Saudi student is the prime suspect now. They raided their apartment.
No, R6. No, he's not.
R6 gets all of his news from Fox and the NY Post.
Guy who hates "the running community" taking over streets in his neighborhood.
We look forward to the day you stop being a worthless cunt, R6
An American Country Music fan. (like there are any other kinds).
Ha, ha! At least 80% of you were wrong!
A Boston news station reported that both are legal citizens from Turkey.
AP has reported that the suspects from Chechnya Russia but have been in this country for a year.
They are reportedly foreign, may have military experience, more than one country has been floated.
They do seem to foreign.
The living suspect is 19 year old Dzhokar Tsarnaev.
Poor "they were from the Tea Party!!! You're racist!!" troll has killed himself.
Now that they are known foreign, CNN has officially deemed them, Terrorists.
[quote]Now that they are known foreign, CNN has officially deemed them, Terrorists.
Oh, look, it's the butthurt "It's the Tea Party, you fucking racist!!!" twat. They were called terrorist two days ago, dumb fuck.
Most of you were wrong. They are Moslem Terrorist brothers. Possibly from a terrorist cell here in the US from Chechnya.
This is something we're not familiar with, so we can all be forgiven for drawing on our knowledge of past crimes involving redneck douches or Arabic douches. Chechnyan Turks? This represents an entirely new form of douchedom.
Russian. I would have guessed homegrown too.
[qjuote]Now that they are known foreign, CNN has officially deemed them, Terrorists.... Oh, look, it's the butthurt "It's the Tea Party, you fucking racist!!!" twat. They were called terrorist two days ago, dumb fuck.
What are you babbling about? Yesterday, I was watching TV and I heard a reporter say 'we don't know if they are Terrorists, and just this moring both CNN and ABC they say "the supects are described as Terrorists. The press don't want to label domestics as Terrorists.
73% wrong...just like everything else in life!!!
They were here for ten years. Domestic terrorists.
Funny how "Foreign nutjob who is a naturalized or longterm US resident" has only got 15% and, as of writing (when it's been known who the perpatrators are for a while), 73% are still going for homegrown nutjob. Sorry, they ain't Tea Partiers.
LOL! Some people are still voting now that his ID is known, so "Domestic Terrorist" has gone from over 80% (when I bumped it this morning)down to 72%!
Yes, it's actually a relief this isn't another Timothy McOklahoma. It's difficult enough to understand any person doing something like this, yet a home grown is most perplexing.
Please don't let them be WHITE, Please don't let them be WHITE, Please don't let them be ...
There were here for one year from Chechnya. Brothers 19 and 20.
I find it interesting that people are so quick to disown this kid (the younger brother). He was one of ours - get used to it. Went to high school here, worked at Harvard. His friend on CNN was completely freaking - the kid appeared 'normal'. It was the older brother that was alienated and never integrated into US life - didnt understand Americans. But the younger brother seemed very integrated. This is not black and white - it was domestic AND international. They're white AND people of color (depending on your POV).
Defies easy categorization.
As somebody sais on Gawker, "White but not American so everybody wins!"
Really, r38? So, what were the younger brother's motives then? That he loved America so much, was a completely normal kid who was well integrated into American society?
Those who wanted the perpetrators to be "white" wanted them to be right-wing Christian fundamentalist Tea Party nutjobs. It's quite clear what "white" means in this case (European descent, right-wing, Christian, not Muslim). Stop trying to be all "nuanced" about what is a case where it's very clear that the motives were about seeing the world in a simplistic, black-and-white way.
They keep changing the background. Now they say the brothers have been here for five years, not one.
Tamerlan Tsarnaev described himself as "very religious," and said he did not drink or smoke.
Blood is thicker than water.
Maybe, R43, but you still get run over.
Its not clear. I do not think its politically motivated, nor religiously motivated. This has to do with the older brothers mental state. YOU are the lazy one. It IS nuanced. If you want easy cookie-cutter, corporate media fed explanations then go right ahead - but you arent going to et the understanding you need to even begin to address this shit - so buckle in for more of the same.
So, r36, are you saying that there are no white Chechen Muslims? Or just no white Muslims?
The older one is a psychopath and he roped the younger one into his twisted world.
He has psychopath eyes. Seriously. Like a shark.
I'm saying, r46, that those who were hoping the perpetrators would be "white" specifically meant European-origin American, Christian fundamentalist right-wingers.
The younger brothers involvement represents tensions in the family re integrating vs keeping to 'the old ways'. The older brother had some stricter beliefs - didnt smoke or drink (I never said he wasnt religious, just that it wasnt primarily religiously motivated). The younger brother had moved away from that. The uncle reports family problems. I think some kind of internal struggle played out in the family - the younger brother got involved out of 'love' for his brother. I think they'll find the younger one was really torn between two different ways of life. This became some weird test of loyalty to his older brother. This wouldnt have happened if not for the older brothers issues and inability to transition into life here. They were not supported by an outside group - they had no money and no plan to get away - they're robbing people for crying out loud.
