How come Shawn Hornbeck STILL can't talk about what happened?
Anderson interviewed Shawn Hornbeck today on his show and prefaced the interview by saying he is not allowed to ask him anything about the kidnapping or what happened. Why? It's been 6 years since he's been found and he's still not ready to talk about it?
Something's just not right. He wasn't chained up or held captive. He spent all his time playing video games, watching TV and eating pizza and junk food. He was allowed to roam free outside of the house. He biked and skateboarded in the neighborhood. He had sleepovers at friends' houses. Why did he never run away or ask someone for help? Someone even asked him if he was Shawn Hornbeck and he said no. It's like he didn't want to be found. Something just doesn't add up.
He was fucked in the ass for 6 years
That doesn't explain why he didn't just leave and ride his bike home.
OP, R2, Who can explain the mental state of a sexually abused child? Was he also physically abused? Terrorized into thinking that any attempt at escape would lead to dire consequences? Surviving by creating a total mental block or a false persona where his ability to reason was shut down as well?
So what did they talk about?
I thought the kidnapper threatened to kill his family, and used other brainwashing techniques to keep Shawn compliant. But I might be thinking of another case.
A steady dose of dick can do things to you.
OP, as with the idiot who posted his/her "questions" about why the three girls in Cleveland didn't escape sooner, you are too stupid to live.
Please die in a grease fire.
He just LOVED being raped, tortured, strangled and kidnapped, ya know? Cuz that steady stream of dick was just THAT good!
Gross. You can almost see thae internal rationalizing that must go on in these sickos heads in the this thread. I'm guessing a couple of DLers wouldn't mind a boy or two kept in their basement. Afterall, they just need to be taught the wonders of dick, right? Once you've raped them enough times, they'll love it, right? And then you're just giving them what they want. Who doesn't love dick, right? It's not so bad!!!
I agree with R8. OP is an idiot.
OP, along with R1, exhibited all the traits of being fucked up, sadistic people, hoping to jack off to the thoughts of, discussion of and/or admission by a male victim that he was raped.
Isn't that right, OP? It kinda makes you 'hot', doesn't it? You want to see it typed-out, preferably talked about by the kid himself to give you some nice, hot-nasty jack off material. Because, I mean, what's more HAWT that a cute twink being brutally raped up his ass. And maybe it was by a "hawt daddy", right R1? Am I right OP? Yeah, SO hot.
And yeah, R6, a "steady dose of dick" is just magical, especially by straight, young boys.
..the three of you should be euthanized, preferably painfully.
Maybe he's waiting for a book deal offer?
There could be many reasons.
Maybe he wants to write a book someday. Maybe he's under the impression that what he talks about is his decision. Maybe he feels the rampant, intrusive curiosity of the herd isn't something he needs to satisfy. Maybe he just doesn't want to.
Freedom of speech goes both ways.
And yes, OP, you are an asshole.
Why did Anderson have him on if he couldn't talk about the kidnapping? What the hell did they talk about? The NBA playoffs?
Because, OP, once he opens that floodgate, the deluge begins.
Talk to one media person, every other "journalist" will act like he "owes" them a dirty details interview as well. And the Nancy Graces, Barbara Walters, and John Quinoneses AND their predatory producers will *never* let him be. They gotta get that "get."
He'd be re-opening that wound every day and twice on Sundays. Never mind being trotted out as some "expert" every time some other pretty white girl or boy goes missing.
Besides, after he got older and "agedout," so to speak, didn't his abductor use Shawn to procure new younger boys who fit the freak's age requirement? I wouldn't want to talk about that, either. He would catch all kinds of hell for doing that.
How did he finally escape?
Just because he hasn't talked about it in public, does not mean he hasn't talked about it. I'm sure he's been through tons of therapy. Nobody in the public needs to know the specifics of what happened.
He's been doing interviews for his local news. He seems like he's adjusted well. Good for him.
I believe Shawn was controlling the 'tard who "grabbed" him.
Around the time his story broke, I saw an interview with a man who had something similar happen to him as a kid. A guy abducted him and kept him in a makeshift underground bunker, raping him. After a few days the guy decided he would let the kid go and even drive him home, but the kid had to promise not to tell the truth and instead say he had run away. It was either that he was going to have to kill him. The boy, fearing he would get punished by his parents for running away told his captor he couldnt do that. So the guy strangles him and believing he is dead leaves him there. Fortunately he didn't kill him and the boy was found by some hunters shortly afterwards.
