Actress Margaret Cho says John Travolta is ‘Oscar Wilde gay’ and he would be ‘happier’ out of the closet
The 44-year-old, who starred with Travolta in the 1997 movie Face/Off, speculated about his sexuality in a series of jokes during a recent comedy performance in Australia.
“I’m going to get in trouble but I’ll just tell you,” she said to the crowd. “He is so gay. John Travolta is so gay.”
“He’s not just gay. He doesn’t just like men. He is like Oscar Wilde gay…like Lord Byron gay,” she told a shocked audience.
“That kind of crazy, incredibly flamboyant gay… I know him well because I did a movie with him and worked with him for a year.”
Claiming the 59-year-old father of three would be “happier” out of the closet she went on to say: “I feel bad for him; because I know he would be much happier if he could just come out,” before adding: “But he can’t.”
Travolta, who has been married to Kelly Preston since 1991, had two sexual harassment lawsuits filed against him last year by male masseurs, both of which were eventually dropped.
In September 2012, pilot Doug Gotterba claimed to have had a secret six year affair with the actor.
A spokesperson for Travolta quickly moved to dismiss the claims made in the National Enquirer.
Travolta has always strongly denied all accusations regarding his sexuality.
"Shocked audience"? Who was she talking to, an audience of elderly cloistered nuns?
[quote]Travolta has always strongly denied all accusations regarding his sexuality.
Maybe I'm being a delicate flower, but I hate this sentence. They make it sound like he's being accused of a serious crime.
Uh oh. Is the Co$ going to whack Margaret Cho now?
`Lord Byron gay` She means Travolta is bi then.
If the audience was shocked, it was more likely due to the fact that she was being so candid and direct about the worst kept secret in Hollywood.
While Travolta is definitely gay, it's not Margaret Cho's place to out him or tell him to live his life.
No woman should ever go around saying this guy is gay and should come out because women have no clue of what the gay male experience is like so thry should keep their mouths shut
Women get ahead with the double standard that it's OK for women to be gay/bi but not men
Just like Cho and her so called bisexuality who benefits from this double standard
[quote] male masseurs
There's no such thing as a female masseur.
I think Margret just feels heartbroken for him R6. Travolta could get criminal charges for harassment if someone wanted to push it that far. He is doing himself no favors.
Now if he is just a predator who enjoys forcing himself on people who can't say no that is a different matter. But if he is a frustrated guy in the closet who is trying to hookup in secret cause he can't be open, that is heartbreaking to someone who gives a shit about him.
Cho has been in and around the gay community all her life. She is very open about her attraction toward women. It is not her fault if society doesn't give her the same shit for it that men get. She is pro gay. She stands with us. I think she cares about seeing Travolta in pain and fucking up his life.
Let's see if she's forced to take it back.
Margaret Cho used to date Chris Isaak. She has stated numerous times that he is very well-endowed. Lucky woman. I wonder if she blew him.
I agree with R6
"I think she cares about seeing Travolta in pain and fucking up his life."
Maybe, But she's also a comedian who hasn't been in the news in a while.
R6 and R11, she can say whatever she wants.
Why should she be part of a charade?
At what point do you just throw your hands up and just let these closet cases be? Obviously someone like JT is in a completely different category than someone who is glass closeted so we can assume he's got major issues. If he wants to be miserable, well that's his problem. However, if he's a predator than the law should intervene.
[quote]"Shocked audience"? Who was she talking to, an audience of elderly cloistered nuns?
No, she was talking to Australians...which are about as conservative as elderly cloistered nuns.
It's more disappointing she says he's flamboyant. I was hoping for masculine and "straight-acting"
They would have lynched her if she said that about Hugh Jackman.
I'm relevant! I'm relevant! Hey, everybody!! Look over here! See?!? I'm still really edgy! I'll just, I'll just say it like it ISSSS!
Somebody get me a reality show!
Scientology would "eliminate" Travolta if he ever came out.
Margaret Cho does not understand how this Cult works.
Is she still playing the bi card? Has she ever had a gf?
Could not agree more with R6.
This would be seen as misogynistic bullying if it were a man calling out a woman, closeted or not.
Yeah, we ALL know (or suspect) Travolta is gay. Cho is simply hungry for a bit of attention and, yes, it's really none of her fucking business to out him. He's committed no crime, other than being likely a severely closeted gay man... which is no crime.
r6 Exactly. You're totally right. She should just keep her fucking mouth shut.
Margaret Cho says something that Datalounge - and half the entertainment gossip media - has agreed upon and stated for years and years.
Datalounge turns on her for saying it because she's a woman.
You nutjobs would be hilarious if you weren't so sad.
r13 It's not a charade just because you say it's a charade. Margaret Cho has no business meddling in JT's life. I doubt she realizes just how disrespectful she is.
r23 [quote]Datalounge turns on her for saying it because she's a woman.
No, it's because it's none of her business!
We would never say bad things about John Travolta! Ever.
Misogynist bullying? I don't think you know what misogyny is.
Bullshit. A man who makes his living as a public figure who rather wrecklessly conducts his private life and then lies about it is no sacred cow. The more people like him are outed, then better for those who are gay and discriminated against.
If you want to live in closet (and thereby hurt your fellow man) then live a quite life- not one in the public spotlight. The fact that he has to lie to "defend" himself tell you all you need to know.
