They hid their deaths so well that everyone still thinks they're alive.
Like Doris Day
If they did
would they know?
I feel like I've read DL speculation about:
Sammy Davis Jr.
Some guy from Knots Landing insisted he was losing weight from a water melon diet. (he was black too....you can't make this stuff up)
I can confirm Raul Julia and Henry Mancini.
I believe all died of cancer except for Hensen who died of pneumonia, unrelated to HIV (at the hospital where I work). On what planet is DL a reliable source for anything except speculation and gossip.
All of those people in Aurora, CO. James Holmes is innocent, guys!
Miles Davis was rumored
Raul Julia's food poisoning death always sounded suspicious.
I can also confirm that Jim Henson's death had nothing to do with AIDS.
Kenneth Lay. Whoops, he's probably not dead!
Liberace. Curious how this will be handled in the HBO movie.
[quote]Wow. I was just about to post a what ever happened to thread about Luther Vandross. I had no idea he died
Where have YOU been for the past umpteen years?
[quote]Some guy from Knots Landing insisted he was losing weight from a water melon diet. (he was black too....you can't make this stuff up)
Your flippant wording is very douchey. "Some guy...", "he was black too..." What an asshole.
Anyway, his name was Larry Riley. He had a very strapping physique before he started noticeably losing weight.
Raul Julia didn't die from AIDS. HIs symptoms didn't match, and he died at a time when therapies were available. Also, he wasn't gay, from all indications, for what that's worth - his life style didn't seem to suggest an HIV infection from non-sexual sources.
The family never said what the problem was that started the chain of events that killed him. The rumors at the time were that he had surgery for stomach cancer, always a tricky business. He lost weight (characteristic of metastasis) and had the food poisoning after the initial surgery. He kept working, but weakened and finally was hospitalized for abdominal pain, had a stroke, went into a coma, and died. Supposedly.
I think the family - after his wishes - kept the cancer quiet and have not talked since his death.
I wouldn't be surprised if Miles Davis died with, if not from AIDS. Howard Rollins also comes to mind. His lymphoma seemed associative with HIV, to me.
I remember Amanda Blake's (GUNSMOKE) death was initially not reported as being AIDS. She contracted it from her husband.
I wonder if she got it from letting him do her in the ass, R28.
I had the same thought about Tina Chow, who was one of the first hetero women to die of AIDS. She had an affair with a "bisexual" guy.
Part of the reason why AIDS didn't sweep through the het population is that it's much harder to catch through the vag.
Max Robinson and/or Frank Reynolds
That just shows you how well hidden it was R19.
Lenny Baker of "Next Stop, Greenwich Village".
[quote] Raul Julia didn't die from AIDS. HIs symptoms didn't match, and he died at a time when therapies were available
There were therapies available then (AZT, Videx and Hivid -which was eventually discontinued years later because it was so ineffective), but they really didn't extend life for very long
Arthur Ash was not a secret aids death, of course, but there were rumors the cause was a secret.
I also seem to recall subsequent rumors surrounding the Shah of Iran (he would have been an early casualty) and the choreographer Jack Cole.
Later in, George Peppard's was another death with associated rumors.
And of course, MALCOLM FORBES.
Wasn't Jim Henson's death sudden? I don't remember any period of decline or sickness.
[quote]Al Sharpton in 5, 4, 3....
He looks like a male Star Jones with that massive head and a shrunken body.
r27, That was mentioned outright in a bio of Davis I read (Swed was the author).
I was pissed off that there was no mention of his sexuality, yet the author stated flat out that it was possible he died from AIDS.
To the Al Sharpton posters: This doesn't have anything to do with AIDS per se, but a very close male friend who formerly moonlighted at a venue in Chicago where Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton held "inspirational" cultural presentations in the early 80's said that Al Sharpton was all over the 18-21 year old boys like himself. This guy is not homophobic in the least, so I can't imagine him saying it for shock value.
I think his emaciated look stems from gastric bypass surgery which tends to give one's face a very drawn look. Plus, I'd bet he eats like a bird now in hopes of staying slim.
And you guys do know that cancer is one of the contributing factors which can cause one's HIV status to progress into full blown AIDS, don't you? If you have an immune suppressed internal system you are less able to prevent the cancer cells we all have in our body from mutating healthy cells into becoming malignant and producing tumors... hence the term AIDS Related Cancer. For obvious reasons, many prefer to have their obits read cancer than ARC.
