I am up here in Cambridge. It's like living in a horror movie, and I'm not being dramatic. WTF.
How is it different than a snowstorm? Jesus.
Oh I don't know r1, you insensitive moron, a terrorist is on the loose, police are everywhere, everything is on complete lockdown and nobody can leave their homes, plus several people had their limbs blown off a few days ago...WTF
Keep us posted OP!!
Is your ass at least fresh, OP?
you guys need Jack Bauer
These terrorists were sent from Turkey or Russia because they don't fit the Arab profile. No more big World Trade type attacks. Those who hate us are happy to do small attacks as long as Americans are killed and maimed.
OP are the roads open? Supposed to be heading to Royal Sonesta Hotel in cambridge on the river today...
Everything is locked down so I doubt the hotel is open.
What happens if you need food or water?
Be safe OP.
They are Russian.
Okay the Be Safe was to the OP. The "They are Russian" is to R6 who had it on the money.
hotel is open all access roads open - still going.
R10, some of us have these things called faucets in our kitchens. When we turn them on, water magically comes out of them.
We have food in refrigerators, freezers and pantries.
Oh OP, we suffer for you, locked in your home in Cambridge, Massachusetts. How completely horrifying for you!
We're sobbing as our boney fingers type.
OP = Frauen attention whore.
So how are businesses suppose to open? Smallbusinesses lime restaurants need to support themselves.
Stop attacking the OP! He's on the scene and nervous. Understandably.
And the Darfur orphans usually leave short effective messages. R15 is trying too hard.
I'd be frightened if I were OP. That's a scary situation to be in. Lots of noise and commotion, the media going crazy so you can't rely on them, and you have no idea what's going on outside.
how many babies will be created today during the lockdown?
R20 - for gay couples, I am assuming none.
This is just like the Scream movies when the town is on lockdown. How exciting.
[quote] how many babies will be created today during the lockdown?
And how will they come to be known later? "Terror babies"?
Swat twats. I meant to say tots.
Please don't let them be WHITE, Please don't let them be WHITE, Please don't let them be ...
[quote]This is just like the Scream movies when the town is on lockdown. How exciting.
Oh, how fun. Look out, it's Ghostface. Just kidding, it's just Djohar Tsarnaev. LOL.
When Bostonians can't leave their houses anymore, the terrorists have won.
[quote]They are Russian.
Actually, they're Chechen. The rest of the world considers that part of Russia, but radical Chechens want it to be separate.
[quote]When Bostonians can't leave their houses anymore, the terrorists have won.
stop being dramatic, crack the window back there....mama is going to light another cigarette.
Businesses need not open because there are no customers to patronize them. Just how good do you think business will be with a suicidal terrorist on the loose?
He's making a total splash!
R26, they aren't White... at least not what WE call White... they come from uzbeki beki beki stan for christ sake! White is about more than skin tone.
Now that we've settled that, why do all the Muslim whack jobs have to be so violent? Say what you will about the U.S. cults, but at least the Mormons and the Scientologists don't go around blowing people up.
R33 we're how many years away from one set of Christians burning others and so-called witches at the stake ?
[quote] Say what you will about the U.S. cults, but at least the Mormons and the Scientologists don't go around blowing people up.
[bold] 10 Years After Mormon Bombings, Forger's Crimes Retain Mystery [/bold]
I don't think so R6 i dont think theyve been sent by anyone. This will be about the mental/psych state of the older brother - that's where the answer lies. Who knows what he saw in his home country. I really think this has to do with alienation and psych issues. I do not think it is politically motivated... nor religious.
My mother lives in Watertown. I just spoke with her. She got a robocall from the Watertown Police at 3am telling everyone to stay in their house. She thought it was way too early to get up, so she went back to sleep and just got up to watch television a short while ago. She's fascinated with the news, but she says she's fine.
Her wayward son in California
Not "cornfed" white, but white just the same.
Every day of their lives these two guys would be considered white. But now all of sudden because they're terrorist, all of sudden people like R33 are calling them not white. So if they were from Italy or Greece would they also not be white?
So one bomber has been shot, the younger brother is on the run...and a third man arrested. It's 9am or 10 am Boston time.
Oh Jesus FUCK, they're brown--okay? Now shut the fuck up.
You know Mrs. Betty Bowers would take one look at their swarthy visages and ask them to leave.