What people might have found surprising is that JT is a flamboyant homo in private. It would be so much fun if he came out and revealed his inner Liberace.
R23 has severe daddy issues.
Uses the "just because I'm/she's a woman" play at every chance.
We're not buying your tired strawwoman bullshit anymore. Now move it along toots.
Calling a man gay is the same as calling a woman a whore.
Carrie Fisher has said it before. Calm down, girls!
[quote]We would never say bad things about John Travolta! Ever.
OH, MY SIDES!!!!!!!!!!
[quote]`Lord Byron gay` She means Travolta is bi then.
I don't mind her speaking about Travolta, but do mind that she's not really bright enough to be able to muster a more accurate reference.
Everybody knows about this by now, somehow I don't feel it's Margaret Cho or any other fellow celebrity to do the job and out him. He's been outed countless times by the press anyway. Gutter press, sure, but press anyway.
I'm not really in favor of publicly outing anyone besides closeted Republicans, religious fundamentalists, and others of that ilk who actively work to oppress gay people. That said, I would not find Margaret Cho's remarks about John Travolta any more or less offensive had a gay man said them. (And I doubt I'd have to look all that hard to find incidences of men making insinuations about closeted lezzies without getting accused of "misogynistic bullying.")
Knowing Chris Isaak, I find it very difficult to imagine her having ever seen his dick Of course I have heard her mention him in romantic sense early in her stand up career, but I was all but positive that they are merely good friends and some license was taken by Cho.
Maybe she's saying this with John's blessing. Maybe. Small steps and
You do realize that her understudy, Kim Jong-un, was the one who said this, don't you?
OK, let's get this clear:
1. Being gay is not something for gay people or anyone else to consider controversial.
2. Celebrities are not a protected class of people. They are public people and discussion of their lives is a free-market enterprise.
3. Travolta has shown many times, in many circumstances, the proof of Cho's claim (pertaining to his same-sex orientation, regardless of the possibility of bisexuality somewhere in the mix.
4. Since there is nothing wrong with being gay, "outing" a celebrity is not inherently wrong.
5. Closeted people do themselves and others harm by perpetuating prejudice and misunderstanding. If all gay entertainers came out, very few careers would be affected.
6. Cho may be a publicity bitch, a nut, a sincere friend, or anything else. It is irrelevant to the subject. However, doing this does fit her persona and past. It is not an unusual act for her.
R23, your "analysis" doesn't get you beyond the first two syllables of the word. Playing misogyny with every criticism of a woman is a cunt's game, you cunt. And do note that I support Cho in this. I simply do not support you.
Plus your tired, stupid, reflexive, school-girl "would be hilarious if you weren't so sad" marks you as one of those miserable, unintelligent, uncreative things that lazily drifts through life with a chip on your shoulder and a fog in your brain.
Fuck you, cunt.
I don't know why R6 is going off on Margaret Cho when others have outed Travolta in more public settings to wider audiences. Ricky Gervais joked about it in his opening monologue at the Golden Globes. And Carrie Fisher's comments...
1. People are entitled to have their privacy respected and not to be used as political pawns. The issue is not whether there is something wrong with being gay. The issue is that being out has all sorts of consequences, personally, professionally and religiously, and it is up to the individual to decide how he or she wants to handle it.
2. We are making tremendous progress by coming out. It does not depend on forcing other people to come out. It never did.
3. Our rights as gay people are not necessarily the number one priority of everyone who is gay. That is OK.
r39 stands revealed as the sad little nutjob he is.
r29, the only daddy issue I have is that I like to fuck the ones who go to the gym on a regular basis.
R39 Maybe you can answer a question which has been bugging me for the longest time. If all your bullet points are correct, why for the love of god, do gay people feel the need to state and provide proof that "this isn't a choice!!I was born this way!! Do you think I would put myself through this hell if I could change it?"
To me, if it is a way one chooses to live their life, the constitutional guarantees should still apply. If it is as normal as heterosexuality, why do so many whine about having no choice???
I can say it is a choice for many women, and god didn't make me gay or straight, mostly because there is no god...but that's a whole other subject.
What do you think?
[quote]Datalounge turns on her for saying it because she's a woman.
You nutjobs would be hilarious if you weren't so sad.
Somewhere, an iVillage is missing its idiot.
[quote]Carrie Fisher has said it before. Calm down, girls!
Carrie Fisher just made a comment. I still didn't agree with her outing another celeb but Carrie didn't make a show of it. Margaret Cho is using him as a joke to further her show.
Doesn't Travolta get like several million dollars per film? Guy has been rich and famous and living the good life for decades. You act like she's killing travolta's kids or something. CHILL THE FUCK OUT.
If he wants to reap the benefits of being a rich and famous movie star, then he has to take the bad crap that comes with it as well. It's that simple. Not to mention, he whores out his family every chance he gets. What does he honestly expect?
It's also hilarious how quickly you sad little flyovers all leap to the idea that anyone who might not hate women must be a woman, r44.
You mouthbreathers have no idea how you sound to the rest of the world.
[quote] If all your bullet points are correct, why for the love of god, do gay people feel the need to state and provide proof that "this isn't a choice!!I was born this way!! Do you think I would put myself through this hell if I could change it?"
