I'm surprised the cameraman had no reaction at all. I would've been like, "What the..." as it began to nosedive and "SHIT!!!" when it crashed. But he's just as cool as a cucumber, and no commentary whatsoever.
It was a dashboard cam that caught the crash.
How terrifyingly quick a catastrophe can happen. Those people never had a chance
Do you think an Afghani helped load the plane and purposefully didn't secure the cargo so it would move around and mess up the plane's stability? Or do you think they were overconfindent in the plane's abilities and put too much cargo on? Or do you think simply a strap holding the cargo broke?
This is a horrifying video. You think about the people inside who had no way out of this fate and it terrifies you.
Can you imagine the pure terror these people felt? Christ.
What do you think happens to them after the crash? Do they immediately die? Or is it a slow death being on fire roasted alive?
That is my fear every time I get on a plane. Most accidents happen during landing and takeoff, not usually once they are at cursing altitude.
It was a cargo plane only had 7 people but still horrible.
Like most foreign airlines, they just have lower standards for pilots and crew in general.
Most pilots in the US are former military guys who could do barrel rolls without a second thought. But newer pilots and pilots in other countries don't come from that background, they just need to log enough flying time to qualify. Hence they dont know how to control unusual situations as well or as an automatic reflex.
R3, don't dashboard cams capture audio, too? I remember watching footage from a cruiser's dashboard cam 10 years ago, where a rookie cop pulled over a Vietnam vet who ended up going crazy on him and shooting the cop multiple times to death. You could hear everything -- the vet cussing him off, the cop keeping his cool, the gun shots, and finally the cop gurgling in his own blood. It was disturbing.
Statistically, most people die in the fire ball after a crash, not the actual crash itself.
Something to think about when people blow it off as "if its your time its your time" attitude.
No one ever says that when someone dies in a house fire.
Why were those 7 people on the plane? Was it cheaper to fly on a cargo plane? 6 were from Michigan and 1 was from Kentuckie.
They were crew and maintenance people I think.
Didn't Denzel get a nomination for this?
What's on the 747's ipod?
"Please Help me I'm Falling"
"I'm Beginning to See the Light"
30,000 fucking feet?
KENTUCKIE, R11?!?! KENTUCKIE?
I was on a plane last week that seemed to take off so slowly, and then it felt as if it was going to stall. I was having visions of this happening. I got so panicked - it was a horrible feeling. I was a bit over-tired, so that didn't help.
Is the video of the plane crashing real? CNN described the footage of the plane crashing as purported video. Does that mean it has not been proven real?
I do digital film effects, it looks real to me. Usually if its a fake it too perfect of a camera shot. They aim the camera where they know ahead of time where they want the subject.
This was a dash cam. They are catching all sorts of things these day. I have one myself, I am amazed at how clear they are. It always on so it will capture things unexpectedly.
[R8] RIDICULOUS comments and clearly you are NOT in the industry or have a FKing Clue.
THere is NO difference between training to fly a 747 aircraft for passenger ops or cargo, or a mix of both. Boeing requires that every operation train pilots to a rigorous standard after all it is THEIR brand name that the world sees. Military vs Civilian - yet Another stupid myth. In fact in many ways Civilian creates a much better rounded flying background.
I fly these aircraft, same location, diff company. Lower standards? Really? It so happens that one of the training maneuvers required in recovery from unusual attitudes, and these heroic pilots appear to have followed the guidelines to the letter. They recovered and simply had run out of altitude and pancaked in. All of that in a top altitude of 200' is remarkable.
A dear friend is a Captain for this company and he is an extraordinary Aviator.
Everyone most likely perished upon impact. It would have been 2 operating pilots, maybe extra there, and mechanic and loadmaster.
Will leave the cause up to the investigators.
This was a heroic crew.
This is completely real footage. Exactly what a stall looks like.
The driver was not realizing initially what he was seeing, normal reaction, had to tell from a takeoff if not an aviator. Shock, even. Lastly I expect that he may well have been concerned with proximity of his vehicle to aircraft once it was clearly descending and would impact the ground.
[quote]Like most foreign airlines, they just have lower standards for pilots and crew in general.
What does this have to do with this situation? It's a U.S. company with a Michigan-based crew.
So touchy R20, never said I was in the industry.
Your argument dose not hold water. Of course everyone is trained to some standards. But military guys have much, much, much more fly time then civilians. How would a civilian be better, you offer no reason to back up that statement. Especially as you say, they get the same training.
US has a lot of plane crashes, but like it or not, more happen in other countries per flight then in the US. Explain that.
Then again, most pilots I have met in the US are big time functioning alcoholics. Racing to the next city before the bars close.
Do you think this is what happened to Aaliya's plane? Hers was overloaded, too.
You can actually hear the driver say "fuck" a couple times later in the video. I'm guessing he was in shock initially.
R23 reads too many books/watches too many movies.