So, no, not white.
Thank you, R39. In fact, every day everyone except Sub-saharan people are "white." Until they do something wrong---then they're "Arab," or in this case, I suppose, "beige."
The Irish were once thought of as Black. Categorization is fluid and socially motivated.
OP, don't be so goddamn dramatic. Boston is dealing with the Keystone Cops of terrorists and freaking out...meanwhile, every news story this week has gone on about how tough Bostonians are.
I am watching on the news. It is very scary, be careful OP. Apparently the whole city is locked down.
Hey R35, I'd be all for banning the Mormons and Scientologists too, if I could. Religion in general is a plague on society, actually. Not spirituality, but organized religion.
So called 'Christians' in the U.S. are actually a new thing. Over 20 years ago the Repugs realized that to win they needed to round up all the sects. Before that, the Protestants hated the Catholics, and so forth.
Still, the Muslims are the most violent religion out there. Draw a cartoon of their prophet and they issue an edict to chop your head off.
LOL at all you fucking racists trying to pretend these are white people.
They may be foreign, they may be muslim , but yes they're WHITE.
How does Boston have leaves on its trees & blooming flowers abound, but everything here in Michigan is still dead? As if!
But have you SEEN those sub-saharans? I saw on 60 Minutes where they brought some over and they were scared of the can opener and stuff.
There's a reason our ancestors were motivated enough to leave that shit hole Africa and theirs lazed around in their dung huts instead.
I've never seen people that looked that black. The one guy had cheek bones so high and wide he looked like an orangutan!
[quote]Still, the Muslims are the most violent religion out there. Draw a cartoon of their prophet and they issue an edict to chop your head off.
Oh FFS with this shit. [bold]Radical Muslims[/bold]. ALL Muslims are not of the same practice or politics.
Please, You're showing yourself to be the typical uneducated American.
There was a point in time that "Christians" wouldn't do the same. Look up the history of the Catholic church and the Fucking Crusades.
Wow. The racism will reek in here.
*sigh* We're a fucking ignorant country. And people wonder why America gets bombed every now and then. Why we elected morons for local leaders. Why we rank the lowest in education among "civilized" countries...
Just read a thread like this.
what a bunch of ill-informed idiots
r54 if you have to go back about 1000 years to make your point, it's not a very good one.
R54, violent Muslims are enough of a problem that you cannot say that only some Muslims are violent the same way that you would say only some Christians shoot abortion doctors and blow up abortion clinics.
r57 take your Christian bullshit back to Breitbart. We don't give a fuck.
Oh! Em! Gee!
They are, like, TOTALLY Muslimic!
Facts are, like SO prejudice!!!!
The younger bomber brother is actually pretty cute. Too bad he is a sick demented fuck!
*sigh* you know, there is tolerance and then there is ignorance in the name of 'multi-culturalism' and 'diversity'.
Try not to inject your emotions into the mix, not to add your desire for how you want the world to be, and stick with the facts.
It's like how the TSA pats down little girls in strollers with their spine painfully exposed because of spina bifida because we are afraid to focus on the type of individual that is more likely to bomb the fuck out of us.
It's just ridiculous. A little rational thought goes a long way. Try it.
R61... ew... just... gross...
Sad that the one was lucky enough to pull off a death by cop suicide. It'd have been better if they could have tortured the fuck out of him for a while. Hope they get to with the other one at least.
The papists are inherently violent, especially after 10AM and they have started on their whiskeys.
[quote][R54] if you have to go back about 1000 years to make your point, it's not a very good one.
The Holocaust, molestation, abortion clinic bombings, etc, were 1000 years ago?
[quote][R54], violent Muslims are enough of a problem that you cannot say that only some Muslims are violent the same way that you would say only some Christians shoot abortion doctors and blow up abortion clinics.
Do you know how many Muslims there are? Do you not realize that your rights are being denied because of Christians? The only thing that stops Christians from blowing shit up every year is Western law. Without it, we'd all be dead by now.
HOLY FUCK I cannot imagine being down in Watertown and Cambridge last night!
Yeah, fuck the Christians too, fine.
The Muslims still disproportionately blow shit up. Cold fact.
Catholic priests disproportionately rape little boys too, we get it. But still, you Muslims need to clean house, ok?