This is very sad for everyone involved.
My hunch is the younger brother fully agreed with whatever his older brother believed.
I hope they get this guy alive because I want to know why they did it, not just thrown in with AQueda because they aren't alive to say otherwise.
[quote]How "white" is Chechen Muslim, [R34]?
This idiocy boggles the mind.
They're from the very region from which the name of the white race derives. The word "Muslim" has nothing to do with race. And if you're conflating "Muslim" with "Arab" (like a lot of stupid people do), you're still off: they're white, too.
Does Muslim + terrorist act = Islamic Terrorism?
he seems more like Adam Lanza - a fucked up young kid
If the terrorists were Chechen rebels, Hilary Swank might be willing to sing their praises...for a nominal fee of course!
OMG, they turned out to be Muslims! How dare the facts be so prejudiced!
R48 you're beginning to sound insane. These guys are white. Stop trying to now parse the definition of white to now only be christian fundamentalist. The younger guy went through the American school system. According to friends, he was normal. He was a wrestler. He went to the prom.
Stop trying to change the definition of white because you're now uncomfortable because someone like you is a terrorist.
So, a tragic pattern is emerging, but I tend to think more of anomie, Adam Lanza, and James Holmes than international terrorism (I also can't help seeing a continuum between their acts and the forms of terror that we export in the form of drone strikes).
They are white.
They are not even Arab, who can also considered white.
During newscasts I've heard the terms "sleeper cell" and "they had a plan." These guys don't seem to have had much of a plan. They should have been out of town already or have set up someplace they could lie low for a long time.
Well, technically, "white" is neither a race nor a nationality. It's a physical description of someone. Ergo, if someone is a tanned or dark-skinned Arab, he can't be called white.
r59 wow looks like he was making a statement about the USAs laxed gun control.
Just WHAT do some of you morons think the root word of Caucasian is, hmmmmm?
I am rakin in the bucks. I had four bets the terrorist were white and I was right. Cha-ching! I gotta collect my $1800.00.
r63 Please tell that to college admission forms, and census forms, and DMV licensing forms, that do indeed call Arabs white.
Why are some of you so wound up about race?
This isn't about race.
It is probably about religion.
r67 I'm not disputing that Arabs or Indians are Caucasians anthropologically I said some of them are not "white." Clearly neither Bobby Jindal nor Osama Bin Laden are/was white.
Again, r69, tell it to the little ticky box on the forms, which would indeed have considered Osama Bin Laden "white." Not Caucasian, but white.
White = EVIL.
They aren't white, r71.
How east it is to get a fucking GREEN CARD???
So, what you're saying r58, is that these were normal American guys, especially the younger one. Whatever motivated them has nothing to do with race or ethnicity or nationality, whatever inspired them has nothing to do with a torrid situation thousands of miles away where ethnic/religious group is battling ethnic/religious group.
And, if these guys are white, what is the opposite or alternative to white? Black?
I blame Hidden Valley Ranch. Who the fuck knows what's 'hidden' there?
Russia warned us that there would be "white" muslims coming and that they would bring terror.
This is a muslim attack on the US. And for those of you who say that they had no financial backing, they surely had some encouragement.
R76 - when did Russia warn us of this?
One thing is for sure. They WERE NOT Black. So get off your high horse people. Quit saying they were of color. They were NOT. Bunch of racists.
Chechnyans are Muslims. They fit the profile.
No one's saying they were "of color", r78, which I doubt is a phrase non-white people who are not of sub-Saharan African origin would ever use for themselves anyway.
Some are, however, trying to turn these guys into "homegrown" terrorists, when they were clearly not.
The upcoming marathon in London is going to get a lot of attention from law enforcement people.
What do we know about this third suspect? Is he Russian?
Russia warned us about white-appearing muslim terrorists coming to the US right after the Chechen bombings of two Russian airliners. These suicide bombers were both young women who wore bra bombs. Both airliners, which were full of passengers, blew up over the ocean.
Russia knows what terror is ready to happen and we should have listened to them.
But we have ball-ess 'leadership' in this country. We should have right then, in 2000 or so when this happened, put a ban on immigrants from Chechnya.
Russia warned us and we didn't listen or "forgot."
Yes, they are, R72
White = Irish, English, Canadian, Scottish, French, Greek, Roman, German, Dutch, Muslim, Iraqy, Iranian, Mexican, Brazilian, Central American, South American, etc. All the bombers are these guys.
Black = African, some Cubans, some Puerto Ricans. Mostly peaceful people.