When I heard this story, I asked myself, "why didnt the kid just lie and say 'sure, I'll tell them I ran away' or whatever the guy wanted to hear? Thats what I would have done." But a nanosecond later, I realized why. He didnt because he was a child, because he does not have the same grasp of logic as an adult. That Shawn didnt run away is not surprising to me. The guy who took him totally fucked with his head.
Exactly, OP. I am sick of this Shawn guy and his victim act. Like, "Ooh, I need my privacy! Ooh, I was all snatched up and raped and stuff!"
So what? Hasn't he ever seen Oprah or Montel or Sally Jesse or Jerry Springer? You go out there and face the audience and tell everybody all about it. That's the American way. I think he is unpatriotic for not telling all.
Didn't Shawn escape when his captor brought home another boy and Shawn figured he'd be killed?
Why should he?
[quote] Gross. You can almost see thae internal rationalizing that must go on in these sickos heads in the this thread.
LOL. These are troll threads, created to get a rise out of you -- and succeeding. It's all about the hits....
[quote] Didn't Shawn escape when his captor brought home another boy and Shawn figured he'd be killed?
No. The kidnapper was caught when the truck he used in kidnapping the younger boy was traced.
"And they're bothered because there were at least two occasions when Shawn could have asked them for help. In 2006, Shawn and Tony were stopped by local police for riding their bikes after curfew, and escorted back to the apartment complex.
Rita says Shawn said nothing to the officers.
Kelly also remembers one day when they were watching TV and a news report about Shawn flashed on the screen. "And he was sitting right there in the wicker chair. Still remember it. Same face, you know? He didn't frown, he didn't do anything."
When Kelly asked him if that was him, she says Shawn "laughed and he said 'no' and then he said 'whatever' - just the typical teenager-type talk."
So why didn't Shawn speak up? Why didn't he run? It's the question on everyone's mind."
Shawn pings. I think in some perverted way, he and his kidnapper were a couple. And he's ashamed of it.
Male rape victims can have ambivalent and confusing ideas about their rape if they had an orgasm during the act, either from the sexual aspect of the rape, or if the rapist made the effort to get the victim off. A younger victim, who has not had a chance yet to sort out his sexuality may wonder about what happened.
It's pretty obvious he doesn't want to explain his behavior. He'd rather let people as stupid and ill-motivated as r7 make his story for him. That said, he's really under no obligation to do anything. It's just that if he wants privacy now and doesn't want to talk about it, he shouldn't be doing interveiws.
[quote]Besides, after he got older and "agedout," so to speak...
aged out? He was pretty hot when he was captured.
These Chester's like Sandusky fuck with your head-the one on your shoulders to be specific. Shawn obviously bonded with his rapist and may have had a pang of jealously/fear when the guy kidnaped a younger,fresher boy to molest. A skilled pedophile knows that sex can be pleasurable and uses that knowledge to control and manipulate his victims.
Yeah, but wasn't he 15 or 16 by then? He may have been hot to normal people, but for a pedophile, that's old and washed up.
[quote]Shawn pings. I think in some perverted way, he and his kidnapper were a couple. And he's ashamed of it.
Please go fuck yourself.
Fuck your own idiot self r31.
I see the basement dwelling pervs at R32.
How many children have you kidnapped and raped?
Someone please check R25's basement!
So because he pings, he must've enjoyed getting raped everyday for years? And getting strangled and threatened was just foreplay with his boyfriend, right?
His stepdad says he emailed them on their website [as "Shawn Devlin"] with, "How long are you planning on looking for your son?".
The neighbor family that befriended him, spent hours and hours with the boy, seems to have a simmering resentment towards his lack of a cry for help. Say Devlin "spoiled him rotten".
Methinks our Shawnie didn't want to go back home.
How come Shawn Hornbeck STILL can't talk about what happened?
Because he now knows every single thing that was written in the preceeding 34 posts. He was a kid. He's still a kid. He knows now he was supid not to try and get away. So .. just how candid about all that would YOU be to the whole fucking country, huh?! (Not to mention Anderson Cooper whom you know is a buttfucker himself. Jezuuuuuz.)