Stop blowing shit up. Whatever is making some of your peeps go loco, stop preaching it. Get rid of the Imams who preach that shit. Stop saying that it's only because of shit other people in the world are doing to you. Just fucking stop, damn.
(70) WELL SAID!!!!!
r70 is and sounds like the biggest idiot on the planet. Go back to watching Nickelodeon, moron.
They're not just white, they are the literal definition of Caucasian. Where all the white people come from.
"...two armed men reportedly carjack a Mercedes SUV in Cambridge. A man who was in the vehicle is held for about a half hour and then released unharmed at a gas station on Memorial Drive in Cambridge."
Where's the interview with the dude who was held by the terrorists for half an hour!? I wanna hear his story! And why in the world would they have released him alive? Weird.
[quote] they aren't White... at least not what WE call White... they come from uzbeki beki beki stan for christ sake! White is about more than skin tone.
R35 et al, you're an ignorant fuck.
[quote](70) WELL SAID!!!!!
You find the guy hot. Go die in a grease fire!
R33, uh, does the name Timothy McVeigh ring a bell??? 18 years ago today, he blew up the Murrah Federal Building. They're having their annual observance at the OKC Memorial on live TV here even as we speak.
[quote]Go die in a grease fire!
Talk about a fat wa!
They are NOT White. It's not that hard, people. Really. So you have a point of reference, THIS is White.
I actually like White Russians. Altho I'd prefer Black Russians if you're pouring.
Times like these I miss the FADTPT
Why the fuck do you people so vehemently deny that Muslims blow shit up?
Keep closing your eyes and plugging your ears and going lalalalala i can't hear you lalalalala.
This is obviously not something that's going away. And the answer is not to give them foreign aid. You give in to blackmail and the blackmailer is just going to keep coming back for more.
Start thinking of ways to stop people from dying and stop being an apologist.
Get a psychiatrist r81.
Get a real response, R82. Try using facts to create a logical argument. Otherwise, run along now, let the grown ups talk.
Why did the Savannah Guthrie thread, of all threads, get deleted?
OMG what a clusterfuck in that neighborhood right now. All these stupid news people, bystanders and about a thousand police officers running into each other like chickens with their heads cut off.
And just how much is all of this costing U.S. taxpayers?
R70 I love you man
The facts are that you're a crazy person foaming at the mouth with nonsense, therefore logic leads me to the conclusion that you need a psychiatrist, r81. Voila.
JFC, I feel like I'm watching some surreal version of Dragnet on CNN right now. Holy FUCK BALLS!!
THIS IS SO EXCITING!!!!!!!!!!!
Chechens don't fit a terrorist profile, R6? On what planet?
Chechens are separate from Russia like Florida is separate from America. Read: NOT.
r86 which is exactly the point in this.
Terrorists want to hurt our pocketbooks as much as our people.
On what planet do we give foreign aid to Chechnya, R81?
And if cutting foreign aid to terrorists magically makes terrorism disappear, why do we still give money to the biggest terrorist state in the world, Israel?
They are Caucasian.
Make of that what you will.
Sand neqqars are not white.
I just found Yahoos live blog. They are talking about an older man with a possible explosive device? Flipped the tv on and nothing like that on CNN. I guess I shouldn't be surprised.
What about people stuck in hospitals, 24 hour stores, the gym.
If it is under lockdown, are those people just stuck in there?
The city isn't literally "in lockdown." The police have just advised everyone to shelter in place.
So if people stay home will their pay get docked?
R98, I was thinking about that earlier. I work at night, and I can't imagine being stuck there indefinitely after my shift ends.
Hospital personnel are probably stuck there. That's not horrible unusual in the Boston area because of weather.
I would think 24 hour stores and gyms are closed. 24 hour stores especially because it makes sense the authorities want to limit the places he can get gas and food and rob for money. Gyms are not a necessity to anyone but urban DL-ers.
Get a grip R2- "terrorists" kill 230 (and exponentially more wounded) or so people a day in the US with guns- no one cares too much about that, now do they as we just found out this week?
All depends on how you dress the story, how it happens, where and when.
My brother lives in a Boston suburb and is stuck at home- his workplace is shut down.
Suffice to say he is not remotely frightened. He just wants to get back to work.
Are there people here who think our foreign aid builds schools, hospitals, and bridges?
