I just started watching old eps of Maude on YouTube
That show is dated as HELL. The alcoholism episode where he hit her -- can you even imagine that airing now?
It aired close to 40 yrs ago. What was your first clue that it was dated?
Other shows like Bob Newhart from around the same time still play well today because the humor wasn't "topical" - I think that's what OP means.
"The alcoholism episode where he hit her -- can you even imagine that airing now?"
I don't understand what you mean. Are you saying a man hitting a woman would never be aired now? That happens plenty. Of course, the subject of alcoholism is treated differently now, but I don't understand why you think that particular episode would be so "dated."
When "Maude" first came out it was considered groundbreaking and original; it was the first tv show where a woman on a sitcom had an abortion. That was considered quite a big deal then, emphasis on THEN. The show was made decades ago and it was a Norman Lear show, heavy on politics and social commentary. Of course it's going to look like a relic now.
Maybe the problem isn't that Maude is dated as much as it is that most commercial TV now is risk-free, empty crap.
Problem with Maude is it was too preachy. Every. Single. Episode. was a "very special episode." At that time, it was a way to spread info about social issues but in today's world it seems really antiquated.
The other reason it looks dates is that 50 year old women don't look ancient anymore. Compare Maude to today's 50 year old woman (Demi Moore).
R5, they started making her look younger and more glamorous as the seasons went on. But yes, that first season, it's shocking to think she's only supposed to be, what, 47?
The abortion ep was groundbreaking but the show does seem beyond dated.
"ut why did she stay with a man who punched her lights out??? It was unrealistic, how peppy and completely unaffected she was by it -- even if alcoholism was misunderstood in 1973."
What was "unrealistic" about it? Lots of women stay with men who hit them. As for the Maude character, well, she seemed like a pretty tough bird, which is why she rebounded quickly. She loved Walter; she forgave him because she knew he didn't mean it, that it was the alcoholism that caused him to lose control. If I recall it correctly, he lost his temper, hit her, and then realizing what he had done, began to weep with remorse and shame. Maude tries to comfort him: "everything's going to be alright." It seemed pretty realistic to me.
[quote]That show is dated as HELL.
I was thinking the same thing recently when I saw Gone With The Wind. That stuff just wouldn't happen today. I don't see why anyone would watch it.
At least it was preachy AND funny, unlike Designing Women.
I still love the show dated as it was.
Hitting women is timeless
Only the first few seasons were very topical. If you watch the episodes from the middle-to-later years they were less issues-oriented and more straight comedy.
The writing is light years ahead of any sitcom airing today, it's all kinds of comedy - physical, character-driven, topical, satire...
I always think of the episode where the mother (Maude's friend) won't release her daughter's inheritance to her as an ugly episode. I have no idea why. It's not taking on some hard-hitting issue but it's a tough episode.
"Maude" also has a slew of interesting guest stars, Marcia Rodd, Jill Clayburgh, Jimmy Coco, Helen Page Camp, Barbara Rush, John Wayne, Henry Fonda. Not to mention the fab musical shows where the great Bea gets to sing. Her version of "You're Gonna Hear From Me" is definitive.
I love the theme song. The late Donny Hathaway sang it and orchestrated it, but he did not write the lyrics.
I like to watch Adrienne Barbeau's enthusiastic go-go dancing. Hoopy!
Don't like watching Conrad B. as a "regular person" - he's Mr. D. to me.
The funniest thing about it is that Maude and Walter are supposed to be protestants.
Anyone know why they switched the actor who played Maude's grandson Phillip midway through the run? Phillip II looked nothing like the first.
Conrad Bain's character may have not been as rioch as Mr. D, but he was hardly a regular guy. He was a rich, country club Republican.
"Maude" was a topical TV show, it discussed what was then current, it was groundbreaking for it's time, which is why it's dated today.
[quote]I was thinking the same thing recently when I saw Gone With The Wind. That stuff just wouldn't happen today. I don't see why anyone would watch it.