Not R39, but I can answer this. 1) Because people like you have made and continue to make life very difficult for gay people. 2) Because the entire basis for repression of gay people is the mistaken belief that being gay is a choice and therefore can be called a sin.
I eat shit and am too stupid to understand that this a GAY GOSSIP forum.
I think that swf was trying to say that if being gay was hypothetically a choice, it wouldn't matter anyway because we'd still be deserving of constitutional guarantees.
r48 explains why it's more complicated than that.
" You act like she's killing travolta's kids or something."
And I know for a fact John doesn't need her help doing that.
How the fuck could anyone "out" Travolta in this day and age? Fucker has inadvertently flown the coop long ago!
"While Travolta is definitely gay, it's not Margaret Cho's place to out him or tell him to live his life."
How can she "out" him when he's already been outed dozens of times?
I don't get why DLers are shitting on Margaret for saying the same kinds of things that we all post here. Rashida Jones also got heat here for saying that Revolta is gay although, again, she wasn't saying anything that hasn't been posted here 10,000 times. When did it become a crime to say that a gay person is gay?
Because DL is CHOCK FULL o' closet cases.
r53. Look for commonalities between Rashida Jones and Margaret Cho and there's your answer.
I don't understand the flap about this, either. The only thing, besides my previously stated disappointment in her uneducated Byron reference, that I can see to object to is using anyone else's life to boost your profile--celebrity famewhoredom is being more than tiresome, and I frankly always thought Cho was one of the worst about it. Anyway, I don't know that Travolta needs some special respect, sorry. Besides, there's nothing disrespectful about calling someone gay, and if he wanted to dispute it, he'd simply say he wasn't. As in say so himself. Standing behind spokespeople or CoS staff doesn't help.
"People are entitled to have their privacy respected and not to be used as political pawns"
Yeah, remember when the media respected Arnold's privacy by not revealing that he had a kid with his maid? Or when they respected Tiger Woods' privacy by not exposing him as a serial adulterer? Why is it that we can talk about the hetero exploits of various celebs but homosexuality is something we cannot discuss?
It's funny how when Jason Collins came out some people were saying stuff like "It's not our business that he's gay!" - but of course if he had announced that he had 10 different kids with 10 different women no one would be saying it's not our business. If he had announced that he was dating a famous Hollywood actress no one would say it's not our business.
In Denmark, parents must choose from a government-approved list of 7,000 names. If they want to go "off-list", they have to get permission from a local church. About 1,100 names are reviewed every year, and 15 percent to 20 percent are rejected, mostly for odd spellings.
R39, #4 is completely wrong. Unless they set laws, you nor anyone, have a right to out them. You might be jealous of their wealth, but that certainly doesn't give you a right to their life. They are not meddling in yours unlike politicians.
Perhaps R59 should look up the meaning of "right."
No dog in this fight, just being pedantic like the Lord Byron hall monitor.
I think the accusations made against him by the "masseurs" have all been set up by his Sciento over lords to keep him in line. Some how he gets the idea that these guys are interested in playing "games". They are probably Sciento plants. Just like the pilot, who claims to have had a six year sexual relationship with him, was probably a Sciento plant. He was there to keep an eye on him and also to provide the proof and the sordid details of John's "secret life" if he got out of line. John seems to have gotten out of line alot since the death of his son, Jett. Doesn't anyone else think it's odd that the harassment suits came in fast and furious just as the pilot was going public with his story about Travolta? Jett's death was a tragic accident, but then again, what would make it scandalous as well as tragic? The accident occuring because the kid's caretaker was off taking care of the Daddy instead of taking care of the kid. Was the "manny" a Sciento plant as well?
She should have outed him for killing his son.
Until he does this is all gossip. How many times does he have to have kids and stay married. His wife, I feel bad her having to hear all of this garbadge.
Margaret Cho has teeny weeny baby pinky fingers, some kind of tiny hand disease. My friend and I were at a club watching a comedy show and Margaret was there standing next to us and all we could focus on her were pinkies.
Would the Scientologists really kill him if he came out?
R57--Arnold was Governor of California. There are different standards for elected officials. Tiger actually supports my position. Do you think his lifestyle was a secret until the incident that outed him? I don't. I think many in the media knew all about it but they respected his privacy until the accident.
In any case you assume that I believe the outing of Tiger's private life was inoffensive. You are incorrect.
I'm more shocked that people still follow Margaret Cho.
"Why gay men like ASSS???"
Wy ae people so fixated on his private life?
WHATA IS DA ASSS MASSSSSTAAAAHHHH????
No dog in this fight, but found it nessasary to comment on such a ridiculous level r60?
[quote]It's also hilarious how quickly you sad little flyovers all leap to the idea that anyone who might not hate women must be a woman
It is also hilarious that you think people who live in big cities are never stupid and close-minded. Most flyover states don't have public high schools with 70 to 80% illiteracy rates. Yes, Manhattan, we're looking at you.
[quote]No woman should ever go around saying this guy is gay and should come out because women have no clue of what the gay male experience is like so thry should keep their mouths shut
I would agree in most cases, but this guy is a creep who trolls saunas for sex with straight men, pushes himself on men who don't want him, and belongs to a homophobic cult. People already know he's gay and they know he's a sauna troll. She's really not outing him, just adding to what's known.
[quote]His wife, I feel bad her having to hear all of this garbadge.
