Tea Party Rejects IRS Apology, Republicans Vow Investigation
Conservative groups have rejected an Internal Revenue Service apology for unjustifiably scrutinizing tax-exempt conservative groups during the 2012 election cycle. The IRS apology has seemingly validated conservatives' fears of politically motivated regulation.
Don't these "conservative groups" consist of the same type of people who always say "if you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear" about almost every other governmental intrusion into people's lives?
This & the Benghazi shit is going to put Rs back into power in 2014 & will propel them into the Presidency.
The Ds got complacent, vindictive & corrupt and there will be hell to pay.
No, this will be forgotten soon. Who is going to vote based on some IRS investigations? No one cared about all the corrupt shit Bush's administration did, like not hiring DOJ lawyers based on political affiliation.
The Benghazi stuff might have a bigger impact, but only because it could hurt Hillary's run.
It was stupid to apologize. TEA SHOULD be scrutinized!
They just want to institute their version of Sharia law. Poke out the eyes of the reviewers is what they are looking for.
[quote]The Ds got complacent, vindictive & corrupt and there will be hell to pay.
Huh? I guess "Stop and Frisk" is only good for black youths. I mean, the GOPers are constantly breaking election laws, shouldn't we keep a very close eye on them?
Will other Americans get an IRS apology too?
r6 it has to be across the board otherwise it's considered vindictive, like when Nixon was in office & he had an enemies list, which tainted the R's for years afterwards. This is big, it fucks with Americans sense of fairness bigtime.
Dem here and I just gotta say Dems need to be equally outraged here as Repugs - why? Cause if they can to it to them, and get away with an "apology" they can do it to us.
It's a super-outrageous breach of the contract between the our gov't and ourselves to have a "neutral" executive agency (esp. one with the power of the IRS) targeting groups for extra scrutiny based on their politics. That's not he IRS's job.
Trust me just like the old maxim about the holocaust, if you don't express some outrage over this (even though the targets were lame ass freepers), next time around it will be the gays or the pro-choice groups that get targed when there's a fundie in power.
[quote]It was stupid to apologize. TEA SHOULD be scrutinized!
How utterly Nixonian of you
Defending the indefensible is the ultimate sign of stupidity
Shame they can't sue the shit out of the IRS... because they deserve it.
Nothing but pure intimidation by the IRS/govt.
Anyone liberals who are outraged at this are high-minded but misguided. The fact is that the right wing in this country does not play by any rules that do not benefit it. They will undermine and obstruct in every way possible when it suits them but then cry foul when the tables are turned. Saying that "we should all stand against this despite politics" is a nice sentiment, but is totally unrealistic when you're dealing with today's Republican party. The only thing I'm upset about is that the IRS got caught.
You don't think the GOP is compiling a list of liberal groups to tax audit the second they win the white house?
If this is covered up, that's exactly what will happen.
BOTH parties lie and cheat to keep power.
Until you see that you will remain a slave.
Read some history books, learn about economics, or shut the fuck up.
not one single tea party or patriot group was denied its tax-exempt status because of this IRS scrutiny. They might have given them a little bit of a hard time but the end result was not investigation-worthy in any way. Nothing happened.
Tea party groups are nothing but money machines for people like Jim DeMint that could find no other way to get rich. (real work is beneath people like him).
They should be investigated and stopped. I'm not a big fan of conservatives but I don't think anyone deserves to be conned.
R15 if you think the IRS giving people "a little bit of a hard time" based on their political activities is something that is "not worthy of investigation" then Jay-Z's got a time share in Cuba you might be interested in - Castro's got some policies you'd probably have no issue with at all.
Don't you get it? Freedom to practice democracy? One of the most powerful government agencies targeting groups of a particular political bent for a "hard time?"
This is not what we want in America - for any party or group to be targeted by the IRS leading up to an election - this is totally INSANE!
Do the investigation, get oversight mechanisms and watchdogs in place so it's harder to do this to anyone. Otherwise they'll just learn from this how not to get caught. Good god, this is scary.
