anyone else will say and what we have said for the sake of spicy publicity …"
"Is that what it was?" Smith asked.
"Well, I think you can kind of figure it's Shirl and I. I mean, you know, we're not stupid."
"So, let's play up this conflict a little bit?" Smith asked.
"No, I don't think it was ever on purpose. But we could see that it was, like, a very easy way out of the conversation. Who wants to sit around and talk about what you did and how you worked the character and, i mean, you don't wanna sit around and talk about acting. So you just go, 'Yeah. Boy, we really dusted it up that day.' And partially, it was true. We were constantly, you know, picking at places.
"I think we did it for the right reason, to explore that relationship. And you know, none of us were hurt by it. We're both big girls."
"and maybe the end result was better because of it?"
"How could it not be?" Winger replied. "You're going somewhere you haven't been before."
"Can you dispel a myth? Did you guys actually slug each other?" Smith asked.
"Don't remember. Possible!"
"That's a good answer."
"Totally possible. Slug, no. There was no blood drawn. There might have been a scuffle. I don't remember. I mean, we were wild, you know? She's not a wilting violet. (laughter) She's tough, too."
I never noticed it before but she actually looks a bit like Linda Carter, minus the amazon. I could see it in the video that was posted in Carter's thread and r5's pic. Casting directors at work there. Anyway, she had it all to be a movie star. I'm sure Linda was bitter.
One thing I know was she pulled out of A League of their Own due to the presence of Vadge. She was not impressed by the "stunt casting". Though this was also I believe after Vadge trashed her in A Sheltering Sky.
Lindsay Frost (ATWT) was originally cast in Madge role. Unfortunately her brother (Mark Frost) had a pilot that got picked up and was a go. Lindsay starred in the pilot, so how could she say NO to her brother and YES to A League of their Own?
So she had to drop out of the movie and was replaced by Madge.
Fast forward 20 years, Lindsay son is now an aspiring baseball player, Lucas Giolito
What's different about the unedited version, R9?
Good post, R49. Straight men are a lower form of existence.
[quote][R47], which women do you consider to be "great beauties"?
Grace Kelly and Joan Collins.
Winger's first Oscar nod was "Officer...", NOT "Urban Cowboy".
Wanna hear my "Debra Winger, you get your ass over here and sign this autograph, nobody else here even knows who you are" story again?
I thought that was wrong r60, but it's made me more curious to see Urban Cowboy which I know has a cult following. Never even knew she was in it.
Wish she'd come back to do more movies again...
I even like her when she's playing someone unlikable.
(*sigh*) --Just don't make 'em like that any more... or at least don't cast 'em.
Streep is the sort of actress high school drama teachers adore. Also, middle-aged men with Barbie collections. Both groups are drawn by the sound of...
CLICK CLICK CLICK.
I waited on her in a restaurant in LA
Totally cool,flirty and a great sense of humor .
No bitch vibe at all
Shirley MacClaine,on the other hand................
Winger's interview at r55 is completely ridiculous: first she's saying they didn't really fight all that much and blew it out of proportion to get publicity, and then she coyly admits they physically fought with one another on the set, as if that's a normal and healthy thing for two lead actors on a movie set to do.
I've always thought she's mentally ill, and this just confirms that suspicion. She's fundamentally a dishonest woman. I have always thought she's a very good actress, but I think whatever difficulties she's had in her career have all been of her own making.
She had terrible taste in material. She probably had her reasons but the scripts she chose to do really sank her career. Everybody Wins? A Dangerous Woman?
Though I have to say one of favourite performances of hers is Cannery Row.
[quote]Streep is the sort of actress high school drama teachers adore. Also, middle-aged men with Barbie collections. Both groups are drawn by the sound of...CLICK CLICK CLICK.
I disagree. Streep is a subtle and nuanced actor and not at all the type high school drama teachers like.
Could someone explain "click-click-click" to me? It seems to have become one the de facto sayings of Streep's detractors, alongside: "she mimics". However, I consider Hepburn one of the worst actors to ever grace the screen, so I'm almost certain I'll disagree with whatever it means.
I've always liked Debra Winger. And one of the hottest sex escapades, if not the hottest, that I've ever seen on film, was that storyline in The Sheltering Sky where she meets that Touareg guy... Wow. Never seen anything like it.
Agree re: The Sheltering Sky!
I have to say, I thought Ms. Winger was pretty terrific in "Shadowlands", which I loved.
And to think she was so damn cute as Wonder Woman's little sister.