Stockholm syndrome settled in.
before that, the abductor knew where sean's parents lived. He' threatened to kill them if sean tried to run. Sean is protecting his family by staying. It's all mind control. You're dealing with a child. No street smarts.
Also... The specific details of abuse don't matter. Why do we need to know what specifically happened sexually? We don't. Abuse is abuse. He doesn't need the world visualizing what he went through. It's irrelevant.
Shawn is an outlier case. No doubt he is a victim but the reason he doesn't want to get into his story is because it doesn't fit the neat mold. It's also been pretty clearly implied that he had a hand in kidnapping/abusing the younger victim.
[quote]Something just doesn't add up.
It's this attitude, as with the idiot in the rescued girls in Cleveland thread, that completely enrages me. It tells me that these two fuckers led such a life of ease that they could never understand nor comprehend just what it means to live in fear of an adult/authority figure.
It freezes you up. And it is incredibly difficult to articulate to another human being just how unable you are to move forward, especially if you're STILL a child. It takes years to be able to figure it out on a personal level, how on earth are you supposed to sum up that kind of experience for an audience? It can't be done.
I remember how I felt as a child having to listen to my father beating the shit of my mother. I'd be shivering down in my bedroom, my arms around my little brother and sister trying to comfort them, and wishing with all my heart that I could do something to make him stop, to stomp upstairs and hurt him the way he hurt us, to feel like a superhero and save her. But the truth of it was I was absolutely terrified of him. It kept me immobilized. I was a twelve year old girl and he had about 200 pounds on me and a temper that was all-consuming. And the shame that I felt about not being able to stand up to him (or my mother, she was no picnic, either) engulfed me for a long time; well into adulthood.
Is it really that difficult for you to comprehend how much power an adult can have over an 11 year old's thought-process? Especially one that he wants to keep. I had to deal with mindfucking and abuse from people who actually birthed me and supposedly loved me. What of someone who has kidnapped another person against their will?
They will do and say ANYTHING to keep the mind and being of that person under their control. It's as simple as that. Sure, Devlin let this kid out and created a scenario that wouldn't look out of place--that of a dad raising his son. And the fact that Hornbeck didn't run, even after his torture and abasement at the hands of his captor, tells you a LOT about what kind of mind games this guy was playing on a CHILD. It didn't even have to be threats. He could have told him stories about Shawn's parents, how they never loved him, could never want him as much as Devlin, or whatever bullshit came into his head.
Think about it for a second. You're so vulnerable at that age, and all it takes is one person convincing you that you're worthless, or that they have complete power over you, for you to lose your self-esteem, self-preservation, self-worth, your entire self. And it becomes very important to live within those strict boundaries that person has placed on you because you're so terrified of what might be beyond them.
It must be so nice to have grown up so whitebread and drama-free that you absolutely cannot fathom that kind of situation. And that you really can't appreciate how easy it is to fuck with an eleven year old's (or fourteen year old, or even a terrified woman being raped on a daily basis) head.
Count yourself lucky, OP. And good job with those empathy skills.
I live in St. Louis. I was intensely moved when Hornbeck was found. The comments here about the effects of that kind of abuse are right - no one should presume it is as simply as "just walk" when it's a kid involved. The Stockholm Syndrome and the impact of rape, manipulation and lies can't be shrugged off. And the kid had pleaded for his life when the asshole was starting to kill him - he made a deal.
I was suckered by a sexual abuser as a young teen and it went on for years. I could have stopped it any time I wanted. But I was taken in, convinced no one cared, certain I was stuck. I look back and barely can fit my mind into the scenario now, but at the time it seemed hopeless and I felt I had no power. And I wasn't kidnapped, beat up, strangled, and told my family and I would be killed if I ran.
As for the idiot OP bitching about not hearing all the sordid details, it's a disgrace to suggest "something's not right" just because it thinks it deserves - what? To hear how being fucked felt?
And one reason for some of the silence is that because of what had happened to him, Hornbeck behaved initially in a complicit way when the other boy was taken. The guilt of that, as an inadvertent part of a conspiracy, weighs heavily. Thankfully the authorities saw it right, but it's another element that pleads for silence and discretion.