The Tea Party is trying to defund the IRS. Something tells me this is yet another dirty trick the government learned from amoral Republicans.
You don't apologize to Republicans. They feed off weakness. It would have been better to deny...
[quote]The Rs are (as usual) vindictive & corrupt and there will be hell to pay.
That "little bit of hard time" costs hundreds of dollars an hour in legal and accounting fees. How would you feel if the next Rethuglican prez decided to investigate every left wing group, forcing many to file bankruptcy since the legal and accounting bills became so big they couldn't operate.
People like you, defending horrible things when the other side does it, make me sick.
I'll bet you don't tell your friends that Obama's drone attacks are evil, or that his defense of the PATRIOT Act and NDAA makes you sick, or that he is lying about the events at Benghazi, or that he is the pocket of Israel during the Syria attacks, etc.
"Liberal" my ass- you're just another sycophantic fool.
Why shouldn't they be investigated?
They are a crazy and possibly violent group. I am surprised that the WH does not get the FBI to watch their every move!
The Democrats should start their own investigation of anyone who is part of the TEA party!
Two can play this game.
r22 so right when the Rs come back in 2014 and take the Senate, which is a real possibility, it is extremely possibly they're taking MA with that Navy Seal guy, ESP SINCE THE BOSTON BOMBERS. Hello, did you not notice that people were screaming USA USA USA ? The game has changed, again, so when you are advocating that the D's investigate all TP/R's then when they come back to power in 2 years they will do the same thing to the left.
Drink your tea, R2.
R23, thank you! It makes me sick when people are too stupid to see that giving power to their chosen leader allows the opposition that same power to use it against them when the tide changes.
Republicans were investigating the Dems and vice versa. It was a game. That all changed when Nixon got caught and a law was passed. It needs to be enforced.
But as far as GOP withholding....didn't they put Ted Kennedy on the no-fly list? Yes, they did.
This is getting bigger by the day---now highly ranked political appointees appear to be complicit and perhaps even active in the attacks.
What makes things worse for the IRS, the US Treasury, its then-head Tim Geithner, and of course, Barack Obama, is that according to a draft report prepared by the Treasury Department's inspector general for tax administration, expected to be released this week, and seen by AP, is that senior IRS officials knew agents were targeting tea party groups as early as the spring/summer of 2011, well before the 2012 election as we announced before. What makes matters worse, is that it was not only "low-level" employees as the IRS tried to justify its prejudice on Friday, but high level personnel, among which at least one head of division that oversees tax-exempt organizations, and likely all the way to the very top, that were well aware of the witch hunt.
The IRS apologized Friday for what it acknowledged was "inappropriate" targeting of conservative political groups during the 2012 election to see if they were violating their tax-exempt status. The agency blamed low-level employees, saying no high-level officials were aware.
But on June 29, 2011, Lois G. Lerner, who heads the IRS division that oversees tax-exempt organizations, learned at a meeting that groups were being targeted, according to the watchdog's report. At the meeting, she was told that groups with "Tea Party," ''Patriot" or "9/12 Project" in their names were being flagged for additional and often burdensome scrutiny, the report says. The 9-12 Project is a group started by conservative TV personality Glenn Beck.
Attempts by the IRS to contain the fallout to lower level employees will become very complicated once it becomes public knowledge, that "on Aug. 4, 2011, staffers in the IRS' Rulings and Agreements office "held a meeting with chief counsel so that everyone would have the latest information on the issue."
But this is a very sticky problem because at a congressional hearing March 22, 2012, IRS Commissioner Douglas Shulman, who had previously stated on the record that no groups had been targeted, testified under oath as follows: "There's absolutely no targeting. This is the kind of back and forth that happens to people" who apply for tax-exempt status, Shulman said at the House Ways and Means subcommittee hearing."
What makes it even worse is that it was not just some radical conservative groups that had been targeted.
On Jan, 25, 2012, the criteria for flagging suspect groups was changed to, "political action type organizations involved in limiting/expanding Government, educating on the Constitution and Bill of Rights, social economic reform/movement," the report says.