I know this was sarcasm but, "Gone with the Wind" isn't dated. It's a period piece that holds up today. A movie like "Love Story" is dated.
[quote]At least it was preachy AND funny, unlike Designing Women.
Hear, hear. "Designing Women" and "Murphy Brown" don't hold up at all today, unlike "The Golden Girls".
"Designing Women" was never funny.
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Ray Don Simpson
I'm currently avoiding my class readings by trolling YouTube. I stumbled upon this gay bar ep of Maude from 1977. Preachy, yes, but I'm actually really impressed.
R23 Did a google search and the first actor was on the show 5 years and the replacement only did 1 year. According to this he was replaced because he turned 15 in real life and was too tall for the role.
"Maude" was groundbreaking in that she's a very tough, opinionated, stereotype shattering woman. The only sitcom that came near that before was "Hazel"
The "Francie" episode where she adopts a black kid temporarily was on recently (starring Tamu, who still works in the industry, maybe not acting anymore). Holds up, funny, and when Bea tells her off, it's funny and touching. Which a lot of the shows are. Another classic is the Ingmar Bergman-esque one where Maude & Walter are getting ready for a party and they slag off all of the people who will be at the party. Funny and a bit Joan Didion-John Updike as well.
All TV shows age. Even "I Love Lucy'_-it looks very bizarre now when Ricky puts Lucy over his knee and tries to spank her.
As for "The Golden girls"--well, if you're going to tell me those hideous sherbet-colored caftans they always are wearing haven't aged, you're insane.
I like Maude a helluva lot more than I Love Lucy and I like Bea Arthur more than Lucille Ball.
a true fan after watching reruns of the show on Antenna TV
Here's my gay card, Ray Don.
The Season 5 Episode 1 "Vivian's First Funeral" is my favorite. It is hysterical. So many memorable moments. Arthur's wife's brooch is on the body.
[quote] "Designing Women" was never funny.
DW was very funny in its first few years. It lost its way with the cast changes, and while Julia's rants were funny and clever at first, they wore thin as time went on.
r38, that is by far the funniest episode of the series.
[quote]DW was very funny in its first few years. It lost its way with the cast changes, and while Julia's rants were funny and clever at first, they wore thin as time went on.
I never found it funny, even at the beginning, I only found it irritating. But, I'd rather drink soup with a fork than watch one of the episodes from the last two seasons.
The episode "Vivian's Party" is hysterical, too.
From about 2:00 the sparring between Maude, Vivian, Walter and Arthur is classic.
Did you see the one where Rue has a facelift. She's as gorgeous as Princess Grace. That nose job really saved her. Better than her original too Native American knows she was born with. Just a beauty with those high cheekbones. The nose job elevated her to supreme attractiveness.
We don't watch it then.
Vivians first funeral
McDonalds Funeral Home
Maude: Mr Mcdonald...Ronald!
The funeral home played " The Girl From Ipanema".
Vivian: Oh Maude, she looks so content!
Maude: She should, she's wearing your brooch!
I wrote about this in my blog.
San Francisco 1972...
Ritch Street Heatlh Club. (Baths). The entire place would empty into the big TV room to watch Maude. It was buddy night and the place was packed. As soon as it was over, it was back to sex!
I was boarding with this woman and her husband in the woods. She only watched Maude. Only time the TV was turned on. She and Maude were going through menopause together. I sat in the TV audience once and commented on the set to the producer. Bea Arthur Sometimes it got bogged down with topical issues. When they were bickering it was great.
"Alright Arthur, alright alright! I will get you back your damned broach! (A beat) But I am not having a good time here."
Great cast, totally memorable characters, they are in sync with each other and this show beats "Seinfeld" in every way.
"Who CARES, Walter, WHO CARES?"
Hermione Gingold as Mrs. Nagatuck is classic. The ep. where she gets her own apt. so she can knit and watch "Tony Orlando & Dawn" is hysterical.
Very funny show. Topical. Great cast. Bea Arthur is fab.