Ignore the OP Bill O'Rielly.
Elizabeth Smart answered this question this week. She said after he had raped her several times she felt so dirty that she didn't think anyone would love her again. Some of you guys don't quite understand the stigma of rape. Some husbands can never touch their wives again. In parts of Africa and the Middle East a woman is considered spoiled. In parts of Africa men kick their raped wives out never to see their children even though it was not the woman's fault. Then you have young kids being raped and there is no way their self worth doesn't plummet. I am sure their rapists told them it was their fault. Now add a homophobic society to that and, yeah, that boy has mental problems he will never get over, especially if he is straight. I think it is a miracle he is even showing up for any of these shows.
I wish there was this much understanding for Michael Jackson's victim.
[quote]Why do we need to know what specifically happened sexually?
Cause it might be hot?
#40, #41- those are YOUR stories. But every story is different.
What some of us are picking up on is a sort of steely, passive-aggressive vein of manipulation that runs through the kid. Like when the jig was up, he just shrugged and thought, "Eh, I'll do this now. It's all good".
He gives me chills. I don't think this is the last we'll see or hear from Mr. Hornbeck.
Of course, he'll blame any misfortune he ever has on "the kidnapping".
I think he abused the younger kid along with Devlin.
[quote] you could never understand nor comprehend just what it means to live in fear of an adult/authority figure.
R40, just because your fit boyfriend told you to skip a few desserts doesn't make him an authority figure and you certainly don't need to "live in fear" that he'll find your stash of ho-hums.
R48, your earlier comments do not set up your authority to be such a rat's ass.
And R46, quit misreading what I wrote to justify your own subjective and based-on-nothing fantasizing that this victim of horrible crime inevitably is going to do something to get you off. Of course my case is my case - I wrote that I kept quiet and was cooperative in something that harmed me, and so could see the larger effects on Hornbeck. Big deal. I also wrote the same thing you did - that Hornbeck was complicit in the later case - again, so what? It is not atypical as a response to long-term abuse. It does not mark Hornbeck as a future perpetrator.
Your false reasoning and "feeling" like you know something are disgusting in this context. "Steely" - what a foul and false interpreter of human behavior you are.
The tendency of the types of emotionally stunted snarks seen on this thread to stir their own crap into the mix is an indication that it doesn't take being kidnapped or abused to be fucked in the head. Corkscrew logic and insupportable conclusions dressed in slime.
I can understand why he doesn't want to talk about it, but WHY go on TV to dance around it and pretend it didn't happen?
What did they talk about in the interview?
[quote] R48, your earlier comments do not set up your authority to be such a rat's ass.
I think you have a problem with "authority," R49.
Stop stalking Shawn Hornbeck - he's not into fatties and he doesn't want any of your "empathy" (so that's what they're calling it these days - use to be plain old "sick obsesssion.")
Honestly, R41/R49 this is why they hate us. Years later you are still obsessed with this kid - you're as bad as his captor. No doubt you'd put a less "authoritarian" spin on it (we know how you hate authority!) but how does that make your secret sick plans for Shawn any different??
R50, because he can offer an insider's perspective without giving details.
The OP is a sick troll. Also R25, $35 R46 sounds like a very sick & disturbed individual trying to get off on child rape. Really I hope datalounge figures out his IP and report him as a potential pedo. Why wait for all the coulda & shouldas like what happened with the terrorist. I'm calling it now. Those are the posts of a person that should be watched.
He was 11 when he was kidnapped. He was raped & beaten every day for 30 days. Then he was taken by truck to a wooded area to be killed and strangled. While he was being strangled he pleaded for his life. His kidnapper agreed not to kill him if he agreed to certain conditions including never giving away anything about himself. He was afraid that he was going to be killed everyday. All that was presented in court. Why the hell would anyone want to talk to anyone about that. He's not your entertainment.
r51, just reading that idiotic projecting post makes any sane person hope you are sucked up by a tornado and impaled on a rusty stake.
[quote] sucked up by a tornado and impaled on a rusty stake
Amazing how the language we choose reveals our true nature and deepest desires.
"Sucked up by a tornado"
"Impaled on a rusty stake?"
It doesn't take a PhD in Freudian psychology to figure out what's on your mind, R54. You're sick.