You are an idiot. His wife is basically a hooker.
And since when is the truth about someone garbage?
Oh, r71. There you go, making things up so you can mount some form of argument.
I never said a word about the likelihood of narrow-minded people living in big cities.
But I can smell a bunch of mouth-breathing flyovers when I hear them.
Would it really surprise you if you opened up a newspaper someday and read that John Travolta had comitted "suicide", r65?
Talk about a tragic life.
Totally, R6. Margaret's just desperate for some attention and she's using Travolta to get it...
Whatever, r70. It's no more stupid or annoying than the Byron was bi, not gay poster. Besides, the poster nattering on about "rights" was completely oblivious to the distinction between people having the RIGHT to say something that offends certain people, versus WHETHER someone should.
In these times, that is not a trivial distinction.
My God. Don't you people go to comedy shows? Joan Rivers, Wanda Sykes, Joel McHale, and others have made jokes in their shows about Travolta, Cruise, and Seacrest being gay. Where the premise was they were gay and the joke centered on them not coming out. Even Martin Short had a running joke about Seacrest being in the closet. Chill out. If they didn't want their personal lives laughed at by comedians who know the truth they can come out. Or the press could pick on bigger comedians than Cho .
She should have said Travolta was Gerard Manley Hopkins gay.
I think it would be that he died of a heart attack r75.
Just a little potassium injection. . .
“But he can’t.”
Why? It's not like he's still a romantic lead. There won't be an "Urban Cowboy 2". He played in one of the biggest gay faves ever "Grease". And he recently played a role in drag.
It would be one big yawn.
But then he'd have to come out as a liar. Which is bad.
John Travolta's not a fag and I'm the dame who can prove it!
It must be horrible for Kelly Preston to have to endure these constant rumors. Not to mention the guys who come out of the woodwork to say that Travolta hit on them.
Poor thing must really be on the verge of a complete breakdown sometimes. I don't know how she pulls it all together for the cameras and the public. There must be nights where she sits in the bathroom and cries for hours.
[quote]Whatever, [R70]. It's no more stupid or annoying than the Byron was bi, not gay poster.
HEY! I CAN HEAR YOU!
On what planet is Margaret Cho considered an actress?!!
I never realized that poor sod was in a movie with Margaret Cho. I'm sure being around her for a year would turn the straightest man on earth into a raging cum guzzler.
The reaction about "being disrespectful" would not be the same if a man had said.
Basically, many DL's are right wing conservatives when it comes to their attitudes towards women.
I totally agree with you. The problem is that there are too many closet cases even on DL who, obviously, defend these cowards.
"Scientology would "eliminate" Travolta if he ever came out. Margaret Cho does not understand how this Cult works."
Maybe she DOES understand how this cult works, and that's what she meant when she said that Travolta "can't" come out.
P.S. Even though of course there isn't anything wrong with someone being gay, many people would argue that it's still controversial to "out" a closeted gay man because, in most cases, you're calling him a liar. And even if it's true that he's a liar, it's still "controversial" to say so.
And I'm sure that you don't want to know what the people that you consider your friends think about your R88. You really don't.
I just want to take the opportunity to say that I'm sick of her and Kathy Griffin trotting out gay stereotypes during their act.
That is all.
"[Why can't Travolta come out?] It's not like he's still a romantic lead. There won't be an 'Urban Cowboy 2.' He played in one of the biggest gay faves ever 'Grease.' And he recently played a role in drag."
Did you think about this for even 10 seconds before you posted your question? Travolta "can't" come out, or it would be VERY difficult for him to do so, because (1) that would mean he had outright lied about his sexual orientation for decades, which certainly wouldn't reflect well on him; and (2) if everything we've read about Scientology is true, those people would retaliate in some really bad way(s).
Unless they're young or in a difficult/dangerous situation, please out all these celeb cowards
R97 Are you going to publish a white paper on what qualifies as a difficult situation? Will you be setting up a tribunal for review? How does one appeal the decision?
It seems easier to live and let live doesn't it?
R98 closet case or fangurl
[quote] I don't know how she pulls it all together for the cameras and the public. There must be nights where she sits in the bathroom and cries for hours.
I'm sure she cries all the way to the bank, with her girlfriend beside her. She made a good deal when she contracted to be J.T.'s beard.
Kelly Preston isn't a lesbian R100.
Fuck you guys. I love Margaret and am glad she said this. Anyone who undergoes anal bleaching for a TV show is alright with me.
Kelly Preston isn't a lesbian and scientists just discovered that the moon is made of green cheese.
R100 I thought KP's special friend was male not female.She also dated Charlie Sheen and he accidentally shot her or was that himself......
Remember when one of the gossip rags claimed that Kelly was shocked by all the gay allegations! Like Kelly didn't know about Joan's kinky ways? Oh and my favorite headline from that whole masseur scandal came from a NYC tabloid: "Greased."
'Oscar Wilde gay' - well, Oscar was married with children, so: yes.
[quote]"Shocked audience"? Who was she talking to, an audience of elderly cloistered nuns?
Hugh Jackman fans.
I don't understand. The gays all loved me and my outrageous loud girl shtick back in 2000!
[quote]Datalounge turns on her for saying it because she's a woman.
2 things that Dataloungers have head-exploding blind hatred for: Women and guys who fuck women.
