The Official Justin Trudeau Negative Attack Ads Thread
Canadians know, but for the rest of Dlers.
This guy is the son of a former Prime Minister, and is now running for the top job.
At 41 he is like Canada's version of Obama. Hope.
Conservatives are launching a full scale attack ad blitz.
So this thread is to create an official tread of the non-stop attack ads that will be unleashed.
To avoid giving the CONS traffic, try not to link from their sites.
Link from YouTube or other non-partisan sites.
Here is the first attack ad.
US DLers, watch and comment as well!
Justin: Way over his head!
When's the last time Canada fielded a national politician who wasn't "Over his head." Oh, that's right, Justin's father.
This is what they are planning for Hillary Clinton.
Canadians are going to get a full dose of American style character assassination from now on. Conservatives are reconciled to being a minority party because their means of staying in power is to attack personally all leaders and potential leaders of the opposition. That's how the Republicans did it, and that's how Stephen Harper is organizing it.
Will Trudeau offer up anything similar against the Conservatives?
Trudeau can easily argue that Harper has never held a job outside of politics. Even though Harper has a Masters Degree of Economics, he's never been a practising economist.
What's dangerous for the Conservatives is that there is no obvious successor to Harper. If he were to quit as leader there would be a very divisive fight to succeed him. Flaherty? Too old, and not really likeable. McKay? Nice guy but kind of a douche and vulnerable to criticism for his use of Defense Department resources. Baird? Too partisan...and gay which may still turn off the right of the party.
It is going to take Trudeau more than one election cycle to get over on Harper.
It took Jack Layton 10 years and we were this close and then he died.
Trudeau is no Jack Layton either, but many people are just waiting for a viable alternative to Harper. Trudeau and the liberal party better be in it for the long haul this time together. Dance with the one that brought you. Six years, he's in charge.
Trudeau polls 43 percent the day he is elected leader.
Harper polls 30 percent the day Trudeau is elected Liberal leader.
Trudeau could go on vacation for 2 years then come back and STILL win by a landslide.
If Harper is smart, he will step down and save face now. Plus, all the bible thumping nutcases are breaking out of the Conservative basement Harper has been keeping them locked in since 2006, as we speak.
The economy and jobs have become so pathetic in Canada today, anyone with the name Trudeau, would win with a landslide.
The Cons big mistakes is they are blind to how bad things have become for all working and... the fast growing segment of long term unemployed Canadians, since 2006 (when Harper first got elected).
Coming up more attacks to hurt the Libs and Trudeau on Mon & Tues
Parliament will debate Justin's 'root causes' comment in regards to a new Terror Bill.
Attack ads launched against newly chosen Liberal leader Justin Trudeau by the Conservatives are widely seen as unfair by would-be voters, a new poll says.
In an EKOS Research Associates survey, 70 per cent found the ads “unfair” while 74 per cent said the ads were “unhelpful.”
Asked to describe the ads, 84 per cent said they were “negative.”
Approximately 1,828 English-speaking Canadians were interviewed for the poll from April 17 to 19.
“The ads have backfired on the Conservatives, at least in the short term,” said EKOS President Frank Graves. “Many, many people think this was just the wrong thing to do at this point.”
English-language ads questioning whether Trudeau has the experience or judgment to be prime minister began appearing on television and the Internet shortly after Trudeau was chosen Liberal leader on Sunday.
Liberals complained the ads took some of Trudeau’s comments out of context and depicted him stripping off his shirt on a stage without mentioning it was part of a charity fundraising event. But the Conservatives have defended the ads, noting they have been viewed by very large numbers of Canadians.
Asked about the impact of the Conservative campaign, 71 per cent of respondents in the poll said viewing an anti-Trudeau ad had not changed their impression of Trudeau. Of those who said the ads had changed their impression, more than half said they felt more positive about the Liberal leader.
When asked for a single word describing the ads, many said they were “disgusting,” “vicious” or “stupid.” Others said they were “amusing” or “typical.”
The poll found that, among those who voted Liberal in the 2011 election, 91 per cent said the anti-Trudeau ad campaign is unfair. Of those who voted for the Green party, 82 per cent said likewise. Among NDP voters, 79 per cent said the ads are unfair. Of those who voted Conservative in 2011, 36 per cent said the ads are unfair.