R69, if this was a dating site I'd hook up with you right now.
R61, "Urban Cowboy" is weirdly fun and she is hot in it -- but I have a feeling the true difficult rep started with "Officer" when she hated Richard Gere so much, she refused to attend Oscars that year she was nominated. In "Cowboy" days, she would do kooky things like sleep in a graveyard but she wasn't the nightmare just yet.
Then again, a friend in TX worked with her as actor on that and said, quote, she was "the meanest woman he ever met", ha.
Before she changed her name she was Debbie WAnger from Opalousas, Louisiana
P.S. She also hated Taylor Hackford, director of "Officer" and was very vocal about it in interviews. Said there were "two directors she would never work with again, Taylor Hackford and..." Anyone remember the other one? She loved James Bridges so not him.
Never mind, just found it... Ivan Reitman. She left CAA over pimping her out in a "package" for "Legal Eagles".
yeah yeah I know way too much about Winger but those were my hay days in Hollywood. :)
I thought Streep bedded her male costars? That is the rumor. Hepburn did not care for her but neither did Pauline Kael. They are now both deceased and stewing in a pile of bitterness. Meryl's still on top so she did something right.
Debra Winger was great for a few years but then left and/or was not asked to be in major films anymore. I don't think she ever had the range or talent that people are imagining here.
Debra Winger is shit actress. That's why she doesn't work anymore. Getting nominated for awards (ESPECIALLY IN THE 80's) is attributed to highly skilled publicists!
And for stories. I waited on her, too. Bossy demanding cold bitch.
R76, stories please! You may even start your own thread if you feel the need
Pauline Kael hated a woman who trilled.
Pauline Kael hated herself. Sad alcoholic. She loved to both champion and attack. She told directors who to cast. Frustrated filmmaker who failed to make a movie.
Actually, I think Winger could hold her own alongside Streep. Look what she did with what could have easily been a one note, one dimensional role in Officer and a Gentleman. Yet, she turned it into a an Oscar nominated
performance on the level of something you'd see in a Truffaut movie.
You think Streep could pull off that Mechanical bull ride in Urban Cowboy?
Not that Winger was bad actress, she can give a good performance. But, to suggest that overall she is an equal to Streep and should have her career is ridiculous.
[quote]You think Streep could pull off that Mechanical bull ride in Urban Cowboy?
No. Could Winger pull off "The Iron Lady" - no.
I've never seen "Cannery Row", if Welch was in it would it have become a DataLounge camp classic?
Riding a bull is a benchmark of good acting? Hysterical!
Who would win in a fist fight: Winger or Mirren (Mrs. Taylor Hackford)?
Why the hell was Meryl Steep brought up in a thread about Debra Winger? Apparently because a lot of Dataloungers have a obsession with her.
There is NO comparison between Debra Winger and Meryl Streep. They are entirely different types of actresses. To compare them is ridiculous.
[quote] Hepburn did not care for her but neither did Pauline Kael. They are now both deceased and stewing in a pile of bitterness. Meryl's still on top so she did something right.
Yes, being born 40 years later really showed them.
[quote]Why the hell was Meryl Steep brought up in a thread about Debra Winger? Apparently because a lot of Dataloungers have a obsession with her.
Streep was first mentioned by someone who claimed Winger should have Streep's career. Indeed, ridiculous.
Thank you everyone for chiming in on Debra Winger, good or bad. I adore her, and do agree that she could have done more, but burned too many bridges.
I don't really see her in the Streep conversation. They are just too different. Debra was smoldering and earthy and messy, whereas Streep is much more cultured and privileged, no matter the role. Just for a quick example: Debra as Shirley's daughter
in Terms of Endearment vs. Meryl as Shirley's daughter in Postcards.
They were of course peers to some extent, but in my limited knowledge, I feel Debra far more focused on the "art" and integrity of the overall film, whatever that meant to her.
Her entire young persona, when you really build your career and reputation, was too volatile to sustain any of her early success. But I sure wish she had been able to handle that life because I think her talent was very real.
[quote] he coyly admits they physically fought with one another on the set
If you read the transcript
QUESTION: "Can you dispel a myth? Did you guys actually slug each other?"
ANSWER "Don't remember. Possible! Totally possible. Slug, no. There was no blood drawn. There might have been a scuffle. I don't remember. I mean, we were wild, you know? She's not a wilting violet. (laughter) She's tough, too."
She doesn't admit there was a fight, she says she doesn't remember.