Foreign aid goes to the ruling clique of whatever country will work with our corporations and police our interests. Much of it is earmarked for buying arms from our manufacturers. Israel, Saudi Arabia, and Egypt use our foreign aid to buy guns and tanks. The rest is doled out to the thugs who work for the ruling clique -- bought loyalty.
Sometimes the money never leaves the United States. It goes into the Egypt account, say, then they send money to the the companies who make tear gas in this country, and the country sends Egypt tear gas -- The Egyptian government used our tear gas canisters bought with foreign aid money we gave them on their own people, 144,000 canisters that we know about.
The Saudis do the same thing. They use our weapons on anyone outside the royal family who wants to participate in government. In return, they make sure we get oil.
Israel and the U.S. have a deal where we give them foreign aid with the provision that they use it to buy our guns at a discount. They use the tanks and machine guns on Palestinians.
The people who get caught up in the bombing madness aren't dumb people. They see women and children getting killed with weapons we supplied. They know why their government does that -- so people like them and their families at the bottom will stay at the bottom working, if they can find work, for pennies. They know why the U.S. does it -- to control their oil and labor for our gain.
They see the same pictures we see -- our bombs from our armed forces kill their people, and these are non-combatants -- women and children. see link.
Uncle's interview was wild!
Not Chechen. But they are losers!
The Uncle was a hot Daddy, too! Such intensity and a very good body.
It's kind of weird that all of the family members who've spoken out so far haven't been in touch with the bombers or their parents in years. What's up with that?
I knew that he would slip the net when I saw the Watertown police spokesman on at 3 a.m. He sounded like Becky Jackson from Glee.
The uncle is going insane on a news conference right now.
[quote]JFC, I feel like I'm watching some surreal version of Dragnet on CNN right now. Holy FUCK BALLS!!
24, not Dragnet. You sound old.
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Homeland, not 24 r110.
And you sound like you are poor and lack basic cable.
Maybe if this Muslim asswipe uncle had actually reached out to his nephews in the last 6 years instead of ignoring them, he wouldn't be in the center of this storm.
Mark my words. The uncle knows something. His vehement denials somehow didn't ring true. And let's not forget he's a Muslim.
It's a safe bet that the older brother was the "brains" of the operation. So now this stupid little brother is left to his own devices. I hope they take him alive.
My son lives in Cambridge and he's walking around outside. He said it's like a syfy movie ... and a complete overreaction to what now is a mild threat.
If you look at the article and photo essay done on the older brother, he was clearly living a lifestyle beyond the means of a student.
The younger brother's Facebook page listed something like organized crime as part of his interests. Their organized crime ties and their religious extremism were probably not connected, though maybe they were.
Either way, it looks like these guys were into more than one type of fucked up shit.
I empathize with the OP. I worked downtown NYC before, during and after 9/11. It was somewhat surreal; getting off the NY Waterway down by South Street Seaport and being greeted by military-clad individuals with assault rifles.
I live in the northern NJ suburbs. We have Picatinny Arsenal not far from where I live. I've seen plenty of military personnel but NOT with assault rifles.
So this is all playing out next to the Arsenal Mall?
How weirdly fitting. It was once an explosive factory.
"It's like how the TSA pats down little girls in strollers with their spine painfully exposed because of spina bifida because we are afraid to focus on the type of individual that is more likely to bomb the fuck out of us."
Most serial killers and mass shooters are white men but no one ever racially profiles THEM
90% of all murderers in general and 95% of mass murderers are male but no one ever says "Let's treat all males like criminals"
Uganda is an especially poor example R112, since the President is the worst mass murderer alive on the planet today.
If a bunch of Americans kept committing terrorists acts in another country, and I went to that country, I would expect higher scrutiny and I would not be offended by it.
Maybe they were from a different religion. I wouldn't say 'But I'm Protestant! Don't treat me this way!'. I would understand the country I was going to was doing what needed to be done for them to protect themselves.
I did a bunch of study abroad stuff in Europe in college. The American kids often did stuff like sew a Canadian flag patch onto their backpack so they wouldn't get hassled in some countries, so I'm not completely unaware of what this is like.
The mother of the two Chechnyan brothers suspected of setting off two bombs at the Boston Marathon was arrested last year for allegedly stealing $1,600 worth of clothes from an upscale department store. Zubeidat K. Tsarnaeva, 45, was charged with two counts of malicious/wanton damage and defacement to property after allegedly swiping the merchandise from a Lord & Taylor in Natick, Mass. in June 2012.