Take that as you will.
Uncle on MSNBC now...
R85 Congratulations! In the 20+ years I have surfed the internet, yours is the stupidest comment I have ever read. A new low (even for DL). You are a sad, pathetic individual.
Leave it to DL to define 'white'
R87 proves to be the sad and pathetic one. There has been far worse posted and you decide to go after this particular bit of nothing?
The uncle is wild, in a good way.
Don't forget there has been substantial misinformation already. First they said they had foreign military training (the kid, for sure, does not). Then they said they came to this country to kill people, when the kid studied at Cambridge Rindge and Latin and was attending college at UMass Amherst. The older brother was a champion boxer. So I have to say I think this qualifies as domestic terrorism.
They also were not from Chechnya.
Their father lives in Russia.
R92, they are NOT domestic, they are foreign born!
R83 Okay airline bombings were in 2004 and then Russia warned of Chechen terrorists so America should have banned Chechen people in 2000, 4 years earlier. And this prediction was correct because boom 9 years later this happens? Usually I'm not keen on conspiracy theories, irrational paranoia or sweeping generalisations but it's hard not to like something that includes fortune telling and time travel.
Oddly enough Chechen seperatists who's issues are with Russia would gain very little by focusing on terorism in the United States (which by the way has a Chechen population of less than 400). Read a little bit about Chechnya, missing/murdered russian journalists etc and you'll see why Russia might have a little vested interest in making vague warnings about them that may be politically motivated rather than based on a real threat.
I was off by a few years. After the plane attacks, Russia warned us. Do you not remember the school killings done by Chechen muslims?
Muslims are the most hated group in Russia and they are not tolerated because of repeated, bloody attacks on children and adults.
The attacks have stopped in Russia because the word is out that it will not be tolerated. They take care of business, don't care for anyone but orthodox christians, and don't feel a responsibility to take in and tolerate non-Russian cultures.
And they have access to the largest oil reserves in the Caspian Sea.
They were radicalized. By whom? The younger brother even tweeted after the bombings! Some of his friends didn't even know he had an older brother.
R97 do you really think that's his twitter account?
In Chechnya if a woman dared to go out in public wearing shorts she would be killed, so this may be why these losers picked the marathon to bomb. It offended their poor little dark age souls.
Why the hell are people still voting now that we know the outcome?
R97, yes, it was confirmed by his friends.
Originally from Chechnya, the family came to U.S. a number of years ago. Father has moved from US to Russia.
Mother arrested for shoplifting $1,600 from Lord & Taylor. Dead brother arrested for assaulting girlfriend. Looks like they had adjustment problems.
Maybe the Russians paid them for a False Flag op so we will share our security technology with them before the Olympics at Sochi next winter.
[quote]How east it is to get a fucking GREEN CARD???
As easy as it is to get the left to grant amnesty to illegals.
[quote]Mother arrested for shoplifting $1,600 from Lord & Taylor. Dead brother arrested for assaulting girlfriend. Looks like they had adjustment problems.
Obviously, it has nothing to do with a policy change towards Chechnya in 2009, changing the regime there and pulling out the bulk of its army. Russia is not the country you clearly think it is and I don't think any of it's approach to Chechnya (while succesful for their political aims), muslims etc is worth emulating. Before they had communism they controlled people using religion, the longer communism has been absent the more religious the country has become again or more accurately the more the government has alligned itself with and pushed religion. Its social control under an increasingly repressive regime.
I'm no expert on this though so I'm not going to continue to debate it. A last point though this is actually only the second succesful terrorist attack on the USA by people with islamic origins(I may be wrong, maybe I'm forgetting one) in over a decade. There are 2.5 million muslims living in America and both attacks so far have been committed by individuals who were not born in America. So really despite the fact 2.5 million muslims actually live in the country peacefully and never engage in terrorism, you think it's a good idea to copy Russian opression in the supposed land of liberty? Aren't you sort of losing if the fear of terrorism comes at the cost of one of the core American principles?
Our generosity and open-heartedness is viewed as weakness by many foreigners.
Have you ever tried smiling at immigrants from Russia, or Iran, or the middle east?
They only frown at you and shoot you the evil eye. They seem to think that American-style friendliness and congeniality is strange, weak, and suspect.
That is their mentality. It's dog-eat-dog in many countries--don't project your own hopefullness for any sweet embraces from these types.
[quote]Originally from Chechnya, the family came to U.S. a number of years ago. Father has moved from US to Russia.
I read he moved back for health reasons. What kind of treatment can he get in Russia than he can't get in the US? Are we to surmise that they have better healtcare in Russia? Or maybe just cheaper healthcare.
What a fucking dog, and she looks batshit as well.
Well, there you have it.
Nobody knows where they are really from.
They are stateless flotsam.