There are still sensible Canadians left.
Not for long R11. Repetition is the key to this game.
[quote]This is what they are planning for Hillary Clinton.
Oh yes, isn't it awful what those awful conservatives will do? I can' imagine anyone on this site adding to an "Ann Romney is a cunt" thread.
Trudeau stands no chance. The left is in shambles. It's going to split the vote again. Harper is the devil Canada knows. Trudeau is an entitled trust fund brat, who has no understanding of the common man. The left is still trying to find itself. It's still running on outdated ideas, and now it wants to put up a pretty faced Bozo, who puts his foot in his mouth at any given opportunity. Harper isn't going anywhere.
[quote]Will Trudeau offer up anything similar against the Conservatives?
There's that, and running on the same failed policies of the past.
Trudeau will have the easiest win in Canadian electoral history.
The Canadian economy is in shambles.
"Outdated" ideas? On the contrary, experience has shown that it is conservatism which is outdated and failed, and that traditional left policies have worked wherever the people had the balls to hold on to them.
Polls coming out of leadership campaigns are notoriously unreliable. Look at how Obama's approvals have dropped since his re-election.
Negative ads work, that's established.
Justin Trudeau talks like a social worker and has no track record.
It isn't impossible that he and the party can put forward a platform that captures peoples' imaginations but I think the Conservative machine has very effectively framed him. They did the same thing with Michael Ignatieff and he had credentials. They are very skilled at finding the weak spot and exploiting it such that whatever strengths the target has, the stain of the attack ad sticks.
I saw one of the ads and it's apparent to me they're really stitching together a nasty attack. The one I saw showed him at some event, doing some kind of strip tease. The clip of him plainly starts and stops in a way that distorts whatever he was really saying at the time.
Even so, they're effective at framing Trudeau as in over his head. I think it will be hard for him.
On the other hand, it's a long time til the election and who knows what events could overshadow the Conservatives, who I don't believe are liked by a majority of people. Their strength has been that the Liberal party was in total disarray when they started forming minority governments, then they saw off Ignatieff to form a majority. Nothing lasts forever. I am not sure it ends thanks to Justin Trudeau though.
R19 read R10
I don't dispute they are seen as unfair by voters. But they work, everybody knows it. The important polls come when they measure Trudeau's perception amongst voters in six weeks and six months and a year. The ads don't really make a case, they just plant a seed. "In over his head." That's the frame people will willingly or unwillingly recall as they watch Trudeau's performance in the role. I don't like the Conservatives any more than any other thinking Canadian. But they're good at politics and they're good at tactics and I wouldn't be surprised if this works.
What about the part that said that of those whose minds were changed by the ads, over half were inclined to view Trudeau more favorably?
[quote] But they work, everybody knows it.
What about the 1993 ad on Jean Chrétien about his face
Or the 1997 ad about Quebec by Reform
They actually lost votes.
I think the ads could ultimately backfire on the cons. It's the whole Sun News Network mentality, which turns off a lot of Canadians. Ultimately, I think a lot of voters would respond positively to Justin's personality and likability - two things which Harper doesn't have. I don't think it'll be easy for Justin to win, but he can certainly build a lot of credibility in two years, and I hope he does.
The infamous 1993 ad on Jean Chrétien about his face
So this negative ad worked R21 ?
How did that whole hopey changey thing work out for you Americans?
Speaking of the Sun News Network, is that thing still around? If so, there doesn't seem to be much buzz around it, and I doubt it's Canadians go-to news network. A partisan channel like that would have faired better with a Liberal government in power to lambaste.
Worked out a lot better than if Mitt or, God forbid, McPalin had gotten in R26.
2 Wrong, Hillary has huge experience and cannot be attacked for it, on the other hand of the GOP put up Rubio or Ryan the Dems could use the experience card against them.
25 - The 1993 election saw the Tories left with a total of MPs you could count on one hand, based on present polling 2015 will be a similar heavy defeat, if not as disastrous. You could also see huge splits within the party open up if they lose, Harper manged to hold together the moderate Progressive Conservatives and the more conservative Reform Party elements in the merged conservative party. If they elect a more conservative successor than Harper that will anger the PCs, some of whom could defect to the Liberals, if they elect a more moderate successor than Harper than will anger the conservatives in the party who could split off again and relaunce the Reform Party/Canadian Alliance!