Kind of ironic.
What will happen to the swat teams soiled in sweat underwear?
So, she's the woman who took a dump at the department store!
DL hates Russian Jews.
[quote]...swiping merchandise from a Lord & Taylor
Where is Rich Russian Lady??? Is she safe? Why isn't she posting?
She at Clinique counter. Gift vit purchase. She busy.
[quote]Most serial killers and mass shooters are white men but no one ever racially profiles THEM
Jeffrey Dahmer wasn't blowing up airplanes. And do YOU ever trust a white man who asks you to get in a van?
You gotta watch out for everyone these days!
I saw on one of the Discovery Channels last night about the Black Eyed Kids. There's no iris or whites of their eyes, it's all black! It's unknown if they are vampires, alien-human hybrids, or demons.
They approach you in your car or home and ask to be let in. Don't do it! They will kill your ass. They have hypnotic abilities as well, so watch your hands while you talk to them. You might open the door without consciously doing it!
Maybe someone could start a thread about the Black Eyed Kids. Google it! Creepy as fuck.
How can I bang a swat team member? :(
Hold me David; I'm scared.
I heard an NPR interview with the high school classmate of the younger brother. They attended a public school, Cambridge Rindge and Latin School. The Wiki page for that school already has been updated: [italic]On April 19, 2013, the two suspects in the bombing of the 2013 Boston Marathon, Dzhokar and Tamerlan Tsarnaev, reportedly had attended Cambridge Rindge and Latin. They came the the United States from Chechnya in 2001.[/italic]
[quote]They came the the United States from Chechnya in 2001.
Larry Aaronson, a retired Cambridge Ringe & Latin social studies teacher, said Dzhokhar graduated last year.
“I will say to you, from the depth of my heart, he couldn’t have been sweeter,” he said. “He couldn’t have been more gracious, I knew him as nothing but a wonderful kid.”
Aaronson said Dzhokhar had lived in the war zone in Chechnya.
“I would talk to him about it and he would say, ‘Larry, you just adjust to it and I’m grateful to be here.’ He had such grace and everybody loved this kid. There was no anger or rage, or feeling like he was being bullied for being from Chechnya
He added: “This is so crazy, and it’s such a stupid thing to have done. It doesn’t make any sense. ... He couldn’t have been a more polite, you know, you couldn’t have been more polite. He couldn’t have been more precious. He couldn’t have been more appreciative of being here and going to school. There was nothing that would give any indication of this.”
From The Boston Herald:
The surviving bomb suspect is Dzhokhar A. Tsarnaev, a 19-year-old. His uncle, Ruslan Tsarni of Maryland, said Dzhokhar and the other suspect, who he said is named Tamerlan, are brothers who have been in the country since 2001.
Matt D. and Ben A. went to that same high school.
it's the city's public high school.
A man who described himself as a friend of the suspects, Ahdi Moro, 22, of Watertown, said he was “shocked.”
“I would never think anything like that of them,” Moro said. “They were good kids.”
He said Tamerlan was a Golden Gloves boxer who is now the father of a 2-year-old and Dzhokhar was an all-star wrestler.
“He was a really quiet kid,” Moro said. “He was very popular at school, like, the most popular kid at school. He was a really good-looking kid. He’s as American as anybody. He grew up here. He’s like a regular Cambridge kid.”
He described Tamerlan as big and tough, and remembered how, on the first day of school, he was “picked on” by three kids — and beat up all three.
“These kids grew up around violence,” Moro said. “They were always not scared of anything.
Academically elite public high school, r138.
Older brother had a kid???
Married AND had a daughter. Wonder where wife is.
I wonder if the guy is dead somewhere. It is hard to believe that he is running around town. His face is everywhere. Maybe someone is hiding him?
Their obnoxious aunt just had her 15 minutes of fame on CNN.
R121- on the same day of the Boston bombs 30 people were killed by blast in Iraq- many more injured. Thousands- over 100 thousand Iraqis have diet due the American invasion.
Our drones circle the skies of the Middle East and our aircraft carriers bristle off their shores.
On April 4th, a CIA armed and trained Afgani "militia" killed 37 civilian in an attack on a "Taliban stronghold", 14 of the dead were children.