R108 Don't leave us out.
Even though almost half of all DL posters are straight, 100% of comments posted here are attributed to gay men. While it's somewhat amusing to picture one group of straight girls sneering at another group of straight girls for being poor excuses for gay men, it's unfair for gay people to take heat for comments they never made.
DL is no longer a predominately gay posting board, and should no longer be labeled as such.
Well we know your a Mary! For sure r110.
R6, good thing rich adult male Hollywood actors have a hero like you to defend the closet!
How many times has this guy been "outed"? Get a grip queens, he's been outed numerous times over the last 20+ years. From The Enquirer, to Michelangelo Signorile, to Carrie Fisher, to Rashida Jones, to a number of comedians, to his former pilot and secretary, and his own stupidity with masseuses.
Girls he hasn't been a box office name for many years and Scientology has started to implode. If Jenna Miscavge-Hill can leave that cult and write a devastating tell all about it, I think Travolta will be fine.
I don't many people at this point would care or be shocked that Travolta lied about his sexual orientation. You got to do better then that ladies.
THE best post of the thread, r113.
He likes Judy Garland and ASS!!
Kelly Preston PLAYED a lesbian in a movie, but she's not one.
Jesus F Christ, who is clutching their precious pearls at Margaret Cho talking shit about gay John Travolta??? We've dished this queen here for years! It's what we do!
Great list of names r113 except for Signorile. Who can take that old bitter queen seriously?
[quote]he's been outed numerous times over the last 20+ years. From The Enquirer, to Michelangelo Signorile, to Carrie Fisher, to Rashida Jones, to a number of comedians, to his former pilot and secretary
What did all of those people say about him, specifically?
[quote]Travolta "can't" come out, or it would be VERY difficult for him to do so, because (1) that would mean he had outright lied about his sexual orientation for decades
Where is the person on this planet who doesn't know he lies about being straight?
You CANNOT fake this kind of HOT chemistry! They're in LOVE!!!
"he's been outed numerous times over the last 20+ years."
[quote]What did all of those people say about him, specifically?
Do you really think someone is going to sit here and type up 20-plus years of his scandals? Go to your library and get back issues of the National Enquirer for the past 20 years. Some of the stories include photos of his various male lovers. Is your name Rip Van Winkle?
Fuck you, R122. It's not that serious. And I honestly don't care THAT much about it for you to get your bitch ass panties into some kind of femme snit. Now have a seat, princess.
[quote]Go to your library and get back issues of the National Enquirer for the past 20 years.
Oh yeah, [italic]there's[/italic] a credible source.
[quote]And I honestly don't care THAT much about it
Then why didn't you just skip this thread, Miss Thing, instead of tying to get your own personal encyclopedia covering more than 20 years of Travolta tales? If you don't care THAT much about it, just STFU, moron!
[quote]instead of tying
"Tying?" OH DEAR. Girl, just save us the second-hand embarrassment and quit while you're (not) ahead.
There are definitely more idiotic fraus on DL. And maybe some PR people.
People like to pretend the Enquirer has never been a source of major stories. History proves them wrong.
The Enquirer doesn't print anything it isn't prepared to get sued for printing.
Outing Travolta isn't exactly an audacious move at this point.
r130 Judging from the reaction she got all over the web including datalounge, it sure is.
"People like to pretend the Enquirer has never been a source of major stories. History proves them wrong."
Yep. They aren't ALWAYS right but they usually don't "out" people unless there is real evidence. They don't want to get sued. They also outed Jodie long before she came out - they had specific info about her and her partner at the time
Why scorn the NE? It isn't like mainstream newspapers print major articles about celebrities' sexuality.
I remember MANY Democrats writing scathingly about the NE's John Edwards articles. Yeah, how'd that mockery work out for them?
You're right R131. DataLounge proves it's an audacious move when you consider all the attention this thread got when there are so many threads filled with "Breaking News" and hundreds of threads filled with so much insider gossip.
If he gave an interview with one of the biggies - Oprah, Katie, etc. and said, look I'm gay but that doesn't mean that I didn't love my wife of 20 years. What we had together is nobody's business. He would have to say that he knew he was gay but as he became a bigger star and because of pressures from Hollywood and Scientology, he hid it. Of course, he'd have to separate himself from Scientology. He'd have to say he's made a lot of mistakes and hiding his sexuality led him to do things he regrets but now he wants to be out and be honest. I think if he did that, people would say, okay, move on.
He can't just "separate" from Scientology. As some people have suggested it may not be only gay things but more dangerous secrets from years past. Former church members claim John desperately wanted to come out as far back as the 80s.
As opposed to Jackman + Miss Piggy who do it purely for career, $$ and social advantages.
[quote]Actress Margaret Cho
I can't believe no one commented on THAT.
Miss Piggy? She's gay? I thought her attraction for Kermit the frog was real.
haha HJ looks a little like Kermit too. Hadn't thought of that.
But no. Le Pig's display of amour for Kermit is strictly for show.
There are a ton of defensive closet cases on DL, so that explains a lot of the angry reactions in this thread.
I still don't get why some here have dogged Margaret, Rashida Jones, and Carrie Fisher for saying what all of us here have been saying since the Datalounge was invented. They're all cool and gay-friendly, it's not like they are homophobes.