Trudeau is now getting raked over the coals for his Boston Bombings/terrorism comments, finding the 'root cause.' It's all 'those poor bombers. They felt so alienated that they decided they had to take the lives of others.'
This guy is such a frigging dope.
No, R30 - you're the dope. There is a root cause that needs to be looked at. He's not diminishing what happened to the victims by saying so, either. Maybe educate yourself a bit. Then again, I suppose you think gun laws are frivolous, too.
Are Karl Rove and/or Frank Luntz doing the advising?
so Murdoch, Koch and company are the big conservative players in Canada too? how could 3 guys run the entirety of north America yet not be on the nightly news.
where are those 3 and what do they have to say for themselves? why don't journalist ask them?
What happened to the US Republican party will happen to the Canadian Conservative party. The difference is the Republicans can get rid of all their nutcases now, because they are out of office. Harper has to continue to work with the nutcases, who have been elected MPs.
Too many loons in the Conservative party today, to stay in power.
Here's a good article about how Trudeau should respond to the ads
[quote]What happened to the US Republican party will happen to the Canadian Conservative party. The difference is the Republicans can get rid of all their nutcases now, because they are out of office. Harper has to continue to work with the nutcases, who have been elected MPs.
ONE BIG, 'OH, DEAR.'
Trudeau needs to focus on the fact most Canadians are working paycheck to paycheck and drowning in debt, while American companies flee with all the profit from Canadas vast natural resources and Canadian banks replace jobs with worker from India.
This should be a 1 issue election.
[quote] What happened to the US Republican party will happen to the Canadian Conservative party.
That happened 20 years ago. CONS realized they need to unite as one to beat the Liberals.
A lot of these posts are saying the Canadian economy is a mess. I'm American and have always perceived Canada to be very economically strong and stable. Am I wrong?
R40 we have high unemployment, massive debt AND deficit, jobs are being out-sourced and the government is bringing in foreign workers and paying them 15% less than Canadians.
All G7 economies are a mess. Every Western owned company, from Canada and the USA to England and Germany is outsourcing as many jobs as possible and these countries are filling their store with Made in China dollar crap.
All G7 governments are letting the worlds Corporations walk all over their people and it has got to stop in all G7 countries.
Canada is not much better than the USA on jobs. Stop reading right wing propaganda like the Globe and Mail or CTV which is basically the Canadian Conservative parties press office.
Even some Chinese jobs are being outsourced to the likes of Latin America
The banks in Canada are replacing their IT departments with immigrants from India.
So much for that Computer Science degree you were told, would be your key to future job security.
Round 1: Kid Trudeau stings like a pillow
Debuts for party leaders are obviously significant. Given the buildup for Justin Trudeau, his was doubly important. It didn’t go well.
Mr. Trudeau’s week started with his speech to the Liberal convention where he was crowned leader. It was chock full of pieties and pablum.
The next day, he made his first appearance in the House of Commons as Liberal Leader. His line of questioning was passable but paled by comparison with the cut and thrust of NDP Leader Thomas Mulcair, who’s capable of outgunning anyone in the chamber.
At the same time, the Conservatives released their tawdry and duplicitous television spots impugning Mr. Trudeau’s character. The Liberal Leader responded by turning the other cheek. His strategy is not to stoop to Stephen Harper’s level. Other leaders have tried that strategy, but it hasn’t worked.
Next came the Boston bombings. Mr. Trudeau quickly got himself into trouble by saying the response should be to look for root causes. A week on, it might have been okay to say that. But in the bombings’ immediate aftermath, it was ill-timed, and Mr. Harper pounced. The PM was unrestrained by the fact that his own Conservatives have an ongoing multimillion-dollar program to, ah, study the root causes of terrorism.
At week’s end, the Trudeau strategists made a smart move. They asked the House to vote to amend rules so party whips couldn’t block MPs from making statements of their choice in the run-up to Question Period. Mr. Harper is facing a mini-rebellion from his own MPs for denying them this right. The Trudeau gambit served to highlight the gagging and censorship issue.