You wonder why crazed offshoots of Muslim terror organizations get through to the US from time to time- or that radicalized American Muslims act from time to time?
How do you suppose Iraqis and Afganis feels about the carnage in their nations? I wonder how the city of Boston would feel (OP) if warships were in site of the coast and warbirds regularly were spotted overhead- ships and plane and drones that do more than hover and circle for time to time- like blow up your neightbors home. Do you suppose that perhaps a few Bostonians might not get a wee bit radicalize by such actions.
I am continually amazed that most Americans are naive to the endless war we have been engaged in in the Middle East, and the effect that such a presence has on common people who do not appreciate all the complexities.
Just imagine it in your own backyard as it exists in theirs'.
He's in danger, gurl!
Russian mob links, I'll bet.
We know the why, R147. Don't get all high and mighty. Unlike you, we don't think the explanation excuses the bombings. It is possible to deplore our actions in the Middle East and the actions of Middle Eastern terrorists.
Did the Datalounge cretins that insisted the bomber was the missing Brown University kid and ever come back to apologize with their tails between their legs?
Those pics of an empty downtown Boston are creepy. Probably hasn't been that empty since the 1700's.
I can't believe one little teenager emptied Boston. Central Park was filled on 9/11, and every restaurant on the UES was packed. You have to live your life.
This is a different situation than 9/11. We have an armed and dangerous person on the loose. He could kidnap someone and force them to shelter him - in fact he might have done that already - hence the door-to-door search. He could carjack someone or he could still set off more bombs. He has guns and more bombs. And he might just use them.
On 9/11, despite the fear, there was no real danger after the planes crashed into the buildings. We were worried that more could happen, but there wasn't a nutjob running loose in our neighborhoods.
r130, re. the Black Eyed Kids. I heard something about them on Coast-to-Coast, that creepy, middle of the night talk radio show about the paranormal, unexplained and just plain freaky phenomena. I saw the show on TV last night and couldn't watch - I don't need anything else to be afraid of. But yes, could someone please start a thread about Black Eyed Kids.
The father of the terrorists said he spoke to his oldest son after the bombing and the son told him they were safe and had not been near the incident. This was just reported on NPR.
[quote]Did the Datalounge cretins that insisted the bomber was the missing Brown University kid and ever come back to apologize with their tails between their legs?
Apologize to whom? And for what? On 9/11 the Mainstream Media reported for over an hour that Flight 93 crashed at Camp David. They later wrote it off to "the fog of war."
Wae had a "fog of war" episode on DL last night. So what? The wrong info was spreading all over the Internet, not just on DL. To whom should we apologize, R151, you?
Get a grip, OP. Its like a snow day, not a horror movie. You're not in danger. Enjoy having the day off from work.
[quote]If a bunch of Americans kept committing terrorists acts in another country, and I went to that country,
IF??????? We do it every single fucking day.
R157 = proudly ignorant cretin, and the reason why this country is fucked
I never said my explanation excuses the bombings R150. The bombings are horrible and the bombers should be brought to juctice. But I bet Kabul does not shut down after every drone attack. What I am saying is the action of the US in the last 10 years has led to exponential swelling of Islam terrorist organizations and offshoots all over the world and in our own country! Ask yourself how successful or to what purpose our conduct of those two wars were and have been. What is/was the goal? We should have nailed Osama early (Bush pulled the special forces out to invade Iraq), never invaded Iraq and never widened the Afgan war. So yeah, I think we have increased the threat of Islamic terror world wide, absolutely. Does not excuse what happened in Boston- but you have to admit, all the shaking people like the terrified OP should think twice about what people in countries were we have been waging spurious wars have to endure on a daily basis.
In my view, we are kind of like the Israelis- we are feeding the (fundemental terrorist) beast exactly what they want. And Americans couldn't give a rats ass about the lives of chidren in Afganistan killed by CIA (American) drones and special forces as "collateral" damage. It's routine. After all, they are Muslim- poor and on the other side of the world.
I am not proud of my ignorance. I want to be informed. I will readily admit to being misled last night but I was equally misled on 9/11 when they said Flight 93 crashed at Camp David. I was misled again when the MSM said Saddam had a vast arsenal of WMDs.
We had an intense discussion on DL last night as the drama played out in real time. Bad info got distributed across the Internet and DL was part of that. We didn't ORIGINATE the bad info. We accepted it because it seemed to be the correct set of facts at the time.