So, by implication those who still believe in the Constitution and the Bill of Rights are if not enemies of the US, then certainly subject to far more scrutiny by the country's tax collectors?
Needless to say, the fury among republicans in Congress is palpable:
Rep. Charles Boustany, R-La., chairman of the House Ways and Means Committee's oversight subcommittee, said the report "raises serious questions as to who at IRS, Treasury and in the administration knew about this, why this practice was allowed to continue for as long as it did, and how widespread it was."
"This timeline reveals at least two extremely unethical actions by the IRS. One, as early as 2010, they targeted groups for political purposes. Two, they willfully and knowingly lied to Congress for years despite being aware that Congress was investigating this practice," Boustany said.
"This is an outrageous abuse of power. Going after organizations for referencing the Bill of Rights or expressing the intent to make this country a better place is repugnant," Boustany added. "There is no excuse for this behavior."
I must say that the only thing better than seeing the DemoNcratic Party destroyed by these (and myriad other) revelations would be for them to take the ReThugLican party down with them, destroying forever the evil that sucks life and liberty residing comfortably (for now) in Mordor on the Potomac and Hades on Wall Street.
Holder was spying on reporters?!
All of this has helped Republicans prove to the American people that their fantasies in regards to 'evil Barack' are founded.
The ACLU has now taken to the airwaves, and has announced that they will be going after the administration for this, saying that this is the stuff of nightmares.
The no government no taxes Tea Party is in a snit because the IRS investigated them? What a bunch of whiney little bitches.
The Republican panic is just getting more and more tiresome. Again, the outrage, the scare tactics--they're just the boys who cried wolf now. The desperation and flop sweat is palpable.
This just cracks me up:
"Freedom to practice democracy? One of the most powerful government agencies targeting groups of a particular political bent for a "hard time?"
This is not what we want in America - for any party or group to be targeted by the IRS leading up to an election - this is totally INSANE!"
Bush did all of this and more to silence those who opposed the wars when they started. The old nuns who weren't allowed on planes because they were pacifist, leaking Valerie Plume's identity... I can't even begin to list all the ways BushCo demolished what little left of democracy existed in this country. Of course you assholes always cry about being victimized when your own shit comes back to haunt you. Live by fascist tactics, die by them. Again, republic victimhood is just as annoying as a broken record.
And Bitch, don't give me that lame Cuba shit. Cuba was the U.S. Mafia's whorehouse and the revolution would not have succeeded if the middle class hadn't gone along with the revolt. And I place the blame on the subsequent fuck up of Cuba on the U.S. If they had recognized/accepted Castro, pretty much all the shit that happened afterwards could have been prevented. But no. The goverment had to protect the interests of the criminals who ran the big time casinos. Because that's what "capitalism" is all about, right? Letting criminals dictate policy.
I bet you are some poor pathetic Alpha 66 whore. Are you proud that some of the Watergate burglars were Bay of Pigs losers?
It wasn't just the Tea Party that was singled out. Jewish group were as well, you bone smokers.
Liberal churches were singled out as well.
r33, do you have a link?
[quote]The no government no taxes Tea Party is in a snit because the IRS investigated them? What a bunch of whiney little bitches.
I'm going to play devil's advocate here, wouldn't you be upset if liberal groups were being monitored by the IRS? I'm just saying. Let's try to be objective.
The IRS went after the NAACP because they deigned to criticize Bush. Where was the outrage then?
A lot of churches have been singled out over the years due to questions regarding their tax exempt status. Nixon was going to be impeached in part due to his illegal use of the IRS. R37 stupid piss drinker.
I am constantly amazed at how democrats, who consider themselves enlightened, refuse to engage in discussions or recognize any ideals held by anyone remotely contrary to their own. It reeks of simple-mindedness. There are always two sides to any argument ladies.
Keep asking the question, R36, even though none of the freepers here will touch it.
R40, that is my problem with this whole imbroglio
No, idiot at R39, there are not always two sides to every argument.
As for the current dust up - meh.
