mariage pour tous! starting this june. i would love a paris wedding....
17:26 Scuffles outside parliament. Our reporter Dan Mac Guill says the leader of the anti-gay marriage movement Frigide Barjot was accosted as she came out of the National Assembly." Pro-gay marriage supporters shouted 'homophobe' at her and 'Frigide Fascho'. Riot police had to protect and moved in to seal off a street so she could get away."
I think the "protesters" were fake and were meant to attack the socialist govt
Exactly, r5. The wing nuts are the same everywhere, spreading hate and propaganda via homophobia. It's one of the last lightning rods to utilize.
L'amour! L'amour! Toujours l'amour!
Countess de Lave
And the French Embassy in Tripoli got bombed a few minutes ago. Two French guards wounded. Major damage.
And a hearty FUCK YOU to all the conservative Christians, Jews and Muslims who were against it.
Congratulations to France!
My partner and I are considering a trip to France this fall. Any idea what the marriage requirements are for foreigners there? I realize it won't mean shit back here in the States, but it would be a nice gesture.
OUI! Quelle Bonheur!!
Kudos. Back to planning a Trip to Paris. They deserve my money. Now if Air France would just reinstate that great special they had whereby you could stop off in Paris for a stay for no extra charge on your way to any other European city.
The French can't do anything without a bit of drama.
Still, congratulations. May America catch up to the civilized countries soon.
Passed, but not before exposing France as the most homophobic country in western Europe.
Such good news. I was starting to hate them after the anti-gay protests, and had cancelled them off my future dream vacation list.
Kudos to all the folks who worked so long and hard to make this happen. Awesome achievement.
[quote]Passed, but not before exposing France as the most homophobic country in western Europe.
55 to 60% of the French general populace are in favour of gay marriage. Why are you believing the homophobes' narrative? Just because the bigots are louder doesn't mean there are more of them.
Because, r16, as everyone knows, that still leaves a lot of bigots and they were shockingly loud, crude and even violent
And imho it's worse because unlike homophobic places like Uganda or Oklahoma or Saudi Arabia or wherever the education is shit and the people are ignorant, these French bigots had the advantage of a French education and life in one of the most sophisticated places on earth. It's chosen ignorance and bigotry. Thoroughly disgusting. No excuses.
Anyway, congrats to the REST of France for doing the right thing.
Spain is still a more gay friendly country than France, and the men is hotter too imo.
This is great news. France's vocal bigots didn't get their way.
My impression of the protests was that it was a way for the fractured right wing to rally around SOMETHING. I think most of them (like their French countrymen) couldn't care less if someone is gay and wants to get married. This was a dig at the current socialist government. Demonstrations against gay marriage were just the most convenient weapon for conservatives to use.
And yet the U.S. Supreme Court is probably preparing a decision that will say Americans aren't ready for same sex marriage yet. France is but not the U.S.
[quote] I think most of them (like their French countrymen) couldn't care less if someone is gay and wants to get married.
ugh. Quit making excuses for reprehensible behavior. If the same shit went down in Alabama you wouldn't bend over backwards to excuse it.
Just call it by its name. Inexcusable bigotry.
And the gay community fends off another viscous attack by the Catholic Church.
[quote]these French bigots had the advantage of a French education and life in one of the most sophisticated places on earth.
People have this perception of the French being "sophisticated" when they really aren't. Spain has fewer cases of homophobia and embraced gay marriage with virtually no resistance.
Yeah and isnt spain very heavilly catholic? More so than france at least. would be a shame though if all this gets reverted to sharia law 40 years from now
Yeah, why does France have the perception of being so enlightened and liberal, when it actually is not?
Uruguay (Your-a-gay) also recently approved gay marriage. WTF. Uruguay before the U.S? Shameful.
Though, admittedly, I have no real reason to believe Uruguay should be behind the U.S. when it comes to this issue.
[quote]Another country ahead of the land of the free and home of the brave.
I am so sick of this thinking. The processes in both countries is different. Nine states (plus DC) already had gay marriage before France. In New England (which is about the size of some European countries) it's been legal for years. Only Rhode Island is left to complete the picture, but even that appears to be likely sooner than later. You have to remember that the US is a huge country made up of 50 states with their own set of laws.
Germany is now the anti-gay center of Western Europe.
maybe one day you will have healthcare, too
sad that friends of the bombing victims had to go online to raise funds for their healthcare
[quote]Germany is now the anti-gay center of Western Europe.
Yes, it amazes me how a country that is 60% atheist still doesn't have gay marriage. Why is the gay movement in Germany so lazy?
It's not always about religion my parents were from a tiny latvian village that was very lutheran they were never told to be prejudiced against gay people. Super catholic spain had gay marriage for some time now.
I think religion is an easy excuse for biggots. Billy bob in Oklahoma would still hate gay people without his interpretation of religion telling him so.
Most of the protesters were white trash. Just look at the pics in the link below.
Whether we like it or not, Catholic (or nominally Catholic) societies led on this ... from Spain and Portugal to Belgium, Argentina and Uruguay. Spain did it with no fuss.
[quote]People have this perception of the French being "sophisticated" when they really aren't
All French citizens have access to French education, one of the best and most standardized in the world.
Most homophobic people in other parts of the world have the excuse of being ignorant. The French do not.
VIVE LA FRANCE
Italy really isn't a country. Italy is just the Vatican, with lots of people living around it.
R28, nice try, but it's transparently off-base.