To whom do we owe an apology for following a story and discussing it amongst ourselves?
This country is fucked because of Wall Street and the Pentagon. Not because of little nobodies like me who follow the passing parade on the Internet and occasionally pipe in with our own opinions.
Almost as exciting as when the FBI cornered the members of the SLA who kidnapped Patty Hearst in the 70's and the shoot out and bombing of their safe house was televised.
Yes, I am old.
The dead brother, in addition to boxing, studied piano and acting.
I love how R163 is still trying to argue that spreading debunked rumors as if they were fact was just "following a story and discussing it."
And for someone that thought he did nothing wrong, he sure gets his panties in a wad repeatedly defending himself.
Islamists have been attacking the West long before we invaded Iraq. Ask Rushdie. We never should have invaded Iraq, but they'd find another excuse if we hadn't. The existence of Israel alone seems to be enough. The idea that we started this and they were just sitting around minding their own business is bullshit.
And R167 thinks the West's involvement in Islamic countries started with the Iraqi invasion?
You can lead a jackass to water, but you can't discuss world history with it.
R166, please explain to whom we are supposed to apologize.
Those of us who sat up all night following this story did so out of intense curiosity and a desire to know the truth. We believed in a false story that seemed credible until it was disproved. They weren't "debunked rumors" in the dead of night, right or wrong, they were the latest news at the time. It wasn't until nearly six in the morning that the Brown student's name was cleared by the FBI.
So what do you require? Do you want a pound of our flesh? You keep demanding an apology but you won't say WHO requires the apology and for what. It's not like we are still clinging to the wrong set of facts.
I can't help but wonder what sort of agenda you think we were trying to promote when all we were doing was following a tale using the info we had at hand.
R1 is idiot of the year
Notices on the highway home on the electronic billboards to be on the look out for a gray Honda with Mass. plates. Gave the license plate number. The first billboard said to look out for a [italic]green[/italic] Honda. Then the next one said gray. (I'm in the Hartford area.)
OK, this is getting boring. I stayed up last night following this well into the wee hours of the morning and was up again at 6 am.
I think the kid is dead.
Fine R168, lets take it back to the crusades. Whatever, I know what the outcome will be for you: everything is America's fault. happy now? you win. we deserve to be terrorized.
You know how people at parties avoid conversation with you? It isn't because they're intimidated by your intelligence, it's because they find you to be a pompous bore.
Stay with us R172!
No R173, it is not like that at all. We need to protect ourselves from terrorists- just not by invading countries. We did NOT win the Cold War with our weapons alone. In fact we won the cold war with out institutions and our culture and our economic freedoms and affluence. The wanted what we had. Short of attack and needed defense, our way of life is our best "weapon" against Fundementalist terror.
After all the West has essentially been trying to control the Middle East since the Royal Navy went from coal to oil... and the Americans became dominant in world oil markets after the 2nd World War. Mix in the Israeli side show and we have what we have.
Consider how ridiculous it all is. The CIA installed the Bathists and Sadaam H during the Carter administration. The CIA and the Pentegon armed the Taliban during the Afgani-Russian war in the 80s. And then 20 years later we are at war with the monsters that we created in order to maintain control of the oil we must have to provide for our voracious energy needs. And we garb our involvement in freedom and democracy (Bush, what an idiot) which any fool can see through pretty quickly (except George W Bush who was the biggest foolish head of state in West perhaps in the last 100 years.)
Yes we most certainly have had a role in digging the hole of Islamist terror- along with the UK.
Pays to know a bit about world history.
Now these kids from C. may or may not be terrorists. But it is young men like these all over the world who fall into the radcial Islamist recruitment meme that has a helluva a good case for a 100 plus years of Anglo- American abuse of Middle Eastern Muslim populations- big time. Terror is not a way to achieve things other than more terror- or rather violence begets violence. On the other hand a heck of a lot more violence has occurred in the Middle East at the hands of Anglo-American interests and military might than has occurred in either country by the hand of Islamic terror- yes going back to the beginning of the 20 Century over the commodity of oil. And as I have pointed out on other posts on this thread- violence we beget more than equals that of terrorists right now if you count the wars we have been conducting both overt and covert.