These Tea Bagger/Patriot groups are political and routinely violate their tax-exempt status requirements. They deserve extra scrutiny and should always get extra scrutiny from the IRS.
Other groups, let's say groups on the left who are political and violate their tax-exempt status, should also always be subject to extra scrutiny.
What alarms me most about this story is that even with additional investigation, these groups were all granted tax-exempt status. That is the real scandal here and the IRS ought to answer for it.
Andrea Mitchell said on Morning Joe that this is one of the biggest white house scandals she has ever covered in all her years as a reporter.
I could provide a video clip, but no one here would like the source.
Ah, what the hell! Watch it if you want. If not, ignore it.
Good for you, R35, R39 and R43 (and trolldar shows they are different posters) for recognizing that this mess is a much bigger deal than the partisan Obamaphiles realize.
This IRS scandal, plus the changing story on Benghazi, the politically motivated spying on the AP reporters, as well as the NDAA and drone attacks and Patriot Act extension should be enough to wake any REAL liberal up to the dangerous path the Democratic party is pursuing.
Numerous REAL liberals- Gleen Greenwald being the most obvious and courageous- have seen through Obama's slick rhetoric and realized he is just Bush 3.0 and will do what his masters in the banking, corporate and military world tell him to do.
Until REAL liberals wake up and smell the fascism then they will continue to destroy our civil liberties and ruin the future of our country.
Lest any Rethuglicans cry "I told you so" the GOP is no better. Our government is controlled by the Power Elite and we are just serfs. Once you wake up to that fact, then REAL change can begin.
"have seen through Obama's slick rhetoric and realized he is just Bush 3.0."
And I guess the black version is the only one that going to get punished for it?
The Republicans WANTED the President to do this. Just not a black Democratic president. Again, the recurring Republican meme is how Obama is even worse than Bush. But they created and empowered Bush, and when BushCo outed Valerie Plame because she wasn't towing the party line, created no fly lists, held people for months and YEARS at a time without habeus corpus, tortured people and created an ILLEGAL WAR in the name of Halliburton--they barely got a slap in the wrist.
And they've been doing these dirty tricks for DECADES. Oh, but now it's biting them on the ass. And now, something must be done about it because their own dirty tricks are being done to them. Ah, cry me a river.
I have no illusions about Obama being a saint. He ISN'T. But politics has been a dirty game since it's inception, and the Republicans have made it dirtier. And FINALLY, the dirt is sticking to them.
You're 95% right. Bush should have been impeached, imprisoned, tried and if found guilty executed for his war crimes against humanity.
A truly patriotic person would support bringing any surviving members of the Reagan, Bush1, Clinton, Bush2 and Obama administrations to court for crimes against humanity, and if found guilty punished by public execution as an example of what happens when you murder millions of innocent people.
Too bad most people are too partisan to endorse such justice since it would mean admitting "their party" was just as evil as the other.
The Republicans will go nowhere but to the fundraising bank with this. It is all high dudgeon and cash ans more of the same "get the nigger" attitude.
Benghazi is nothing more than a shot across the prow for Hillary. But the Republicans will nominate another unelectable candidate so it will be EIGHT MORE YEARS OF DEMOCRAT GOVERNANCE!!!
It will rival the Roosevelt years.
So they're going to start a war and destroy the economy? YIKES!
Too many "scandals" at once. The public is not interested. Bengazi, IRS and AP-DOJ news not breaking the top 10 of emailed news stories except at Yahoo News which is a conservative haven.
All the American public cares about is the ever shrinking access to the American Dream.
Why is the access to the American Dream shrinking, R50?
Could it be because the Federal Reserve and TBTF banks, along with the MegaCorps and Military contractors that control the government are sucking all the money up?
R47, it must be so simple to live in your world, in which you can summarily judge every single member of the executive branch to be guilty of high crimes and misdemeanors. Everything is so clear, so obvious, so black and white to a person like you. It must be so easy to see things without any sense of nuance at all.
Irony tends to be lost on people with such stark world views, but if you're capable of it, you might realize that you're demonstrating the very binary thinking that you rail against. You, too, have chosen partisanship, but you're a partisan of one.