Roy Cohn threatend to ruin anyone who speculated he had AIDS. He thought the "secret" went to his grave with him.
James Coco (“heart attack”)
Perry Ellis (“Acute Encephalitis” – that one took the cake)
Gumby and Pokey. Trust me.
Jensen Ackles - 2024
The rumor in certain social circles over in Puerto Rico was that Raul Julia fell ill with cancer. He kept it to himself in order to remain insurable and, in essence, played Russian Roulette with his health. That was the rumor and I have no way to know if it is true or not at all.
R33, your information is wrong and silly. Many treated cases of full-blown AIDS, not to mention HIV infection, extending to the early 1990s saw and have seen life expectancy extended. I am following a sample of such men (all gay males) and none have died, nor have the five of my personal acquaintances and relatives whose AIDS extend to the late 1980s.
None of which means that lives weren't lost and continue to be lost to AIDS, treatment or not. The point is that your information is unhelpfully wrong.
I always wondered about the sudden death of Paul Lynde. His death certificate says "heart attack", but a newspaper article at the time claimed he weighed about 95 lbs at the time of his death. I also remember the official cause of death was not immediately released.
Al Sharpton is so polarizing that if he was on the DL, the NY Post would have had that story.
He definitely had gastric bypass.
Bin Ladin. He took big cocks up his stinky shitter for years.
I always wondered about Eazy-E's death and the story put out.
Only because much of the black community seems as inherently awful to its own over being gay as white hillbilly bible-bashers are.
Monty Clift's death was labeled heart attack and he weighed about 95lbs so I guess a thin person can have a heart attack. Probably from all the abuse the body took over the years.
Wasn't Ray Sharkey's (Wiseguy) cause of death kinda of a secret? He died from AIDS from drug use.
Why would a man on the downlow want to begin an AIDS-preventing drug program- no matter what wonder drugs were available? That would out him immediately.
Elaine Stritch had a secret death two years ago. She was replaced by a Muppet and nobody has noticed.
Luther was rumored to be poz.
[quote]I always wondered about Eazy-E's death and the story put out.
I'm sorry but he was a very ignorant man. He did an interview ages ago where he claimed that he had many ladies a night and that he made sure to take Tetracycline after having had sex with them sans a condom.
Sorry. But he was as ignorant as he was self destructive. It's all a damn' shame if anything and I take no pleasure in relating any of this at all.
They say Rev. James Cleveland, but it's all hush-hush...
[R54] We're all grown ups here, and I'm reasonably sure that few DL members think that a straight man is likely to sero-convert by having lots of sex with women. It's not a racial or gay thing...it's a physiological thing. Men are secretors, woman are not. Unless the woman is on her period and the man's dick is covered in open sores or cuts, it's damn near impossible.
So many Black folks say. "no way Eazy got AIDS from a man."
I say, if you weren't in hiss asshole, how would you know?
Raul Julia's illness was never been revealed. He would show up looking awful(see picture) He "got sick" and died. Read Frank Langella 's book. He was Julia's best friend and even says he was completely heterosexual, but was in love with Raul and the only guy he would have slept with. But he too say Raul "got sick" and never revealed what it was. It's a duck.
R56 - you do know that HIV is present in a woman's vaginal secretions, right? I'm not talking about when she is on her period, but the natural secretions during intercourse. It is possible to contract HIV if these fluids enter the tip of the penis. The risk goes up quite a bit more if the male has any sores/abrasions on his dick. Check out aids.org, thebody.com, etc for more information.
Miles Davis sure looked like AIDS face with a touch of AIDS dementia thrown in. The sunken ashy features but particularly the bulging , vacant crazy eyes.
Switching gears, although Princess Margaret's death was attributed to declining health due to a series of strokes, lung and liver disease from smoking and drinking and complications from burns to her feet, some gossip says she caught HIV from a lover who later died of AIDS.
Al Sharpton is gay?
A famous down low athlete who died from AIDS did not get it from a blood transfusion. Why do you think the hospital and blood bank were not sued.
Miles Davis' death was acknowledged to be from AIDS-related complications. I remember reading about it way back in the early 90s.
[quote]A famous down low athlete who died from AIDS did not get it from a blood transfusion.
Why are you hiding his identity?
[quote]Why do you think the hospital and blood bank were not sued.
Depends when it happened. They couldn't be sued on the days before HIV could be screened. Why do you think so many cases of AIDS due to transfusion happened to start with?!
Arthur Ashe? He's dead. He doesn't care if you use his name.