Yeah, and its complicated- lots of Islamic self destruction and violence as well. But I think you can get the big picture. We need to get our weapons of mass distruction OUT of the Middle East and minimize our dependence on foreign oil. International Islamist terror will dry up.
[quote]Islamists have been attacking the West long before we invaded Iraq. Ask Rushdie.
Your use of the word "Islamist" a. is quite telling; b. is an clear sign that you have nothing constructive to add to the conversation.
I wonder how much CNN is commanding for commercials these past few days? Superbowl prices?
Cambridge Rindge and Latin is not some kind of elite or exam school. It's the city high school.
Does anyone know if there were reports that Suspect #2 was injured? The Guardian says that CBS or one of the other networks is now referring to him as "missing" not "on the run." If the older brother sustained so many bullet injuries that the hospital couldn't count, I imagine that the younger one was also hit. I'm wondering if he ran off, didn't get far due to injuries and crawled somewhere and bled to death.
[quote]We need to get our weapons of mass distruction OUT of the Middle East and minimize our dependence on foreign oil. International Islamist terror will dry up
Bullshit. They'll find something else to justify it.
We. All. Know. That. R175. I can see you get off acting like the only informed person, but you're not telling us anything we don't already know.
[quote] But yes, could someone please start a thread about Black Eyed Kids.
No. We're not all retarded believers in the paranormal, which is the same as superstition and religion.
Go someplace else if you want to excite yourself with campfire stories. Those of us who live and work in the real world don't want to hear about the ways in which you make yourselves scared.
[quote] The mother of the two Chechnyan brothers suspected of setting off two bombs at the Boston Marathon was arrested last year for allegedly stealing $1,600 worth of clothes from an upscale department store. Zubeidat K. Tsarnaeva, 45, was charged with two counts of malicious/wanton damage and defacement to property after allegedly swiping the merchandise from a Lord & Taylor in Natick, Mass. in June 2012.
I told you. Chechens are gangsters. So are Georgians, Albanians and Osetians.
And Armenians, R183. Especially the Russian ones.
looks like the lockdown has been lifted
He could be climbin in yo window, snatchin all you people up, tryin to bomb them. You betta hide yo kids, hide yo wife and hide yo husband cuz they bombin everybody out here.
You don't have to come and confess what you did, cuz we lookin fo you now. We gone find you. So run and tell that, homeboy!
The father returned to Chechnya, the mom's shoplifting and the family has a Mercedes?
[quote]Gilberto Junior, 44, said that the man, who has been identified as Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, 19, appeared to be “very nervous.”
[quote]“He was biting his fingernails, and was shaky,” Junior said.
[quote]Tsarnaev had dropped of the car, which Junior described as a white Mercedes wagon, at the auto shop about two weeks earlier. It had rear bumper damage, and Tsarnaev had said it was his girlfriend’s. On Tuesday, when Tsarnaev suddenly returned, Junior told him the car wasn’t ready.
[quote]“I don’t care, I don’t care, I don’t care, I need the car right now,” Tsarnaev said, according to Junior.
[quote]The mechanic said Tsarnaev took the car without its rear bumper on.
[quote] The father returned to Chechnya, the mom's shoplifting and the family has a Mercedes?
The oldest son was 26 and had a kid. I'm guessing he had a job.
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Looks like he skipped outya Watertown. Latest report from a high-ranking police official is they think he's "still in Massachusetts."
I'm not sure what kind of a well-paying job a long-time community college student and amateur boxer could have. Heh, heh.
The brothers were fans of hip hop.
He had the money for a round trip to Russia.
Sounds like they shot the betch.
Mika Brzezinski is a fucking idiot. She was breathless this morning, sounding like an enthralled frau. Then she couldn't pronounce Sheremetyevo and identified it as a town as opposed to the name of the frigging international airport outside of Moscow.
They're not going to let him live, that's for sure.
Can you fathom how much this is costing?
I think they would want him to live to find out if they were part of a bigger group.
If they kill him, we'll never hear the end of the conspiracy theories. Please let them get him alive.
Don't worry, every small business will put their hand out for government money because of the business they supposedly lost today.
Latest report says they didn't rob a convenience store. They just stopped there to get gas.
What were they driving at the convenience store? What caused them to flee and carjack the Mercedes?
[quote]They're not going to let him live, that's for sure.
It turns out your are quite wrong.