But the setting of that potential trap didn’t compensate for the stumbles. Kid Trudeau floated like a butterfly, stung like a pillow. His strategists have no counterattack ads in the can, but they say that Mr. Harper has overreached, that Canadians are fed up with his dirt machine and that they have a plan to embarrass him. “We are not Boy Scouts,” one adviser said yesterday. “There are effective ways to deal with this kind of sleaze. Stay tuned.”
Voters will, but, meantime, the ads are reaching millions of TV screens. Potentially damaging is the one in which Mr. Trudeau says, “Quebecers are better than the rest of Canada.” This was a remark he made in referencing his father, who had once made such a point in the context of putting down separatists. Pierre Trudeau was saying Quebeckers were already in an advantageous position in the federation and didn’t need special favours from the rest of the country.
The level of deceit in the ad shows again how low the Conservatives are prepared to go. Some try to excuse this stuff by saying, “Oh well, politics is a blood sport and this type of thing has happened before.” Calling it a blood sport is nothing but a lame rationale for perpetuating low-grade political standards. As for it happening before, not with this frequency, unless you go back to the 19th century.
Ben Carr, a Winnipeg teacher and Liberal activist, finds it curious that the Conservatives engage in character attacks and bullying while, in schools across the country, anti-bullying campaigns encouraged by these same Conservatives are afoot. Never has there been such an outcry against this kind of thing.
The government’s conduct, writes Mr. Carr, “sends the message to our kids that it is okay to use verbal assaults against your opponents to diminish or discredit them.” The man behind the attacks, of course, is the Prime Minister, the fellow who’s supposed to be a role model for the country.
He may well be going too far this time, as strategists say, and giving the Liberals an opportunity for effective retaliation. But, if so, it wasn’t apparent in their new leader’s first week. Kid Trudeau nearly went down without even swinging.
You are quoting the Globe and Mail, which is the Conservative Party of Canadas propaganda division - like FoxNews is to the US Republican party.
You need a new, non affiliated and credible source R45.
r46, where exactly do you find that?
So does anyone have any idea what Justin's vision for Canada is? I agree with those who see him as a self-entitled brat who enjoys celebrity much more than actually doing something. It's a feeling I get from him. He takes after his mother more than he does his father ... he should be an actor, not a politician.
Right now the CONS will be flooding riding's across Canada with flyers of their negative ads.
And guest what? As tax payers we are paying for those flyers.
Conservatives are in panic mode!
They're terrified of Trudeau not only because of who he is but because of the big brained movers and shakers that surround him.
The fiscal conservatives are fed up with the Southern Ontario and BC Fraser Valley MPs whose primary focus is social issues- abortion,gay marriage, 'god's law before state law' dominionists - the usual busybodies- and they're quietly sidling up to Trudeau and the Liberals just like they did with Paul Martin when Preston Manning and the Bible Thumpers took control of their party decades ago.
There is no love lost between the fiscal conservatives (urban) and the social conservatives (rural) in the conservative party.
When Brian Mulroney sidled into Trudeau's camp Harper's band of dim bulbs were really rocked back on their heels.
(Not that I think an endorsement by Mulroney translates into a plus- we'll see.)
We as Canadian tax payers are paying for those CONS flyers!
The Conservative Party is most definitely in panic mode.
They know the economy is and has been bad for a while now and they know it is getting worse.
Justin Trudeau could not just take the majority, but, in this terrible economic climate, Trudeau could actually knock the Conservatives down to 3rd place, maybe even threaten their party status (less than 12 seats).
R52 CONS would never lose party status. that is not going to happen. Alberta has a block of seats, and the majority of those seats would NEVER vote for Liberals.
You are thinking in the wrong direction R53.
Wild Rose can split the vote, particularly when the Liberals encourage it on the ground..... unofficially of course.
This is the Liberal Party strategy for Alberta. Not running against the Cons, but promoting the extreme right wing.... unofficially of course.
The real problem with the Liberal Party is it is still stacked with old dogs who are still thinking the old way, which does not work anymore. Justin Trudeau is just a cosmetic front as is the "new back to the people" fundraising drive. It is all theatre to put the same old Liberal ideology back into power, which believe me, I would prefer FAR MORE than the current Bush/Cheney clones we have now.
The worse case scenario is this same old, split the difference Liberals, get in with a 2015 minority. Then, the Cons are back in again by 2017.