[quote]Luther was rumored to be poz.
Are we talking about Martin Luthor? Or just Luther Vandross?
And Luise Ranier
[quote] Are we talking about Martin Luthor? Or just Luther Vandross?
Lex Luthor, Rose!
Arthur Ashe's AIDS death wasn't kept secret, but the CAUSE of his infection sure was.
Was Bill Blass's cause of death reported as AIDS at the time?
The only one I really suspect is Easy-E, like r49 mentions.
Linda Day George's hubby....can't remember his name.
I remember Bob Hope saying that "some big names" actually died of Aids; but was listed as something else. No one followed up on that question.
Always wondered about Howard Hughes. His death was so similar to those of Aids victims.
I don't believe Luther had AIDS. He suffered from some ailments plus the gaining and dropping weight took a toll.
Guru (the rapper)
I thought Suge Knight had Eazy infected. Google around. And Ice Cubes album was called Lethal Injection. Cripes I sound like some weirdo on the Johnny depp thread but there's a lot of evidence.
I stand corrected on Luther, in that I hadn't heard rumors of him being positive but others seem to have.
I did hear about Rev. James Cleveland, r55. It's not as much a secret as it once was.
I've heard this time and time again, but what are the circumstances under which he was suppose to have been stuck? r79
Lady Bird Johnson.
She was big into sharing needles.
I wonder about John Inman. He allegedly died of hepatitis.
NASCAR driver Tim Richmond.
Eazy was a crackhead and blackout drunk. He was a pretty easy target.
I wondered about McQueen too. His treatments in Mexico with apricot pits sounded extrememly desperate.
Andy Warhol died of AIDS but New york Hospital and the art world in general covered it up so the market for his works wouldn't go south. I got this from the then director of the hospital, whose wife was a New York State judge. they frequented my restaurant on the Upper East Side.
The actor who played Carlos on "The Flying Nun" was also an early AIDS victim, but that one was covered up as well. Alejandro Rey.
r46, Paul Lynde died of a heart attack while using poppers. The guy he shared them with was in the bed when Paul was stricken. Those details weren't in the Obit.
Please quit mentioning black rappers in this thread. It is disrespectful to the deceased stars and athletes.
Look, there is absolutely no disrespect intended. I was a huge Eazy E fan. HUGE. But it is such a disservice to the funding powers that be to pretend that Magic and Eric Wright sero-converted from hetero-sex. The money for a vaccine and a cure needs to be directed where it is most needed. If women caused men to sero-convert, 50% of the white male population in this country would be poz.
Now, if you have info that Eazy was an intravenous drug user who shared needles, i could buy that theory. But considering the who's who of Black Celebritydom are nearly all on the DL, why would Eazy, Dre's good friend, be any different?
I remember reading in a newspaper that Eazy E died of AIDS. Why are people pretending it wasn't AIDS? That's just pathetic.
And as someone stated, Magic Johnson is believed to have gotten HIV from sex with men. When I used to do AIDS education back in the 90's, many of the speakers with HIV would talk about drugs, and murder and everything else EXCEPT the fact that they were gay/bi. What a complete fucking disservice to the kids, but even AIDS wouldn't pull those speakers out of the closet.
"I am following a sample of such men (all gay males) and none have died, nor have the five of my personal acquaintances and relatives whose AIDS extend to the late 1980s."
Your anecdotal evidence is meangingless. I'm in an HIV support group and three out of seven members have died within the last year. All your palaver in service of keeping Julia in the closet... I've lived too long to be surprised by how much people are willing to sacrifice to the closet, but I'll never stop being disgusted by it.
When I was working as a flight attendant there was a very specific time, I think around 1982-3) where airlines were fighting to keep AIDS patients of the aircraft(not so much because folks thought it was easily communicable, but because it upset other passengers too much). During this brief time many men were flying home east from the west coast to die at their family's home. I know what a man looks like when he dies from AIDS before all the meds were on the market.
Raul Julia looked exactly like that when he died.
And so did Henry Mancini(The Pink Panther and Blake Edwards best friend.)
If AIDS cannot be passed from woman to man, then please explain the apocalyptic amount of AIDS victims in Sub-Saharan Africa. Surely not all of the MILLIONS of men who are positive in Africa and many other parts of the world can ALL be gay.
Think before you post and realize that you might be spreading dangerous misinformation. Vaginal secretions carry the virus. If a man has a small cut on his penis then he'll get the virus. Case closed.