There's you, the paragon of morality who just happens to advocate the public slaughter of every executive official of the past thirty-two years. And then there's everyone else, who just can't live up to those high moral standards.
[quote]The no government no taxes Tea Party is in a snit because the IRS investigated them?
Tea Party groups had to fill out some questionnaires. Hardly an investigation.
Much ado about nothing.
[quote] Watch it if you want. If not, ignore it.
A link to Newsbusters? I think I'll ignore it. Whenever stuff like this hits, there are always the posters who insist "...but I'm not a freeper. Honestly, I'm not" while linking to right-wing websites.
That must be the sickest, saddest thing I've ever read here.
So, you're defending the murder of millions of people by our masters in Washington, DC?
Please explain why you think that "partisan"? I think both parties have engaged in mass murder of innocent people who posed no harm to them, and that such criminal behavior deserves severe punishment.
You are one sick motherfucking bastard. If they decide to kill your stupid ass with an unmanned drone I will not weep for you.
The video is the video, r54.
Don't be such a delicate flower.
This is the text at the NEWSBUSTERS link.
President Obama knows he's in trouble when Andrea Mitchell—Andrea Mitchell!—proclaims the IRS and AP scandals to be among "the most outrageous excesses I've seen" in all her years in journalism [which pre-date Watergate]. The strength of Mitchell's statement drew gasps from Scarborough and Brzezinski. Then Ron Fournier, former AP editor now with the National Journal, darkly described the White House being "consumed" if it turns out someone there or in the Obama campaign had been aware of the IRS targeting of conservative groups. It happened on Morning Joe today.
But hey, President Obama still has his hangers-on. Take good old Carl Bernstein. As we reported, on yesterday's Morning Joe Bernstein blathered that he "can't imagine" that President Obama could be involved in the IRS mess. And there was Bernstein again today. When Fournier spoke of consequences of White House or Obama campaign knowledge of the IRS targeting, Bernstein quickly burped out that "we have no evidence of that whatsoever." Joe Scarborough had to remind the former Watergate reporter: "that's why you have investigations. You know that." View the video after the jump.
The more I think about what R52 wrote, the sicker I feel.
How many people agree with her?
If I had murdered one person, or even asked someone else to murder someone, let alone murdering millions of innocent people, I would never sleep again. The guilt would eat me alive.
The fact that someone can defend this kind of mass murder turns my stomach. I hope I never meet anyone like you, R52.
Huffington Post highlights right wing sites all the time.
Why bother searching for the video some place else just to please r54.
POLITICO – Larry Conners, a veteran local news anchor at KMOV Channel 4 in St. Louis, says that the Internal Revenue Service has been targeting him since an April 2012 interview he conducted with President Obama — a fact that he dismissed as coincidence until the recent reports about the IRS targeting conservative groups.
“Shortly after I did my April 2012 interview with President Obama, my wife, friends and some viewers suggested that I might need to watch out for the IRS. I don’t accept ‘conspiracy theories’, but I do know that almost immediately after the interview, the IRS started hammering me,” Connors wrote on his Facebook page late Monday night.
Connors did not specify how the IRS has been “hammering” him. He did not immediately respond to a request for clarification.
According to his account, his questions for Obama touched on the economy and spending but were not exceptional in nature. But following “allegations that the IRS focused on various groups and/or individuals questioning or criticizing government spending, taxes, debt or how the government is run,” Connors now believes there may be a possible connection.
“Can I prove it? At this time, no,” he wrote. “But it is a fact that since that April 2012 interview … the IRS has been pressuring me.”
Oh R2, you can't be so naive as to think this country gives a shit about the tea party or Benghazi.
You're kind of a moron for thinking most sane people are voting based on either.
This thing has special prosecutor written all over it.
[quote] This thing has special prosecutor written all over it.
The IRS is SUPPOSED to scrutinize organizations requesting tax-exempt status that are overtly political in nature. And if you have "Tea Party" in your name, then you don't deserve a 501c-ANYTHING exemption, because you are ALL about partisan politics..