Honestly, I wish Margaret, Rashida, and Carrie should start posting here and dishing the dirt with us! Come on, girls...
I don't agree with "how very dare she" etc. but it is worth pointing out that the women in question are celebrities - their reach is much greater than the furious typings of DL bottom feeders.
r141, if Jones wanted to out someone, she could look a little closer to home. I think that's part of the anger here.
Cho is struggling for relevance, so it's perceived as an attention grab.
Fisher is Fisher. I've always enjoyed her and her statement is the most reasonable, i.e. she was asked and she answered in a low key way.
I think it's a person's right to be in the closet, as much as I hate it.
I also think he is an easy target. I'd have a lot more respect for these people if they outed someone who had a hot career, like Bradley Cooper. That would show me they really had gay rights at heart and not their own agendas.
Please pay attention!
My terrible TV series about the fat girl on LIFETIME (TV FOR WOMEN) got cancelled!
I have house payments!
"I think it's a person's right to be in the closet, as much as I hate it."
You have the right to lie about your sexuality but you don't have the right to force others to lie for you. Besides, he was widely rumored to be gay BEFORE those women "outed" him so it's not like they were telling us something we didn't know already.
"I also think he is an easy target. I'd have a lot more respect for these people if they outed someone who had a hot career, like Bradley Cooper. That would show me they really had gay rights at heart and not their own agendas"
I think the reason why Revolta in particular is such an easy target is because he is so indiscreet. If Bradley Cooper were running around hitting on every crew member on his films, or getting sued by masseurs, or being photographed on "vacation" with male porn stars, it might be different. Plus, Carrie and Maragaret actually know Travolta. They aren't just spreading gossip about random closet cases.
r145, a lot of other actors are indiscreet, but the investment Hollywood has in making money off of them as straight protects them. This is true for anything that interferes with business, not just sexuality.
I think he's become more reckless as he ages, but there have always been stories, even outside DL, about public encounters.
If these people really believe that they have a) the best interest of a friend at heart, and b) that being gay is nothing to hide, they would've outed him earlier, and outed other people.
I know people who were in that audience. No one was shocked to hear that Travolta is gay. They were surprised that someone he knows would publicly discuss his secret, when clearly JT would rather stay in the closet. Hollywood has a long history of covering up each others secrets, so when someone breaks ranks and blabs it's considered unusual.
A guy came forward and said he had an affair with Travolta and that was okay....but it's wrong for Margaret to say he's gay after his own ex-bf outed him?!!!!
[quote]A guy came forward and said he had an affair with Travolta and that was okay....but it's wrong for Margaret to say he's gay after his own ex-bf outed him?!!!!
I don't think that's entirely correct. It wasn't just one guy. There was the guy who was a Playgirl centerfold, the pilot, and a personal trainer. All claimed that they had a relationship with Travolta.
Margaret Cho didn't out him any more than Katie Holmes didn't give birth to Suri last week. It all happened a long time ago and can't be undone.
Who cares? His fans will NEVER believe the gay rumors. "Why, he's a married family man! He and his wife obviously love each other! All those men who have come forward to say he made advances to them are liars who just want to make a buck! Marilu Henner was his lover for years and she said that the two of them had a red hot sex life! That picture of him kissing that guy is just two good buddies who aren't ashamed of being affectionate towards each other! John Travolta gay or bi? HAH! Not our Johnny!"
[quote]"Shocked audience"? Who was she talking to, an audience of elderly cloistered nuns?
He's as gay as a tree full of parrots on Christopher Radko's patio.
Scientology is the one that wants him in the closet. It is insulting how everyone pretends gay celebrities are straight. If we aren't all 6 years old expecting a magically delivered Christmas present, why are they still lying to us?
It is odd how Carrie Fisher outs Travolta yet is quiet about Debbie's lesbianism.
r154, in fairness to Fisher, she was asked a question about it at an event.
She didn't deliberately make unsolicited comments about it, and she answered it in a classy way.
r155 What was the context of Carrie outing him? Was it on a red carpet type thing?
[quote]When asked if there was any substance to the 56-year-old Saturday Night Fever stars’ lawyers demanding gossip site Gawker.com remove a post that insinuated that Travolta performed oral sex on men, she responded:
“Wow! I mean, my feeling about John has always been that we know and we don’t care. Look, I’m sorry that he’s uncomfortable with it, and that’s all I can say. It only draws more attention to it when you make that kind of legal fuss. Just leave it be.”
This was a general interview with the Advocate.
Can't stand her. And why is she outing JT on stage? It's in such poor taste. We all know he's gay and he would probably be happier if he came out, but who knows; and why the hell is she making it her business?
When has Travolta ever been in, really? This is a nonissue.
He is in now r159.
R141 HA!!!!! I love it! So true.
At least we can be reasonably assured that Oscar Wilde fathered his 3 children the old fashioned way--without the use of a turkey baster.
Margaret Cho didn't out him. He outed himself the first time he groped a masseur. Just because he ran back into the closet, doesn't change the fact he already outed himself. That was years before Margaret Cho ever stepped upon a stage.
She should have stayed in the family business, but she might have had trouble operating the dry cleaning equipment with those hands.
[quote]without the use of a turkey baster.
That may have been the method for his first two kids, but didn't she fake the pregnancy for the last kid? I read somewhere that they bought the last one.