You're sick, R54. Get some help and leave Shawn out of your disgusting sick games. This is truly why they hate us.
He will talk about it IF he is ready. How soon a victim of sexual and mental abuse chooses to speak about their ordeal is their business not yours OP.
Defending a child rapist.
Blaming the victim.
Saying raping a child could be "hot".
For the first time ever, I actually do hope the authorities are monitoring what people are doing on line. If only to lock up the sickos who posted here.
His bio dad was a sleaze. I'm not a geneticist, but...
Well, if his mom picked one sex offender, might she have had the misfortune of somehow selecting another one? Like some battered women go on to find another batterer as their next partner. Maybe step-dad showed a lot of interest in Shawn while they they were dating and she interpreted as "He likes kids. He'll make a good father." not as a red flag. I don't know anything about his mother and step-father or what their home was like, but it kind of makes me wonder if Shawn might not have made an effort to go back home because he was getting it worse there.
Elizabeth Smart and Shawn Hornbeck were modern American children who were told to report this kind of thing. They were not brought up in Africa in a tribe where to be raped is to be an outcast. You are seriously deranged R43, and I hope you are not allowed to work with children.
God I hate Shawn Hornbeck threads. Such obvious trolls.
Shut up R60. You're embarrassing yourself.
If THEY believed they were soiled by being raped then something untoward was going on at home.
My girlfriend likes it when I come home, shove her against the wall, choke her, rip her clothes off, and proceed to fuck her dry.
Some people like that rape shit.
R63, That's no where near the same as actual rape. Does your girlfriend believe that you may violently kill her, or at least give her an incurable sexually transmitted disease?
Probably your girlfriend has had some past real sexual trauma that's she's still dealing with by repeating a traumatic experience under controlled circumstances. Or she comes from a sexually repressive background with very mixed messages as well.
Having lived in St. Louis when Shawn disappeared, we were constantly reminded of the family's pain every birthday, every anniversary, every holiday. I don't think there's a St. Louisian alive who doesn't remember the total and complete shock the day the found Ben Ownby and then Shawn Hornbeck.
Devlin was a master manipulator and he said as much when he plead guilty and refused to have Shawn and Ben tell their stories. The stories, I'm sure, were depraved and disgusting and something Devlin didn't want out there before he began the rest of his life in prison.
I think Shawn is a total badass for not talking about it and he has risen above many of us (well, most of those commenting on this thread). It's his story and I think it's kick-ass that he's giving all you bottom feeders the finger!
Then why bother being interviewed?!
Bullshit he could've left and would've left if he didn't like it. That girl in Ohio who was beaten and held captive sure as hell took the first opportunity to leave.
Steven Staynor only stayed because he was told his parents had left him with that guy on purpose. In fact he planed to go back after he returned that new kid.
The fact Staynor's brother turned out to be a serial killer is probably why Steven believed that dumb lie
67 watches a lot of CSI. He knows about these things.
How sad those human beings who cannot possibly understand the mind-set and fears of another. Shawn was undoubtedly a very sensitive, child who possibly learned to block extremely traumatic events. If he never left the house, and didn't know anybody, then whom could he contact? Rapists convince victims that they've got no choice and will be tortured to death if they even try to escape.
I'll bet Shawn gave the initial interview to let those that had cared about him, but were still strangers, that he was OK. He also wanted to give back and let others know the dangers of child abduction, and how to be safe.
How could he convince others of the horrors he lived with on a daily basis? Would others, like those on this thread that lack empathy, just denigrate him further?
Who are the sickos who want to hear the gory details?
Maybe he doesn't want to talk about it because he actually grew to like his new life and didn't really want to go back to his parents.
I thought that he did an interview with Oprah a few years back and talked about it? Maybe I'm confusing him with someone else.
But no one's seemed to answer this question, if he doesn't want to answer questions about his ordeal, that's fine... but then why is he being interviewed? Just what did they talk about? And if you don't want to be asked questions or be in the public eye, why are you putting yourself out there at all?
[quote]He was fucked in the ass for 6 years
Sounds like heaven!
Apparently it was him who did an interview with Oprah but he didn't give specifics about what happened.
When Oprah asked Shawn privately why he never called his parents, Shawn said he was "terrified."