Put your politics aside r65.
The IRS can't insist on 2 to 3 yr anal probes for conservative political groups while at the same time giving liberal political groups nothing but the green light.
And that's exactly what the IRS did and that's criminal.
No, R66, that is NOT what they did:
[bold] IRS Sent Same Letter to Democrats That Fed Tea Party Row [/bold]
That's exactly what they did, and it's also why Obama got his ass on TV at 6pm tonight and said the acting IRS commissioner has resigned.
It's also why Eric Holder has started a criminal investigation, but it's not going to be enough.
This whole thing is going to the FBI and a special prosecutor, and then some IRS employees are going to prison.
Bullshit R68. Now back to Free Republic with you.
Democrats should care about this. Is this what we've become? people with no more ethics than the evil republicans?? I'm sorry, I'm not accepting unethical behavior from this administration because I'm a democrat and democrats put principle above politics.
I would like to find the people responsible for this at the IRS and kick their asses personally, if only because now those damn demons in the Tea Party are being treated like VICTIMS. Those lowlife, scummy shitbags have been handed a fucking victory because of this and it just makes me fucking sick. And I'm so tired of listening to the media describe them as "anti-government." They are NOT, nor have they ever been, anti-government. They are just ANTI-OBAMA and did not give a flying fuck when W and his overlord Cheney were using the Constitution for toilet paper for two terms straight. Give me a fucking break.
Are you just being willfully ignorant 69?
Obama went on TV tonight and announced the resignation of the IRS commissioner.
Said the country has every right to be angry.
The Justice department, led by Holder, has started a criminal investigation.
None of that is bullshit. But, if you wish to live on Fantasy Island, go right ahead.
Will so enjoy seeing your head explode when a special prosecutor is appointed!!
Hillary is behind all of this, not Benghazi but the IRS leak & the AP reporters scandal.
Andrea Mitchell is the only reporter who goes home and sucks Wall Street cock. Her opinion, actually sucks more than she does.
And lest we forget, the IRS hated the gay rights movement. And we hated them. They denied us for FUCKING DECADES.
The old IRS building in Hollywood is now the LAGLC. Yes, we bought their fucking building!
Go do something like THAT Tea Tards!
But for now, STFU.
THIS is why the IRS investigation will bite Obama in his ass---
Lois Lerner, the senior IRS official at the center of the decision to target tea party groups for burdensome tax scrutiny, signed paperwork granting tax-exempt status to the Barack H. Obama Foundation, a shady charity headed by the president’s half-brother that operated illegally for years.
According to the organization’s filings, Lerner approved the foundation’s tax status within a month of filing, an unprecedented timeline that stands in stark contrast to conservative organizations that have been waiting for more than three years, in some cases, for approval.
Lerner also appears to have broken with the norms of tax-exemption approval by granting retroactive tax-exempt status to Malik Obama’s organization.
The National Legal and Policy Center filed an official complaint with the IRS in May 2011 asking why the foundation was being allowed to solicit tax-deductible contributions when it had not even applied for an IRS determination. In a New York Post article dated May 8, 2011, an officer of the foundation admitted, “We haven’t been able to find someone with the expertise” to apply for tax-exempt status.
Nevertheless, a month later, the Barack H. Obama Foundation had flown through the grueling application process. Lerner granted the organization a 501(c) determination and even gave it a retroactive tax exemption dating back to December 2008.
The group’s available paperwork suggests an extremely hurried application and approval process. For example, the group’s 990 filings for 2008 and 2009 were submitted to the IRS on May 30, 2011, and its 2010 filing was submitted on May 23, 2011.
Lerner signed the group’s approval [pdf] on June 26, 2011.
It is illegal to operate for longer than 27 months without an IRS determination and solicit tax-deductible contributions.
The ostensibly Arlington, Va.-based charity was not even registered in Virginia despite the foundation’s website including a donation button that claimed tax-exempt status.