First of all, your chronology doesn't hold up. Only Massachusetts had full marriage in 2004, and it didn't do so democratically, but by judicial force. The next state to do so was Connecticut in 2008. By that time, several countries, including another federation, Canada, as well as Belgium, the Netherlands, Spain, and South Africa.
So no there was no wave of states far ahead of the rest of the world.
But let's get back to your main argument.
The United States is a country. It's not a federation of states, as Republicans, Federalists, and the Confederacy wanted it to be.
The United States has a national constitution that, as it has been interpreted, is not supposed to tolerate discrimination based on nothing more than dislike of gay people, feelings of moral superiority, and gender stereotyping.
And if you think other countries do not have factions just because they're smaller, your ignorance is astounding. The Nordic countries all have rural factions with significant voting power that have proved conservative strongholds on issues like sterilizing trans people and forbidding gay couples from using surrogates. Spain and France are rife with Catholicism (as are Argentina and Uruguay) and Spain in particular remains as politically fractured as any country.
The U.S. is a nation of excuses. Hoo-rah, U-S-A chants, and "We're #1" shouts all claiming it's the best NATION on earth, not just a big geographic blob with a few good states.
And in those states that granted marriage, it wasn't full marriage because it didn't qualify as marriage federally.
You can do better.
Americans chant USA#1! upon waking every morning. They have been well programmed.
The less religious or secular a country is the more likely it will accept marriage equality. Im just going to assume the France is more religious than say Spain or Portugal.
[quote]The less religious or secular a country is the more likely it will accept marriage equality.
Then why doesn't Germany have gay marriage? It's 60% atheist.
According to the Eurobarometer Poll 2010, 45% of German citizens agreed with the statement "I believe there is a God", whereas 25% agreed with "I believe there is some sort of spirit or life force" and 27% said "I do not believe there is any sort of spirit, god, or life force". According to a new 2012 poll released by WIN-Gallup International, 51% of the German citizens said that they are religious, 33% said not religious, 15% said atheist, and 1% gave no answer.
According to the Eurobarometer Poll 2010
27% of French citizens responded that "they believe there is a God".
27% answered that "they believe there is some sort of spirit or life force".
40% answered that "they do not believe there is any sort of spirit, God, or life force".
According to a study led by CSA Group in 2000–2001 on 24,810 individuals for the French Catholic newspaper La Croix, numbers were as follow : Roman Catholic (69%), Atheism and Agnosticism (22%), Protestantism (2%), and others (7%).
There are an estimated five to six million individuals of Muslim origin in the country (8 to 10 percent of the population), although estimates of how many of these are practicing vary widely. According to a 2004 survey, 36 percent of Muslims identify themselves as regularly observing traditional rites and practices. However, according to press reports of a September 2006 poll, 88 percent of Muslim respondents report that they were observing the Islamic holy month of Ramadan, a marked increase over previously recorded levels of observance. According to press reports, there are more than 2,000 mosques in the country. Protestants make up 3 percent of the population, the Jewish and Buddhist faiths each represent 1 percent, and those of the Sikh faith less than 1 percent.
The 2007 CIA World Factbook lists the religion of France as: Roman Catholic 83–88%, Protestant 2%, Jewish 1%, Muslim 5%–10%, unaffiliated 4%. In 2002 the CIA World Factbook stated that 88–92% of the French population was Catholic. The source of these numbers is unclear.
According to the Statistical Yearbook of the Church published by the Vatican, Annuario Pontificio, there were 46,875,000 French catholics (74.9% of the population) in December 2009.
In a 2003 poll 41% of the respondents said that the existence of God was "excluded" or "unlikely". 33% declared that "atheist" described them rather or very well, and 51% for "Christian". When questioned about their religion, 62% answered Roman Catholic, 6% Muslim, 2% Protestant, 1% Jewish, 2% "other religions" (except for Orthodox or Buddhist, which were negligible), 26% "no religion" and 1% declined to answer. The discrepancy between the number of "atheists" (33%) and the number of with "no religion" (26%) may be attributed to people who feel culturally close to a religion, follow its moral values and traditions, but do not believe in God.
In a 2012 poll conducted by WIN-Gallup International, 37% of respondents said they were religious, 34% said they were not religious, 29% said convinced atheist and 1% didn't give an answer
Have you ever been to Spain? it's WAY more religious than France. (Italy beats them all) I'm suprised the law was ever passed there. The difference is that France is much more fervent in it's protests.
There is also a fast growing Pentecostal and evangelical movement in France.
Tens of thousands demonstrate against new law legalizing gay marriage in France
By Associated Press,
PARIS — Tens of thousands of people protested against France’s new gay marriage law in central Paris on Sunday.
The law came into force over a week ago, but organizers decided to go ahead with the long-planned demonstration to show their continued opposition as well as their frustration with President Francois Hollande, who had made legalizing gay marriage one of his keynote campaign pledges in last year’s election.
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Marchers set off from three separate points across Paris, and by early evening they filled the Invalides esplanade just across the Seine River from the Champs Elysees.
Police estimated around 150,000 people took part in the demonstration, but march organizers claimed on their Twitter account that more than a million people did.
A similar protest in March dew about 300,000.
Around 5,000 police were on duty Sunday because previous anti-gay marriage protests have seen clashes between far-right protesters and the police.
First gay couple married, scroll to "Montpellier residents express their view on the wedding" video for the "man on the street" reaction
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