R73, Would you want to be fucked in the ass for 6 years, starting as a young child, by someone who could care less about your well being, and instead regularly threatened your life?
I'll bet Hornbeck was starved, beaten up, isolated, and in mental terror the entire time. Survival meant completely blanking out all reality, and letting your body go through the motions while trying to force your mind to be elsewhere. Please try to be a little sympathetic.
The media pressured Hornbeck to speak up. He was also counseled to reach out and help others, who had been raped and seriously abused, but whose names the public did not know. The healing process takes years. Some never are psychologically able to tell anyone the whole truth, let alone the nosy public.
Does anyone really need to know the gory details? Why?
[R72], it may be hard to comprehend, but there are actually people out there who like to hear/see Shawn give an interview so we can see that he is okay, that he is healing, and that he is an inspiration for survival for a lot of people. Believe it or not, some of us like to see the human spirit rise above incomprehensible horror and move on. We feel happy for Shawn. And I think there's considerable suspicion that Devlin was replacing Shawn with a younger captive and the potential for murdering Shawn so his secret stays secret.
There aren't many threads asking about Elizabeth Smart or Jaycee Dugard's rape and hostage details or questioning why they didn't escape.
The thing about kids is that most have been taught to respect adults and most have been raised not believing that there are adults out there who would take advantage of their naivete, exploit it, and use it. And often, they don't fully understand that they are being exploited. Thus, the definition of exploitation.
He's interviewed when these cases come up because they are similar to his and he survived. He doesn't have to share the specifics of his case. We know what happened to him based on public record. Besides he's had a couple of fairly in depth interviews and it's obvious that the focus is about helping others who are dealing with abuse that they can survive. Along with a message to those who see something suspicious to speak up.
I wasn't questioning people wanting to see that he's okay. I was asking a legitimate question as to what he talks about in these interviews if they can't ask him questions about his ordeal. I don't care one way or another if he's doing interviews, I've just never watched any of them, and therefore was actually just wondering what he talks abot.
[quote]Shawn was undoubtedly a very sensitive, child who possibly learned to block extremely traumatic events. If he never left the house, and didn't know anybody, then whom could he contact?
But he left the house all the time. He had a bike and was free to go anywhere. He even had sleepovers at a friend's house. The parents of that friend are now mad at him because they couldn't believe he lied to them all this time and never reached out for help if he really wanted it.
Seriously i dont know what is he thinking he could simply call the police to catch him and nothing would happen
Maybe he was an accomplice with his captor for some crimes so he doesn't want to incriminate himself.
The nasty and ignorant shits here know nothing of the child's mind, the effects of manipulation and control, the harm of being held in fear for one's life, the effects of time as a child matures, and the self-loathing that comes from such an experience.
The kid begged for his life when the guy took him out to kill him. The man told the kid the parents had given up on him and that they wouldn't want him after what happened. He let the kid feel complicit. And he told the kid he would kill the family if the kid ever tried to contact him. By the time the younger "replacement" was kidnapped, the then-teen had become fully assimilated in the life, as the control games continued through the years. It was only when the other kid was brought in that the balance slipped.
Also, in the immediate aftermath of the second kidnapping, Shawn acted as an accomplice at first. Freaking out and hearing the kid's reactions helped break the link.
The other cases that have been told of women being held in houses and compounds also strain the credulity of unthinking assholes who expect people in horrible and abnormal situations to respond in a rational way, especially once threats, physical harm, abuse, debasement and the clever mind games the perpetrators use have had their impact.
Such an odd thread to bump.
you disgust me OP.
Shawn was the brains in that relationship R82. You think that pedos have some genius insights into human nature and how to control others but this was a dude who struggled to hold a job at a pizza place.
I don't think I have ever been more disgusted at some of the people who post on this site.
I can hardly believe some of the stuff I'm reading in this thread. I wonder if some of the posters are really that stupid or if they are allowing their perversions to run away with them. I also wonder if they would be quite so free with their ignorant/twisted ideas if they had to sign their real names to these posts.
Either way, your questions have been answered here. Ten minutes of research into the psychology of kidnapping victims and long-term abuse victims would tell you that this boy was fairly typical. Why would you speculate on something you know nothing about and for which you have no frame of reference without at least attempting to find out something about it first?
Truly, I just can't understand the hard-heartedness of some people.
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