NO case not closed. The people of sub Saharan Africa's immune systems are so compromised by the lack of clean water and other diseases, that they have a life expectancy of @35.
Unlike in the USA, a person with a normal immune system can come into contact with HIV and not ser-convert. It happens frequently. But when someone whose body is swimming with every parasite and critter known to man becomes HIV+, they have little to no chance.
My brother is a researcher/MD at the CDC in ATL, and he has assured me that the cases of female to male HIV transmission is 99.9% limited to IV needle sharing. You may not want to hear this, but isn't it better to know the truth so the government and big pharma can spend all the research funding where it's needed?
If women spread it to men, there would be a huge portion of the male hetero population who are poz.
More about George Peppard please.
I read in a book that Charles Laughton might have died of AIDS, but I don't believe it.
R88, details about Warhol, please.
So if r95 is correct then AIDS is primarily a gay male disease.
R88,I heard that story about Warhol shortly after he died but then I heard that the night before he was admitted to hospital(and died a little over 24 hours after that) he was at a party. Now we know that parties were his life,but was it really to that extent that he didn`t want to miss a single party until his last moment? How was he standing on his feet then?
No, r98. Women still get AIDS from sharing needles and having sex with MSM. r98 said your chances of getting AIDS from a woman via heterosexual sex are miniscule.
My partner and I are currently waiting on test results. A FB of ours told us he tested positive. The oral test was negative but he tested positive with the .....forget the name...test.
We also tested negative with the oral test. Waiting on the other test results.
How about any unmarried male who died of "pneumonia" from 1980 - 2000.
"Miles Davis sure looked like AIDS face with a touch of AIDS dementia thrown in. The sunken ashy features but particularly the bulging , vacant crazy eyes."
His looks could have also resulted from years of drug addiction or alcoholism or some other physical malady.
Remember all the AIDS rumors about Richard Pryor? He looked ghastly, so it had to be AIDS, right? Well, it turned out he had MS. His death was slow and agonizing, but it wasn't AIDS.
Steve McQueen, as it's been well-established, died of cancer. Plus, how would he have gotten AIDS? Sorry to dash your hopes, but he wasn't gay. He didn't use dirty needles and he wasn't a hemophiliac. Although he'd been a heavy smoker, it was later determined that the cancer was probably the direct result of massive exposure to asbestos while removing asbestos lagging from pipes aboard a troop ship during his time in the Marines.
Danny Kaye's death was tied to a contaminated blood transfusion, but it wasn't contaminated with AIDS, it was contaminated with hepatitis.
He died of a heart attack, following a bout with hepatitis.
Big Kitty from Gunsmoke secretly died of AIDS.
R106 It was no secret when she died.
Rene Enriquez who played the Hispanic police officer on HILL STREET BLUES
Amanda Blake was infected by her fifth husband, a California politician who was decades younger than he3r
liza minnelli has aids from all the different gay cocks shes had
R108, you meant "than her." You should have meant "than she."
When did Liza and Peter Allen divorce? Was it before AIDS started spreading?
If you go on You Tube you can watch "And the Band Played On" the movie adaptation of Randy Shilts' story of the AIDS virus and how it was ignored during the Reagan years.
At the end, and even during the movie as the body cunt rises, there are dozens and dozens of famous people who died "after a long illness" or who died of "pneumonia."
If you haven't seen it it's worth watching. If you have, it's worth seeing again.
I'm not sure if it's a secret that he died of AIDS but was Dan Hartman out?
[quote]Raul Julia didn't die from AIDS. HIs symptoms didn't match, and he died at a time when therapies were available.
In that recent documentary about Act UP they said 1995 was the worst year they faced. (I guess because hope was fading about the available drugs)
[quote]Andy Warhol died of AIDS but New york Hospital and the art world in general covered it up so the market for his works wouldn't go south. I got this from the then director of the hospital, whose wife was a New York State judge. they frequented my restaurant on the Upper East Side.
This is NOT TRUE.
I knew an African-American New Yorker in the Navy back in the 80s who went to the same church were Rev. James Cleveland preached and said that he was a big ol' queen. So was this guy IIRC. He was engaged to be married, but constantly talked about homosexual men and which famous people were gay or not. He also knew about Luther Vandross and Keith Barrow AND Stephen Burrows...could not have been straight. Nice body too.
Larry Reilly of Knot's Landing appeared on TV saying he was dying from Watermelons.
(no racial pun intended...this really happened folks...look it up)
At the end of Dr.Dre's video he goes to Eazy E's grave.