R20. I've flown in and out Israel and other hot spots several times on passenger jets. The seem to ascend and descend mat much more steep angles, El Al said it was to help reduce risk of surface to air attacks. Did it look like this plane was climbing at a steep angle and stalled? TIA
Is it possible to atch that video without all the red shit?
Freaking scary...I'm so not ready to board that flight tomorrow!
[quote]Do you think this is what happened to Aaliya's plane? Hers was overloaded, too.
This one probably was not overloaded. The load was likely improperly secured and shifted toward the rear of the plane during takeoff.
Aaliyah's plane was overloaded as well as being improperly balanced. They lost their last-best chance of a safe flight when they loaded 800 lbs. of luggage and equipment in the rear of the cabin and made the bodyguards, who were the heaviest but "least-important" members of the entourage, crowd back there with it. If they had paid heed to the pilot and left behind a member of their group to escort the luggage and equipment back to the USA on a separate plane, they wouldn't have crashed.
[quote]I'm guessing he was in shock initially.
I wonder if he isn't on some sort of anti-depressant meds that numb the senses of those who have to deal with wartime horrors on a regular basis. That or maybe he is just so jaded from the violence around him that sights like that don't register with the same immediacy they would to us.
[quote] This was a heroic crew.
Dying horribly is heroic?
Çuntiness prevails here, obviously.
R30, why did the pilot on Aaliyah's flight agree to take off? Surely he knew the risks. Although back when I was an FA, we had a flight that was overloaded and the pilot basically said "fuck it, it's Christmas", and we took off anyway, so who knows.
Who was on that plane?
Who wanted him dead?
r33 - let me guess, USAir?
You probably see that every day in Afghanistan...
Cheryl was the only passenger on that flight. She was returning to the US from Afghanistan after her USO entertainment tour was very poorly received (obviously) by the GIs.
[quote] I'm surprised the cameraman had no reaction at all. I would've been like, "What the..." as it began to nosed
He says, "Ah fuck," which kind of surprised me on a newspaper's website.
He may not have seen it happen. He could have been texting or playing with the music on his phone/MP3 or pulling a cigarette out of a box and lighting it. It happened pretty quickly from the time it stalled until it crashed.
He's not a camera man, it was captured by a dashboard cam on a truck. The cam sees it happen, but he may not have seen it if he was distracted. He probably passes by the airport with planes taking off all the time and it didn't even register with him when the plane went up. If he looked away, all he would see is a huge fire on the ground and it may have taken a few seconds for him to realize what happened.
They used to come into Baghdad at a very steep angle to prevent missile and machine gun attacks
Baghdad International Airport:
Aircraft take off and land at the airport using a "corkscrew maneuver," a spiraling pattern of climbing and descending directly over the airport to avoid coming within range of small arms and missiles on the ground. The unusual and uncomfortable takeoff and landing procedures are still used despite the significantly improved security situation.
I'm guessing the do the same in Afghanistan
Uhhh....R38...I think you should present some more possible suppositions..
He's baked. I hear him toking.
So he corkscrewed himself into the ground?
He has a dog with him
He could have been jerking off
[quote]What's on the 747's ipod?
The same thing that was on Patsy Cline's iPod - "I Fall to Pieces."
He could have been fucking the dog
The driver is stoned. He keeps stopping and starting and driving in different directions, then going back again.
Yeah, I agree the driver is stoned. The only thing he DIDN'T do was try to start a car that was already started, repeatedly. Haven't you ever done that when you were stoned? It's like a universal stoned thing to do.
I always make a cross upon take off and landing, also have a double before I get on.
Love the defensiveness when twats gets called out.
RIP people, and stuff.
Were there any survivors?
Yeah r53, all of them walked away
BULLSHIT, R54. They said 7 of them died.
[quote]BULLSHIT, [R54]. They said 7 of them died.
R53/r55. Let me introduce you to sarcasm. Helen Keller could have sat in front of that video and told you no one lived. (BTW, she was deaf and blind)
[quote]Yeah [R53], all of them walked away
Did r53 watch the video!?
I would have walked away!
Yes, I did watch the video. They said only 7 of them died, which is a miracle in itself.
There were only 7 people on the plane. It was a cargo plane - the load probably shifted throwing the plane into a stall.
Although they would have known they were going to die, I guess it least it would only have been a few seconds before impact, and maybe not enough time to really process what was happening.
I imagine the impact would have killed them, so at least they didn't have to experience being burnt alive.
Again, the reading comprehension on DL is amazingly bad.
"Can you imagine the pure terror these people felt?"
The attempt to so do put me off planes for good in 2000. Before then I had flown overseas about a dozen times.
That's no way to live your life, R64. It's far more dangerous to drive than it is to fly. Pity you put so much faith in yourself--who only had to pass a test at 16--instead of rigorously trained pilots.
R64, I know what you mean. Nowadays I always take the train from NY to Paris.