Its president and founder, Abon’go “Roy’ Malik Obama, is Barack Obama’s half-brother and was the best man at his wedding, but he has a checkered past. In addition to running his charity, Malik Obama ran unsuccessfully to be the governor of Siaya County in Kenya. He was accused of being a wife beater and seducing the newest of his twelve wives while she was a 17-year-old school girl.
Sensing something wrong when he and a group of Missouri State students visited Kenya in 2009, Ken Rutherford, winner of the 1997 Nobel Peace Prize for his work on banning landmines, determined that Malik Obama was an “operator” and elected to give a donation of 400 pounds of medical supplies to a local clinic instead.
“We didn’t know what he was going to do with them,” Rutherford told the New York Post in 2011.
It is also not clear what the Barack H. Obama Foundation actually does. Its website claims the organization has built a madrassa and was building a imam’s house but there is no other evidence that the nonprofit was actually helping poor Kenyan children.
“The Obama Foundation raised money on its web page by falsely claiming to be a tax deductible. This bogus charity run by Malik had not even applied and yet subsequently got retroactive tax-deductible status,” Ken Boehm, chairman of the National Legal and Policy Center, told The Daily Caller. Boehm described Malik Obama’s attempt to raise money as constituting “common law fraud and potentially even federal mail fraud.”
Boehm doubted that the charity is doing what it says it’s doing and wondered why the charity was given tax-exempt status so quickly after the evidence of wrongdoing came to light.
“How do you get retroactive tax-exempt status when you haven’t even applied to get it in the first place?” Boehm said.
Lerner continues to draw fire for her handling of the IRS targeting of conservative and citizen groups, but her colleagues have started to defend her, alleging that she behaves “apolitically.”
Larry Noble, who served as general counsel at the FEC from 1987 to 2000, hired a
Obama himself targeted the Koch brothers...
and the fish rots from the head down!
Someone SHOULD target the Koch brothers. With an AR-15.
How democratic of you
I'd like to target the Koch brothers with my boot up their asses.
The IRS didn't go far enough with these Tea Party groups. All of their applications should have ben denied.
Because they're republicans who give money to conservative organizations?
Does the right get to shoot Warren Buffet?
no, R80. Because they are the asshats that bankrolled the whole "Tea Party" movement that is dragging this country through the mud. Because they and their ilk want to take this country back to the days before workers had any rights and protections, and before tehy were able to make a living wage.
IRS official in charge during tea party targeting now runs health care office.
Completely illegal, r81
And a constitutional lawyer should know that!
I'm not a constitutional lawyer R83. And In was responding to the poster about my previous comment about wishing someone would target the Koch brothers with an AR-15.
I was referring to Obama....
you know, the man who's supposed to be some kind of expert on constitutional law.
Nobody said a word when The Bush admin was targeting liberals for their 8 year reign of terror. The teatards need to stfu and go away.
These people already have a persecution complex. It was shortsighted to give them this kind of ammunition when they had been all but decimated.
Chris Matthews is already saying that Obama is responsible for all of it.
All political groups should have their applications denied and all political groups who already have the tax exemption should be re-examined with a fucking microscope and have their exemption revoked.
I am sick to death of groups like Crossroads and Organizing for America, who are both obviously political organizations, being given tax-exempt status in clear violation of the law.
Nah, R87. The teahadists need to be called out and scrutinized more, in all walks of life. Until every last one of them goes back under the rock they crawled out from under.
Maybe all political groups should have their tax exempt status revoked?
Only if the IRS wants to operate within the confines of the law, R91.
Lets investigate how many billions Bush, Cheney and Powell all pocketed from lying to America and starting a senseless war that slaughtered thousands of Americans.
Ok then all 501.c(3) & (4)'s should be subjected to long investigations unilaterally, the 4's seem to be a problem (ie money laundering operations).
That is what is fucked up about this, the R's got most of their apps subjected to the long investigations, even including what they read, etc, and most of the D orgs did not.
We need to have fairness across the board.
are you referring to the wars that Obama has intensified during his reign? Or the new ones he has started in Libya and Syria?