(Is there a reason this is the only thread I can see?)
Something weird is going on, R167.
It's the Almiqui!
Feral DL is back.
Having problems here too.
Someone turned out the lights.
Oscar had two sons. The fabulously named Vyvyan and Cyril. Oscar's older brother Willie was Father to the infamous Dolly Wilde, who was a very out lesbian.
Oscar got to tap Lord Douglas (Bosie to friends) from time to time. Easy to see why they chose Jude Law for the part.
The audience I was a part of, was only "shocked" (more startled, really), that she was being so blunt and open about it. Even the 72 year old nana next to me, who had treated her grandson to the show, knew Travolta was gay and in the closet. One might consider her an atypical 72 year old (suburban, totally gay-friendly and at a Cho gig), but she laughed and said that her church-going, Liberal-voting, golf-playing friends knew too! I don't know why this trope keeps circulating about all of Australia being a conservative, redneck paradise...
So the only way I can access threads is thru the links in the w&w column... What's going on? I don't want to talk about Travolta and Eating Pussy all day long!
DL is down for me too, as in no threads appear, except for search and w&w columns.
Thanks for the replies!
Is this the new "Prime Time" for non-subs?
And w&w for r175!
What is happening with DL?
[quote]Is this the new "Prime Time" for non-subs
No, I'm a contributor and can only access my Threadwatcher and W&W threads.
Travolta reminds me of Liberace's situation. They both denied being gay so many times, it may be impossible to finally tell the truth.
Actually, R1, we knew she was a screamer before you did.
He would be 'happier' out of the closet? No. I'd say 'bitter' and 'scarier'...proven by DL.
R183 You are all to correct. I'm sure what keeps a lot of men in the closet is the fear of being associated with the bitter, nasty, musical loving, borderline socialist, celebrity obsessed, conform or die queens you see on a daily basis. You can't just BE gay.
R164, you would be able to operate that equipment too. A tragedy that MRSA gnawed your hands away, but years of scooping heaping piles of shit off of the ground and eating it took its toll on you, I'm afraid.
"Oscar Wilde" gay means he's bi.
He's just as bi as Richard Simmons.
So, the DL Mos who kept saying "he's one of us" were just being fangurl-esque delusional...turns out the he's the american Jude Law and his wife isn't exactly a beard.
R25 Oh yeah, it's none of her business to out someone as BI...but, to out someone as GAY then it IS everybody's business!
Why can't Revolta come out?
Well a lot of gay men would probably be happier if he came out but they probably would have been even happier if he'd come out in 1977.But he;s probably bisexual because he loved Diana Hyland from Eight Is Enough.
R190, They know all his secrets? No one will protect him like they have? They'll give him cement shoes?
A lot of it probably has to do with the death of his son.
He could have faced legal action, and it's tied up with the $cienos.
I eat peanuts out of my grandpas shit.
So is Travolta actually bisexual or is he gay?
[quote]So is Travolta actually bisexual or is he gay?
no such thing as male bisexuality
[quote]Well a lot of gay men would probably be happier if he came out but they probably would have been even happier if he'd come out in 1977.
A lot of gay men would probably be happier if he were straight and never attempted unwanted advances toward men. The way he pervs on people in gyms and health spas gives all gays a bad reputation.
And just when did Gays have a good reputation?
Is R198 a self-hating gay or a Fundie frau?
"I'd say 'bitter' and 'scarier'...proven by DL."
DLers like you, for instance?
"So, the DL Mos who kept saying "he's one of us" were just being fangurl-esque delusional..."
No, the fangurl-esque delusional ones are the people who insist he's "bi" - where are all the masseuses coming forward and saying he sexually harrassed them?
Actually R196 there is men are bisexual and can be bisexual just like women are. Being biphobic like that is just as bad as being homophobic and you're a total hypocrite.
What are with the rumors that Travolta offed his son and how it's connected to the clams?
What's the difference between to believe anonymous DLers and to believe Margaret Cho R201?
I've been listening to the audio book version of Lawrence Wright's recent book "Going Clear: Scientology, Hollywood, and the Prison of Belief." Wright's very straight forward about Travolta being gay and how Scientology was both afraid he'd be outed but not afraid to use the threat of outing him to keep him connected.
The portrait Wright presents of Scientology and its adherents is as totally cultish and scary as hell.
R205 only to confused gay men and confused lesbians who don't understand bisexuality and who are bigots and just as bad as homophobic straight people only worse since they're within the so called LGBT "community".
For me, I think a celebrity is treated unfairly in the sense that their sexuality should only be discussed in public by themselves, not others. You and I don't have the media scrutiny that a celebrity has and we can choose to tell or not tell anyone we want or who is close enough to share that part of our lives. Being gay doesn't define the type of person you are or should be.
So as non-celebrities, we have control over our private lives.If we choose to keep our sexuality from a prospective employer (not that it should ever be an issue for a job)then we can. A celebrity should have the same options that we do, especially since it clearly does impact their ability to be cast in a role. Acting is fake, so there's no crime in being fake in getting a part. YOu are not playing yourself, you are playing a character. It has now become a sort of witch hunt to try and out a celebrity as if to make them seem "less" than the rest of us. That is really troublesome to me.
He didn't gain tabloid attention for being gay, r207. He got their attention by sticking his cock in the face of straight men.