"So Winger was very difficult? “I don’t like speaking bad of her because I just don’t like that stuff.” (In fact, she devoted an entire chapter in her book My Lucky Stars detailing what a nightmare it was working with Winger.)"
So glad her fans keep the 1983 fire going. Shoulda woulda coulda.
Didn't Oliver North and Dick Cheney say "I don't remember"?
I liked her when she was "hot" - saw a lot of her movies, thought she was good. I think she would have been good in Broadcast News.
I want to hear the "autograph story."
According to IMDB, she is going to be in a movie with DL faves Rufus Wainwright, Famke Janssen, Temple Grandin, Karen Black, and Moby.
Why would Winger even want Streep's career? She had no use for the Hollywood bullshit, I doubt she even cares at this point.
They're both great actresses, so to even suggest that Winger isn't as good as Streep is ludicrous. Winger could live inside a character in a way that very few actresses have been able to pull off (Streep in her prime was another one who could do it). Watch Terms, Officer, and yes, Urban cowboy. Flesh and blood creations. Her reign was short lived, but what a reign it was.
And yes, Mike's Murder is a very underrated gem of a film.
A lot of the Streep love is warranted, but it has gone way overboard. I'd venture to say she hasn't given a single performance in the last twelve years that could match her late 70's to late 90's output. If anything, she's reduced to relying on broad characterizations instead of minute inflections. There's a reason they called Rich Little an impressionist and not an actor. Simply looking like someone and imitating them does not equal acting. I find Meryl has gone too gimmicky in her approach.
But she's become the latter day Hepburn, can do no wrong and beloved by the public (for many reasons that are warranted) But like Hepburn, I don't think history will be as kind to her later fare as to her phenomenal early work.
Yeah, comparing Debra Winger and Meryl Streep is kind of bullshit. Meryl Streep is a character actress, whereas Debra Winger is more of a personality star. And as with most personality stars, once it came out that her real life "personality" was of an unlikable bitch, her career tanked.
lol at [r95]. Kate Hepburn's career began over 80 years ago. When exactly is history going to start being unkind to her? Though she was right about Streep -- CLICK CLICK CLICK. And unlike Meryl, she's starred in many great iconic films.
And Meryl could not have pulled off Debra's performance in Terms. CLICK CLICK CLICK does not cut it for raw emotion.
Good post, R95.
That great voice, the big open eyes and, most of all, her ability to look like she was madly in love with/loved to death co-stars she hated the moment the director called "Cut". Gere, Maclaine (she lied Travolta).
Watch "Mike's Murder" if you can find it. Pure charming Winger. And she's pretty perfect in "Black Widow" too. P.S. Kael didn't hate Streep, just thought she always looked miscast. And said she "couldn't take a bite of food without acting out eating." On the other hand... she loved Winger, said she was a major reason to see movies then.
I think she hated Redford too. He certainly hated her but they were trapped in that godawful "Legal Eagles" dreck so who could blame them?
Has she hated all of her co-stars?
She called Redford "The Unnatural".
Pretty funny, but I bet he hated it.
"Legal Eagles" was a total '80's yuppie movie.
Ironically, not a bad word to say about Theresa Russell -- whom she approved for the role in "Black Widow" (the old "casting approval" they get at their peak). You'd think there would be major issues since Russell was dressed all hot mama, Winger dull and dowdy... but no. Her ire seemed more for male figures -- stars and directors -- than female catfights, Maclaine aside.
She loved Nicholson too, her fellow wild man. And, as said before, James Bridges was her favorite director who died early. Think he was the gay one whose longtime companion was, drum rollllll... Jimmy Olsen from the old "Superman" series. Seriously!
P.S. Do I even have to ask if you folks have seen "Searching for Debra Winger", the documentary directed by Rosanna Arquette? She finds Winger at the end, nothing amazingly personal but still cool info. Lots of other great 80s/90s stars too in it.
I loved Black Widow.
Also thought Winger did a great job in Rachel Getting Married which starred Oscar winner Anne Hathaway.
I love Meryl, but the Mbot seems to forget She Devil, The River Wild, Mamma Mia, and Hope Springs.
Her fall was really quick too, I recall, two Oscar nods and box office too and then suddenly she was in a Steve Martin movie and her face was postage stamp sized on the poster. That's when you know it's over. She did come back for one more Oscar nod for "Shadowlands"... and then took off for a decade, it seemed.
She did well and had a semi-comeback in Rachel Getting Married and had some buzz along with the other one who wasn't AnnE. But god I hated that.