Not ONE organization that applied was denied status. No crime was committed. NEXT!
Giving retroactive tax-exempt status to Obama's brother's organization is clearly illegal, and should be on the front page of the NYTimes.
[quote]not one single tea party or patriot group was denied its tax-exempt status because of this IRS scrutiny.
So what is all the screeching about then? There should probably be a lot more screwy groups scrutinized. Let'e start with the hate-mongering, homophobic evangelical churches who spread their bile internationally under the guise of helping the poor.
a big chunk just gave up, doofus at r96.
anal probe, submit, wait 6 months to a yr.
then IRS demands another anal probe, submit, wait another 8 months.
back again for 3rd anal probe(excuse me, information), submit, wait and wait and wait.
Aww shit, FORGET IT.
More conservative groups received extra scrutiny but liberal groups received the same letters and requests for further documentation.
One liberal group was denied tax-exempt status. All of the conservative groups were granted tax-exempt status.
Every single one of these political groups should be denied tax-exempt status. They don't qualify for it.
Let's see, r98.
Obama's half brother - 3 months AND retroactive status
Liberal organizations - little to some paperwork, 4-6 months.
Conservative organizations - anal probes, 2 to 3 yrs or until they give up
Asking ONLY conservative groups for lists of donors, volunteers, who they associate with, etc.
Does any of that sound like equal treatment under the law?
Conservative groups don't deserve equal treatment. Especially if they are teatards.
Where was the protest when the IRS was monitoring the NAACP, R101?
Just shut up!! You're not doing our side any favors.
You're either ignorant or a troll(repug plant).
[bold] When the IRS targeted liberals [/bold]
They should investigate themselves for sedition against the government.
Anal probes, r101?? You wish! It would be your last faint hope of ever getting anything dick-like anywhere close to your scary man-snatch.
What is OUR side?
So, when Rethugs take control of the gov and decide to persecute liberal orgs we should just shut up and say "well, we did it to them!" and drop it?
Some of the people who deny this is a serious fucking scandal need to think about the precedent it sets.
Wow, it really surprises me so many here think this is not a big deal. It's a HUGE f'ing deal. the IRS needs to be abolished, period. No governmental agency should have the power to strike fear in the hearts of it's constituents. And before you say not true, do you welcome a call from the IRS? No matter how in order you think things are, they will find something. It's frightening.
Nothing to hide = nothing to fear, R109.
Well from Salon it says that the IRS picked on smaller groups and that bigger ones did not get picked on. Further the IRS has had budget cuts so they decided to take shortcuts and lump things together, hence the TP, conservatives getting more of the problems from the IRS.
And none of this should be an excuse for this administration! None!
You mean the Republicans starved the IRS budget and the IRS agents did what to whom?
Oh, Mary, unclutch the pearls...
There's an air of hysteria about these threads.
I see nothing wrong with the IRS investigating these so called tax exempt groups. I wish I could care that the tea party got looked at but I really don't. Tea Party people are filled with so many insane people like Nugent, I don't blame anyone for giving them special attention.
Does the American public really care about this? From what I can tell the only thing the public got excited about this week was Angelina Jolie's double mastectomy.
Rethugs need to stop foaming at the mouth over this. Very unbecoming.
That also said that the sequester starved the IRS but wasn't that also Barak's baby? Automatic cuts?
That's just it, R90. They HAD gone under the rock from whence they came. The 2012 election was essentially a message from America that The Tea Party was ovah. Tea Party folks had been effectively branded as kooks, bigots and/or morons. Even Republicans who initially courted them didn't want to be associated with them anymore.
A heavy handed approach by the government was unnecessary; it only fed their persecution complex and now serves as a rallying point.
The next time the Rethugs are in power and use the IRS (or CIA, or ATF, or DEA) to target progressive groups, I hope every poster on this thread that has dismissed this as "just desserts" for the Tea Party remembers how they defended the government going after "the enemy" and doesn't bitch and moan because their favorite group was crushed by relentless paperwork and threats of jail.
If the IRS did this to the NAACP the media would be calling for public executions.
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