I've never come across even one Amish male of any age who pinged, and living in PA, I've come across plenty of Amish.
What's that about?
Yes, I met one last week.
Why would a gay person stay with the Amish?
I have a friend in Western Pennsylvania who assures me that there are gay Amish men.
Probably their ability to conceal their sexuality is better than your gaydar OP.
I had one years ago..........
At a New York gay parade there was a group from Lancaster County. Their banner read "Out of the Barns and Into The Bars."
Gay Amish is very similar to Gay Mormons. Most will not mention they were brought up Amish. Lost of guilt and self torture. Most make it and liver happily, but still they keep quiet about their Amish past.
I have a gay friend that was brought up Amish. His family left the church before he came out.
I went out on a blind date with a man who's grandparents had left the Amish but still had relatives that were members. I asked him that very question, OP, thinking of my friends on DL. He responded that it was simply not possible to be gay and be Amish; it was in fact a direct contradiction. You also couldn't be celibate or stay single. The good of the community and staying a part of the Amish meant getting married to an acceptable Amish girl and having kids. He then quoted the Biblical commandment, "Be fruitful and multiply." Amish take the Bible very, very literally.
Some families would remain in some form of contact with a gay member that out of necessity left the community.
"Most make it and liver happily"
Makes a strange sense...
I know a couple of religious gays who are slowly but surely drinking themselves to death...
r8, saw them with my own eyes. Six or seven guys. Didn't have my camera.
Specifically Mormons, R12. I've known several who seem to also drink themselves to death. Reminds me of the joke: Do you you know why you don't take a Mormon fishing? He'll drink all your beer. I suppose that and suck your cock. Or perhaps, many a slip between the cup and lip?
If you're drinking Amish kool-aid, you're likely to suppress the gay, big-time.
What a miserable life.
There was no homosexuality in tribal cultures prior to the introduction of European influence. Africa and the Americas were completely gay free prior to colonization. There is zero evidence of homosexual influence in hunter gatherer/nomadic tribes to this day.
r16 has found the cure for gay.
[quote]There was no homosexuality in tribal cultures prior to the introduction of European influence. Africa and the Americas were completely gay free prior to colonization. There is zero evidence of homosexual influence in hunter gatherer/nomadic tribes to this day.
Common sense tells you there were gay people in pre-Christian African and American societies but they didn't think it was worth worrying about.
r16, what kind of "evidence" would satisfy you? 2 male skeletons in the fucking position?
R16 what a flicking douche. Ever heard of native Americans? They fucking had gay marriage. Try researching from something not written by a bible thumping republican.
^This is Datalounge!
You can say "fucking."
I have read two "gay romance novels" feauturing an Amish and an "englishman"(that is the Amish term for everyone not Amish.)The books are: "Between Two Worlds" and "Between Two Promises", by Shelter Somerset. I found the books to be very sweet, lots of drama-- hey they're gay romance novels, but definitely glad that I read them.
Aiden Cermak and Daniel Schrock are the definition of "worlds apart." It doesn't get more different than agnostic and Amish, and no one is more aware of this than Aiden. The young Chicago journalist travels to central Illinois Amish Country to research an article and ends up as a house guest of Daniel and his family after an act of bravery leaves the Schrocks in his debt. Aiden is drawn to the solemn and mysterious Daniel and decides to hang around Amish Country for a while longer, despite the risk of terrible consequences for Daniel. But Daniel's suspect sexuality might not be the only secret he's harboring, and as Aiden becomes more and more enmeshed in the community, he discovers that a hidden past may make it even harder for Daniel to face his emerging feelings. It may be impossible to build a bridge between their worlds-their only hope may be to carve out a world of their own.
I graduated high school 2006 in Michigan, my BF , me and 4 others were driving to Indy for the car race and we stopped in a totally Amish town to eat. We had great food and I was watching the guys my age in the restaurant and there were a couple of hot guys. After we ate there was a big general store we went into to check stuff out. There was a tall dark haired Amish guy about 18 working the counter. He honestly was one of the most beautiful guys I have ever seen. Amazing face, eyes, smile. You could tell he had a ripped body. I just couldn't take my eyes off of him he was so beautiful Even my BF agreed with me. The Amish dude caught me staring at him several times. He came around from the counter and down the aisle and asked if he could help us. Again catching me looking down at his impressive bulge. He smiled and laughed a bit and patted me on the back in a rubbing way, staring me deep in my eyes and said to let him know what he could do to help. Christ I wanted so bad to go off and do a 3 way with him. It was days before I could stop thinking about him. For sure one of those situations you wish you could go back in time for a re-do and not be a pussy and act on an amazing situation! He was hitting back on me for sure.