If you walked into the home next to you with no clothes on and jacking off, do you think that it should be ignored by all because you're a private person? Do you think there would be no scandal?
Of course, Travolta lucked out a few times with some guys, like Luis Gonzalez, who enjoyed having sex with him. It probably would not have gotten Enquirer notice had there not been a whole slew of men who didn't like his cock shoved at them.
From the NY Daily News - May 2012:
ANOTHER FORMER massage therapist has come forward, this one with compliments claiming John Travolta has a magical set of lips.
"He's a great kisser," Luis Gonzalez, now living overseas, told the National Enquirer. "I know because I had sex with him, and he loved it."
Gonzalez told the Enquirer he found the Saturday Night Fever star "very experienced" in bed. He told the newspaper he spent an afternoon having passionate sex with Travolta at the posh Ritz-Carlton hotel in Laguna Niguel, Calif., in 1997.
The former masseur claimed the randy rendezvous started shortly after he set up his massage table in the actor's room.
Travolta reportedly stripped down and said it was too warm for a top sheet, Gonzalez said.
"I gladly let him lay on the table naked . . . and within five minutes, Travolta spread his legs and I could see an erection," he told the Enquirer. "He moved around and started to breathe heavily. He'd say, 'Oh, yeah, that feels so good! A little higher, please!'"
Gonzalez said Travolta made it clear he wanted more than a regular massage, so the couple hopped into the sack.
"We got into the bed that was right next to the massage table and had a really good time," he claimed.
Who cares about Travolta. Margaret should tossed Hugh Jackman's ass out of the proverbial closet. He is such a phoney "Mr. NiceGuy". He make me sick!!!!
Hey 196!You're wrong!there is such a thing as male bisexuality!I've known some and I'm slightly that way myself1And so is John Travolta because he was very much in love with Diana Hyland who played his mom in "Boy In The Plastic Bubble"and he married a hot babe Kelly Preston!
"You and I don't have the media scrutiny that a celebrity has and we can choose to tell or not tell anyone we want or who is close enough to share that part of our lives. Being gay doesn't define the type of person you are or should be."
But of course it's okay if the media exposes the private life of STRAIGHT celebs. Let's expose Tiger Woods as a het adulterer, but let's not say who's gay because homosexuality is a dirty secret!
No, its not okay to expose what goes on in someone's private life, straight or gay. What happened with Tiger was between him and his wife, but as with all things, because it's a public person, the media feels nothing is off limits. I don't agree. Unless they are breaking the law, private matters should remain private, it has nothing to do with being gay. So Margaret Cho saying Travolta is gay is unfair since she's not saying her friend Shirley is a lesbian because no one knows who her friend Shirley is or cares for that matter. It's only newsworthy because Travolta is an actor. If the guy in a golf foursome is carrying on with several women and cheating on his wife, it's not going to be national news. Get it?? It's private. If Travolta broke the law, he should arrested, not everyone jumping on an opportunity to file a lawsuit to collect money. Get it? That's the difference my friend.
"If Travolta broke the law, he should arrested, not everyone jumping on an opportunity to file a lawsuit to collect money"
So celebs should have the right to be private...but ordinary people shouldn't have the right to file lawsuits? Ha ha. You sound like a stupid fanboi.
[quote]Hugh Jackman's ass out of the proverbial closet. He is such a phoney "Mr. NiceGuy".
R204 does it talk about Tom and Nicole as well?
Who wouldn't be happier out of the closet? As they say, you're only as sick as your secrets.
r214 and you sound like a naive idiot. You should know that most lawsuits against celebrities are filed for extortionistic reasons. They figure that to avoid the publicity, the celebrity will settle. You don't usually see a lawsuit about sexual harassment against someone who lives next door. Usually, you would call the police and file charges first. Civil lawsuits are a secondary method for restitution.
R213 that's nice but you're forgetting that clams like Revolta, Will and Jada, and Tammy Cruise are in the Co$ and that cult is against LGBT people. I say out the motherfucking cowards.
Celebrities as a whole have no rights to privacy and they know it, and many are media or attention whores to the media.
R218 also don't forget the closet queens who sue when someone says the truth that they are bisexual or gay, when in reality actual hetero male celebrities just laugh it off as gossip and don't care if someone thinks they are bi or gay since they're hetero and there's no need to get their panties in a bunch and sue someone over it.
Also by doing this it's as though the closet queens are saying that there's something wrong with being bisexual or gay, with being out, or with being known as gay or bi.
[quote]figure that to avoid the publicity, the celebrity will settle.
That's not the case with Travolta. He already has decades of publicity about his perving on straight men. He settles because, if he goes to court, there are too many men to testify against him. He would lose million$.
R216, it definitely does. It talks about Tom all the way up through the Holmes wedding. It mentions that $cientology even had an organized project to find him a girlfriend after Nicole. It also claims he even approached President Clinton to help lobby for more favorable standing of $cientology in Germany and Britain.
[quote]Of course, Travolta lucked out a few times with some guys, like Luis Gonzalez, who enjoyed having sex with him.
Do you mean the baseball player or was it some random bi or gay guy at the spa or bath house named Luis Gonzalez who hooked up with JT?
This book about JT and other closeted bi/gay celebs came out has anyone here actually read it?