The problem with the Liberals is I don't know what they have stand for anymore. Like the Labour Party in England and the Democrats in the US, since Reagan-Thatcher-Mulroney, they caved in to the the right-wing and became more like them, instead of fighting them.
Trudeau is presenting a more likeable, postive face than Harper., but does it really mean anything? What will he do that will be different from Harper? What has he said that is concrete, that is an obvious difference in economic policy? We all hope he will be different, but will he/the Liberal Party be?
I see Harper winning the again, perhaps even in 2015. The same regional splits are still there which have put Harper in power by default.
Conservatives vs Conservatives Lite! I'll get the popcorn.
That said, the Liberals are the lesser of the two evils.
CONS are not in panic mode. I'm telling you, Justin has no chance. This is a different Canada. The Left is over. It's going to take at least a decade for them to get their shit together. They split the vote, and so many Canadians simply don't vote. I don't like Truedau. I think he's a bimbo who just enjoys celebrity. That being said, if he stood a chance, I'd say it. He is truly the poster boy of what is wrote with the liberal establishment. They are running on sex appeal, nothing more. He puts his foot in his mouth every time he opens it. Harper is the devil we know. That's enough for voters. They are not comfortable with Justin.
Oh, and yes, CONS are running touting those ads on the tax payer's dime. What else is new?
The Neocons from the US have hightailed it to America. They are masters at propaganda. Welcome to 2000s' America.
About money going to Truedea, the Right has more money than he could ever get his hands on. The money is secretly coming in by the truckloads from countries like the US. This is why Justin takes so long to put response ads together. They don't have the money to be wasting on such measures. Again, the Right is also using tax money. There's more bank for them. Harper is a scumbag, and knows how to win better than anyone. It doesn't matter if he wins by a small majority. He wins. That's good enough for him. So many swore he didn't stand a chance because he went Rightwards on too many issues, issues you're not suppose to touch. He's touched them, BIG TIME, and he's still managed to win. Canada just has too many CONS, and the left has too many dumbasses.
[quote]Wild Rose can split the vote,
Wild Rose is a provincial party. They don't run federally.
[quote]The real problem with the Liberal Party is it is still stacked with old dogs who are still thinking the old way
[quote]The problem with the Liberals is I don't know what they have stand for anymore.
[quote]Like the Labour Party in England
Blair was Neo-Liberal.
[quote]and the Democrats in the US, since Reagan
No. Reagan Democrats are dying off. It's Obama Democrats now. There's also Obama Republicans, as they're labeled. Reagan Democrats are now full-blown Republicans. They left the Dem Party. The Right keeps losing because of their Reagan, far-Right ideas, and are talking about if they want to win, they have to become more liberal. Needless to say, the party's talking heads are outraged by the very idea.
So today in the US, if Republicans want to win, they have to run more liberal. In the 80s and 90s, if you were a Dem, you had to shift to the Right. What happened to Dems, is now what's happening to Repugs.
I'm surprised Canadian banks even have I.T. departments. They were very slow to jump on the I.T. bandwagon.
The solution in Canada as in the U.S. is going to be for progressives to take over the conservative party from within. They have few votes, they are vulnerable, and the public who votes for them has zero empathy with their real agenda of 1% rule and military adventures.
You can't be serious about this douche.
It's like the U.S. running Ryan Lochte for president.
Just a small reminder for r61 about how those "far-right ideas" of Reagan played out in his re-election (when everyone knew EXACTLY who he was)
r64 calls Justin Trudeau a douche, but says nothing about Harper. Says a lot about r64. The Cons ARE scared. The Canadian public LIKES Justin and they KNOW him. The attacks against him almost feel like attacks against a family member.
The Cons are scared because they know there is going to be a witch hunt after the massive Liberal victory. It is not enough to just take these ex-Reformers out of Ottawa, they need to be taken out of Canada entirely.
r66, just because one is anti-Harper doesn't mean that one is automatically pro-Justin. I do not like Harper, but I have been disappointed by the weakness of the liberal party, the blurry dreariness of the NDP and I can't even take the ridiculous Green seriously. The conservatives have been the only viable party to realistically vote for in the past decade. The Liberals are banking on Trudeaumania to help them back on top again, but Justin is a pin-up boy. He smiles and liberals are supposed to feel hope. It's Obama fever all over again.