Your post gave me a boner, r23! I wonder if this guy was flirting with you, or just enjoying your attention? As best as you remember what was his height, hair/eye color?
Oldsters will tell you that there's always been gay and lesbian "friendships" in all societies. It just was whispered about and not discussed publicly, like the very common pre-marital sexual relations between heteros. Or do you think 100% of everyone was a virgin at marriage way back when?
(R23)Hi guys. I am the original poster of R23.
To answer your questions;
R-24 I am 5'10 and he was about three inches taller then me. Beautiful med brown hair, clean with some sun streaks, hazel eyes, perfect white teeth and no he smelled great. Kind of a sawdust combined with a natural sweet man odor. He had on a white short sleeve shirt and his arm and face skin was really smooth. Also he had a decent tan already. Very little hair on his arms and face. I don't think he could even grow a full beard and he was pretty much clean shaven. For SURE he was flirting with me and yeah he enjoyed the attention too. I get hit on enough to know flirting and my BF agreed with me too that he was hitting on me/us!
R-27 We were in Shipshewana. Indiana and the store was called Yoder's Hardware. Pretty cool place really!
[quote] There was no homosexuality in tribal cultures prior to the introduction of European influence. Africa and the Americas were completely gay free prior to colonization. There is zero evidence of homosexual influence in hunter gatherer/nomadic tribes to this day. [/quote]
This is a blatant falsehood. There is homosexuality in cultures, advanced and primitive, all over the world. In some cultures it's almost universally practiced, especially in places like Papua New Guinea.
[quote]There was no homosexuality in tribal cultures prior to the introduction of European influence.
This sounds like some baloney spewed by a Fundie frau.
I thought once an Amish was determined to be gay, he had to leave and was "shunned" by everyone in his community including family. They simply erased him and he went out into the world and lived among the English.
R23, I don't doubt you about your encounter and it's likely he was flirting, but I have also had an encounter with Amish and one thing that has always struck me is their simplicity and openness. They don't subscribe to the behaviors we are accustomed to.
They're warm, and kind, and without artifice. Also very literal. So if you meet a younger one, say between 17 -25, you will definitely get that flirting vibe even when it is unintentional on their part.
You should've asked him if he'd done his Rumspringa. I think that's how it's spelled. This is a voluntary "vacation" from being Amish. With young men, before they embrace the responsibilities of adulthood, they're allowed a year off to satisfy their curiosity and restlessness.
The elders believe they will return to the safety and structure and order of their community once they get this "out of their system. " They usually do. Men have a good life, unless they're gay.
Women are treated like glorified slaves. They cook and clean and breed and are very much subordinate to their husbands and fathers. They have to behave. Usually girls and boys are "guided" from adolescence about who they'll end up marrying.
R32, According to my Amish friend, it would depend on each individual family how a gay child would be treated post coming out. While he may not "be erased," after leaving the community, he would need to keep his lifestyle private. Still he might be allowed to "break bread" with his family at special times. Then again, the same would apply for anyone who's joined the English and regularly engages in radically non-Amish behavior.
Those who are members of Broke Straight Boys. BSB had a real Amish guy on his Rumspringa do several videos. He said his family was having money issues and could loose their farm so he needed cash bad to help the family. He seemed like a sweet guy and I kind of felt bad for him because he was made fun of for being Amish by the guys. His videos are worth checking out. He was filmed in December 2006 and his name was Jonah
Amish love bump
I worked in a restaurant one summer on an island off the East coast. Remember when an Amish family checked in to the hotel [attached/ upstairs] and for about 3 nights, the father would come down alone and sit at a table late in the evening. He just looked so sad and lonely. I always wondered if perhaps he was gay or certainly just needed a brief respite from the family.