Aronofsky could use her, he has a thing for reviving good but dead actors, as does Tarrantino but he's one who more sees the potential in discarded ones people wouldn't think of.
Her acting and movies were fine when they were good, but none of her movies are among my absolute favorites. I'd probably see Black Widow again, but I haven't downloaded it and saved on hard drives, like I have hundreds of other movies.
Every performer has their limitations. I could insult Hepburn but why bother?
I am so sorry that I have been lazy over the past twelve tears? Honestly, you queens are too much.
[quote]I am so sorry that I have been lazy over the past twelve tears?
You're an actress! You should be able to produce more tears than twelve. Come on!
r111 is an imposter. I never use a period and I don't see self-hating things like "queens"
R114, people were even saying that 15 yrs ago. She completely dropped off the map and never really made it back on.
There is nothing wrong with The River Wild. And Meryl is good in it.
The most recent thing I remember that Winger was in was In Treatment.
She is more of a "natural" type of actress. I liked her in movies, and I like Meryl. I don't think they could/can do what each of them does.
This is what I like most about Datalounge. Every gay waiter and waitress who got tipped a quarter by an actor for a cup of coffee suddenly becomes the brilliant critic of that actor's life work.
Come on people. If you new anything about film, acting and the world of entertainment you wouldn't be pouring coffee for drunks at midnight.
[quote]If you new anything
not just a waiter, it sounds like a waiter at Denny's or a truckstop
In her role in Urban Cowboy, the only woman who ever turned me on.
I don't think I saw a complete Debra Winger movie asiden from Rachel Getting Married (fell asleep early on Officer & Gentleman or maybe I was just too stoned to remember it). However her couple of scenes in Rachel Getting Married convinced me all the accolades were justified. She's nothing short of brilliant, especially in the goodbye scene where Anne Hathaway is trying desperately to reach out to her and Winger carefully talks around her. Watched that scene dozens of time and still amazed at all the layers she manages to convey.
And to think what I liked best about her were her eyes...
I was fooled.
I remember when LEGAL EAGLES came out she made a comment that they would laugh at her on the set and it really annoyed her.
I remember Bette Davis liking Winger and Streep. Hepburn liked Julia Roberts.
Don't think Hepburn "liked" Roberts. She just commented that she had star quality.
Sounds like a "Lke" to me. Especially from Hep[burn who wasn't exactly gushy in her final act.
My farts smell like raisins
Mine smell like creme brulee!
R60, I remember your Debra Winger story and I f-ing LOVE IT!!!!!! I randomly remember it sometimes b/c TERMS is one of my favorite films and I always giggle.
I've never seen Urban Cowboy either! Isn't it about a mechanical bull riding contest?
R60, I would love to hear your story. I don't know why I didn't see a previous Debra Winger thread, but thank you for sharing the story again.
I know all about Deb from experience. Before we worked together in 1980, I was a complete and total pussyhound. I tapped every pussy in Hollywood. Then I worked with Debra. Oh, dear. Let's just say, my life changed in major ways after that experience.
J. Travolta, Hollywood U.S.A.
[quote]I feel Debra far more focused on the "art" and integrity of the overall film, whatever that meant to her.
Then why did she do "Black Widow" and "Legal Eagles"?
She was in the Israeli army for awhile before her career heated up.
She has a brief scene in "Thank God It's Friday" with Donna Summer in the club bathroom.
Donna hands Debra a tissue to cry into, or the other way around.
R134, I said that in response to the comparison to Streep. Like all actors, Winger did some awful roles, absolutely.
I recall reading somewhere, she was essentially "forced" into Legal Eagles by her agency.
As many have said, she definitely burned bridges. Perhaps this role was what was available to her if she was going to work; perhaps if she coveted a role, Legal Eagles was the price. Not that uncommon.
Also, I didn't want to suggest everything she ever did was for the art. Most every artist does things that sounded better at the time or were presented as one thing while turning out quite differently or just for the money. Who knows?
We do know she was volatile and ruined any chance she had at a true star career even if she had the talent, which is another topic and not everyone would agree she had such potential.
But I do see her as having loftier ideals in her overall acting choices than Streep, however reality-based they were or were not. In my opinion, she never appeared as grounded and able to see her talent through. And that was the topic I was trying to address.
Why has Shirley Jones contributed half the posts on this thread? Does she have nothing better to do than polish her 1960 Oscar and watch "The Music Man" on a constant loop?