I thought that was weird and out of no where the first time I saw the video.
[quote]The people of sub Saharan Africa's immune systems are so compromised by the lack of clean water and other diseases, that they have a life expectancy of @35.
A friend and I were working on a project in one of those nations. At age 38, we were among the oldest men in that country.
I know a few guys from the mid-late 90's Manhattan that could spin a Luther Vandross story or two. They might all be dead from free-basing, though.
What about those celebrities who are alive, living with it, and pretend it doesn't exist? Such as Robert Downey Jr. and Tom Cruise. I would include Jon Claude van Damme, but he was drummed out off of the A-list when he made out with his boyfriend at a party in 1994 or 1995. Pretty harsh, huh?
Van Damme was never A-List.
[quote] What about those celebrities who are alive, living with it, and pretend it doesn't exist?
Like Courtney Love?
The AIDS epidemic in Africa has been challenged for a long time. It has been said that (a)if the epidemic did exist, millions more would be dead, and that (b)the figures have been tweaked so that African countries can get more aid (no pun intended)for malaria and typhus. Do a Google search for the Rolling Stone article on this subject.
The number of gay and lesbian people in the black church is amazing. A good friend of mine who is black told me that to this day the choir is a perfect place for a dl black teenage guy.
KiKi! KiKI! This board is too funny! "Al Sharpton in....."
r128, the reason for the inconsistent numbers was put forward in a book called The Origin of AIDS, by a researcher named Pepin.
His conclusion was that reusing needles in remote areas was responsible for AIDS spreading from very local areas to the whole continent.
He documented a very specific timeline. I wasn't totally convinced, especially about Haiti, but it was interesting reading.
R118, the source for that link is Darwin Porter's book. He makes up the most outlandish BS. I wouldn't be surprised if he claimed Mickey Mouse is gay.
Sorry everyone, I'm not trying to divert the top at all this came to my mind as I was reading this thread.
I read an article around a year ago that Jesse Jackson. Jesse Jackson was staying at a hotel and told one of the male employees he wanted him to help clean his room up. Jesse Jackson was staying in the hotel room because he had sex with a woman the night before. However, the man said Jesse Jackson stared at him and he unzipped his pants and demanded the guy give him a blow job. Apparently the guy sued Jackson for sexual harassment ,but it was settled out of court. Their most have been many other males in the past who were willing and did give Jackson a blow job if he was so confident. Why haven't I not herd about Jackson's bisexuality on DL before?
Has anyone on DL ever had sex with Jackson?
Does anyone here think Aids goes back farther than the 80s? I think actor Lawrence Harvey might have died of AIDS. Remember this, what people thought was cancer some rich and famous men might have been dying of AIDS. Years ago people didn't have a clue.
nah...r133 it would have spread like wildfire during the 60s
This is scary... I know that educational level and socioeconomic status are big factors, but do you think all the bareback porn these days plays a part? Are young men just ignoring condoms and just taking their chances because the disease is treatable? I know it's not a death sentence anymore, but don't they know that it is still a fucking humongous burden on their lives?
R135, my sister works at a sexual health clinic in a city if 3.5 million. Yes, there are young men who consider HIV a small wall to climb to be like all their friends.
I wish it weren't so.
R104 and R132, read the diaries of Leo Lerman. Lerman casually tosses off an anecdote about a good looking guy at a party whom McQueen takes behind a tree and blows.
Really, wouldn't you wnat cock after having to look at Ali "Lady Ashley" MacGraw for years?
Is Everyboday GAY??!!!
r138 Take a dollar out of petty cash, THAT was the funniest post I've seen today.
Wait a minute, Steve McQueen was a bottom? I find that hard to believe because I get the vibe that he would have been a top. What a sexy man!
Remember that mysterious illness that caused Burt Reynolds to go into hiding back in the late 80s? There were reports of him falling into a deep depression. He might have even tried to commit suicide. There was talk at the time that he had AIDS.
[quote]Doris Day is alive
That's what her former handlers want you to think.
[quote]I would include Jon Claude van Damme, but he was drummed out off of the A-list when he made out with his boyfriend at a party in 1994 or 1995.
So they drummed him off the A-list and he went crawling back to Broadway!
[quote]In that recent documentary about Act UP they said 1995 was the worst year they faced. (I guess because hope was fading about the available drugs)
How to Survive a Plague? Incredible piece of work. Any other year that would have won best documentary but Sugar Man couldn't be denied.