I want nothing more for the liberal party back in power, but Justin is not instilling any confidence in me. It's not WHO they put out there, it's WHAT they do that ultimately means anything.
R64, have you ever seen his speeches? I have. Do you know what he stands for? I do. I'm not saying he's perfect, by all means. I don't agree with his stance on Quebec, for example. And he isn't the best at fiscal policies. But I still believe he's a million times better than the cons. At least he respect all religions, cultures and sexualities (unlike Harper's cons who are against gay marriage). He's talking about hope and change, and that's exactly what is needed in Canada right now, especially after all those years under Harper's reign. Unemployment has never been higher, natural resources are sold to the highest bidder (I.E. China), and the jobs are outsourced to the third world. Canada has never seen this many people living paycheck to paycheck. Something isn't quite right with this picture. In one year he managed to waste a budget surplus, and within two years even the balance was gone. Great fiscal policies there! LMAO. No, imo Justin can't be much worse even when it comes to the budget. And he's a lot more gay friendly, he's on our side. He fights for ALL Canadians. He even spoke about different sexualities in his speech as the new liberal leader. When is the last time Harper did that? Exactly. Like I said, Justin might not be perfect, and there's certainly things I disagree with. But he really is the best option Canada has today, and a million times better than the con alternative.
"The conservatives have been the only viable party to realistically vote for in the past decade"
It sounds like you were a part of the 37% that voted for the Cons.
No mentally healthy gay person would ever vote for the Canadian Conservative party. So....understand what "type" you are dealing with regarding certain posts here.
[quote]Just a small reminder for [R61] about how those "far-right ideas" of Reagan played out in his re-election (when everyone knew EXACTLY who he was)
What on Earth is your point? Those far-Right ideas don't work today. They won't get you elected anymore. You obviously have a comprehension problem. Your little map doesn't disprove anything I said.
[quote] The real problem with the Liberal Party is it is still stacked with old dogs who are still thinking the old way
Trudeau is actually in the process of purging the entire party of the old guard and bringing in new fresh blood.
"Those far-Right ideas don't work today"
Harper fakes left and plays right. It is conservatism by stealth. Harper has become so good at it, the US Republican party is sending members up north, to learn how.
The end result, if done properly, is a right wing, Corporate ruled country, full of citizens who think it isn't right wing at all. It is a terrifyingly effective control tactic.
One hopes that Canadians are smart enough to see through it, but, the current crop of Canadians and increasingly naturalized Canadians, is a very different bunch, than any Canadians of the past.
This whole Terror thing plays right into the CONS hands.
Their 'tough on crime' agenda is not by accident. The ethnic vote makes up the majority of voters in Canada. Long the domination of Liberals, the CONS have tapped into this market by being 'tough on crime'. Which through focus groups is the number one issue of immigrants and the ethnic community. Having come from countries where crime is rampant, and government corrupt, the 'tough on crime' and 'safe streets' programs appeal to them. And to the CONS base.
The CONS have now found their wedge issue with Justin Trudeau and will use it from now to election day.
That Trudeau is soft on crime and terrorists, and is an elitist who looks for excuses instead of results.
That is the narrative the CONS will use from now until they can get rid of Trudeau.
Plays right into their base and the immigrant and ethnic vote.
R54 read R60
after ten years of 'splitting the vote' CONS are happy to see Libs & NDP split the progressive vote.
Which is what happened in 2011, and how they got their majority.
CONS will never lose party status, as long as they have Alberta.
The Wild Rose party, if promoted properly, can split the right wing vote in Alberta, giving the Liberals most of the seats. Not that it makes any difference, because Alberta has very few seats to give.
The 2015 election will be determined in Quebec first and Ontario second. 2015 is all about where that BLOQ vote will move now. The NDP won't get it again, because that was a Jack Layton vote.
Too bad people don't know, R75, that crime isn't as bad a problem as the Cons would have you believe. Is it a problem - yes, but it's not enough of a problem to, for example, sink money into building more prisons. Also, who perpetuates a lot of the crime? Our province has a lot of immigration at the moment, and a lot of the crime being committed is by immigrants.
The Conservatives have definitely become Canada's immigrant party, appealing to their homophobia as well.
The Liberals and NDP should find a way to expose this.