R36, the older guy probably wanted to be back in the security of his community and was uncomfortable at the hotel. The other reason he could've looked sad was maybe he was on a journey that was a sad one. Maybe he was going to recover a loved one who died or something. Who the fuck knows?
Third Tribal Nation Embraces ‘Two-Spirit People’ And Passes Marriage Equality Statute
Does Lukas Haas count?
I sat behind an Amish woman on a Greyhound bus in 1975. She was talking to the non Amish woman sitting next to her. The Amish woman was expressing her disappointment in the laws that required her daughter to attend school since she could teach her so much more at home like cooking, sewing, cleaning, etc. I felt so sorry for the daughter, her future wasn't for her to decide.
No gay Amish, no sir'ee, no gay Iranians either, no ma'am.
Seriously, ten percent of all people are probably gay.
We should find someone who is gay to impersonate an Amish and go into their community and seduce closeted men, then expose them in some Anonymous best seller filled with hot, sweaty sexual encounters described in graphic details.
Of course there are. They are called "Gamish". You silly barn raising queens!
there were no gays in precolonial Africa. for religious reasons or in the quest to acquire power one can be asked by a chief priest to do anything including asking a male to lie with a male but this is kept secret. In the everyday life there were no gays.
Are they all uncut? Are they hung?
of course!! Why do you think they put Patti Lupone in "Witness"?
To appeal to the demographic.
If they're Amish, they're definitely uncut.
mmm I love some uncut meat now and again. There was a trashy series recently with a bunch of Amish kids being exposed to "the big city". There was one hot guy on there who pinged big time. Too bad he got involved with a fish but I bet he thinks about boyhole when he is pounding her vadge.
Whoever said "homosexuality did not occur in pre European African tribes" must be a plant. POSITIVE homosexual characters appear frequently in many tribes mythology.
Scott Lively is that you?
Amish Men are way sexy,,ummm
R52 - How many Amish men have you seen? Or have you just seen the movie Witness?
Maybe you can find them on Grindr, OP.
There was a gay Amish serial killer. He committed suicide in Texas a few years ago.
There most certainly were homosexuls in "tribal" America as you call it. And they were honored. What did them in, though, was the endless bickering over who had better hair and better dance moves: Sacajawea or Pocohontas.
I can't speculate as to gay Amish but I WAS cruised by a very cute,blond bearded "Old Believer" in an Aurora,OR mini-mart last summer.
I have lived near the Amish, quite often they smell bad, really bad.
r11 did you bore him do death...geeez
That Samuel Plankmaker was one hot number!
My aunt used to live in Lancaster, PA and I used to love whenever we visited her, when the local Amish guys would drop by or be doing work for her.
I know a closeted Mennonite from Lancaster County. His parents were raised plain clothes but he wasn't. Not Amish but pretty close to it.
Very valid point [R16]. I believe some tribes are even more progressive and understanding of gay rights & hermaphrodites than the overweight boogie walmart frequenting rascal scooter ridin' Americans. I think they referred to hermaphrodites as "two-spirit".
Remember the guy on "Breaking Amish" who left home with a sewing machine to design clothes in Hollywood?
A loudly pinging Mennonite.
Actually, he had TWO sewing machines. He went to party with a group of guys in the fashion industry and then deleted his personal video diary from the night.
I have a gay friend who was raised Amish.
r29. that never happened!!! had you stayed you would have been beaten to a pulp by him and the gang. you dumbass. also i checked for thst tore. no such listing. hmmmm. good imagination troll
i will say this about r23 Ricky, if you're not a writer you should be. you have a real talent for writing. i was immediately taken in by your story and wanted to hear more from you. you should write a book bro.
i still think it would be dangerous for you to flirt. glad you werent alone.
R27 and Ricky, in Season 2 of "Breaking Amish" Devon Miller, 21, (pronounced de-VAHN) was from Shipshewana.
Openly gay Amish? Almost none. Closeted gay Amish? Lots and lots.
The Amish seldom circumcise their sons.
No, because homosexuality is largely a learned behavior
Whereas for R77 being an asshole is innate.
Those tall, lanky, bearded realmen(they are all fish fuckers) give us "The Vapors"!
Jonathan Groff is NOT Amish.
Jonathan's father is Mennonite. He was raised Methodist, his mother's religion. John Wesley Shipp named for the church's founder has a Methodist minister father.